Just curious.. I have heard alot about people trying to project into the RTZ and then go to the White House, only to be met by some sort of Astral Guards or Astral Police that don't allow them in.
I am wondering if anyone has ever went to the white house and not encountered these guards, successfully walking in. I only ask because I cannot understand why any entities in the astral would care about whether or not a human projected his way into a place in the physical. Also, it doesn't seem plausible that the government would have agents who are projecting and standing guard there.
If anyone has an experience like this to share, i would like to know if you had heard about the guards before you tried it.. Because if not, it would maybe rule out the knowledge of it manafesting.
The only "guards" that exist in the non-physical are the ones you place there yourself via your beliefs/expectations... consciously and subconsciously.
If you "visit" a "location" which you believe you will be guarded from entry into... guess what you're going to experience? A very strong chance of a "guard" of some kind stopping you.
In this instance it's something entirely self-created.
There is perhaps such a thing. It makes sense.
It is the same thing you could do on individual basis with "magickal shielding" techniques against negs or whatever, just "they" do it with 'agents" on an organizational level and directed against everyone (psychic enemy spies, astralprojecting public, etc.).
I remember one of Monroe's books where he wrote about the heavily 'protected' White House.
I'm not sure what to believe in this instance so I guess the best thing is not to believe anything until I've had my own experiences there. I suppose that if it was possible to deploy astral guards, the White House would be one place that did.
I do "know" one thing though. The US military did not spend millions and millions of dollars on their remote viewing research and other psychic programs just to prove a thousand times over that there was nothing happening. Once it became public knowledge and the ridicule and oversight began, they had no other option but to claim that they ended the program.
Quote from: Xanth on February 13, 2014, 08:21:24
The only "guards" that exist in the non-physical are the ones you place there yourself via your beliefs/expectations... consciously and subconsciously.
If you "visit" a "location" which you believe you will be guarded from entry into... guess what you're going to experience? A very strong chance of a "guard" of some kind stopping you.
In this instance it's something entirely self-created.
If this is true.. Then you would be able to make the guards disappear or force them to let you through since they are your creation right? Have you ever done this and made it into the white house?
Quote from: Astralzombie on February 13, 2014, 11:12:52
I'm not sure what to believe in this instance so I guess the best thing is not to believe anything until I've had my own experiences there. I suppose that if it was possible to deploy astral guards, the White House would be one place that did.
I do "know" one thing though. The US military did not spend millions and millions of dollars on their remote viewing research and other psychic programs just to prove a thousand times over that there was nothing happening. Once it became public knowledge and the ridicule and oversight began, they had no other option but to claim that they ended the program.
Very true.. It is a fact that they have spent alot of money on programs like this so who knows.
Quote from: Astral-Trea on February 13, 2014, 12:13:58
If this is true.. Then you would be able to make the guards disappear or force them to let you through since they are your creation right? Have you ever done this and made it into the white house?
It would depend upon how strong your belief was. It's not always as simple as just "not believing" in something.
I've never bothered with places like the Whitehouse. They don't interest me.
Quote from: Xanth on February 13, 2014, 13:54:38
It would depend upon how strong your belief was. It's not always as simple as just "not believing" in something.
I've never bothered with places like the Whitehouse. They don't interest me.
Do you also believe Astral Police are manefestations of our minds? I have read posts here about people breaking some sort of rules in the Astral and being punished by not being allowed to project for a week etc. and that there are entities that enforce these rules as well.
Quote from: Astral-Trea on February 13, 2014, 15:37:13
Do you also believe Astral Police are manefestations of our minds? I have read posts here about people breaking some sort of rules in the Astral and being punished by not being allowed to project for a week etc. and that there are entities that enforce these rules as well.
There is no "law enforcement" in the non-physical.
The only rules you break are the ones you place there for yourself.
With that said, if you're breaking your own rules (whether they consciously or unconsciously set by you), then you're going to run into "blocks"... but any of those blocks are going to be self-created. How you perceive those blocks is entirely up to the individual... it could manifest as a wall stopping you from moving forward; you might just become unable to move at all; you might run into "police"... which is how this whole "astral police" stuff began in the first place, one person experienced it and told someone else...
What you experience in the non-physical is objective, but HOW you experience it is subjective. Not many new people realize this and interpret experiences literally! You can't do this.
For example, the scenario above of someone being "stopped" by some "police" while projecting... this individual definitely was "stopped" or "blocked" from an action they wanted to take or stopped while doing an action, that's the objective part... the subjective part was that they were stopped by "police".
Understand?
with
Quote from: Xanth on February 13, 2014, 17:43:53
There is no "law enforcement" in the non-physical.
The only rules you break are the ones you place there for yourself.
With that said, if you're breaking your own rules (whether they consciously or unconsciously set by you), then you're going to run into "blocks"... but any of those blocks are going to be self-created. How you perceive those blocks is entirely up to the individual... it could manifest as a wall stopping you from moving forward; you might just become unable to move at all; you might run into "police"... which is how this whole "astral police" stuff began in the first place, one person experienced it and told someone else...
What you experience in the non-physical is objective, but HOW you experience it is subjective. Not many new people realize this and interpret experiences literally! You can't do this.
For example, the scenario above of someone being "stopped" by some "police" while projecting... this individual definitely was "stopped" or "blocked" from an action they wanted to take or stopped while doing an action, that's the objective part... the subjective part was that they were stopped by "police".
Understand?
with
Yes, that makes sense. I wish Szaxx would weigh in on this topic also cause he posted an experience he had with some guards at a place he was not supposed to be which he believed to be the djinn. I believe his understanding was that these things could be either your own manifestation or actual entities.
Quote from: Astral-Trea on February 13, 2014, 18:32:59
Yes, that makes sense. I wish Szaxx would weigh in on this topic also cause he posted an experience he had with some guards at a place he was not supposed to be which he believed to be the djinn. I believe his understanding was that these things could be either your own manifestation or actual entities.
There's always the chance that something you run into will be from "outside" you, most definitely.
The thing is that most people on this forum are still struggling with "themselves"...
The problem really comes in figuring out if something is from "within" or "without"... because there's not exactly a true test one can do beyond a "feeling".
I think it really comes down to are you feeling guilty about it or not.
If you are and you feel you are doing something wrong, such as violating some kind of NP law, then it's possible that guilt would create Astral Guards at the White House.
I try not to put my nose where it doesn't belong and in that I expect others to do the same back to me. I think a lot of us just "know" what's going on there. :wink:
I have had times in the past though when I went against something I was told in the NP. I didn't feel guilty about it, because I didn't expect that they were serious. But they were and I didn't have a successful AP for about a month afterwards.
Take that as you may!
Hi,
The places I've visited in the RTZ that match the physical are something else. Most are perfect copies and these visits slowed down in the 1970's.
The Whitehouse has a room inside it where you are likely to find some 'caring officials' that can communicate with eachother and they do a brilliant job at keeping prying eyes out.
I've met them and sent them 'away' as they were not as proficient at I was, looking where my percieved location was, they were everywhere but close. Being able to split my percieved location into many had them running themselves wild. A shift in frequency if you like with many copies of self (thoughtforms) tied them in knots. I even tuned in to their coms system and played with it. These guys had a lifey feel to them too and were so physically orientated it was childs play. I do think someone alive was influencing things though. Thanks to my intense adventures in the Badlands, I learned many things on remaining undetected.
I met with some 'protected officials' and we had a chat on various past events. The large hat stood out and this official was brilliant in his mindset. It's no surprise the country progressed.
I knew nothing on American history and wasn't expecting any resistance whatsoever. I saw a picture on the TV and decided to visit the grounds.
The details of the room I still remember, the rest is never going to be disclosed as I made a promise and will keep it. We did talk about past and future events. One current one was a close call (back then). That's all I'm saying thats common knowledge from that time.
I've not had any hassle from the guys as they were called off. The 'protected officials' were far safer with me than all of them even though I only manipulated myself into thoughtforms, this they couldn't even manage.
If you've been in this particular room 'you have to watch that step it's a swine and you just can't get it right'.
No NP watchers, remember that headache? I'm far better now. I know you.
The Djinn were a sentries on entry to Mecca.
Again no previous knowledge of Mecca and nothing on the very existance of the Djinn at that time.
Whether these were created through religious belief by other's or not, I know you dont mess with them. I definately had nothing to do with their creation.
All I saw was man and beast in harmony and it was really pleasant to feel the ambience.
This was the message I was allowed to bring back, 'be good (if this is your religion) as Mecca waits for those who are....'
Those who know the rest will know. It's not my religion and never has been so unless someone here knows it's meaning, I'm stumped on this one.
Xanth does have a point. Most of the effects on controlling are your own creation. The religious belief system of heaven and hell is one we all know of. The effects of thought manifestation with this will give a self policing effect. If you're guilty of bad things and think on them reversing, they may manifest into your reality frame. Expect the X, you'll likely find the X.
There's enough policing already, emotions fear and expectations do a fine job.
:-) Collective Unconscious :-)
If we expect the white house to be guarded (which is not unreasonable, given that the white house is known to be physically guarded), you just don't have one person believing that it's guarded- you have everyone unconsciously knowing it's guarded, because it's the unconscious expectation that everyone has, not just one person.
So yes, it's guarded- by what is known as a tulpa/egregor/thoughtform.
Can the power of disbelief defeat them? I don't know- if you are projecting and are wondering about that, you are already giving the thoughtform strength- if you 'accidentally' end up there and find it guarded (like it happened to me once) you don't have time to analyze the situation and try to find a way around it- you just get going while the going's good, and then figure out what happened.
If someone plans such a visit and has a specific strategy to go around this, please let us know how you did.