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[Reb3LAng3L (Theron)]

  hi everyone! my namt is theron (the-ron) lol and i would like to say that this site seems awesome.
though now I would like to express my concern and curiosty on my life as a whole,... i believe that i am.. something diffrent.. why? because its been proven to me and i can also prove it to others. (message me for further details on that specifically) Now i have astralled many times before,.. attained knowledge through this,. and my astral experiences can be seen as a mix of Dreams, Visions, annnnd astral form.
i have been attacked, jumped, spoken too, etc my astral experiences are very,... similiar to battles with good and evil and the world after the rapture,.. so,. im hoping i can get somethings cleared up? and maybe get some understanding on whats going on. Any help is valuable.. so maybe i can share some of my astral experiences?
i will go into deeper detail jsut ask,.. theres alot of them.


1 got attacked by  ever since i was little
2 prayed for God to bring me into his plan when i hit my senior year of highschool
3 3 nights after my 17th birthday i got attacked by two  this one was serious
4 met a group of people who are like me and told me about another part of Gods -plan
5 i learned to half astral (while awake) and touh and move things
6 learned how to astral at night whiile sleepin
7 was able to make a spiritual weapon to fight with,..
8 got jumped by two incubi and one tried to take over my body
9 i stopped astralling by my own choice
10 every astral experience after wasnt of concious decision
12 visions/dreams/astrals of the future,.. etc
13 left the group one became too logical for his own good and denied God
14 stopped getting attacked as much reading my bible,..
15 no attacks but still able to see hear and be bothered by spirits
16 now i cannot stop astralling... they happen about every night... and God seems to be calling me back to him... so i can start his plan for me.. im scared and in need of help...

[Pauli2]

have u tried to communicate with the ?

[Reb3LAng3L (Theron)]

no other than praying for it to go away or denying it power or entry into the area no,.. ive always had an empath ability,.. that is super strong... to the point where i can see and feel peoples emotions through words and pictures even without punctuation, but demons arent really worth talking to lol the closest conversation ive had with one was one who thanked me for being so persistent with God and not being intimidated by his associates...

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

Reb3LAng3L,
It seems that your religious influences have directly affected the state you enter when you have an OBE.

For instance: The idea of "hell" stems from entities reliving portions of their life after having passed on. The BST they now find themselves in is created by their own expectations and memories from life. They continually loop through their memories (which aren't favorable in this case) and find themselves reliving their unworthy decisions and actions during their life. To the entity it truly is a "hell".

In your case however, you wake up from your BST's created at night (considering the fact that you inhabit a physical body).

I don't mean to attack your beliefs (as this is only my opinion).
Your experiences with "God's Plan" and meeting a group of people like yourself stem from your praying to God- You believed these events would come true, and they did--- but they may only be a manifestation of your inner beliefs, ideas, and wishes.

There may be something deeper here happening, but you're mistaking it for demons and bothering spirits approaching you in the name of god. Possibly they are trying to contact you for something else entirely?? OR they are thought forms created by biased views. Either-or, they appear to you how you'd expect.

I'd like to address #8

8 got jumped by two incubi and one tried to take over my body

Under no circumstances is it possible for another entity to take over your body. This again is caused by your views and possibilities of astral projection.

The only thing i can say is to should remain open to all possibilities. Keep your thoughts on the manner unbiased. Open up to everything. Even consider extremes such as God not existing, because for all we know (which is very slim) maybe "it" does not.
During your next astral experience focus on visiting higher realms with helpful beings. In your experiences you may either be getting stuck in BST's created by yourself, or are experiencing a negative astral plane where entities wishing to harm us (which they cannot) exist.

[CFTraveler]

Hi Rebelangel.
I have some thoughts on your experiences that you may disagree with, and some advice if you want to take it.  Here goes:

hi everyone! my namt is theron (the-ron) lol and i would like to say that this site seems awesome.
though now I would like to express my concern and curiosty on my life as a whole,... i believe that i am.. something diffrent.. why? because its been proven to me and i can also prove it to others. (message me for further details on that specifically) Now i have astralled many times before,.. attained knowledge through this,. and my astral experiences can be seen as a mix of Dreams, Visions, annnnd astral form.

This is true of any nonphysical experience, and 'astral travelers' simply stay aware when they move on to a nonphysical realm.
However, the astral and mental realms are energetic structures that are shaped by your subconscious, so your belief will sometimes create situations, and sometimes will shape what is already there.  To top it off, you also objectify memories and self-aspects, so it is sometimes very difficult to separate your own beliefs and memories from what is information that does not originate from you.  This is very important to understand.

i have been attacked, jumped, spoken too, etc my astral experiences are very,... similiar to battles with good and evil and the world after the rapture,..

This is typical of people who are starting to have  conscious projections, and this stage can last for years if your fears and beliefs aren't cleaned up.  Most of the time these attacks come from facilitators or self aspects getting you used to nonphysical realities and designed for you to explore your fears and transcend them.  So basically, if you don't transcend those fears (how many times can you get attacked and not die before you get that you can't be killed in the nonphysical?  - That's one example of a lesson about transcending fear.  Another one (religiously based, and one I personally had at first too) is how many times can you be attacked by demonic looking and sounding beings and not die or go crazy?  This in my case was a lesson in not fearing that which you have been taught to fear, and move on to more constructive reaction (like Pauli's Pure Unconditional Love broadcasting), etc.
Once you transcend those beliefs your experiences begin to change, but if they become more entrenched (being attacked reinforces beliefs in powerful demonic beings, for example) this will cause your experiences to continue until you realize you are invulnerable and stop fearing them, even in the biblical sense of the word.

1 got attacked by   ever since i was little

... And you did not die.  Lesson 1.

2 prayed for God to bring me into his plan when i hit my senior year of highschool

It's always good to pray to God, I'm all for that.  However, in my case praying for understanding is more to the point, because God's plan has no limitations.  Your awareness is the difference.  My opinion, obviously.
However, if I 'interpret' your words from a religious standpoint, I would guess you think God wants you to fight.  So you are actually asking for these negative experiences, it seems to me.

6 learned how to astral at night whiile sleepin

That's what happens to everyone while they sleep naturally, you don't have to learn that.

8 got jumped by two incubi and one tried to take over my body

Technically, incubi are sexual predators, and they don't 'take over' anything, they simply influence your reaction.  

9 i stopped astralling by my own choice
10 every astral experience after wasnt of concious decision

You mean you want to stop it, but it still happens to you, from what I read below.

15 no attacks but still able to see hear and be bothered by spirits

Why does this bother you?  BTW, if you mean as you're going to sleep these are more than likely not spirits, but hypnagogic hallucinations.  Or, dreams starting to happen when you're going to sleep.  Even though I believe it's possible to hear M-Band noise (astral thought noise from everyone) when you're going to sleep, some of that stuff comes from your own brain.  So you may be interpreting it as 'spirits' when it's mostly not.  

16 now i cannot stop astralling... they happen about every night... and God seems to be calling me back to him... so i can start his plan for me.. im scared and in need of help...

Ok, a few ideas for you to ponder:
Everyone's focus shifts as they go to sleep.  So everybody 'astrals' when they sleep, and when they're awake too, but they're not aware of it.  Think of it like this- you have a physical body that you see and feel the physical world with.  But that body can be broken down to cells, molecules, and down to pure energy.  You are energy, but don't think of yourself that way because you're used to thinking of yourself as your body.
Your mind is like that- your astral body is in the astral, your mental body is in the mental, and so on, whether you are focused in those or not, you are.
God is always calling everyone- because you are part of God's plan whether you like it or not.  But the fact is- do you think God's plan is negative in nature?  Do you think God wants you to suffer?  These are very important question that will determine what kind of experiences you will have.
Everyone projects, you are just aware of this.  Just as you are aware of your projections, you have to realize that  "God calling or testing" isn't necessarily negative- if you read the Bible with a critical mind you realize that there is a lot more about love and forgiveness in it than about smiting and fighting and vengeance and all that.  In fact Jesus himself said so "I come to bring you a new commandment..." you know the rest.
So have you considered that the experiences you are having are meant to be transcended, that you need to move from fear to hate to understanding and finally to Love?  When you realize that Fear is not the ultimate reason for your experiences, maybe you can move away from negative experiences to positive ones.
Just consider this please.

BTW, if you are having projections that are uncontrolled and you can't stop, learn "Tactile Imaging", more specifically sponging, and once you've mastered it, use it when you feel you are taken against your will.  Sponge whatever limb feels like it's being used to pull you out, and this will help redirect the energy to your intention to control the experience- back to you.

[Reb3LAng3L (Theron)]

wow thnk you all for your answers! they are very helpful but step one?

what is OBE and BST

and

This is typical of people who are starting to have  conscious projections, and this stage can last for years if your fears and beliefs aren't cleaned up.  Most of the time these attacks come from facilitators or self aspects getting you used to nonphysical realities and designed for you to explore your fears and transcend them.  So basically, if you don't transcend those fears (how many times can you get attacked and not die before you get that you can't be killed in the nonphysical?  - That's one example of a lesson about transcending fear.  Another one (religiously based, and one I personally had at first too) is how many times can you be attacked by demonic looking and sounding beings and not die or go crazy?  This in my case was a lesson in not fearing that which you have been taught to fear, and move on to more constructive reaction (like Pauli's Pure Unconditional Love broadcasting), etc.
Once you transcend those beliefs your experiences begin to change, but if they become more entrenched (being attacked reinforces beliefs in powerful demonic beings, for example) this will cause your experiences to continue until you realize you are invulnerable and stop fearing them, even in the biblical sense of the word.

thank you i would like to say that the attacks did as they were supposed to which was make me lose confidence... i dont believe in demons having significant power but that attack was new to me so i lost my confidence i actually knew how to fight in spirit form and defend myself,.. i used a sword i formed to cut a succubus and when i did thats when i had gotten hit by something and then the paralysis came as soon as the fear made me return to my own body,.. so i see that this does make sense,.. alot that God meant it when he said i could do what he did and greater i just need faith,.. period right? ok that cleared up alot

... And you did not die.  Lesson 1.

right... my angels (johnathan , Taunya , Helios) told me they wouldnt let me.. but i believe that was for the physical part of it i was told before that i couldnt die in spirit form

It's always good to pray to God, I'm all for that.  However, in my case praying for understanding is more to the point, because God's plan has no limitations.  Your awareness is the difference.  My opinion, obviously.
However, if I 'interpret' your words from a religious standpoint, I would guess you think God wants you to fight.  So you are actually asking for these negative experiences, it seems to me.

to be honest i dislike conflict but i am very protective,.. and i often have astral journeys that i feel land me in a place that is another persons dream... and i see beings that i recondnize as evil and i end up fighting them,
the place may be new or i may have never even been there,.. but i have specifically never asked to fight other than prayer and what im used to

Why does this bother you?  BTW, if you mean as you're going to sleep these are more than likely not spirits, but hypnagogic hallucinations.  Or, dreams starting to happen when you're going to sleep.  Even though I believe it's possible to hear M-Band noise (astral thought noise from everyone) when you're going to sleep, some of that stuff comes from your own brain.  So you may be interpreting it as 'spirits' when it's mostly not. 

you are most right i find myself seeing things but brushing them off because i feel im jsut overreacting and i was told that fear is what causes things like that to happpen and that its even possible to form a negative entity from my own stress.,.. ?




i would also like to know why i feel things as if they are real in astral form just last night i had a fight with  a boy whom i had never seen before in a hallway of my school in spirit form and we fist fought i fought well and whenever i hit him or got hit? i felt it,.. and i actually believe i am overcoming fear i recently had an astral projection where i met a demon and even though at first i was scared and shaky in my voice i began to pray and run and jump at it gaining confidence and it ran..  and like i said last night the fight with the boy was very intense and i didnt seem scared  they (him and 2 others) were speaking on jumping me (because its happened before in real life and i sometimes fear it) and i truned the corner and took him on doing my best to prove my worth and that i dont like to be bothered. i dont mean to be a bother but thanks for helpping me ! and i was also thinking ok... if these things come from my imagination? how can i imagine places i have never seen? and im currently being taught to go to my own spirit world,.. also known as a place that i can be alone but do anything... i envisioned it and began to be pulled into it even though i was concious,.. m freind told me a i did it right and he then invited me to his,.. when i got there i began to see the guardian of his area and the other beings in his place and i often have the base of it right what i mean by base is say your staring at an orange flower with a bee on the left side  i would se it even though im no where near you and end up sayin something like ? there is a flower with a bug,.... it may be red or orange,.. and " etc.. like im always close but on rarely i am completly right and many times this is because i second guess my answer,... there is also a thing i can do,.. i beleive its part of my emptah ability ,.. say we are on the phone... i can sometimes see glimpses of you,.. know when you are smiling (without hints) upset or thoughtful etc,.. i can see colors on auras,.. and know what they mean etc,. its so much,.. wow lol im glad i found this site

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

what is OBE and BST

OBE= Out of Body Experience
BST= Belief System Territory (a place manifested by one's own thoughts, and structured according to an individuals thoughts)

[Reb3LAng3L (Theron)]

BST= Belief System Territory (a place manifested by one's own thoughts, and structured according to an individuals thoughts)

so my bst would be what i described the guy teaching me to go into?

this??

and im currently being taught to go to my own spirit world,.. also known as a place that i can be alone but do anything... i envisioned it and began to be pulled into it even though i was concious,.. m freind told me a i did it right and he then invited me to his,.. when i got there i began to see the guardian of his area and the other beings in his place

[Rudolph]

This is typical of people who are starting to have  conscious projections, and this stage can last for years if your fears and beliefs aren't cleaned up.  Most of the time these attacks come from facilitators or self aspects getting you used to nonphysical realities and designed for you to explore your fears and transcend them.

Yes, some of this is typical. I see this sort of question posted on a regular basis to nearly every metaphysical type forum I have gone to. These inner events are not all that unusual. Extreme reactions and delusional, egotistical interpretations are a little more rare but common enough to be recognizable.

I would suggest going to the library and getting a few books on Jungian psychology and dreamwork.

I know that in the Catholic Church there are trained spiritual guidance counselors who know how to work with these situations and they are a LOT cheaper than a degreed therapist.

[Pauli2]

so my bst would be what i described the guy teaching me to go into?

No, a BST is a place where discarnates may end up. It's part of Monroe's Focus Levels:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_pulse_island/be_careful-t31703.0.html;msg269685#msg269685

and

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/what_is_f11_f12_etc-t34163.0.html;msg282857#msg282857

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

No, a BST is a place where discarnates may end up. It's part of Monroe's Focus Levels:

During our sleep at night we can enter our own BST's though, the only difference is we don't continuously loop through them.

so my bst would be what i described the guy teaching me to go into?

Aspects of your BST would be your creation of good vs. evil battles in the astral, where you find yourself being beaten up or fighting others, and the  .

[Pauli2]

During our sleep at night we can enter our own BST's ...

What's ur reference?

The concept of BST is that it's several consensus areas of many people according to Monroe, and BST is defined as being F 24, F 25 & F 26.

During sleep u are in F 22 most of the time.

[CFTraveler]

The concept of BST is that it's several consensus areas of many people according to Monroe, and BST is defined as being F 24, F 25 & F 26.

During sleep u are in F 22 most of the time.

Hi Pauli.
The OP was referring to involuntary projections, amongst other things, so I think it's possible that some of his experiences were seeded by BST impressions, or M-Band noise.
I'm not sure how the other posters came to this conclusion, I'm just basing this on his first post for this opinion.