Another possible obe or dream of obe

[Nomesb69]

Dream or OBE?

Today I had to get up early for an appointment so last night was an early to bed night. Around 9 p.m. I prepared for bed. Knowing that I had to be up early I took an ambien (10 mg) and went to bed. I listened to the holo sync track one the dive. Frustrated i was still awake I went and took half another ambien (5 mg) and came back to bed and then listened to Hemi sync focus 10 exploration sleep track. I dozed off a couple times and eventually turn it off. I turned to my side and rested for a bit and then heard a loud buzzing in my ears and then my face felt a vibration and the vibration slowly went from my face to my whole head then down through my body. After a minute I was able to role out of my body. I walked away from my bed towards the bedroom door and I remember seeing my dog on the floor. I was curious if he could see me but I don't remember if he could or not. When I got to my bedroom door I tried to see if I could push through it but could not so I opened the door with the door handle. I walked out of the bedroom and headed outside which i was standing in my driveway. I remember looking up in the sky for the moon and when I found it I was trying to jump up in the sky to fly to the moon. But all I could do was jump not even high let alone fly to the moon. This was all I remember.

Now the reason I don't know if this was an actual obe or a dream of an obe is because when I take my ambien I remember all my physical activity at night like a dream. For instance I take my ambien and goto bed and the next day I wake up and think that's weird in had a dream I made scrambled eggs but then go into the kitchen only to find a pan that had eggs scrambled in it, lol.

[Summerlander]

Hi, congrats on the experience. I'm from Astral Viewers. In there we regard here-now physical projections as 1st phase OOBEs. What you had would be regarded by our terminology as a 2nd phase OOBE or a projection to the metaphysical realm (astral plane). It is a world made of thoughts which can emulate physical reality really well.

Rules like gravity and experiencing the solidity of objects apply there because these are things that you are used to from having experienced the physical realm for so long. Of course, the rules can be bent and there really are no limits as to what you can do. The dog you saw was either an unconscious projection from your mind based on expectation OR you actually came across your dog's unconscious self in the meta-realm. The house was not your house but rather an dream imitation of it.

I'll introduce the perspective of a man who studied dreams for most of his life and termed "active imagination" what was in actual fact astral projections. His name was Carl Jung. According to Jung, while lucid in the metaphysical realm, an individual can experience it from both a PERSONAL and COLLECTIVE unconscious perspective. I've been projecting since 2008 and I've conducted a few experiments which have led me to believe that he was right.

It seems that dreams and OOBEs enable telepathy (as well as precognition, retrocognition etc.) Try to visit someone (who's alive) regardless of whether you have a 1st phase or a 2nd phase OOBE. If you experience the latter which is easier to attain and more common, you will find that the person you visit will be able to see you and even talk to you. When you tell that person about your experience, you will find that more often than not, that person will express shock and they may confirm one or both of the following regardless of whether they were wake or sleeping at the time of your experience:

A) They will say that what you saw them do and the details of the constructs you found them in was either what they were thinking at the time, or what they were dreaming about (as though you tapped into their minds). They won't remember any conversation they might have had with you though (theory goes that you talked to their unconscious selves while the conscious version focused in the physical realm) but they may at the time feel as though they are supposed to remember someone or something (I suspect that when this happens, the visited are in a daydreaming mode where their brain waves are on alpha mode and thus more receptive to other frequencies such as the metaphysical).

B) Even in 2nd phase, just like a 1st phase or Locale I projection, you may see what the person was doing at the time with perhaps a few minor inaccuracies to the environment. They will confirm that too. I posit that when this happens, it is because all of us are subconsciously aware of our surroundings and what we are doing during the waking state (even if the subconscious makes slight mistakes) but the OOBEr will be able to perceive the gist of what the visited is doing in the physical by viewing a meta-version of it which stems from their mind.

C) This is when you are unable to get confirmation of your visited because either the visited does not remember what he or she was thinking, imagining or dreaming at the time. Also, the individual may be unreliable or might say that it was totally inaccurate in fear of shame. If you catch someone masturbating in the OOBE-state, I'm pretty sure the visited will not confirm this.

All in all, believe it or not, from personal experience, A and B happen more often while C is rare. Beware of people's 'crazy' imaginations btw. What may not make sense to you when you decide to visit someone, will make sense to them. Btw, I've also willed myself to visit the deceased and was surprised to find that the info I obtained from them checked out in waking life. The sceptic, of course, may put it down to coincidences. However I somehow feel that's not the answer because if the confirmations are just coincidences, then these coincidences are happening too often!

You see now why I strongly suspect that dreams and OOBEs can turn telepathic? Anyway, explore and see what you find. Usually, once you separate, you will be in a dream version of the town you are in, possibly stemming from your personal unconscious or perhaps the inhabitants of the physical town unconsciously manifested a dream version of the town you live in and you have the ability to project there whenever you want - there has also been evidence of this from several OOBErs who conducted experiments.

I apologise for the long post but I usually have so much to say and I'm always eager to tell about my 'discoveries' and experiences to someone with questions. My advice is to explore this elusive phenomenon from a fresh perspective. The possibilities may be endless...

[Nomesb69]

@summerlander ... Thanks for the reply. Quite a bit of food for thought you put into it.

[NickisDank]

that was def. a lot of info, and actually kind of what ive been wondering lately

its still hard to understand though.

[Astral316]

You describe the pre-projection state and made comparisons with the physical (ie. questioned if your dog could see you.) This indicates you most likely had full awareness at the beginning of the experience. I vote classic etheric projection with possible diminished awareness towards the end.

[Summerlander]

No. It wasn't etheric projection. The here-now physical reality projections are somewhat different. They are very distinct from the metaphysical ones. They also come less often because of the manner in which they are entered.

[Nomesb69]

You describe the pre-projection state and made comparisons with the physical (ie. questioned if your dog could see you.) This indicates you most likely had full awareness at the beginning of the experience. I vote classic etheric projection with possible diminished awareness towards the end.

That's actually what I was hoping for. Thanks.

[Xanth]

No. It wasn't etheric projection. The here-now physical reality projections are somewhat different. They are very distinct from the metaphysical ones. They also come less often because of the manner in which they are entered.

One train of thought is that any projection that happens in an Earth familiar area... your bedroom, your house, your city, somewhere that you KNOW exists on this Earth, is an Etheric Projection.  I believe that's the relation that Astral316 is relating here... please correct me if I'm wrong, Astral316. 

[Summerlander]

Oh! I get it! I thought he meant Etheric as in here-now physical reality projection. But I see now that he meant an 'in-between' so to speak. Ok...1000 apologies sir!

[Xanth]

Oh! I get it! I thought he meant Etheric as in here-now physical reality projection. But I see now that he meant an 'in-between' so to speak. Ok...1000 apologies sir!

Semantics mostly. 

It's what this field of study massively suffers from.  LoL

[Astral316]

One train of thought is that any projection that happens in an Earth familiar area... your bedroom, your house, your city, somewhere that you KNOW exists on this Earth, is an Etheric Projection.  I believe that's the relation that Astral316 is relating here... please correct me if I'm wrong, Astral316. 

I would say projecting to a familiar location is an indicator of an etheric projection rather than an exclusive characteristic, especially if the projection is close to the location of one's physical body.

It's my belief that a "here-now physical reality projection" (I assume this is how Summerlander defines etheric projection) is impossible without the permanent or temporary cessation of brain function. Again, my belief is that one can only get extremely close to the physical in a projection, so much so that truths can still be verified. To me, the etheric is a bridge into the astral and physical truths are lost as deviation from the physical into astral proper occurs.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Nomesb69
I consider your experience to be an OBE.
Here's why.
1) The vibrations are almost always an accurate sign that an OBE/AP is about to happen. I have recorded over 2,500 dreams in my dream journal and not ONE of those dreams included vibrations of any type. However, about 1/3 to 1/2 of my OBEs include vibrations.
2) Dreams starting with the action of leaving the physical body are almost unheard of. In fact I have never had a dream like that or read about a dream like that. Also seeing your physical dog and attempting to materialize (or phase) through a door (or window) are activities that happen in OBEs and hardly ever occur in a dream.

Congrats   
Grey

[Nomesb69]

Hallo Nomesb69
I consider your experience to be an OBE.
Here's why.
1) The vibrations are almost always an accurate sign that an OBE/AP is about to happen. I have recorded over 2,500 dreams in my dream journal and not ONE of those dreams included vibrations of any type. However, about 1/3 to 1/2 of my OBEs include vibrations.
2) Dreams starting with the action of leaving the physical body are almost unheard of. In fact I have never had a dream like that or read about a dream like that. Also seeing your physical dog and attempting to materialize (or phase) through a door (or window) are activities that happen in OBEs and hardly ever occur in a dream.

Thanks. This would be the second incident in which I questioned real or dream. But both had noise in the ears and vibrations present. One I had vision through closed eyes.
Congrats   
Grey

[Lexy]

doesn't ambien cause hallucinations?

[Nomesb69]

doesn't ambien cause hallucinations?

Not that I know of?

[Lexy]

Not that I know of?

that's what I heard, lots of weird hallucinations & sleepwalking

[Nomesb69]

that's what I heard, lots of weird hallucinations & sleepwalking

It might be one of the uncommon or rare side effects. I've never experienced it. Are you thinking of chantix ?

[Lexy]

It might be one of the uncommon or rare side effects. I've never experienced it. Are you thinking of chantix ?

I always hear about ambien causing problems, here is a link http://www.helium.com/items/809016-the-link-between-ambien-and-hallucinations

[Nomesb69]

I always hear about ambien causing problems, here is a link http://www.helium.com/items/809016-the-link-between-ambien-and-hallucinations

That's odd. I've taken it for years and nothing like that happens. Lack of memory of making food and stuff yes.