So finally, after about 5-6 months of nonstop hard work, trying over and over again to get out of my body, I tried the phasing exercise ..
AND IT WORKS!
It was so easy, I didn't think that the one thing I've been missing all of this time was just.. letting it happen, and noticing.
Last night, I laid down and just listened to the humming of the humidifier. I noticed my body relaxing, and I noticed the random blots behind my eyes. I didn't use any techniques. I just let myself keep getting deeper and deeper into trance until I felt a 'buzz' around my body, at which point I moved my area of awareness from my eye view to right infront of me. As soon as I moved my awareness, I was out and I could see part of another dimension. It scared the bejeezus out of me! I saw a little kid sitting in a chair-thing, right infront of me looking at me. I looked around and realized the setting was theme-park related.. only, creepier. I started moving into that plane very quickly, and scared myself, forcing myself back to this reality.
What an amazing experience! And so easy too. Just wanted to share :)
Let's see how tonight goes..
good job, keeping awareness really is the hardest part of it all :-D
Thanks!
It's so difficult when you try to 'leave' your body, I've only had about 3 OBE's, but phasing seems soo much easier..
Is there a way to get from the Astral realms to the RTZ?
why would you want to phase into f1oC if you have the ability to phase into f3oC o.O
I haven't actually done this yet. This is just how I think it would be done based on what Frank has said.
It would depend on what focus level you're in. From F2oC, stop fueling the scene by cutting off your emotions and by not focusing on anything in the scene, and you should shift into the 3D Blackness at Fz. From there, you would focus on where or what you want to do.
From F3oC, I have some ideas for how it could be done, but I don't know how effective they would be. My first idea: release a lot of emotions, and cause an F3/F2 overlay that shifts you into F2, then do the above. My second idea: Focus on the 3D Blackness and shift into it, then place your intent.
Anyway, here is a good post on this: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/how_can_i_leave_foc_2-t18538.0.html;msg160373#msg160373
Congratulations!
That sounds exactly like my experience the first time i got out. I just let go and I was out.
I find it an easier concept to grasp than classical OBE methods.
Congratulations, Missym! :)
~Ryan
I'm going to admit I don't know the differences between F1oc, F2oc or F3oc, or basically any of the terms used with phasing.. sort of a n00b to this lol :wink: I will check out the link you sent me though 35 (your username is too long)
I think the key here was really not trying.. just letting it happen.
Even before when I thought I was not trying, I was inadvertently trying :-D
QuoteFOCUS 1:
So we all know Focus 1 of consciousness. It is the physical. Focus 1 incorporates what I call the Wider Physical. This would include the region some call the real-time-zone or RTZ. Personally, I dislike using the term real-time-zone as there is no such thing as "real" time and it is not a "zone". But, then again, I look at this with a scientific air and, in science, you have to be congruent as to the terms you use and get your definitions in order.
To be honest, I can't see the point of projecting into the RTZ (or the Wider Physical). Apart from the novelty value, there isn't much you can do and it would appear a LOT of effort for very little return. Because of that we will start with Focus 2 of consciousness.
QuoteFOCUS 2
Focus 2 of consciousness is what is commonly known by psychologists, as your "sub conscious" but there is nothing "sub" about it. Focus 2 is where most people do their dreaming, lucid dreaming, their "astral projecting", their meeting up with all manner of demons and devils, etc. Focus 2 of consciousness contains all manner of personal faculties such as your memory and your imagination. Without Focus 2 of consciousness we simply wouldn't be able to think rationally or create anything within the physical. It holds all our belief constructs that we happen to subscribe to. And it is this latter point that is rather interesting. You can actually project within Focus 2 of consciousness and objectively view representations of your very own belief constructs that you hold. However, taking on board the fact that people typically think that this area of consciousness (to them the Astral) is a separate place, the Astral will actually become whatever you believe it is! This simple fact, unbelievably, has been the source of thousands of years of confusion as regards the wider reality.
The problem has been simply that mystics have always thought they were projecting to some place outside of themselves. Yet what you are actually viewing, within Focus 2 of consciousness, are the objective representations of your very own belief constructs. So if you actually believe the Astral is packed full of demons and devils... then demons and devils you shall perceive. Because what you are actually viewing are the objective representations of your own beliefs. People have the idea that "the Astral" is a weird and magical place where you get all manner of Alice in Wonderland effects such as your thoughts coming to life. Many mystics just accept this as a given and lead people into thinking they could possibly meet up with all manner of doom, gloom and danger.
But do these people ever stop to think, even for a moment WHY their thoughts come to life? WHY there is such a thing as an Alice in Wonderland effect?
It is only when you look at the situation from the point of view of a scientist trying to objectively make sense of it all that you realise the simple reason of why this effect comes about. For almost 5 years I battled with this question. I fought all manner of demons and devils and slayed dragons galore. Then, one day, the penny dropped. I realised that thought equals action. That was it! I was in a place where thought equals action. I remember the time distinctly even to this day around 18 years later. But it was only much later when I realised precisely WHY thoughts equalled action in this weird and wonderful kind of place called the Astral... WHY did thought equal action? Simple! It was because I was projecting into my own mind. In other words, I was offering myself the objective knowing of my very own internal subjective actions!
This simple realisation led me on an amazing voyage of discovery through my very own mind. It was truly fascinating as I learnt to know myself from the inside out, so to speak. Wow, if I had a problem, I could now step right into myself and find a likely solution. Plus, it was from this realisation that I got to know about the way the subjective and the objective translates both in terms of awareness and in terms of energy. This latter discovery has since helped me to make some very profound realisations about the Wider Reality.
QuoteFOCUS 3
Focus 3 is even more interesting: This area of consciousness is a collective term that incorporates all of Monroe's Focus 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27 areas. This region features all the 'Hollow Hells', 'Hollow Heavens' and everything in-between. Monroe's Focus 27 represents the 'upper level' of my Focus 3. Focus 3 is where we all go when we 'die' i.e. after physical death our primary focus switches from Focus 1 to Focus 3. Focus 3 is also known as the Transition Area, for reasons which will be explained in due course.
Focus 3 is what I call a 'common area' of our Consciousness Continuum. This means that unlike Focus 2, which is ours alone and can only be experienced by ourselves, our Focus 3 area of consciousness intertwines with everyone else's; we can all share in each other's Focus 3 areas of consciousness and interact with each other. As you step into Focus 3 then you will find that it is much like the physical is. Here you can meet people in a totally objective sense exactly as you can while physical. Within this region it is obvious these people are not merely creations of your own imagination. It is as obvious as it is apparent that other people are not merely creations of your imagination within the physical.
There are billions of people on the mid to upper branches all interacting with each other in an objective sense, just as we all do within the physical. The upper branches of Focus 3 are VERY physical-world like indeed, even better in fact on the top-most branches. In my mind I call it the supra physical, sort of like the physical on steroids! In Focus 3 you will find an almost infinite variety of different environments that people have created for themselves to live in, either knowingly or unknowingly. Many of these environments are wonderful and beautiful, some are boring and others are horrific. When people create objects and environments in Focus 3, these things remain until removed, so it is possible to turn up at a location long forgotten about by its creator. It may even have other people hanging about in it! You could even stick around here and add your own touches if you like! Creating things in Focus 3 is slightly tricky as it involves the subjective creation process but with practice you can get the hang of it.
Note: One of the most fundamental rules of the Wider Reality that you must take on board is the rule of 'Like attracts Like'.
This is important in order to understand the myriad 'worlds' of Focus 3: After physical 'death', people with similar beliefs and values will tend to gravitate towards the environments in Focus 3 populated by those of similar beliefs (their collective beliefs created these areas). Furthermore, they will tend to stay there until they have a fundamental shift in beliefs and/or values, at which point they will move on to 'higher' regions of Focus 3 where people are more free thinking. These 'upper areas' of Focus 3, where people are happily free of dogmatic beliefs, are the regions labelled Focus 27 by Monroe. The number of environments in these upper reaches of Focus 3 is huge but here you will find many of the environments described by Monroe, such as 'The Park', the 'Life Review Centre' and so on.
Just to clarify: Focus 3 is HUGE! So say I have had experience with 2 thousand people on the lower branches, as I call them, of the Focus 3 tree. This 2 thousand may account for 10% of people (highly unlikely!), 1%, or 0.0000000000001% (perhaps looking more likely). I really have no way of knowing at this stage. There is so much to explore here!
Now you know the differences. :)
~Ryan
Missy, how many phasing tries did it take before you finally went OBE???
Quote from: Fresco on May 14, 2010, 12:07:45
Missy, how many phasing tries did it take before you finally went OBE???
Freshy...
Once you start comparing yourself to others, you create a blockage.
It takes however long it takes.
If that's not the reasoning behind your question... the please do ignore me. LOL
~Ryan :)
Congrats! :-)
I have a hard time with it and usually wind up falling asleep! :-(
Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2010, 14:29:08
Freshy...
Once you start comparing yourself to others, you create a blockage.
It takes however long it takes.
If that's not the reasoning behind your question... the please do ignore me. LOL
~Ryan :)
It was my reasoning behind the question, you mind reader you :-P
I still want an answer dammit :-D
it takes nonstop trying for 6 months if you are the point of consciousness that is missym which would entail with 1-2 tries a day about 200 tries.
Quote from: soli on May 15, 2010, 08:49:12
it takes nonstop trying for 6 months if you are the point of consciousness that is missym which would entail with 1-2 tries a day about 200 tries.
That's a very limiting construct...
I mean, just accept that it can take however long it takes.
1 day...
1 week...
1 month...
1 year...
Whatever... it takes however long it takes.
Creating a self imposed limit by telling yourself it should take <this long> just locks you into a cycle of frustration when/if you don't get it by then.
~Ryan :)
if one wants to base a rough estimate of another's number of tries as a goal with expectations that will be fulfilled upon reaching such goal then that is up to them and not me
the time is 1:07AM here and i am so exhausted and can not read everything or focus on anything yet i am interested in the thread and the thought of trying out phasing. I will continue reading again tommorow. Had a strange dream that i want to share as well but i guess that will be in the dream section. See you guys later
Well I too have to say IT DOES WORK! I did it last night, by accident!
And this is coming from a guy who doesn't even practice anymore lol.
I'm going to try and do it again tonight...it probably won't work out though...
liar.
jk. Why didn't you tell me about this?
I still care Gil.
:-D
Quote from: personalreality on May 16, 2010, 00:15:16
liar.
jk. Why didn't you tell me about this?
I still care Gil.
:-D
I did! But obviously you weren't paying attention.
I tell you everything else lol :evil:
oops
First of all, thank you Ryan :-) that helped alot, I understand now.
Quote from: Fresco on May 14, 2010, 12:07:45
Missy, how many phasing tries did it take before you finally went OBE???
The first time I tried it it worked, but I had been trying the typical rope method, roll out method, etc. for nearly 6 months nonstop (with very limited results) beforehand, and I'm sure that affected my results (in a good way) somewhat.
It seems that the less I try, the easier/faster results I get, even with phasing. I tried last night and the night before, the night before last bringing no results and last night I nearly made the transition but at that exact moment my family came back, and the dogs went wild :| I was seeing an 'astral screen', it looked like I was transitioning somewhere into China, with a big, beautiful blue lake and really green trees.. although I know that was probably just me transitioning into F2oc, my idea of what the Astral should look like..
I must agree with Ryan (Xanth) though, I kept hearing people say it took them 3-4 months on average, and after the first one they would just naturally happen.. which I suppose is not true for everybody(I'm at 6months & counting :wink:). Just try to keep patient and let it happen. :-)
And just to clarify, the first time I was transitioning that was into F2oc right?
Cool, I'm happy for ya
Now we just need Fresco to exit and all will be well in the unievrse
Do you feel any vibrations associated with phasing? Since I started trying phasing, I've stopped feeling vibrations.
although i dislike my constant parroting.. frank has said there can be no exit sensations with phasing and it will be a very subtle automatic process, not having vibrations being one of his specific examples.
Well, I'm glad then - it shows that I'm on the right track if phasing eliminates them for me.
But how can phasing into another focus be subtle? Does that mean I won't even notice if I manage at first? :-P
I find it fascinating that recently, like the past 2 or 3 weeks only people are having astral projections for the first time all over the place.
People that have been trying for years, and people that arent even trying are having htem.I wonder why this is all of a sudden.
My personal experience was after trying for about 2 yrs to AP or about 1 yr of serious weekly practice and only having partial separation, or full separation but being blind,
the last week in April I finally had a perfect one with full tactile and sight etc.
The funny thing about it is like a lot of people here I wasnt trying that day. It must have been subconscious.
What happened was I lay back after reading around 7pm on the bed to just rest my eyse for a while.
As I felt myself fall asleep right before I would have lost awareness I felt my energy body shifting or wobbling back and forth in a left to right to left etc motion. It started by itself and once I noticed it I pushed it harder and then suddenly found myself outside my body standing up. It was awesome. Iwas able to hold it for about 5 minutes of moving around in the room.
But ever since then I cant do it again, at least not yet :(
Its like maybe i am trying too hard. I remember that I did it when I just let go, so when I try that way too I Just fall asleep.
Such a hard balance@!
BUt im glad i finally had my first real one!
i wonder why everyone else is suddenly too? but im happy , as long as I can do it again soon.
Maybe managing is making you try too hard again. It seems to be the biggest obstacle; trying too hard. The closest I've come to projecting, and actually feeling myself getting lifted out of my body - it's happened when I was on the brink of sleep, once I'm nearly out of it and would have stopped 'trying'. And in those moments, it feels like all the silly things I do to 'try' and project are all so physical they really have nothing to do with the actual process itself.
In my opinion (and somewhat based upon my personal experiences), excessive effort does the same good as not trying it at all... Every time I tried to force my exit, it failed, no matter how much I kept on trying... But, if I forgot about my attempt, and allowed me to wander through my thoughts and/or dreams, without any actual, excessive effort, I could begin wandering about...
I guess the nature of some of our attempts is mere ritual, and has no effect in our progress, just as you just said... Maybe it is that the practice itself is so simple it somehow escapes our expectations, 'cause we relate the fact with a difficulty level which possibly is not related at all...
Be it so, the "whys" are still unanswered questions... Why is it so simple for some and so difficult for others...? Does it have to do with our personal appreciation or personal reality...? Probably, it does..; who knows...? Anyway, I think I'm now wandering too much around the thought (common issue...)
Sayonara...
Hi all,
Just a quick one... I discovered about astral travelling few weeks ago. I've tried it on my 1st night and felt a vibrations and fast heartbeat. I was scared and stop immediately. Since there I've been trying it for last two weeks with no luck...
Any ideas what am I doing wrong? I don't have fear anymore and looking forward to it.....
Thank you for your answers....
I don't think you're doing anything wrong..
Most people have little progress or no progress within the first (at LEAST) 3-4 months.. Be patient, don't expect results overnight. Your body is probably getting used to the build-up of so much more energy than it's used to, and the extra senses.
Thx a lot missym. One of my biggest problems is noise. Every little thing distract me and is hard to concentrate on OBE during the day, but I am learning... I've got one more question. Is it possible to project while listening hemisync on mp3 player?
Thx again for your time.
I guess it is possible... After all, music is an "attention magnet", as well as a relaxing and focusing agent... But, not all music does this, and not all music does it in the same manner... Most of them exploit the usage of the senses to achieve the result expected by the artist, which is normally to feel what he or she felt... Some of them, particularly instrumental or classical music, use this principle quite effectively, and, in my opinion, are the best possible options...
On the other hand, if the main issue is the focus, you should "focus" on your focus... Start practicing focus enhancing techniques like focusing on a spot for as long as you can without thinking about anything else or gazing at the clouds doing the same... Most techniques work this way: concentrate your attention on a single, easy to perform task, and allow yourself not to think on anything else... This helps your focus and will start allowing you to last longer without wandering about again, which is quite useful when the objective is to focus only on a single task and ignore all the rest...
Hope this helps ya...
Sayonara...
Quote from: Inico on May 17, 2010, 11:53:34
Maybe managing is making you try too hard again. It seems to be the biggest obstacle; trying too hard. The closest I've come to projecting, and actually feeling myself getting lifted out of my body - it's happened when I was on the brink of sleep, once I'm nearly out of it and would have stopped 'trying'. And in those moments, it feels like all the silly things I do to 'try' and project are all so physical they really have nothing to do with the actual process itself.
However that "trying too hard" is what brings you to the experience. Letting go is an important part, but the subconscious must be trained somewhat. In reality the most important work in all these disciplines is what it seems at first sight unimportant. One thinks for example that "exit" techniques are the most important aspect of the work, instead is the "previous" work, or what the "exit" techniques trains that it's important, not the same.
If you don't do anything at all you can "let go" how much you want, it will not happen, at last if your subconscious isn't already trained on how to bring the consciousness in that other "bodies" for various motives. However for the majority of people this connection must be build.
This is one of the motive for example why people try for 4-5 months and then one day they discover to their amazement that they can do it without understanding really what's changed. Usually this happens after a period of time where everything seems to not work at all and you are on the verge of giving up. The usual "IAO" formula. And sometimes people mistakes what's really happen for "letting go". While it is true in part is not the full reality of what's really happening.
Selea has voiced my mind completely. I recently became 'aware' of the part my subconscious plays - and how things that I used to struggle to induce, such as trance, now happen automatically. My subconscious takes over.
So really, it's training - and then letting the subconscious play it's part once it knows what to 'feel out'. That's what I assume, anyway.
at which point I moved my area of awareness from my eye view to right infront of me. As soon as I moved my awareness
Can you elaborate, I'm dieing to know how to do this as well!
o.o
what exactly do you focus on inducing when you are gazing into your own darkness behind your eyes during phasing? what should you be focusing on exactly.
Oh wow...I think I'm going to try that. Thanks for sharing!
I will try too Phasing looks like fun and maybe easier then what i have been trying. :-)
Quote from: SkepticBoy on May 22, 2010, 14:27:44
what exactly do you focus on inducing when you are gazing into your own darkness behind your eyes during phasing? what should you be focusing on exactly.
Nothing and everything. :)
I'll take an excerpt from Franks Phasing Resource:
QuotePeople often tell me that they keep trying and they are saying about how they are concentrating upon holding their awareness outside of themselves, and at the same time they are concentrating on "raising energy" and doing everything correctly, and whatever... but nothing is happening. That's right, because all their attention is fixated elsewhere, whereas all my attention is fixated on noticing.
Noticing what?
Well, nothing at first, there's not much to see really but blackness. But then, after a short while, I may see that perhaps one part of the blackness is not quite so black. Perhaps there was just a brief flash of something, then maybe a sensation of a movement somewhere else. Maybe I just heard someone call my name. Hmm, that's interesting, I might think, I wonder where that came from. But I don't get too curious I just keep noticing. I might see swirling areas of not quite so black as the rest. I might see flashes of this and that. As I am offering myself these images, my attention is steadily becoming more fixated within.
Hope that helps
~Ryan :)
I guess copy and pasting is cool, Frank's resource btw is a very vague summary, there is so much more on the details in his posts.
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The Noticing exercise is for complete beginners. It gets people used to simply looking within themselves. If you got the first issue of my newsletter then you will have read about how I made
this particular point that everything you want to do, Phasing or otherwise, is all WITHIN you. Some people have been so used to in some way "exteriorising" their awareness trying to "obe" in a conventional sense they simply cannot get to grips with the creating of a mental rundown thing. They need a little practice first just learning how to look within themselves. So that‟s when I recommend the Noticing exercise. At first, people close their eyes and all they see is blackness. Unfortunately, this can put people off thinking they are never going to do it. When I close my eyes all I see is blackness at first. But if people learn to actually notice what is taking place they may see that one area of black is not quite so black as the rest. Then they may kind of sense something. Then there might be a little fleeting something or other that just passed by. Perhaps a swirl of colour, maybe you just heard a sound, or think you heard a sound but it‟s confusing because you didn‟t hear it with your ears. Perhaps you just heard your name. Then maybe there was a flash, or was there? Now there‟s that sound again. And there‟s this swirling purple colour with a hint of yellow and red in the middle. Now someone‟s singing something... at which point people tend to get overwhelmed thinking, "Hey, I‟m doing it! I‟m doing it!" Then they get zapped right out of the state, all excited realising that it‟s working for them. Eventually, people get to the stage where they see what is commonly called "hypnogogic imagery" (this is the Monroe Focus 12 state). Many people ask me, "What do I see?" Well, at first all I see is blackness. But as my eyes and face start to relax I see a light in my mind. It is in an upwards direction, almost straight up but cranked back a bit. It‟s not a pinpoint light like a torch, it is more like an area of light, like a light-grey/white cloudy area. I focus my attention on this cloudy area and after about 10 or 15 minutes it‟s like the cloud descends on me and I‟m surrounded by this grey/white cloud. At this point I‟m almost at the stage where I have made the switch. Once I make the switch, the whiteness generally changes to swirling clouds of colour. Then there is a feeling of forwards movement for a second or two, at which point I emerge into the 3D-Blackness at the Monroe Focus 21 state (or Fz of the Phasing Model). I rarely have to do any kind of mental rundown from the physical, as I have now found that "point" in my mind where my "connection" is. So now all I need to do is look to that. If I want to transition to Focus 2 then I will think of going through a mental rundown at Fz and I‟ll immediately transition to Focus 2.
Quote from: missym on May 14, 2010, 01:47:00
I'm going to admit I don't know the differences between F1oc, F2oc or F3oc, or basically any of the terms used with phasing.. sort of a n00b to this lol :wink: I will check out the link you sent me though 35 (your username is too long)
I think the key here was really not trying.. just letting it happen.
Even before when I thought I was not trying, I was inadvertently trying :-D
Lol I don tknow the terms either I was just saying something about that...is the link you're talking about to explain the terms or something? if so can I have it?
Quote from: mels8780 on May 27, 2010, 23:29:53
Lol I don tknow the terms either I was just saying something about that...is the link you're talking about to explain the terms or something? if so can I have it?
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
You want to read that.
As Sola said though, it's really just a primer for beginners more than anything.
But he does go into pretty good detail regarding all of *his* Focus Levels and how they equate to the Monroe Focus Levels.
~Ryan