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[Tayesin]

Hi Untouch.

It may simply be the normal human response to something new, unexplained, the fear of the unknown that we have all experienced. You are in good company, if the truth be told, the majority of people have some form of fear during there first OBE's.  Particularly if they just happen without you wanting them to. So maybe the feeling of not having the control also raises a fear?

There are a lot of things we don't know concerning what the experience will be like when we are first having them.  And that can easily be a little scarey. So I would think that the more you worked with it, the more the fear will diminish.

Love always.

[clandestino]

Hi Untouch !

You can rest assured that you are not alone. Fear is a big obstacle to success; try reading as much as you can on the subject to get rid of your fears. The next time it happens, hopefully your fear will have gone.

Try to realise that fear is something you create for yourself. Its your natural reaction to an event / situation that your mind perceives as unsafe. If you can persuade yourself that these sensations are not dangerous, you'll be fine.

The next time this happens, try not to be afraid. Just imagine yourself floating upwards. Don't try and force it - just imagine it.

good luck !
Mark

[untouch]

Tnx to both of you.
Problem is that I did not have feeling of floating, but a feeling to be sucked somewhere - fall down, not up. When this happened to me second time, I was prepared - in the meantime, beetwen first and second event, I read a lot of OOBE, I've tried to consciously trigger it (without success:). I am simply not sure if this was begining of OOBE or something different. Something dangerous for me. I've never had such a panic feeling in my life before.

[Monsolith]

Fear isnt only "an obstacle to success" (as you claim you're not so much interested in OBE), but is indeed the greatest source of "bad experiences" and bad feelings like... fear itself. Meaning fear is self nutriting. So the only right thing to do is not to let it begin.

If something is really "sucking you somewhere" then be sure of that : this is for a good and benefic reason. When I read your message I instantly thought about Robert Bruce's experience when a similar sound was the sign of a force calling him to the Atmic Dimension, see this section in his treatise. You'll notice he completed the experience by focusing on what he felt and letting the other things do...

You could prepare yourself mentally. Visualize where you'd like this weird "sucking" to bring you. In the best case, you'll get there astrally. In the worth case, you'll be in a positive state of mind who will let you go where you're "supposed" to go. And be sure it can only be good for you.

[untouch]

Monsolith..I wasn't interested, now I am. You miss my point...I've never even think about OOBE, but after my experience I've searched through www and I became interested. I have to admit I have almost none practic experience so I decided to ask someone who had.
I asure you i've had the feeling that "something suck me somewhere" but I don't believe that is going to suck me to Atmic dimension - first step is astral i suppose. Since I was a little boy I have a strange dreams about flying but this is totaly new experience for me. I'm not gonna lie "I have OOBE" or something like that (sorry but I believe a lot of people do lie.). I am just curious if this was start point. And if was, why such fear, and if this fear was normal, how can so many people achieve astral dimension? Am I coward? I don't think so...at least I hope so. I can relax myself totaly..concentrate too. I can focus myself in darkness in my head and gently flow without thinking at all. I strongly believe this is more then 50% people in this forum can achieve. But those who can...help me.

[clandestino]

Hi untouch !

Floating, being sucked somewhere, whatever - at the end of the day, your physical body is not going anywhere. It is your mind that is acheiving a different state of conciousness, so just try and let it happen.

As Monsolith stated, fear is likely to make frightening things happen. Furthermore, in the astral your emotional state is enhanced, if you like.

With me, I've never experienced the initial sensation of fear. The experience has sometimes taken on quite a frightening nature though.

you said :

quote:But big problem: Why is that feeling so scary that i fight back with all my power??

Ok, consider the difference between a dream, and reality. In a dream, its like you are watching a movie through your own eyes, and you are a part of that movie. In waking reality, you have full control (usually!) of your actions.

You may be at a state of awareness where you believe that you have full control of your actions, but this is not actually the case. I bet that if you were able to recall the words that you are reading now, the sense of fear would disappear and you would either :
a) end up in the astral or,
b) wake up !

[Monsolith]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with Tayesin this is most likely the fear of the unknown, in proportion with what the astral worlds have to offer. Still, previsualizating events as you'd like them to be has always been one of the best way to eliminate superficial fear or anxiety about a given situation, not for any mystical reasons, but only for psychological ones.

My second point is that if some force / entity / whatever you want, maybe your subconscious, is actually attracting you to astral planes or beyond, this is indeed a benefic action... I mention that because a lot of people experimenting "sucking" systematically think this is an evil action... for spiritual reasons I pretend this is always the opposite case, although this opinion is personal

Sorry if I'm not of any help.

[Frère]

And I agree with Monsolith, to say that the sucking is a good move: When you fear, you prevent your teachers from teaching you, be sure they are the one who know where you should be, the sucking might feel much different if you smile to it, My first thought, that started my firs exit sequence was "EVIL IS REAL" and of course some kind of fear, and as I went out of my body, The pictures I saw transformed into something black and not really appealing, but I felt strongly that there were some "people" there concerned by my case, that were going to take me where I had things to learn, alas, in order to calm down, I thought a little too much about my body lying in bed, and were sucked back in it...end of story, see? just go there, then you'll be proud to report. By the way I doubt people lie on this forum, for what's the point in discussing a lie?

[untouch]

quote:Originally posted by Frère

By the way I doubt people lie on this forum, for what's the point in discussing a lie?

Because they wish to have an OOBE from the botom of their hearts and they just want to be equal to you? I do not say that 50% people on this forum lie, i am speaking from my personal experience in real life. You ask some "master buster" and soon you realise you know far more then him, althought you admit you are just a begginer. I hope we understand each other.

Best regards!2

[Frère]

I feel this is a little paranoiac, Surely this kind of way to consider life might bring some suspicious experience in the astral!
) I'm sure you're able to create something really scary!
You don't need to consider anybody like your master: we all are somehow beginners, look: the ROPE method by robert bruce (who is the real master here) many people here are unable to use it... anybody could teach you something, and the real master might not be able to teach you what you need to be taught. YOU are the best master for yourself, (I would rather tell you about the "little voice" in yourself but I'm not sure you would believe me )
Now when you have read some more stories here, you'll notice that much of them are not that glorious, and all of them have the taste of something uncomplete: that's what could make you know that they are not lies, or they are WISE lies... but I'm not sure I free you from what makes you see our world this way... I myself have been very annoyed today, and anybody who would have told me "calm down"... I'm not sure it would have worked!
have a nice go with the forum!

[untouch]

Frère, I totally agree with you that everybody is the best master for himself. I've tried the rope metod, but the best results I've accomplished just by laying in bed and observing darkness in my head..till my head starts to expand. I do not know how to explain further. I am sure that people on this forum can help me with their own experiences and that's the reason I posts here. On the other way I am also sure that there is no unique way for everyone to achieve OOBD - every person is different.
What's the point of all this? I just want to know if my experience was outdoor to OOBD or something else. Has anyone such an experience before?
Next question...when I was younger (cca 10-15 years ago), I've dreamed a lot about places, people...Suddenly, in my dreams, I've realised I was dreaming (lucid dreams?) But look... for example, I sit in a restaurant and eat let say some fish... I can smell the fish, taste it, touch it! And I knew that's a dream... When I wake up, I can remember everything for about couple of hours, then memories go blank. Is it possible to touch things in your dreams? And if is it possible, is it possible then than someone hurts you in your dreams..or you hurt someone? Are we know spirit world well enough...or we are just playing some games?

[Frère]

These are questions that I can handle, and I'm quite happy of that!
First I'm sure your experience of being sucked IS a move of your astral body... sooo it's a feeling that can start an OBE... if you let it! If you struggle, it can last for hours, and your health might suffer from it, so my advise, is to GO where you're wanted to go, anyway you might not be able to reach the place before you come back to your body... but you will the next time!

When you realise that you are dreaming and stay there for awhile: that's called a lucid dream.

And YES of course you can touch things, and so on, only on RTZ you can't touch the walls as far as I've read. But in dream pools, what you think is reality is reality, so if you believe something, this something is such, there might be some distortion though, but maybe the point of this lucid dream was to show you how accurate can be an illusion, I am conviced that what I live in the physical is an illusion, it doesn't make it easier or less acurate... when you project your belief concerning what it is to eat fish in a restaurant in a dream pool, the dream pool is able to give you "satisfaction".

I read somewhere that astral memory was like RAM of a computer: it goes blank after a while, unless you record what happened somewhere else: best is to write down.

We Know the universe quite well what we don't know is how to actually put our knowledge in practice. For example I knew that being afraid was not a good thing, and that thinking about my body would bring me back to it... and anyway I did both, knowing that was not the thing to do. But it's normal to comit mistakes, that's how one learns. YOU have to realise that FEAR is your problem, and then there will be no reason to be afraid, it's tricky, but they all say that fear brings a lot of unpleasant things, you would not stand it for long, and presumably would wake up in shock, but you wouldn't have risked anything for all that! That's the whole point: you have a wonderfull occasion to live a strong experience without the risks that usually go with it: it's called dreaming... projecting only makes it more real.

[Tisha]

Hello Untouch and welcome to the Forums!

The "sucking" feeling is actually normal.  I get it also, although I refer to it as a sinking, very heavy feeling, and sometimes it feels like falling.  Sometimes I feel as though I'm being yanked.

I think you need to get used to it before you feel okay!  Our telling you "don't worry" might help you on an intellectual level (i.e., you know we've been there and we survived!), but it won't change the instinctive terror you'll feel when it happens to YOU.  That just takes time.  

One day you'll think, "here I go again."  And it will almost be boring (almost).  THEN you'll be free to explore the Astral!

It takes a neutral mindset to succeed at OBE.  If you work on remaining neutral and mildly curious, you'll reward yourself with some interesting experiences!

[untouch]

I am new to oobe. I want to ask for explanation of my strange experience (if someone could answer).

It happened to me two times in past couple of months. Suddenly I awake in the middle of the night with sound of bells in my head and I have a feeling that i will fall somewhere. I can not move my body at all and i must use all of my power of will to stay consciousness because i have feeling that something bad is gonna hapen to me. It takes about one minut to regain control of my body. But if I want to continue sleeping, same thing happens almost at once. Strange sounds appears immediatly and i have a feeling than something try to suck me somewhere.I'm  It takes about half an hour that I must stay awake to continue sleep normally.
Before that I have no interests in OOBE. Now I'm reading other people's experiences and I think this could be it. But big problem: Why is that feeling so scary that i fight back with all my power??
When it happened to me second time, I've tried to let myself in, but this strange feeling was too scary, almost panic.

Best regards.