I phased by attempting to locate myself somewhere else. Not relocate but find a copy of myself somewhere in the other focus levels. I started to slip into F2 and found myself semi-lucid in a work type situation. I quickly realized that I was phased and that my attempt worked. I began quickly thinking of how to optimize my phased situation because most of my phasing experiences are short. I began asking people various questions and asking them if they knew they where in my dream and not real and suddenly I felt a rush of energy and was in a super market. It was dim and stormy outside the market and many people where walking down the aisles towards the doors. I immediately felt that this was NOT f2. I felt whole, I felt awake and I felt purely physical.
I saw all these people walking towards the doors and stopped one of them. They had a look of shock and appeared to be trying to remember something. I said "Do you know where you are?" They said "I... well...." and looked around confused and walked past me. I noticed a young attractive girl and her cat sitting in a produce display. I thought this was a bit odd and approached them. The cat looked at me with a bit of dismay and meowed pensively at me. I looked at the girl and said "Your cat seems to be a bit grumpy." She looked at me and said "Where am I?" I said "well.... I am trying to figure that out too but I have a guess." She cocked her head at me and said "well a moment ago I was on a boat.... and... now I'm here..." I didnt know what to say and I didnt want to be wrong so I said "Well what is the last thing you remember?" She sat there dumbfounded and speechless while her cat continued to eye me suspiciously.
I decided to push my luck and just give in to my desire to wreck her day. "sorry hun but your dead." She came out of her haze and gave me an icy look. "No I'm not. I cant be!" She said. Her cat began to curl up tightly and hiss. I said "How did you get from your boat here? What is the last thing you remember?" And as she thought some more she had a EUREKA!!! moment as her eyes lit up and her mouth opened into a half smile half gape and she faded away with her cat.
I walked slowly towards the door everyone else seemed so interested in and thought about what had just happened. I decided to try my luck at effecting the surroundings with my mind as it would be easy to do in F2. I couldnt stretch my fingers out or make psi balls or produce different clothes, all things I have done easily in the past in F2. I tried to fly but couldnt. I got the sudden sense that it may be set up that way so people who transition there dont freak out when suddenly they are walking on the walls or sinking into the floor.
I approached the doors and there was a woman in her early 20's standing at the door. I walked up to her and she said "Welcome! How are you?" and I said "You dont have to treat me like one of them, I'm not dead." She looked at me rather severely "Are you sure?"
I raised my eye brow and said "Well if I am I must have randomly died in my sleep then." She shrugged and looked around at the others briefly with a look of concern and questioning. I got the impression she was making sure they where behaving. I said "So whats outside of the doors?" She said "We like to call that the Create Your Own."
I stepped outside and felt strange. I floated up a ways and back down. I became a point of consciousness and a full person at will. I seemed to have entered a personal space as no one else came out of the doors despite the fact I saw people in a steady stream leaving them before I left. I didnt know what to do so I decided to try some ninja action. I said "Bring it on!" and suddenly out of nowhere 3 guys walk up and start attacking me. I started whipping up on them and everything started to fade just as I unleashed a monster roundhouse. I woke and kicked my wall so hard I expected to break my toe but its ok I think. I have NO IDEA where I was on the spectrum of consciousness and the Wider Reality so to speak but it was an interesting experience for sure!
Hi knightlight
Sounds like F3 to me. Well, from my experiences anyway. It's a real shame we don't have signposts saying,
"You have now left F2 - Thank you for visiting" and
"F3 welcomes careful drivers".
It's to do with the interaction with others I think, and also not being able to do those wacky things that you can do in F2, such as change the environment and make things appear and so on.
I sense I'm in F3 during some lucid dreams where I mention to another character that I'm dreaming and the response is disbelief. And also when others get on with what they are doing, seemingly regardless of my presence. That's when I suspect I'm no longer in F2.
But who knows for sure? Not I.
Great experience though, and thanks for sharing. :smile:
Sarah
PS I particularly like "Create Your Own" - that's brilliant! :grin:
Knightlight_
Excellent account!
You are spot on about being able to tell F3 by the way that characters act and talk. They act in ways you may not expect or say things that may blow your socks off. It soon becomes clear that they are not just F2 dream characters acting out a subconscious dream script like you find in 'normal' dreams.
Great one. I hope you were able to keep the same high level of lucidity throughout the entire experience?
Doug
QuoteSounds like F3 to me. Well, from my experiences anyway. It's a real shame we don't have signposts saying,
"You have now left F2 - Thank you for visiting" and
"F3 welcomes careful drivers".
Indeed! I have tried in the past to ask people if they know what section of reality they are in but I usually get an ambiguous answer at best.
QuotePS I particularly like "Create Your Own" - that's brilliant!
As did I! This part of it was very strange. I cant properly explain what this area felt like. It was like normal waking reality but very fluid at the same time. I guess the major difference between this area and normal F2 was it didnt seem to be effected by my subconscious or even surface thoughts. I had to make an effort to produce results not just accidentally think about it.
QuoteExcellent account!
You are spot on about being able to tell F3 by the way that characters act and talk. They act in ways you may not expect or say things that may blow your socks off. It soon becomes clear that they are not just F2 dream characters acting out a subconscious dream script like you find in 'normal' dreams.
Great one. I hope you were able to keep the same high level of lucidity throughout the entire experience?
Doug
Yes indeed Doug, I actually have gone back through my journal and what I can remember that I didnt write down and some of my earlier experiences where definitely F3 as well. It does have alot to do with how the people around you behave. There where a couple of people in the market that seemed to be fully lucid, to be aware of their location and why they where there. I remember one guy, looked about 25ish with a backpack on and a stocking cap walking down an aisle eating chips and looking at stuff on the shelves. He seemed focused and aware but not guided artificially like most dream characters. Another thing stuck out at me when what appeared to be a mother and daughter combo walked past me and gave me a rather severe look. It was as if they where judging me and analyzing my presence there and recognized me as an outsider.
Of course then there was the first lady I saw who couldnt seem to remember anything at all. It was such a strange mixture of people with no pattern and all with varying degrees of lucidity, highly irregular for any F2 experience.
I did indeed manage to maintain my lucidity for the entire experience until the final kick to the wall and this experience is probably in my top 5 most lucid and important OBE's. I think I am progressing both consciously and subconsciously enough where I am going to be gaining more and more access to higher branches of F3!! FINALLY! It has been a goal of mine for a long time.
Quote from: knightlightI have tried in the past to ask people if they know what section of reality they are in but I usually get an ambiguous answer at best.
The trouble is, in the wider reality only a handful of people know about Monroe's levels, and even fewer about Frank's focuses. So if someone were to come up to you right now, while you are reading this reply, and say to you,
"Good day, Mr Knightlight, could you please do me the honour of advising me of what section of reality you are in?"
What the heck do you say? Physical reality? What would that
mean to someone who isn't physical? Nothing I guess. If you say C1 or Focus 1, chances are they'll look at you like you are a loony. :smile:
So the answers we would give are probably just as ambiguous as the ones you are receiving, not down to any malice or mischief, but more to lack of understanding and knowledge.
In my opinion. :smile:
Sarah
I agree 100% Sarah. I just figured maybe I would eventually get the same answer from 2 different people or something, some kind of remote validation. Maybe as my experiences grow in F3 I will see a pattern but I havent yet.
Quote from: knightlightI just figured maybe I would eventually get the same answer from 2 different people or something, some kind of remote validation. Maybe as my experiences grow in F3 I will see a pattern but I havent yet.
I hadn't thought of that - that's a fascinating possibility.
Let us know if you get anywhere with this. I'd be very interested. :smile:
Sarah
Will do! I seem to be in some strange process of trials set up for me to endure by who knows what. I have had many experiences lately (5 in the past 4 weeks) where I will be lucid in a scenario with an obvious goal and when I finish it I feel more complete and feel like I have done something important. One of the times I was told I had completed a step into infinity by a sourceless voice. I have succeeded in 3 of the challenges and failed two but even with my failure came success because I still progressed. I dont fully understand it all yet but here is my most recent challenge from last night.
I awoke in a mall. I was standing in a food court type area. I noticed a kiosk selling donuts that looked AMAZING! I walked up and grabbed one and a large gangster looking guy walked up and said something to me. My first impression was to let him have his way and be submissive because I didnt want to get hurt. Then it dawned on me that I couldnt get hurt, that I was in control and this was something I needed to experience. I had to show courage. I said something that apparently made him angry and 4 other guys appeared out of nowhere. They all would make most people wet their pants in fear IRL, huge hulking ogres armed with weapons. I felt very small, I felt completely outnumbered and overpowered but something felt different than I have ever felt in a situation like that before. I felt like I was invincible. I felt I had passed the test already. I had made the necessary step over the fear boundary. Even if I was decimated by these brainless aggressive maniacs I had still won! I stood tall and screamed loud and faced one of them. I fought back one of them and just as I was about to face another I was somewhere else.
I was in a strange cartoon world. In front of me was a tall garage door and standing on one side was a kangaroo. Leaning against the other side was a weird pirate type guy. My memory of what they said to me is shaky and I wish I had written more of it down but when they opened the door for me suddenly I was in a race with tiny cartoon rabbits down a tunnel. I had to crawl on all 4's because the tunnel was so small and I crawled as fast as I could. It was so intensely real I almost just stopped because my mind was so boggled. I somehow won the race even though I didnt finish first and again I felt a sense of completion.
Something about these experiences screams at me that they are not just a series of somehow coincidentally related F2 experiences and that I am being given a look at my own inner workings, how i overcome things in what would normally be a subconscious way but now I am being given control! Its amazing.
Hi knightlight
You sure are having interesting experiences lately! What are you on ... can I have some too please? :lol:
And they are a pleasure to read - you write them very well.
I had an experience a while back, it was also some sort of test. There were 5 scenarios, and I thought I'd passed 3 and failed 2. I don't know why I thought this - I just sensed it. I remembered this particular example when I read that you passed 3 and failed 2.
Here it is if you fancy reading it.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=165359
I still haven't really understood what was going on and what it means to me, but I guess one day it might make a bit more sense. These experiences we have do tend to fall into place eventually, even if they can sometimes take years to understand.
Keep posting! :typing:
Sarah
That's fantastic, knightlight. I love reading about stuff like that!
Quote from: SelskiYou sure are having interesting experiences lately! What are you on ... can I have some too please?
:alcool:
I have been drinking alot lately. I dont think this is responsible for my experiences but thats the only thing I can think of. I have also been taking my vitamins.
Quote from: SelskiAnd they are a pleasure to read - you write them very well.
Well thank you! I enjoy posting them! It is very exciting for me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MacThat's fantastic, knightlight. I love reading about stuff like that!
Well I hope to have more material to write about soon. Thanks for the support you two! :multiblob:
Awesome experiences! :bouncy:
Ah... F3! :hearts: I've been wanting to make it back there myself!
I agree with what you all have said about the people acting independently, with minds of their own. But for me, in addition, F3 just has this incredible solidity to it. It's hard to describe, but it really feels somehow more solid than the physical world! And much more vivid and sharp!
It's so nice... not least of all because my loved ones are there, and so very alive. :hearts:
Good luck to you -- may we all have great experiences to share soon! :mrgreen:
After all you have been through it swells my heart to know you enjoy my post! :hug:
F3 is indeed amazing! I wish everyone here who explores the astral to gain access to it! I also agree it is indeed very different from F2 and very much solid.... I cant wait to go back! :grin:
"I got the impression she was making sure they where behaving. I said "So whats outside of the doors?""
Just curious, about the young lady standing by the doors, why do you think she would want to make sure 'they' (the ignorant dead) were behaving?
Knightlight: I can't wait to go back, either! :mrgreen:
I really like the method you used this time too, about trying to find yourself in the other focuses. I've thought about that a bit--if I understand the phasing model correctly, we do exist at the different focuses simultaneously, don't we? It's really just a matter of where our attention is fixated. When I think about it that way, the whole enterprise seems a bit simpler.
I'm generally pretty good at fixing my attention in places other than good ol' F1 (for better or worse!). :lol: I just need to go... a bit... further!
Quote"I got the impression she was making sure they where behaving. I said "So whats outside of the doors?""
Just curious, about the young lady standing by the doors, why do you think she would want to make sure 'they' (the ignorant dead) were behaving?
I guess my wording may have been a bit off... It was more of a glance a mother would give a group of playing children. Not necessarily to make sure they where behaving but just to make sure everything is in order and going smoothly and no one is in need of assistance.
QuoteKnightlight: I can't wait to go back, either!
I really like the method you used this time too, about trying to find yourself in the other focuses. I've thought about that a bit--if I understand the phasing model correctly, we do exist at the different focuses simultaneously, don't we? It's really just a matter of where our attention is fixated. When I think about it that way, the whole enterprise seems a bit simpler.
I'm generally pretty good at fixing my attention in places other than good ol' F1 (for better or worse!). I just need to go... a bit... further!
Yes going a bit further has more impact on my experiences than I often realize. For the past few months I have been a bit passive while attempting OBE's and phasing. I would lay there... and lay there... and lay there... waiting for the vibes or waiting for some imagery to pop up but it barely ever worked... only three times in about 2 months. I still had my usual spontaneous ones which where short and bitter sweet as usual and the occasional lucid dream but things where getting frustrating. :angry3: It helped alot coming here and answering newb questions because it made me feel better to help people who hadnt had the experiences I have and made me grateful. Finally one day I stood up and said "I have been trying to project at will for 3 years and I STILL SUCK!!!! IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!" :director:
I buckled down, grabbed myself by the boot straps and stood tall. I put all the effort and energy I had into my attempts and in the past 2 weeks I have had insane results. Just this morning from the first time I woke up at 10:30 until I finally decided to pry myself away from my bed at 1:30 I was in F2 the WHOLE TIME. I didnt want to get up. I will work on an easy way to sum up my technique and post it here for you. Maybe you can post yours as well and we can see whats the same and whats different, I am sure we can both learn something.