Spirits' Involvment in the Astral & Social Classing

[myst59]

Hello,

  I have made a few observations regarding the astral, and I'm wondering if
others might be able to clarify; or at least comment on their own observations
or beliefs.

  Appears that spirit is always involved in "all" astral activity, and I keep asking
myself why they would want to use our image (astral bodies).  Is it simply that
they are already "in", have taken flesh; and are just fooling around? Sure, spirit
uses humanity to take flesh. Sure, spirit uses the human for a little astral
myschief.  Sure, spirit uses the astral as a mask.

  Spirit also classes humanity, predestines many of our lives; decides who will
be educated and not, white or blue collar, social butterfly or not, even determines
lifespans accordingly.  This is done simply when certain spirits are placed or allowed;
however that goes.... Sure, classing and the illumnati, the elect, always one step
ahead of the middle and lower classes.  Intimidation and exploitation (schemers),
vanity/superiority, where really none of them appear to be very bright (which is but
another scheme).

It's also become obvious to me that the classing system is very obvious to the
spirits; that they know almost instantly who is what class.  How is this done? Is it simply
that the presence of any lower astrals or ugly scavenger types are what establishes the
marker/classing, a flashing sign on his/her back?  Those humans with conscious Astral
attachments would be a red flag, for sure.

Of coarse, in all cases of plurality/possession, it is spirit who lives, not humanity; nor
the astrals...

Please Comment...

Thanks,
myst

[Stookie]

It seems to me that karma would play a role.  If you believe in that kind of thing.

[myst59]

Yea, but whose Karma?  I recently was reading an article referring to
the astral negs as "unjust/unfair karma".  Just that humanity is superceded.
I could see how a spirit or spirit possessed astral might attach himself
(the duo) to someone for a little sadism or payback, or even classing,
resulting in the triad.

Just a prank that went too far?  Just a big smear campaign to try to
conceal the truth of it; and to "take one more"?  Likely, it's just
the nature of the beast.... Nothing better to do....

Again, those with conscious lower astral attachments seem to get the
worst of it, a red flag for sure...

Agree?  Any similar observations or feedback appreciated...

Myst...

[myst59]

Here is the article I was speaking about, astral negs unjustifiable:
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/rags_to_riches.html

[Stookie]

I suggest reading about Ahrimanic beings:
http://betweenbothworlds.blogspot.com/2007/08/ahriman-in-21st-century.html

and Luciferic beings:
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA017/English/GPP1922/GA017_c06.html

This is a good (and complicated) one too:
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/AhrDec_index.html

[liam123]

A long time ago I had asked myself similar questions. It doesn't quite seem fair that a small percentage of the population, have most of the wealth. Even within our modern society of Western Civilization, there are HUGE class differences between one man/woman and another.

I think there has almost grown an anamosity toward wealthy people those who just can't seem to ever get over that hurdle of getting wealthy enough to sit back and relax. Also, I see a VAST difference in American or British/Western Society between Dirt Poor and Well-to-do. Meanwhile, Rich and Well-to-do, aren't suffering say for instance in the health department. A few grand may be the difference between 2 decent front teeth and NONE!

I definitely see in the near future a Revolution, Anarchy of sorts. As I see it, the Wealthier classes protect themselves with laws and actually are feeding opium to the masses in the way of Welfare, Pensions, Free Medicine. Also a lot of other items such as Beer, Drugs, prostitution, and you name it.

I am currently struggling in my life. I see it as clear as day, all the opportunities to go to school, or to develop a business idea... I never saw myself achieving much more than perhaps Well-to-do, but now I sit in the muck of Poverty and I can tell you, it's very very unhappy. In fact it is a downright humbling experience. One would have to imagine this must be Karma. I must deserve this. Or, let's get a bit more evolved, perhaps I have some learning to do. Or, beyond all the spiritual talk, perhaps it's because I just cannot pull my head out of the sand right now. I'm too ill, too tired, and or too lazy. Perhaps a combination of all these things!

I really think that New Age Philosphy or anything of the like falls short in an explanation to us here. I have had numerous opportunities to succeed, but always felt a little demon on my back. It be may be also I have had angels there too, but perhaps it's what I chose to listen to. Do all Beings have equal opportunity to excell? That's not entirely possible dependant on where you are from, what initial cards you are dealt. More over than money, what about Well Being? A disease... Disfigurement, or numerous other possibilities much more decrepid than poverty.

One could debate and write on the subject of "why," forever. My personal opinion is mixed. I do feel that in some way there are things to be learned from adversity. There are plenty of Wealthy/Healthy individuals that are not fulfilled. Likewise for Poor/Unhealthy... Purely on a cash basis, given a fairly healthy body and enviroment........I do feel that something can be learned from the Hermatic LifeStyle. That those who have nothing, truly can let go. I do not mean without the basics but I see that often toys, cash comfort, etc....make men/women lazy and complacent. Weak in fact

This is really a tough subject though, and when someone is not well due to their inability to cope with poverty there seems no excuses for what a hell that can be. I know in my past lives, my fortunes have been mixed. It does seem that opportunity follows through lifetimes, perhaps souls are not all interested in being born in Western Societies, and I do think it's choice. There are some god forsaken third world societies, but some are actually in their own way appealing.

So lesser or greater a being.. Astral Involvement? None! A mind/body/soul of strength/will/decency a thing no money, no breeding, no belief can buy

[CFTraveler]

Hmm, there are a few concepts sprinkled throughout the whole that seems to be accepted at face value, and I don't understand why.
For example, in the original question:

Appears that spirit is always involved in "all" astral activity, and I keep asking
myself why they would want to use our image (astral bodies).

First of all, there is a presupposition that spirit and astral are different things, and that human/physical are different.  Yet most observations of the astral that I have experienced/read about would indicate that what we call spirit and astral and physical are aspects of the same thing: Life.  Life can express physically as a variety of things, trees, slugs, mosquitoes, animals, humans. And as far as I'm concerned, when I project or when I dream, what I see is versions of all of the above.

Is it simply that
they are already "in", have taken flesh; and are just fooling around? Sure, spirit
uses humanity to take flesh. Sure, spirit uses the human for a little astral
myschief.  Sure, spirit uses the astral as a mask.

This I don't understand at all.  The astral is a state; we perceive the astral the way we understand.  You may see something negative as a spider while I may see the same energy as a roach.  The reason for this 'informing' is that you may be afraid (or heavily dislike) spiders while I may heavily dislike roaches.  It's not that they 'take' form, it's that we give them form.
And yet, the smarter ones, may be able to change form at will- but usually, if they are negative, they will probably take the form out of our thoughts.  So we're forming them, after all.

Something else that jumped out at me:

A long time ago I had asked myself similar questions. It doesn't quite seem fair that a small percentage of the population, have most of the wealth. Even within our modern society of Western Civilization, there are HUGE class differences between one man/woman and another.

Class struggles are part of living in any structured society- it is fashionable to bash western society because of it's capitalist base but tell anyone from a Pariah family in India when the caste system was in vogue that they had it better than a poor person in almost any ghetto and they may tell you different.  The caste system is the perfect example of a well-meaning idea gone terribly wrong and the way it got entrenched given the apparent value system of a very wise people.

I think there has almost grown an anamosity toward wealthy people those who just can't seem to ever get over that hurdle of getting wealthy enough to sit back and relax. Also, I see a VAST difference in American or British/Western Society between Dirt Poor and Well-to-do.

Do you mean that poor brits are different than poor americans, or something altogether different?  Because if you, say, have ever gone to Haiti (and I have) poverty there is much worse than poverty here in the states.  So I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here.

Meanwhile, Rich and Well-to-do, aren't suffering say for instance in the health department. A few grand may be the difference between 2 decent front teeth and NONE!

Of course, here in the states it takes money to go to a doctor, because there is no socialized medicine- but the US, one of the richest countries in the west (not the richest, though) have one of the worst infant mortality rates in industrialized countries.  So once again, it's not how it seems.

I recently saw a poll on the US versus other industrialized countries, and it turns out the US isn't the richest, the best educated or the healthiest.  Even though the US was pretty high up in the money dept, in everything else we weren't even in the top 10.  I'm not sure what this proves, though, if anything at all.

[myst59]

None of us are what we should have been,
would have been, or could have been.  This
is due to the fact that spirit has all of us
side-tracked; and are using humanity for
their own indulgence (flesh), to their own
agenda. Our own minds/creativity is quite
neutralized, being held in captivity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder

myst....

   

[AndrewTheSinger]

"No longer does the light which shone for the world appear in it, according to my will. And when Nature had said that its wish was fulfilled, then every form was engulfed by the waters in prideful ignorance. She (i.e. Nature) turned her dark vagina and cast from her the power of fire which was in her from the beginning through the practice of the Darkness. It (masc.) lifted itself up and shone upon the whole world instead of the righteous one. And all her forms sent forth a power like a flame of fire up to heaven as a help to the corrupted light, which had lifted itself up. For they were members of the chaotic fire. And she did not know that she had harmed herself. When she cast forth the power, the power which she possessed, she cast it forth from the genitals. It was the demon, a deceiver, who stirred up the womb in every form -.  And in her ignorance, as if she were doing a great thing, she granted the demons and the winds a star each. For without wind and star nothing happens upon the earth. For every power is filled by them after they were released from the Darkness and the fire and the power and the light. For in the place where their darkness and their fire were mixed with each other beasts were brought forth. And it was in the place of the Darkness, and the fire, and the power of the mind, and the light, that human beings came into existence." --- The Paraphrase of Shem

wind = breath of life/living soul
star = body

[myst59]

Here's another from the Hubbard/Parsons Legacy...

Demons incarnate, living as humans in our midst; moving openly and freely, yet undetected by the masses, or even their hosts. Like the spasms of a decapitated body, the fact of the matter, that's precisely what it is; if you really think about it. Their illusions are many, which overtake the sleepwalking masses. Now know that they do take flesh and come among men, to mold a new species.

The new species, all their daughters to be ravished every hour, from their youth. Even ravished by demons while they asleep. She is but a harlot, her many bedfellows, yet sweet and innocent to those who know her not. All of her whoredoms shall be kept hidden from the rest of her bedfellows. Cast out your nasty whores, and burn her clothes, and then I will come and dwell amongst you......

Yea, right...... A total destruction and re-engineering of the entire human race (a new species). Causing/beguiling children to subconsciously summon satan, for power and/or money, yet the truth of it is that it is the spirits who live, planning their own lives, just playing around with our minds, as a prank, a joke, to laugh, to snicker, as a sport. Haven't we all been there? This truly defines the mystery of fornication, and the sanctity of the religious whore. Imagine such a family, your neighbors, or even five generations alive and present, of the same. The mother smiles, snarls, proudly, audibly and visibly, brags about the fact that she taught her children nothing; no decency, no moral values, no laws, no character, loose as a goose, easy as pie. Now realize that we are all born into this snare, captivity/zombie/as livestock/as produce, to mold the new species. Urged with lusts, for lace, perfumes, fetishes, and to eat of her dainties; urged to "party". Yea, they say, "Who shall see it??" Yea, they say, "Die young, and stay pretty!".

[liam123]

One of the responces I recieved was basically without philosphy or theology. I would prefer on the subject of wealth and whether we deserve it due to our evolution as Spirits to slightly remain on the basic facts. i.e. we earned it due to our generosity in our past lives. Even if that contradicts everything I just wrote.

And so very often everything is a contradiction, because I cannot believe that one belief fits all here. It's from perspective, and we all see the world through our own eyes/ideas and beliefs. Whatever they may be, they are still as I may have lured off topic a bit, getting a little too wild...basic...
once again


Truly and Sincerely, to say that Spiritual Evolution and the Astral Plane are intertwined is a bit weak. That there are layers of higher evolvement reserves for a privledged few is biased and even perhaps Religionisct(my made up word)
To say that we challenge ourselves and our own evolvement as beings by putting up adversity and placing us in various scenarios to see how we would do would be more down to earth.. more realistic..

The West could feed the Third World, educate it and cloth it. It simply will not.. The Betterment of man really doesn't concern most people. The few it does, put a bandaid on the problem, but the majority rules and it's usually what counts, the majority.

My deeper meaning was that when all souls encourage each other to grow and strive for perfection, in the best way they know how. Teachers and Students perhaps the world will resemble something more ideal. Though I feel it's lagging behind greatly the knowledge that has accumulated. Religion outside of this basic philosphy/ideal

There are trillions of incidents, examples and places where this would be right

[myst59]

liam,
  Regarding your concern about wealth, are you aware of the
fact that many spiritualists summon or conjure spirits in order
to guide them into wealth?  There are even claims that one
can summon knomes (fairies) to bring them all the treasures
or wealth that they may require.  Networking is another way
to do this, join the Masons...
  Also keep in mind that your financial status may turn out to be
a blessing, the only way that you were able to do the work that
you've accomplished; and to stay on track.
myst...