THE BORDOM STAGE

SilverSlider · July 28, 2003, 02:23:34

I'm not sure if this is common but I experienced it too. Don't get too frustrated because, at least from my experience, it doesn't last forever. I seemed to have a sort of plateau in my development but I decided to be patient and wait it out. After a while I started developing again then I experienced new things which increased my attention. Maybe some more experienced people can give a little more input. Just hang in there for now.

Brad

WalkerInTheWoods · July 28, 2003, 05:02:50

First see that button on the left side of your key board that says Caps Lock. Hit it. Thank you.

Now, what is too long to you? Saying too long really does not tell me anything. If you are concentrating for 3 hours then I would say I can understand. If 5 minutes then there is a problem. If the latter then you need to just relax and clear your mind. If you are bored then your mind is not really clear. You should be neither bored nor excited really. If it is several hours, then I suggest you take a break about every hour and go do something for a bit. If you still feel like it come back and try again for another hour. Usually if nothing has happened within 45 minutes - 1 hour nothing is going to happen. So unless you are just wanting to meditate or do energy work take a break and try again in a few minutes.

Tisha · July 28, 2003, 06:12:29

If you're trying to join the OBE ranks looking for excitement you've chosen the wrong hobby! It sounds paradoxical, but to experience the mind-blowing effects of a true-blue OBE you must conquer, or shall I say transcend, boredom.

Consider boredom a reliable signpost. You're actually getting there! It's a good thing, it's OK. If you get spun up and frustrated over it you've missed the point.

Rather, passively note it, accept it, and keep on meditating - - - - the same way you should react to anything else you experience on your way to OBE (i.e., noises, imagery, etc.).

Also, give up on concentration. It's exhausting and it doesn't lend itself well to the OBE experience. You're better off clearing out your head gently, while keeping your awareness close by.

TorosDead · July 28, 2003, 16:18:50

Thanks Tisha... that makes sense. I will try using as a signpost from now on. But what do you mean give up on concentration. From what I've read and been told concentration is a key ingedient (quoted from Robert Bruce in an e-mail).

beavis · July 28, 2003, 17:20:23

boredom or excitement? The best way to do anything paranormal is to be NEUTRAL about everything.

Tisha · July 29, 2003, 05:45:12

Concentration . . . actually it might just be semantics. I certainly agree that a certain deliberateness, a definite focus, almost a stubbornness (i.e., I won't give up, I will do this, I'll keep on meditating no matter what, I'll stick with this program!) is essential. If that's what Mr. Bruce means by concentration, I understand that.

I guess when I think of concentration, I think of the brain-pain one gets while, for instance, wrestling with a gnarly math problem. I don't think this is the kind of concentration Mr. Bruce means. This kind of brain work is exhausting. Also, concentration implies control. Control is what you have to GIVE UP to be able to OBE, in my opinion. "Staying in control" will keep you in-body.

I had the "vibrations" this morning but didn't remember an OBE (Mr. Bruce would attribute this to "brain split;" i.e., I had one, but the memories didn't register). I wasn't concentrating at all. It was more like a total surrender.

I was FOCUSED on the experience, but I was not concentrating. In fact, I was probably focused too much on my physical self, that's why I didn't have an OBE last night.

At any rate, perhaps to many people, focus and concentration are the same thing, but they're not to me. Maybe if someone could explain how concentrating could help me reach an OBE state I'd change my mind.

I hope this makes sense.

KP · July 29, 2003, 06:12:19

boredom comes from knowledge. if you pass through boredom it'll lead to great mysteries. aceept it! it doesn't hurt to be bored.

Frère · July 29, 2003, 09:04:33

I have also something to say for contribution:
First, thanx trisha for your point of view talks to me a lot.
I would say there are So Many things that actually happen in your body when you work on projection, that I think you can always find something to observe that will keep you from any boredom... My own problem is thinking too much, and I agree that focusing means controling yourself and thus staying in your body, actually that's what happend to me many times, and this is probably the reason why I can't get an OBE before I fall asleep and dream, I am too aware of being here, so I don't get a chance to get there... maybe that's what happens to you?...

Tisha · July 29, 2003, 09:21:57

Yup! The vibrations hit and I think OH MON DIEU I'M HAVING AN OBE!!! DON'T SCREW IT UP! And I simply pay too much attention to my physical self. And then it's all over.

The last time that I OBE'd successfully, the vibrations hit and I thought, CALMLY, "ok, here I go again, I think I'll just sink into it and let whatever happen." I let myself completely flop, meaning my body became as limp as a rag doll and I totally surrendered to the experience. Then I felt a strong YANK and all of a sudden I was hovering near the ceiling! I had all sorts of visual distortions, but I was out. My body felt as real to me as it does now.

dino333 · July 29, 2003, 20:28:29

I find that after I clear my mind and attempt at projecting for a while I just get the strong sense that I don't want to this anymore. It's wierd. Not frustration, I've gotten past that. Not boredom. Could it be fear? Somewhere in my mind could I be afraid of this?

jc84corvette · July 29, 2003, 21:54:28

quote:
Originally posted by Tisha

Yup! The vibrations hit and I think OH MON DIEU I'M HAVING AN OBE!!! DON'T SCREW IT UP! And I simply pay too much attention to my physical self. And then it's all over.

The last time that I OBE'd successfully, the vibrations hit and I thought, CALMLY, "ok, here I go again, I think I'll just sink into it and let whatever happen." I let myself completely flop, meaning my body became as limp as a rag doll and I totally surrendered to the experience. Then I felt a strong YANK and all of a sudden I was hovering near the ceiling! I had all sorts of visual distortions, but I was out. My body felt as real to me as it does now.

The last trance that I had, had MASSIVE viberations. I felt my self sinking into my bed for the first time. My other trances, I did not sink nor were the viberations that powerfull as my last trance.

That last trance I had, I found my self saying something like "Oh my god this is so powerfull, yet so awsome". Lucky me I controlled my self and it lasted a little bit longer. But I tried to rope and it messed up:(.

Frère · July 30, 2003, 03:30:27

dino
I'm sure it actually is fear.
Often these days, I find plenty of things to do in the evening, just because I started to have vivid dreams lucid dreams and OBEs... it makes of my bedroom some kind of adventure place, and when I just feel lazy, I have tendency to evitate sleeping... twisted hu!?

TorosDead · July 27, 2003, 23:40:52

I HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING AN OBE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I CAN DO VERY WELL AT ENERGY WORK AND CONCENTRATION. THE THING IS, WHEN I CONCENTRATE TOO LONG I GET REALLY BORED AND DON'T FEEL LIKE WAITING ANY LONGER FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN. IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO KEEP FROM GETTING SO BORED WHILE STILL HOLDING CONCENTRATION, FOR INSTANCE CONCENTRATING ON SOMETHING SIMPLE BUT INTERESTING?

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