The Astral Pulse

I've got to add something to what Tayesin has said.

For those of you who are not familiar with me, I'm an OBE grey contactee. I had plans for writing a book of my own with regards to empathic healing and awareness. Well, that went out the window when I fell under psychic attack and demonic possession...I believe by the entity Tayesin describes. That was five years ago and still going. Tayesin is getting ready to try to see what is happening to me since everything I pick up is Neg influenced and unreliable. He works through MSN Messenger. As I was downloading it Sunday, US Eastern Standard Time, my hard drive suddenly, physically crashed. I was already annoyed because I knew it was going to have to pay to get it fixed ($233, a fortune for me right now if you knew what's happened to me). Apparently more was going to happen later than night.

Sunday night/Monday morning US Eastern Standard Time, I believe the greys tried to pick me up. Got the usual buzzing in my skull that comes whenever they come. It was stopped because I woke up, (or something forced me awake, not sure). They wanted me to go with them... they also wanted me to speak with another contactee that was allegedly there. I said, "No, I'm not going to do this. My brain is all screwed up from all the Neg enforced channeling, brain washing, manipulation, etc. Every time I have contact, it's Neg tainted and very hard to unravel/remove." I told them if they wanted to talk to me they would have to go see Tayesin and speak to him first.

Hey Tayesin,

even if it would only be a dream it would have a lot to reveal... but anyhow these entities (red dots on the globe) are not in the physical world, only in the astral world. Do I understand you correctly?

As to you Dark Knight, may I suggest you to light a candle and ask these entities to leave you alone ! Or make a prayer to God to chase these entities and help you while you light the candle (depending on your belief system of course). It seems that prayers work, even if it is only the power of your will, since the will can be very powerfull. I even once praid for a 'witch' who practiced too much and got into a very bad situation (psychologically speaking). She was drained from her energy and was almost suicidal. She was not afraid to attempt to hurt herself. And it seems that a candle with a prayer helped her, at least that what she said. She is now probably back to wicca practices...

May the Light be with you!

Hi All,

Dark, thank you for sharing with absolute honesty, I do appreciate it very much.

Shaman, This was not a dream as I was not sleeping.  I was simply responding to the invitation, although I would have thoroughly prepared for the journey as usual except this time I was told we did not have time for the preparations.  

The thousands of red dots on the world hologram showed where the physical real-time bases of this race exist in our world.  So I would think that this little fact alone says much about the events to come......be very aware and very prepared my friend.

Love Always.[:)]

Dear Tay,

What are these Reptillians going to do to us?

Is the "commitee" at the meeting humans allies?

How do I prepair?

Tay my msn is jc84corvette@hotmail.com Pleas contact me

I would have stayed for the whole meeting if I were you Tay, I forgott to add that [:I]


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ya and just what the hell are the people who dont know about this going to? this is similar the war topic, everyone is woried about it and wondering what to do. well how do we prepare for this, will it even involve those who dont believe? t

thanx,
T_Kman0610

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Originally posted by Tayesin


Hi All,
I had the most interesting experiences yesterday and last night so I decided to share them with you.  It is a bit long but interesting anyway.  So here goes........

Monday 29 September 2003.

Approximately 5 to @ 6 pm.(AEST)

   While online I got a tightening sensation that signifies to me some sort of presence or communication.  I tried to block it with a screening method but it only dulled and did not stop completely.   So I opened to it and asked to be shown who or what was attempting to communicate with me,  at first I could see the eyes of a typical alien,  who said,  "We are ready to work with you now,  you must project to us in order to meet."   I agreed that I would do it that night and expected the communication feeling to end, but it did not.   Again I opened to see who was there and saw a man about 45 to 50 with dark hair who said,  "Why are you interferring with what I am doing?"   I answered,  " I am only trying to help those who have asked for help."   He then said,  "You will lose,  you're going down."   Then he too left,  I felt he was the man responsible for some of the psychic attacks that some forum members are having.   The feeling of contact did not end there either,  so someone else was in touch with me at some level.   I did not have the freedom to pursue it any further as my daughter required my attention at the same time.

   Today, 30th September I received a private message form a member of the Astral Pulse Forum who wanted to know if I had helped him to get out of body.  I read the message and he said, "Sunday sep28 night (technically monday) around 3am eastern time.   I met an entity that claimed to be you. It gave me lots of energy,  helped me get out of body, and showed me some things that would be very hard to describe. I dont remember either of us having any form.   We were more spread out. If that was you, can we do it again?   It was more like sharing energy than you giving it to me.   I produced the most energy I've produced in many months and gave some to you and whoever else was around. If that was you."

   This seemed to answer the question of who else was in contact with me at that time, as I had checked on the world clock to see what time it would have been here and it was within the time-frame that I felt the communications happening.  

   So now back to the previous night..... I waited for the night when I would be able to give my full attention to the first contactee.  At 9:15 pm my time,  I sat and began to prepare to journey out and see what the Alien wanted from me.   One of my Guides came and said,  "We do not have time for that,  we are late already.   Just project your awareness,  let's go."   I did as he suggested and was soon approaching the largest 'ship' I have ever seen,  it was massive,  about the size of the first ships depicted in the movie "Independence Day".

   I wanted to check it out but had no time for frivolities !   My guide led me in and the first thing I noticed was a human male dressed in a uniform who bowed to us.  I questioned why a human was aboard this ship and was told,  "This is a Federation Ship,  there are all kinds on-board."   We quickly moved on to something I would describe as an elevator,  and entered it while my Guide said he would wait for me to return.   The elevator rose at phenomenal speed and very quickly came to a stop,  the door(s) opened and there waiting for me was a tall,  pale-grey Alien who telepathically said,  "Come with me,  we are ready for you now."   And he led me to what looked like a normal office type board room,  with oval table and chairs all around it.   One other being was waiting and he refused to speak with me,  I got the feeling from him that he was not particularly friendly to us humans.

   I waited just a couple of seconds and then heard my name called,  and noted also that it is not the name I have in my current life.  One wall of the room slid open to reveal a huge auditorium sized room,  circular in shape,  with seating around the outside and what appeared to be a gigantic round table in the middle.   I heard,  "Please take your seat",  and immediately knew what seat was mine,  I could see it clearly,  as if I had sat there many times before.   I made my way around the circle to my seat and calmly sat while waiting for the meeting to start.   It was extremely quiet, except for my thoughts.  I was reminded to screen my thoughts as it was like I was yelling out in the room !!  I tried to do so,  while the meeting started.

   A being from a race that I had seen once during my first kundalini awakening stood up and approached the table at the same time that an approximately thirty foot diameter hologram of Earth appeared above the table.   What took my attention was the thousands of red dots all over the globe.   The being who had stood up began to communicate to the gathering,  explaining that the red dots indicated where the underground/undersea bases existed for the Reptilian's.   And that their plans for processing the human inhabitants was well advanced.   This meeting was to find a way to deal with the threat that would not cause an escalation in hostilities.

   One being suggested simply attacking and destroying the Dark Forces,  but that was answered with,  "Should we choose that option,  the Reptilians will respond with a full-force attack upon that world and us.   We do not have sufficient numbers here as yet to deal with that kind of situation."   Another being asked,  " Could we not destroy them one ship at a time when we see them ?"   And the answer was,  "That action will provoke them to a full-scale attack also.  What we do to deal with this situation must be very well planned and not make any provocations."   Then I was asked to stand and give the message that I had received four years ago when talking with a Reptilian emissary at a place I call the high ground.   I did as they had asked and took my seat again.

   The meeting continued.   I learned that these Reptilians were actively working at bringing about the Armageddon scenario as described in the Bible, that they were also actively involved in producing some large Earthquakes around the planet and that they are here in massive numbers.....although the larger main force is on standby within our Solar System in 'cloaked ships'.

   Then I was told that my services would not be needed for the remainder of the planning session and I could return to my world.   I left and met with the tall pale grey one who spoke with me about a number of things that are happening in my life and left me with one overriding thought as we reached the elevator.   He said,  "Remember this.",  then gave me a huge input of pure Loving energy while saying to my mind that I must remember this is my weapon.   I then entered the elevator for the quick trip down and found my Guide waiting as he said he would.   We returned to my place and I spent some time talking with my Primary higher-self Guide to ensure that I understood what was going on in my life and to know that I am strong enough to deal with the dark-haired man who had threatened me during the earlier communications.  

Elapsed time, 35 minutes.

Told you it was different hay, LOL

Love Always. Tayesin.[:)]

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Sounds like too many episodes of star trek to me.  Sorry if that is too frank for you, or if you think I am rude for saying this.  But I would guess this is more like a demonic deception feeding your interests.

Hey, did you happen to notice of one of the dots was in the USA, like near Florida.  I just heard a report that a earthquake happened a during the day.

Really interesting, maybe this is what people are expecting to happen soon.

Tayesin Today, 30th September I received a private message form a member of the Astral Pulse Forum beavis who wanted to know if I had helped him to get out of body. I read the message and he said, "Sunday sep28 night (technically monday) around 3am eastern time. I met an entity that claimed to be you. It gave me lots of energy, helped me get out of body, and showed me some things that would be very hard to describe. I dont remember either of us having any form. We were more spread out. If that was you, can we do it again? It was more like sharing energy than you giving it to me. I produced the most energy I've produced in many months and gave some to you and whoever else was around. If that was you."

You can use my name when you talk about this. I sent the PM because I wanted to figure out what happened before posting about it here.


Here's what happened:

I had been doing a little telekinesis and gradually I got a weird feeling that made me stronger. I think it was my spirit. As it got stronger, so did my telekinesis, until the walls and floor (for a few seconds) had 4 inch high waves moving through them. I layed on my bed and tried to project. I heard voices around me and one sounded familiar. I asked who it was and it replied "Tayesin". I asked if I ask Tayesin tomorrow if this happened will he remember and it said yes. Tayesin and I shared energy. Each of us had a slightly different kind, which I think is normal. He helped me fly circles around my physical location. It was as if there were thousands of other physical locations very similar to mine but different by some small detail. They became more different the farther I went away from the center of the circle. I didnt see them as separate locations, but as one continuous multidimensional combination of many physical locations similar to mine.

Tayesin,

Something about red dots is jogging my memory of what happened to me during my data download last Feb/Mar and it's driving me nuts. I have the vaguest of memories of being shown a globe of the earth with red dots and white dots, but I can't remember what it was supposed to signify.

Also, I checked http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/, Australia is 14hrs ahead of where I am in the US. My experience happened at ~12:30AM US Eastern Standard Time, which would have been 2:30PM Australian EST (if that's where you are). You're experience happened a couple of hours later.

So are the United Nations, CD-ROMs, DVDs, and the possiblity of going to an all Hard Drive system for music/movies/entertainment too Star Trekky...

Hey guys I found something really interesting, it is a interview with a reptilian being and some of the stuff that Tayesin said about them in his projection was exctly what this interview has.  Here look at it. http://www.subversiveelement.com/AliensReptoidsLacerta1.html

It says that they are friendly though and gave a history that is able to be backed up, she says she has some sketches of the alien, but since they don't want to be exposed she has to keep them hidden until later.

Hello All
I thought I'd add this to the puzzle it is a dream I had on friday 26.9.03
I dreamed of beening  in an underground mine, found lots of crystals. Now above the landscape is
barren. The recently flooded area now dry exposed many good gems and crystals I am one of four ppl
split into two teams looking . At one stage I find a small circle of quicksand but in the middle it is round clear hole with a ladder going down only a metre. It is an ancient opening   to a Alien underground base
that was once miles deep in access. but I only ponder about this and don't try and enter I just
jump up and down twice on the metal door/ opening.
I begin to think about the crystal I saw on a rock cleft and how I wished I went and picked it
up before as it was later found by the other team. My thoughts aren't for profit but the
joy of fossicking but this crystal seemed as though I should have found it, as in calling me.
The under ground base also felt as though it was one of the reasons why I was in the area
fossicking. Before waking I rehash the dream as to remember it.

I just thought it might be useful sometime in the future to have recorded it here and now.

J.C........
"What are these Reptillians going to do to us?
Is the "commitee" at the meeting humans allies?
How do I prepair?"

All good questions J.C.  I don't really know what the 'Reptilians' have in mind.  I got concepts from the meeting and from the emissary I had met.  "They consume all things energetic, and humans are a good source."  Other than that I put no connotations to those words.  By the way,  I do not feel comfortable with the word 'Reptilian',  as it brings all sorts of connotations with it.

I have no idea at the moment who all the meeting members where or their affiliations, it is something I will have to investigate over the next few contacts.

All I have been getting is we need to prepare ourselves by staying more focused and aware, to get healthy in mind, body and spirit.  I have been told I will do this by returning to nightly journeys with the Guides, and returning to living a more healthy lifestyle.

Would have loved to stay at the meeting by the way, LOL.


T.K.,  I don't have all the answers to your questions, so your guess is as good as mine with what happens if this scenario does get played out.  

PunkYou, That's okay, I am glad you gave your opinion.  I would be small minded if I took offence at your words, who knows, you may be correct.

Beavis, thanks for coming forward and owning that.  This is my first opportunity to read about your experience and I have to say it seems like an excellent time was had.  I have no recollection of doing that, but I know too that parts of me do some things like this that I am not aware of.  This time I was able to feel a strong connection, so hopefully that may indicate a growing awareness.  And that would be good.

Dark, looks like this has tweaked a few buttons in here.  LOL at "is it too Trekky?"

Van-Stolin, thanks for the link.  It would be interesting to see if this info is anywhere else.  Maybe it would be affirming that this is real or that I am crazy.   I can live with the last one.[:P]

Hiya Krome,  mate,you been having interesting dreams!  So many similar threads or themes in your experiences.  I suppose we may find out soon enough.  Thanks for sharing your dream.

I am really trying not to overthink this experience for myself, which is why I threw it into the middle of this forum to be bounced around.  It's a big think-tank in here, so it is the place for these things.  Thanks everyone.

Love Always.[:)]

Van-Stolin, interesting link. I read both parts. She says the "Reptile" race evolved on Earth, so why does the reptile woman refer to Earth as "your planet" instead of our planet. It reminds of of fictional stories written by Brian Lumley about subterrain Reptile races.

Tayesin, interesting experience. I wonder what message you told them, or do you remember? Get both sides of the story before you choose sides. [;)]

Aliens ... wars ... hmm ... well ok ...

I think she was trying to releate and not try to confuse people who would be reading it.  At one point she does say that this is 'our planet, not yours it never was.' also the humans being enginered by aliens is also mentioned in the whole Niburu(tenth planet) thing.  It is in the astral experience section.  I found it very intesting and many points are true like the quick evolution of humans had with just 3 million years, but for mammals to first appear it took like 169 million years, I find this strange.

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At one point she does say that this is 'our planet, not yours it never was.'

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True, she does refer to it as "our planet" at times, but there are other times when she says "your planet", maybe just once or twice. I just find the inconsistancy odd as a native to this planet would not think of it as another's planet and not their's. Though I do not think that this originally took place in English, it does not read like English was the original language. So the error could be on the part of the interpretor or the auther.

True, she was talking in english and said that they had there own language and it was hard to say certain things in english and that we didn't have words for others, maybe she didn't catch the mistake of when she said 'your planet', but I still think it was more of a time context.  If I remember correctly she only refered to the planet as owns in the here and now.

I would have to agree with punkyou. No offense, but if demons can keep you deceived than they have you just were they want you.

well if thats the case, then there is no fighting back is ther? that sux, damn demons! why devil?! WHY?! why did u have to turn evil, if you wouldnt of did that, we would all be perfectly happy! excrement!

Thanks for answering my questions Tay! [:)]

Von, very good link you gave us! Thank you.

Tay keep us informed of other meetings and what not. Wouldnt there be a way to invite your self and learn more about these beings?

I strongly encourage EVERYONE to visit the link von gave you. It gives A LOT of information about the reptilians.

According to Lacerta, dinasours died because of two alien species figting in the atmosphere. Makes sense.


Lacerta also says that her species walks with humans and in large crowds. They do not need any make up or costumes. They simply tell your mind that "Im normal, there is nothing diffrent about me, I am just like you" AKA Telepthy. This is VERY interesting and I belive it, the only thing im having problems beliving is humans were created  by the "Illojiim" via genetic enginering. Reason is I am Roman Catholic.


READ THE INTERVIEW ITS VERY INTERESTING![:D]

I am sorry for my many consecutive reply's but I get ideas minuets after I reply. LOL

Anyway,

Where is the year 2000 interview? It been 3 years.

I was wondering that myself, I think that either she hasn't posted it or maybe she wasn't allowed to post it, or maybe since no one even saw it or they just didn't bother to respond she decided that we are really that ignorant, which I agree in some cases.

In case anyone cares, my genetically engineered bull$hit detector gave me a red flag on that article. I'm not doubting the writer, but the "reptilian".

If anyone here is serious about UFOlogy, and the study of the contacts of the 3rd kind in particular, that person will confirm that we have a classic case here - an alien being contacts a single person and gives an absurd pep-talk, which usually contains following themes:

-humans are dumb, worthless and insignificant
-everybody except me is a liar
-all human knowledge about anything is WAAAY off
-i'm telling you teh truth!
-we are good, and they are bad
-listen to me carefully, because I give you teh ultimate truth here!
-some REALLY bad things are going to happen REALLY soon
-did I mention that speak teh truth?

Such speaches usually contain little or no factual information. If there is any, it is usually complete nonsense (the being conveying this information knows that information is invalid, yet the contactee is not aware of that).

Ok, how does it not have proof, it looks like it was pretty backed up to me.  The reasons about the skeletons not being found and other things.  Pressing the subject of 'truth' is found in everything so you really don't have much there, but it also says that you didn't have to beleive it if you didn't want to, while many people try to totally convince you this is real no matter what.

Not bashing religion or anything, but are you very religious?  I would see most peoples problem with the whole 'humans are genetic enginered thing', but really think about it.  If evolution for humans took place and not God creating us, do you really think that it took 3 million year for humans just to evolve, but it took 168 million for the first mammal to appear on Earth, some part of that doesn't fit to me.

<looks around/> Are you talking to me? Religious? ROTFL!!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm as unreligious as it gets - I'm a Christian's nightmare. Sorry to disappoint you again, but I'm not atheist/unbeleiver either. Truth is my religion.

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If evolution for humans took place and not God creating us, do you really think that it took 3 million year for humans just to evolve, but it took 168 million for the first mammal to appear on Earth, some part of that doesn't fit to me.

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It takes 0 to 1000 for the function exp(1000*(x-1000)) to get from 0.0 to 1, but then you approach 1002, it jumps to 3.8*10^868. Is that surprising? Not really? Then why the case with evolution should be?

The notion that the human race may have been genetically engineered does have some ground, but the fact that such info is coming from this "reptilian" Lunchetta (or whatever her name was) only undermines this theory.

A "social studies student" coming from underground to reveal the great secrets, carefully hidden from the human eyes over the history of the humanity? Global catastrophe caused by "unpredictable fusion with hydrogen" due to detonation of a bomb during StarWars-style warfare among aliens? A functional race of beings living underground? Who colonized Venus??? Gimme a break man.

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Pressing the subject of 'truth' is found in everything so you really don't have much there.

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Actually, I think you can conclude something there. If someone repeatedly tells you "But I'm telling you the truth!!!", is most likely shitting your brains. If someone WERE telling the truth, they would rely on the evidential support / verifiable information and let YOU be the judge. But thats just MY view. For most people, adding "this is the truth" just adds the weight to what they say, so the aliens are not hesitant to use that.

I should also add that my view of this article is biased, since I learned a while ago that:

1: Aliens (or some higher force manifesting itself in the form of aliens/UFOs) exist.
2: They are full of excrement (in terms of the information conveyed to the contactees)

If you would like to read up more on the phenomenon, Jacques Vallee's works is a good place to start.

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Originally posted by fallnangel77
Tayesin, interesting experience. I wonder what message you told them, or do you remember? Get both sides of the story before you choose sides. [;)]

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Hiya Falln,
Yes I do remember the message, it's been fresh in my mind since the time I was given it four years ago.  It goes like this, almost word for word............

"My race will be on your world soon.  Not all of us will choose to do what you (the humans) will call Evil things.  There is good and bad in all types, some of us will work with you as a resistance.  Do not think that you cannot harm us, you have the ability to inflict great damage upon us.  You will know when one of my race is on your world by the eyes.  You must tell others, but be careful who you tell for it is a dangerous time."  Then he gave me an entire concept about them being consumers of energy and we humans are good sources of it.

I figure that the soul I am chose sides prior to incarnating here, so I am only doing and feeling at the moment as the understanding comes to me.

Peaceful Spirit, you are correct in saying that dark forces can play with our thinking etc.  But, in my journeys so far I learned to rely on Feelings.  You can feel the intent and energy of other beings even if they are cloaking that intent with bovine excrement or other devices.  All 'positive' intents raise a response within me that is deeply and completely Loving, while the opposite brings a feeling of concern.  

That is probably not well explained as the particular experiences have to be had by you before you can know it fully, and that does not make it any easier to explain to others.  Suffice to say that with a lifetime of various contacts and spiritual encounters, years of face to face contact with the Guides, aliens and many other entities, I have learned a little about what is and what is not.  Therefore I trust what I know and test what I don't and it works well for me so far.

Altoxff, the Sumerian tablets also tell us about the genetic program that led to the production of the Homo Sapien and then with a little more work, the Homo Sapien Sapien, which is us.  The program took 50,000 of our years as the Anunnaki had no knowledge when they first decided to embark on creating a worker, so they had to start from scratch.  They made many, many mistakes and stuff-ups, as has since been discovered by the British Museum over the past 80 years.  The evidence is there, all that is needed is to search for it.

I would love to know what brought you to the understanding of Point number 2 in your last post.  How do you know that any and all alien races are full of excrement?  Is this your opinion based on extended experiences?  

That's my 45 cents worth, LOL.

Love Always.[:)]

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Is this your opinion based on extended experiences?

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That is my opinion based on the information I obtained from reading a number of books and articles by leading UFOlogists of various parts of the world that have spent their lifetimes analyzing the history of the phenomenon that goes way back, as well as thousands of witness accounts throughout the world.

Tay, your experience is not unique. It is a single datum among the sea of similar alien revelations. I do not doubt that your experience was as real as it gets. However, things are not always what they appear to be. In fact, most of the time they are not. The only way to figure it out is not to confine your judgements to your experiences only, but try to get outlook on the bigger picture.

I'm making my conclusions by judging the phenomenon "from the outside", by being familiar with a number of cases that I haven't been part of. You make your judgements "from the inside", based on first-hand experience, and If I were you I would have probably arrived to the same conclusions (or maybe not).

In fact, I haven't encountered anything paranormal in my life despite continuously seeking for it (thats why I'm into OBEs right now, and I'm making progress!). Perhaps I'm being intentionally avoided because they know they'd have hard time convincing me of what they'd try to make believe? [;)]

Seeing is not believing; not at this level.

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P.S. A do admit, however, that you have more grounds for making conclusions than me, since you know these things. And me - what the hell do I know?

In my humble opinion, our minds/consciousness "interprets" astral experiences, creates certain constructs and then presents the information to us in a format that we can understand - like a story, but often times dreamlike and bizarre.  Throughout history, prophets, holy people, and psychics have had "visions" that fall into these categories.

Therefore I'd be extremely wary at taking these things at face value.  

Consider also that the "Zetas" out here claim to be in contact with some sort of alien race, which is kind enough to answer a gazillion of our questions provided we submit them and accept answers through their official medium or whatever.  This of course, smacks of someone creating their own delusion, interpreting it as "real" and then setting about to get followers - essentially inserting themselves into our psyche's as the intermediary between us and God.  This is no different than any number of religions and cults out there.

And let's not forget the Thiaoouba Prophecy (which is also discussed on a thread out here).  In that one, a guy from Australia was taken to a distant planet by aliens and told of the secrets of our past yadda yadda ...  It's got more holes than swiss cheese but yet there are people who take it for truth.  But in my opinion it's just another individual delusion projected onto the world thanks to the handy dandy internet.

And there's the book God's Gladiators by Stuart Wilde (I only read the excerpt).  The author suggests that there is a substructure underlying reality called "The Sphere" (think "The Matrix") and that everything we are, think and know including religions and probably all of this alien stuff is just fake information we're being fed, but that in reality we're just being held prisoners in "The Sphere" so that our etheric energy can be sucked.

I'm not even interested in UFOs and that kind of stuff and I've run across a variety of these things that all contradict each other.  I bet if I spent a day on the web I could find hundreds of such stories/theories.

That is why I generally believe that each person should search for truth and follow the search where it leads.  But when someone spins a fantastical type yarn that doesn't jive with my experience and seems earily similar to any other number of such yarns I can only regard it as that individuals mind spinning a yarn for them.  To present Astral experiences to others as anything close to reality (i.e. John's Revelation perhaps) is misguided if you ask me (no offense Tayesin).  
[:)]

I read a couple of books a few years back having to do with "religious" or transcendent experiences induced by DiMethylTriptamine (DMT), the hallucinagneic chemcial in Ayahuasca (similar in chemical structure to LSD).  It seemed to allow the user's consciousness to transcend, but what the user perceived was highly dependent on what they were looking for and expecting.  Those who used Ayahuasca as part of a South American religious ritual were expecting imagines characterized by mystical serpentine visions and that's generally what they saw: mystical visions with snakes and serpents in them.  

But participants in a university study in the states when injected with DMT tended to see aliens, insects or clowns (of all things).  Since I don't believe that the astral or other "realities" are actually populated with metaphysical clowns I must conclude that what the participants are observing is energy in a variety of different forms.  Their subjective imagination/consciousness lends subjective meaning to that energy.  

I would conclude from this that Tayesin's mind, spirit or even unconscious is what is lending subjective meaning to his astral experience and that whatever meaning is present is meaningful only to his particular life situation.  All of us have so many desires buried in our unconscious that we are totally unaware of and it's quite possible that this alien scenario is some sort of message from the subconscious.  

Who among us doesn't harbor a secret desire to be important, to be "the chosen one", to be the repository of "secret" information from God, aliens, or whomever - information that pertains to nothing less than the fate and future of mankind!  These sorts of fantasies are planted in us from the time we're little - by cartoons, books and movies (Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, etc.).  It's only natural that these sorts of fantasies would use a highly pliable medium such as the astral to play themselves out.

So again, not to burst anyone's bubble here but we're not talking about reality.  If we really seek to understand this "vision" we should be learning more about Tayesin's background and situation so that we can try to analyze what it symbolizes in his life and what hidden message is being presented to him.

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In my humble opinion, our minds/consciousness "interprets" astral experiences, creates certain constructs and then presents the information to us in a format that we can understand - like a story, but often times dreamlike and bizarre.  Throughout history, prophets, holy people, and psychics have had "visions" that fall into these categories.

Therefore I'd be extremely wary at taking these things at face value.  

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Remember, the interview was between a Reptillian and a human in real life, real time NOT in a AP session. If it was in a AP session then he wouldn't be able to write it word for word.[8)]

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Remember, the interview was between a Reptillian and a human in real life, real time NOT in a AP session. If it was in a AP session then he wouldn't be able to write it word for word.

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However he received the information it seems like he was in an altered state of consciousness.  It looks to me like he was "online" so not APing when he received the initial communications (from the alien and then from the dark-haired man).  But when he actually went to the space ship he said that he intended to "journey out", but since their wasn't time apparently he "projected his awareness" - I took that to mean astral projection.  Probably we need additional information from Tayesin on that.

And I should make clear that I don't mean to impune anyones integrity here or deride anyone, but rather suggest that considering that extraordinary implications that would result from interpreting this experience literally it would seem prudent to ask a lot of questions and consider other alternatives.  Toward that end, Tayesin I'm curious:

Q: Have you had communication with the "normal alien" prior to this experience?

Q: Have you had communication with any other reptilians prior to this experience?

Q: Prior to this experience what were your beliefs with regard to aliens?

Q: Do you believe that this experience should be taken at face value - i.e. there really are alien bases around the world and there really is some sort of alien plan being played out, of which you are apprently a part?

Q: Do you believe you may be an alien?

Q: Do you believe that this experience pertains to all people and that there is anything the rest of us should do in light of this information?

Q: What are your spiritual religious beliefs and history, and how do you reconcile this experience with those?

Q: What can you tell us about your guide?

Q: Was this in fact an astral projection and for how long have you been doing AP?

Q: The communication that you received while "online" - have you received that type of communication before and if so how often do you get them?

Thanks.[:)]

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In my humble opinion, our minds/consciousness "interprets" astral experiences, creates certain constructs and then presents the information to us in a format that we can understand - like a story, but often times dreamlike and bizarre.  Throughout history, prophets, holy people, and psychics have had "visions" that fall into these categories.

Therefore I'd be extremely wary at taking these things at face value.  

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Hi all,
I'd just like to jump in on the topic regarding this particular thought of RJA's.

Tayesin and I have just compared notes on one of the spirits he's just met. She is the same spirit I met about 19 months ago. We each provided the other with a bit of her description so it wasn't just one of us going "she looks like this?"...."yeah thats her." We were each able to confirm specific details that we noticed, and although we percieved those details in a different fashion - ie Tayesing described her hair as like being made of autumn leaves and I described her hair as being dark blonde to auburn like autumn colours, we realised we were both describing exactly the same thing.

A month ago, even after meeting and speaking with spirit beings myself, I might have been inclined to agree with the philosophy that it is all the interpretations of our own minds. The discussions I've had with Tayesin has just blown a gaping great hole in this argument.

It's one thing to be like an academic that sits back and speculates or theorises, its completely another thing to be out there experiencing this stuff first hand. I've done both. The former leads you to believe things, the latter leads you to know things. The former is not a bad thing, it leads to ideas and inspirations, but these need to be balanced by the proofs, even if only personal proofs, provided only by the latter.

Kind regards,
James.

RJA just curious (and I mean this respectfully), although I think I might know the answer just by reading your questions.

Do you even know Tayesin?

Tayesin will be first in line to support you in your opinion to disagree.

Tay, I few questions.

You said you were at a table for the meeting. How many alien species were there?

Lactera in "Lactera File" said there is 14 alien species under the Earth. How many species were there? 14? 15?

Thanks

First, I'd like to mention the amount of maturity that I've noticed on this forum in the past while, threads like this one in particular are an amazing change of pace from some other forums out there.

The open minded and carefully presented responses have only prompted movement in amazing directions, and this is an amazing quality to have, especially on an internet forum.

Second, there is no sense doubting this type of event. My advice (if you can take it as such) is to just believe it enough to really really flow with it. That's what a big part of life is about.  You may argue about needing proof and real data and what not, but come on, we are pioneering into a new ERA here. Those of you who can feel me know what I'm talking about. So I'll see you "on the other side".

-peace

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Q: Have you had communication with the "normal alien" prior to this experience?

Yes, on many occassions during this life, in the physical real world and in the astral.  Most of which have been in the world.

Q: Have you had communication with any other reptilians prior to this experience?

Yes, once with the one I call emissary, and once when a 'humanized' one came to our Research groups meeting...All the psychics in the room had freaked out looks about them that night, LOL.

Q: Prior to this experience what were your beliefs with regard to aliens?

That all possible life forms exist in the Universe and that our ability to interact with them knowingly is only retarded by our attitudes and opinions.


Q: Do you believe that this experience should be taken at face value - i.e. there really are alien bases around the world and there really is some sort of alien plan being played out, of which you are apprently a part?

For me, at face value, because the Guides helped with the meeting and I know them from much experience to be open and honest with me.

Q: Do you believe you may be an alien?

Don't think about it.  Would hope not, LOL.  I am human as far as I know and am glad to be.

Q: Do you believe that this experience pertains to all people and that there is anything the rest of us should do in light of this information?

I feel it does relate to all of us and we can prepare by sharpening our tools of awareness.  Between November this year and March of next year, something will happen that allows more people to see things clearly.

Q: What are your spiritual religious beliefs and history, and how do you reconcile this experience with those?

No religious background, but Guide contact from the age of 7 and fortunately as a teenager I met a very clear woman who was able to help me become clearer and experience a huge awakening.  I returned to normal living many years,although the contacts continued, until Spirit made itself known to me again in very definite ways that made me continue to practice my methods again.  Another huge awakening occured when the Guides prepared and led me through a Kundalini raising to the third eye chakra and nothing for me has been the same since.  This is reconciled for me easily, all things, UFO's, Aliens, paranormal activity, etc, etc, are all part of the one energetic force, and so I view things with a wider perception and see the bigger pictures, whether I want to or not.

Q: What can you tell us about your guide?

Which one?  The primary Guide is my Higher-Self called Aesgard, that was once a god to the race of humans called the Wessex Culture.  It is my higher-self so in essence it is me, slowly becoming aware of myself in this world.(That sounds crazy!)

One Guide is a little, fat, almost caricature of a frog, type alien, who I have known at our soul level for all the ages.  He has the greatest sense of humour and dilligence to the work at hand.  He usually joins me on the remembering journeys.  We are truly brothers.

Another Guide is Tayesin (Taliesen) who lived around 1,500 years ago and is a part of my Soul/higher-self, which is why I use the name..it was me in a previous life.

There are also others who come to help during certain phases of learning and remembering.  A native American Called Great Oak is providing clues in the real world for me to follow, and this is a task we agreed on before this incarnation.  

A manifestation of the great Earth spirit lends massive support and encouragement, and has recently been added to with the arrival of the Green Lady, that James S also has experience with.

Q: Was this in fact an astral projection and for how long have you been doing AP?

I do not know all the terms that get used here, so I refer to this as Projecting Awareness, where we send out our focused attention to complete the task.  Most times it will only take a few seconds before you are in either your Atral or Soul level awareness, depending on what is required.  I have been journeying on and off in the realms since 1977 with full awareness, meaning not sleeping at the time.  

Q: The communication that you received while "online" - have you received that type of communication before and if so how often do you get them?

Pretty regularly, especially since coming to the Pulse it has multiplied to an amazing degree.  Most times I block it but on this particular occassion the communications and connections were themselves multiplied because of the number of beings making the connections at the one moment.

J.C, The table was huge, around thirty to fourty metres across (90 to 120 feet)and there were hundreds of seats around it.  Only a few were vacant at the time.   I noticed many different kinds of beings, and many that I had never seen before.  That shouldn't surprise me hay?

James S, thank you for your support post.  It really touched me.  And, you made an important observation that gets so rarely mentioned here.  That is, we spend so much time in self doubt and then doubting our own experiences because of it, then of course our logical minds jump in on the track and it's off and running.  In the meantime we do not realize that the doubt we have is disempowering us, making us weaker again.

I have always gone on these journeys without any ideas of what I will do, or other expectations, as I was taught to do. My teacher told me early that we must always be prepared "as if naked", meaning free from preconceptions so that we can more easily see what-is clearly.

Can I say to everyone..........
It does not really matter if you do or do not agree with me or the reality of my experience.  It is healthy to have pro and con views to think about, all of them are useful.  All the posts here so far are very valid, extremely well thought out, and they are exactly what I was hoping for.  I wanted to read as many different views on this as I could and you have all done so in the best possible way.  I thank you all dearly for that[:D]

Love Always.[:)]

This topic is one of the most interesting I've seen in a while [:)]  Thanks for sharing all of your experiences Tayesin.

Good stuff [8D] With my "philosophy" I can easily believe anything you say.  Who's to say I'm not doing it too... [;)]

~Squeek

Dear Tay
I would like to ask you a few questions. Recently I posted the testemony of a Christian Guy who had a spirit experience, seeing demons and angels. The thread is "real time zone and demonchain of command". The general thoughts and comments were critical. Along the lines of this being a typical Christian "wishful thinking" in other words this guy "saw" it this way and though it was real to him it was still a lie, I have been considering this point. Your posting however has imidiately been accepted as "real" and you as being a reliable channel.What makes you believe that your version is anything but a made up fiction of your imagination, and a simple desire to be "important". That goes to you all who comment. Is this in reality a Startreck over doze. I really mean it. You all seem very emotionally attached to this. Please explain to me why this is different.
Respectfully Mustardseed

This may be due to the fact that an ordinary Christian (or whatever), having 3rd-party induced spiritual experience immediately jumps to conclusions of what it was, which is likely to be heavily distorted by the SOB.

Tay appears to know the field pretty well, having numerous contacts with guides, aliens and whatnot, both in Physical, as well as Astral planes, so he should know what he's talking about, so the SOB distortion is presumably less in this case.

I still think, however, that THEY (Aliens & Co) are LIARS! _{(this statement is subject for review upon availability of verifiable information)}

According to some sources, not all alien encounters are real. In fact, I read of an interesting  device in MATRIX II (The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology by Val Valerian). It was based on the research of Wilhelm Reich, and it is allegedly capable of inducing a pre-orgastic state where the mind is especially open to programming. Using this device, the U.S. government is able to fake an alien encounter, to hide the fact that is themselves who are doing the abducting (which does not mean that there are no genuine encounters - according to the article, a similar device is used by Orions/Sirians for programming purposes).

I also read an article written by an ex-Illuminati Head Programmer/Trainer supporting the idea of fake alien encounter programming.
Here's an excerpt:

"Q: Svali, I have to ask you this: There are stories floating around on the internet about the Illuminati (and other agencies) being run by extra-terrestrials, ET's, in particular a reptilian race, operating from a higher dimension. Any thoughts on that?

A: My answer will probably cause a lot of anger, and it's not meant to step on any toes. Here it goes.

I have never seen an alien or extra-terrestial. I have seen some programming to make people THINK they saw aliens, as a cover story for programming, if they remembered. None of the head trainers I knew, or others on leadership council, believed in aliens, although I never asked them.

I personally believe that the reptilian stuff is actually the demonic at work. I have seen shape-shifting and other stuff because of demonic influence (okay, so here some will say, gee, she believes in demons, that's as far out as aliens).

Well, this is what the Illuminati certainly believe in. They KNOW there are spiritual realities, and think they can control them. Those of a more cynical bent would say the shape shifting was a drug induced hallucination and group hysteria in the context of a ritual setting. I will let each reader decide based on their personal comfort zone. But no, absolutely no reptiles or aliens seen in Washington, DC, or San Diego, Ca. as of 5 years ago, at least I never saw them." (From http://www.centrexnews.com/columnists/svali/archive.html - part 9 - there's a lot of REALLY interesting information there)

I, however, would imagine that there could still be some blocks in her memories, as a victim of mind control herself.

The only way to be reasonably sure of their (non)existence is to see for yourself. I say "reasonably", because I have experienced something really scary which seemed as real as anything, and yet it contradicts my other memories.
Personally, I hope to be able to astrally visit Mintaka (the center of the belt of Orion - reptilian headquarters) one day. Try Celestia if you want to plan the trip ahead (www.shatters.net/celestia/)

Best regards,
Allan

Very interesting Allan. Meget interessant!! Dejligt at hoere fra den anden side a dammen. I will look it up. I did find my question to be in every way relevant, and still look forward to hearing from my friend Tay and by the way you whoever you were that got all agressive (I assume sob still means sob ) hold your horses and quit the dirty language. What are you trying to supress? Questions .
Regards MS

SOB = System Of Belief.
What did you think it meant? [}:)]

Hi Mustardseed,
Your questioning is valid and I respect your view.  The response to this really surprised me as well and I am not sure why.  Never before has anything I've shared been taken as real straight up!  And I am concerned that anyone would see me as a clear channel, that is a term I am severely uncomfortable with.

All I know about the validity of this particular experience is that it was supported by the long term and well trusted Guides.  If it wasn't for that, then I would also be doubting it, or at the least view it as an abberation of my mind.  

I cannot go with the wanting to be 'special', as I  do think that I am only one small part of this and there must be many other humans involved.  Spirit never gives it's messages to only one person, it ensures the messages will get through by giving them to many people.  So in no way can I let my self think I am special, could you imagine what Ego would do with that?  The thought scares me witless, as I have had a couple of lives where I abused the knowledge and allowed Ego to run with it, and I do not intend to let that happen again as I am now making amends for those.

And, no one person is more special than another!  We are all very capable of experiencing anything we choose to.  So please, if anyone is thiking of me as someone special to listen to then STOP. Listen to yourself first coz that's where your answers are.


Cinnibardk,
The governments have been playing with similar technologies for a very long time.  As yet, I do not think I have had anything from those programs come in.   Although I would not know how to tell the difference if it did at this point, unless the Guides were present so that i would know it was valid.

You have added a wonderful new dimension to this discussion and I thank you for it.  If anyone else does have experience with these government programs I would be very interested in hearing about it.  My curiosity has got me there, LOL.


Love Always.[:)]

Ha Ha Ha this is just sooo funny. SOB System of Belief. Why dont you spell your words all the way you ......SOB ! anyway just goes to show how we can misunderstand each other, and I am glad I asked. I apologize. My fault entirely.
Regards MS

Mustardseed,

Aren't you glad alt0xFF didn't choose to shorten Belief System instead.[:D]

Your question of all this being Tayesin's imagination has already been raised, be it slightly less directly. Again I will say that I can independently confirm the validity of his encounter with at least one spiritual being in these journeys, as I have met this particular spirit face to face myself, and in this world.

My encounter occurred long before I even knew of Tayasin's existance, and with the fact that we live approx 1800 - 2000km away from each other (according to ouy bio's), it's safe to assume we've never spoken before.

The thing that's given both Tayesin and myself a BIG jolt is the fact that by confirming the details of each other's separate encounters as we have, that nagging feeling we've both had of "this is just my imagination" has now been convincingly knocked on the head. Many times I've wished for a bit of confirmation that what I experienced was real. Even just a little bit from some completely independent source. Now its happened!

Like Tayesin I'm now in a position that I seriously have to deal with the fact that something BIG is going on, and I've been asked to be a part of it. What part? I haven't a clue! Also just as Tayesin mentioned, this is no time to let the "hey I've been CHOSEN" type ego trip happening. I feel that any kind of ego can very easly get you kicked off "the team". Staying objective is a must, and ego tends to cripple objectivity.

Kind regards,
James.

Hi James,

You know, I hadn't even thought about being 'kicked off the team' as a consequence of not being vigilant on balancing Ego.  Just the thought of being dropped from the side is more scary than the thought of actually being insane.  

It would mean that we would not succeed in this life's tasks and choose to return to do it all over again when the circumstances are right, and that could be many thousands of years before this race returns here again.  No way dude, I want to be free from incarnating to this glorious planet well before then, LOL.

And I have to say, your posts are always so eloquently put as you seem to have an easiness with language that allows you to put such massive concepts into simple phrases.  I do envy that.[:P]

Thank you again for your support on this thread.

Love Always.[:)]

This question could be taken the wrong way, so I want to start off by saying I'm genuinely asking it, no sarcasm.

Last I checked, the lesson was put here for you, you were not put here for it.

When do we cross the line, and the lesson is being made more valuable than our own value and welfare?

I've personally had enough, I do not see my mission ever being accomplished in this life or any other. The Negs have successfully stopped me dead cold, and I was at the "sick and tired" stage 2 years ago, and dedicated all my energy to surpassing what they were doing to me...that desire was crushed in me for some time now.

I came here to give, I can't get through, and waiting is causing me to fragment further.

When is learning an act of love and when is it being right?

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Your posting however has imidiately been accepted as "real" and you as being a reliable channel.

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Just to clarify, I have never accepted anything in this thread as being real. I do not accept it as real nor unreal. It just is. It merely interests me because of the experience. I take no part in any war, be it between any god and devil, angels and demons, astral entities, aliens, or humans.

t if a war were to happen that had been predicted, I wouldn't choice sides until I know what each side wants.

Greetings and Salutations!

I used to be into this whole reptilian conquest/war whatever you want to call it thing.  I have found the concepts to be wanting for various reasons.  I still believe in a war though.  I have a question for you.  You said that even you would have doubted the experience if it had not been for your long time guides being present.  May I ask why the presence of these guides convinces you that your experience was truth?  I believe that your experience was real.  I really do.

Secondly, your guides, are they the first entities you met in the astral that took the time to talk to you?

Thanks,

God bless

PF

Hi Dark Knight,

> When do we cross the line, and the lesson is being made more valuable than our own value and welfare?

This might sound a bit of a sappy answer, but I feel if you get to this point then you've lost the objective.

> I've personally had enough, I do not see my mission ever being accomplished in this life or any other.

Do you really know exactly what your mission is?
I must go back and read through some of your earlier posts to get a clearer picture of what you've been through. Sounds pretty horrendous from what I've picked up on so far. But it also sounds like you've come out the other side of it ok. Maybe that was your mission - to survive. It may be now that you simply need to relax, not push yourself, not commit yourself to any grand plan, just be.

Some years ago I went through depression. The lesson I learned from it was to not push for a resolution, to not think my way through it but instead relax and just exist. Now when I look at the fact that I seem to be involved in something here, something I can contribute to, if I start going out with a mindset that this is my mission, this is what I must achieve, it all starts going horribly wrong. If I sit back and relax, take things as the come and just "be" then I'm allowing the message to come through to me, because I'm not blocking it by going off on tangents.

This fits what you say - the lesson is put here for you. Don't bust yourself looking for it, it will find you.

I don't know if any of this helps, or is of any comfort to you. It's just what popped into my mind when I read your post.

Tayesin,
Sorry for going off the topic a little here. Thank you also for your kind words. I usually have to review and edit my words a number of times until they say what I want them to, so I really appreciate your comments - they're very encouraging. [:)]

I guess the concept of being "kicked off the team" might not be the right way to put it. I think if we allow our ego's to get hold of us we are more likely to quit the team and try to go it solo - a big mistake! I think with the players involved here, they're not likely to give up on us in a hurry. After my first brush with her when I was 14, The Spirit of Nature waited 21 years for me to take notice of her again. They've a lot more patience than we have. Lucky for us!

Kind regards,
James.

Dark,
thanks for asking your questions.  If the lessons are put here for us, then we must also be here to receive them.  Surely, much of what we experience is chosen by us in our travel plans before incarnation.  I don't mean pre-determinism or Fate either, I mean that we looked at all the possible choices and their effects before we agreed on this life.

I don't think that there is ever a time when the lessons are more important than our welfare, although, it is very possible that if you did choose this experience before incarnating then perhaps this life is about those specific lessons.  So I cannot say in honesty that any of it is absolute, as things change with our growing awareness.

Your last question is brilliant Dark.  If we are huge and powerful beings, as I truly know we are, then all that we choose to experience is done so with Love, because we choose these things when we are in our highest awareness and therefore do so without the blindness of human concepts.  So I tend to see all that we experience as being the choices of great Souls who see the value in the lessons from various choices of suffering.  And I would think that it is only about being right, if it is about our human Ego.


Passionate,  
I have great trust in the Guides who work with me, as they have been of immense help over the years, so I do not see that they/me would do anything that would be against the best interests of the Soul I am.  And, for a long time, I tested them as often as possible in order to find out if I could put trust in them.

It would be similar to being a child who trusts that his/her parents will help them where possible and would not allow any harm to come to them.  I know that is a pathetic analogy to use because the world is full of parents who do the opposite, but I do think you understand what I am trying to say.

My trust is based on many, many journeys over the years, so inside myself I KNOW without a doubt that this experience was very real and that I can trust in it because the Guides were there to facilitate this meeting.  

This doesn't automatically suggest that anyone else should believe it.  I believe that there is no substitute for having the experience of things, as that way we each get to really know from having the experiences.  There is no other way to KNOW.

I hope this has answered some questions.   I do hope that no one is blindly accepting this as totally real, especially without going out there and seeing for themselves.  

The original idea to post this experience here was only to get as many different views from as many people as possible. And it has succeeded in that.   Never was it intended to be a "hay look what I did" thing, coz that would be Ego and Ego-unleashed is our worst enemy in the fight to becoming Clear and Aware.  

And, I see we are all the same, we are all Great Spirits/Souls and no one is 'above' any other, we are simply on different roads to our life goals.

"Belief is a poor substitute for having the experience". - me.[:P]

Love Always.[:)]

OK Tay, what time is it?

You know what I'm tlaking about, I'll leave a better post later.

Dear Tay
I would be interested in asking your guides a question. As you know I am a Christian and the Bible intrructs us to ask any Spirit if they believe that Jesus was the Son of God and came in the flesh. How would you feel about asking them that. If you do, make good note of the answer. This question sometimes bring up the wierdest long fenangeled answers. Many say: "well let me explain it to you and then on an on" (like this forum at times) others show their true face. If you want to go a step further ask them in the name of Jesus to show their true identity. I would be very interested in the result.
Regards Mustardseed

James,

How do I know....loaded question. I had memories before coming here, had memories of being in my mother's womb, had memories as early as crawling around on the floor and watching my father sit in his chair while watching an episode of "The Outer Limits" of all things (sorry, I always hated that show).

I had a significant number of valuable experiences that gave me skills...skills that I could share with people, might have even helped people. And it wasn't to gain followers, it was an act of love. I was so tired of seeing people suffer and I knew I had something to offer, still feel like I do. But the world doesn't seem ready for it, and with demonic cretins constantly on my case, my luck gone, and an ever growing mountain of debt thanks to the last pair of daffy dimwits I received "help" from, I feel backed into a corner and unable to do much of anything, not even live.

With a vast majority of people seeing a lesson as "Something to be right about" instead of "Something to grow with", I feel like I'm fighting a battle on two fronts...the demonic cretins, and the people I was supposed to turn to for help.

"Exist" feels like something I've always done, except for a brief few years of my life. I don't think I can just "exist" anymore. One of the things that got me through when I was younger was the thought that I was working towards "living" not "existing."

I've learned a great deal, I've learned how personal boundaries (and identity) disentegrates when you're not valued and not only left to die, but forcibly pushed out of the way. I can tell you the pattern it takes on, why it disentegrates the way it does, and how to re-integrate. But re-integration requires freedom to move and cooperation and respect from others, something which is ironically missing in many cases...most people deny that freedom to move exists or is required,...they assume the power is theirs instead realizing the greater dynamic they are a part of.

Their ego does all the work and they take all the credit for it.

So the re-integration never takes place, the wound festers, and eventually there is death.

I'm just tired, and wish either something would change, or let me die, just so I can move on and do something.

Hi Dark Night,

I apologise for my questions. I though they, and a brief account of my feelings, might have been appropriate, but I see that you have gone way beyond the point where my experiences might be able to help.

I have a better understanding of your situation now, thank you. It seems that even in doing the right thing, you have ticked off the wrong beings, who seek their thoughtless revenge against your acts of kindness. I also see now that you do have, and possibly always have had an understanding of what it is you are to do here.

The only offer I can make to you is what I am doing now - sending you thoughts of love and light to help you recharge, and sending requests to the spirit I know love and trust to give you shelter while you heal.

All the best,
James.

Hi Mustardseed,

I know your question is directed at Tayasin, but if you've no objections I would like to share my own personal accounts regarding your question. I just don't want to appear to be hijacking Tayesin's topic here.

The one positive thing I took away with me from years of following the christian way was my sense of the reality of Jesus. I believe this his is a name of power, as twice I have called on it to save my life when I was right on the point of death, and twice I felt the release from my peril and survived. That's proof enough for me!

Just after I first met the Spirit of the Earth, I asked her about Jesus, as I do still believe this to be a valid test. He answer was quite clear - "We know him a LORD Jesus, he is very much real, and he can be called 'Son of God'". Even from a spirit as vast and powerful as that of the Earth, there was a definite note of respect in her voice here.
The spirits do have a strong sense of propriety.

She also made mention that unfortunatley many people have a distorted idea of who and what Jesus is. Such ideas are generally only let go of when we shed our material or "earthly" perceptions.

Kind regards,
James.

The way you write "and he can be called 'Son of God'" sounds almost as though the spirit is trying to get the wording right. Aren't we all God's children in the eyes of the church? And as for being a lord, aren't there all sorts of people in various positions of power in the world?
Could it not simply be that Jesus was just an ordinary human king?  The spirits wording doesn't appear to show otherwise.

Nicely spotted Arcane.
She was very particular about the wording. Not to be ambiguous, but I think to try to indicate that we can't presume our "mortal" perceptions about such things are entirely accurate. Nonetheless, there was a great feeling of respect indicated.

James.

This weekend There's going to be a UFO symposium in my city (Halifax), and now I think I might go. Tay, could you get these aliens to contact me? Please? It would help my "SOB" and plus, I've always wanted to meet an alien.

Hi Mustard,

I've got some things happening at the moment, like my granpa who I was very close to dying, etc.  I have not asked the Guides your question as yet but I will get to it.  Hopefully, this little insight will suffice until then.

All the great teachers who came to this world, including Jesus, were born as humans.  All of them needed to find their way to them-Self before they started their missions here.  Each brought another piece of the greater truths to us when it was time for them to do so.  

Yes, Jesus is the son of god, but, he said that we all are...."The Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.  When you come to know yourselves then you will become known,  and you will realize that it is you who are the Sons of the living father".

This tells us that he knew he was not greater than any one of us, only that he KNEW who he was, and what that means.  In my experience, when we do come to Self-realization, we come into contact directly with the creative awareness (God).  I do believe that Jesus was sent here for a mission, as were the other great ones, and that he was self-realized through his journeys and experiences in order to fulfill his tasks.  Other than this, he was a man, with all the trappings of the human condition.

And yes, that was a bit long winded for a simple little answer, LOL.

Dino,
Geez, your asking for the impossible from me.  I am only a person, I hold no sway or favour with any other race.  It would do no good to ask for this if your Soul's plan does not include contact with Alien races.  Your best opportunity would be to go out 'there' and seek them for yourself.

All,
I will be away for a few days attending to things, so have fun and I hope there is much more to read when I get back.

Love Always.[:)]

(You said) He answer was quite clear - "We know him a LORD Jesus, he is very much real, and he can be called 'Son of God'".

She also made mention that unfortunatley many people have a distorted idea of who and what Jesus is. Such ideas are generally only let go of when we shed our material or "earthly" perceptions.

Hi James
I read your posts and there is a lot of information as well as insight in them, I appreciate your answer and dont mind if you "hijack" it as you call it. I have never had the opportunity to ask the question to a spirit entity on a astral trip myself, however I have done so lots of times as part of exorsisms etc. The answer you got was exactly what I was talking about. It is what I termed a "fenangeled" answer. In a way it is a nonconclusive statement. The Bible mentions that concerning faith in Jesus "the demons also believe and they tremble" . My point is this . In the astral / spirit there are factions for want of a better word. Robert calls some Negs and I agree hoever it indicated that there are also positives. Maybe there are also neutrals. ?? The positives all are under the allegience of Jesus, and are enpowered by the Holy Spirit. They can acces his power. Other entities are not yielding to his authority and are in various degrees of rebellion and still others may not have decided yet? In Christian exorsism you ask the question to find out if the person is possessed or opressed. This is 2 very different things. A person who is opressed will at this question have different reactions but will always acknowledge Jesus as His /her sovereign king. It will often be a emotional display but not always but it is the person speaking and with His /her will they state Yes I believe that Jesus is the only Son of God and plead my allegience to Him. A person who is possessed however will try to dodge the question. It might be by a philosopical explanation , or a different definition of Jesus, or by saying that "I know of him and otheres believe that he is the Son of God" etc . If you presist and ask again "but how about you, do YOU believe He is the ONLY Son of God and rose from the dead and reigns and Rules over all"  there will be either another explanation and if you presist again mostly there is a explosion and a "falling of the veil" as it is called. Often the physical appearance of the person will change,a cloud will fass over their face or a shadow type of thing, he may pass wind (odd), or burp or start cursing and swearing and different smells often of sulphur can be detected. Often violence is threatened but if you stand strong and bold mostly they will leave.  

I would be interested to find out if the same is the case in the astral. In my opinion it is however wise to be very careful.

My prayers are with you and thanks for the answer
Regards Mustardseed

Although I've been a passive listener/reader to these posts on this thread and even though I've not probably gotten off to the best of feet with Mustardseed, I AM glad to see you back.

Go on gentlemen, sorry for the intrusion, I'll continue listening to the two of you...[^]

Go there? You mean astral?

Hello,

I thought the Annunaki(sp?) are coming after us? Now we have another alien civilization waiting to wreak havoc upon our planet and its inhabitants?

This is "The truth shall be Known.. You`ll see" part 2 :D...

Altough i don`t tend to trust aliens :D - your experience sounds really cool. I must admit that when i heard about the Federation human - i remained a little Star Trakky :) - but if i stay to think about it, yeah ! why not ? This may be true.. I`ve added you on my MSN messenger Tayesin - i hope you`ll have time to chat wiht me..

The interesting thing - is that i`ve observed strange things happening lately too - my stuff starts to move from no apparently source of force.. Once a notebook moved from my desk on the floor - that was Frightening for me - but now i got used to it - i admit that books do not fly around my desk or anything - but there isn`t one day that a strange thing like that won`t happen.
Could the source of all this strange stuff be that Alien or whatever ?

What can you tell us about the Zetas and the Pleiadians ? I`m really interested in that !
Can you tell us other alien races names ?!! That would be cool :)

OK.. this is enough for one post,
Mihai

Hi Mustardseed,

Through my communications with the Green Lady, the "avatar" of the Spirit of the Earth, I have come to know this spirit as a life-giver (a term the Pleiadians also use in recognition of her role). She is a giver and caretaker of life, who directly accesses the pure and primal energy that is the Creator, to whom she is also directly answerable.

When you come into the presence of such a being, the radiance of the pure energy, which is also an overwhelming feeling of the purest of love, you are left with no doubt that this being is not a neg of any kind. Such a presence cannot be forged. That kind of love, which washes through your entire being, cannot be mimmicked.

I would not question the Spirit of the Earth any more on the point of the acknowledgement of Jesus. Her very presence is testemony enough of which "side" she is on, and her trustworthyness. To press this point any further would be crossing into areas of human semantics and religious dogma. Such benchmarks can become a stumbling block rather than a guide.

Kind regards,
James.

Ok my friend , I understand. Thats your choice. But let me ask you a question just to understand it correctly. If a Spirit or guide in beneign or good or whatever we choose to call it, didn't different people incl Robert say it would be glad to oblige to any question or desire on your part. My reason for my self wanting to ask this is based solely on my beliefsystem , I realise that, and hoping to not offend I will qoute you just a tiny scripture to explain why I believe it is a good thing to do, and do that regularily.

Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
(Whole Chapter: 2 Corinthians 11 In context: 2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

Please do not get up in arms everyone . I am not saying you should all believe as I do but merely telling you how it works for me. Thats all. If you reject those teachings that is your choice and I have no problem with that.

Regards Mustardseed

Mustardseed.

I do not think that anyone will take offense.  Use of scripture and various religious sayings to help define the way you think, so that people understand why's and what not's is fine.  You have not struck me as the kind of person who tries to force others to think like they do.  That's where everyone has the problem.

I would be willing to bet that at some point, in the very early stages, James did test the validity of the entity in question.  But he did so in his own way.  It is some thing that almost everyone does.

You do however make a good point with that one line.  There are plenty of various sayings one could use, but they all imply the same thing.  
Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Greek's bearing gifts.
Swimming with sharks.
And on and on.

The process is all a matter of what fits into your belief system.  There is also the perspective of being the one who has the experience.  They are the only ones who can eventually tell who or what they are dealing with.  The rest of us can only speculate.

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Absolutely. Maybe I have not made myself clear. I am exploring the validity and effectivness of MY OWN BELIEF not challenging yours/his. As I mentioned I have used this formula with Spirits in exorsisms and have had some good results ,(and some seemingly not so good) and I am merely trying to see if that will work in the Astral. The question was originally for Taysin actually as he was encountering a entity he had not previously known, then James jumped in but according to him he does know his guide and I assume that she is timetested for good fruit! I nevertheless think it is an interesting test and the issue of dodging answers is very real and since it is used widely in Catholic and Christian work in my opinion it has validity. In my own experience it is not hard to pretend to be good I have had "friends" or aquaintences  for years who at time of testing showed their "real" face. That is life and the Astral seem to echo this .Like you say beware of the greeks bearing gifts, is that how it goes?

Regards Mustardseed

Hi Mustardseed,

I take no offence at all, and your reasoning is sound.
To help clarify this question a little further, and with more apologies to Tayaisn for diverting his topic....
My first reaction when I felt to test the validity of the Green Lady was to ask her about Jesus. Seemed to me a well known benchmark. He responses were as I've already indicated, however to help settle the matter here I took some time this morning to speak directly with the Spirit of Nature again just to see how she feels about this questioning. I've written down what she's told me, with the exception of the instances where shes told me to pay attention or stop putting words in her mouth.[:I]

"Yes Mustardseed's reasoning is sound, there is definitely a need to be cautious when in contact with spirits, though your own perceptions go a long way towards determining just who and what you end up contacting. Trepidation will tend to attract the negative. Hope and honesty will attract the positive. When you seek the spirits, seek with an attitude of love and open honesty. The spirits that would guide you truly will guard against those that would decieve, but nonetheless, always ask of us who we really are. A true spirit of light will not be offended, and will willingly answer your questions, Only a spirit of darkness will become impatient and angry at such questioning."

"You ask me about Jesus. Yes he is among us, he is real, he has ascended from an earthly existence and yes he is the son of the creator, that people call God, and we correctly refer to him as My Lord Jesus. But beware of the exact definitions that people place upon him, for human thinking has distorted somewhat his true nature. Only when they meet him will they know just who and what he really is. Until then, keep an open mind, but keep in your heart the love and respect that he does deserve."

"How do I see him personally? I love him, dearly! He treats me like a sister and an equal. Its so easy to be close to him, he's so relaxed and easy going. He never places himself above those he loves, but is always your friend and companion, never your master. Not once has he demanded respect, ever. He doesn't have to."

The emotion that was coming from the Green Lady at this point was bringing tears to my eyes - the feeling of love and respect she has for Jesus is so great.

The irony I find in all of this is that I have come to know more about the personality of Jesus through talking to this "Pagan" spirit that the christian church would deny, even rebuke, than I ever did sitting listening to the preachings of those rebuking ministers that claim to love him.

Cainam, thanks for your kind words.
It is true that the spirits will talk with us using phrases and terminology that best suits our individual understanding. Sometimes the meanings do need to be "translated" from one person to the next. A large part of this is because the communication comes not just as words, but as feelings, emotions, and you can often derive more from the emotional presenese than the words they use.

Tay,
Feel free to jump in here at any time. It is after all your topic.
[:)]

Take care,
James.

Wow how exieting, my wife needs the computer but I will read this again and reply later. Thanks for not getting defensive.
Regards MS

If you'd care to entertain a quite clueless question,
does this have anything to do with the "Galactic Alliance" that I've heard about?

I would like to jump in here for a moment and comment on what Tayesin and James S have stated regarding trusting guides. I have read the whole thread. I would first like to state that I'm by no means anywhere near as experienced at this stuff (astral travel) as many of you here. But I have done it and have had some absolutely incredible experiences. But like Mustardseed, I am always cautious of who and what I converse with. Which is one of the reasons I have stopped using the pendulum (as referenced in The Trush Shall Be Known thread). I was never able to get a 'good' read on the entity that was trying to communicate with me.

However, in the astral, I find it much easier to sense an entities true identity. And, not that James or Tayesin need it, I would like to simply say that I agree completely with them when they explain why the trust their guides. I don't have a guide that I'm aware. However, I do use the 'knowing' that they explain.

And as bizarre, unreal, and off the wall as this will sound, I have actually knelt in front of Jesus. Yes, the 'real' Jesus. I am not psycho nor do I have illusions of grandeur. I'm actually a fairly grounded person, so I know how completely 'looney' my statement sounds. But, just as James mentioned, there isn't a doubt in my mind who he was. He didn't have to say anything. His presence was such that no one could EVER confuse it for something else. ANd I am positive that 'negs' could never come close to emanating the light and love and compassion that he does so naturally.

It is an experience that I completely and absolutely treasure beyond all else. This experience has confirmed some of my thoughts regarding current christianity as well as changed some notions that I had held.

I realize that you don't know me from Adam. And you don't need to take my word about my experiences. That's not why I'm posting. I'm merely giving another persons view on sensing/knowing/feeling things about other entities. When in the astral, higher beings emit something that cannot be likened to 'sheeps clothing'. There are just some things that you can't fake. But, as always, you need to experience this knowing for yourself. If you don't, then I would recommend that you be open yet cautious. Good luck!

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And as bizarre, unreal, and off the wall as this will sound, I have actually knelt in front of Jesus. Yes, the 'real' Jesus......

It is an experience that I completely and absolutely treasure beyond all else. This experience has confirmed some of my thoughts regarding current christianity as well as changed some notions that I had held.

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I have no problems at all believing this Novice.
My closest friend has told me of an experience very much like yours - meeting the REAL Jesus face to face. My friend has been a regular church going born again christian for a large part of his life, but he felt he was just going through the motions.

25 years in church gave him some faith, some hope and some belief. 5 minutes in the presence of Jesus and now he KNOWS with no doubt whatsoever!

Thanks for your post Novice. You're right - you can't doubt the emotional / energetic presence of beings such as this.

[:)]
James.

Good post novice. I would have to say that I look forward to the experience. As I said I never did meet or communicate with anyone there in the astral so my caution comes strictly from a theoretical viewpoint. I certainly embrace the possibility that once I encounter this experience I might be more ...understanding. However i that in my universe and also as far as RB seems to indicate , rather ask a question too much than to little.

Regards MS

Hi All,
I have a couple of hours in between doing things....would you believe my car also died this week, LOL.  Wonder why I created that? [:P]

Dino,
Yes, I was reffering to going into the astral for yourself so that you can experience first hand.  It's not as hard as it seems and with regular daily practice it will come much more easily.  You can do it!

Tao,
OMFG,I hope this isn't "and the truth.....Part 2".  It certainly wasn't my intention.  What can I tell you about the Zeta's and Plieadians? Not much I would think, LOL.  I have known for some time that what we call the Zeta's are two main groups that did have similar heritage but have diverged into differently motivated groups.  I do not agree with the answer in the Zeta thread that I got about the group I have had contact with during my life, as one of the taller, pale-grey one's has always been present and was present during this last contact in the astral.  I know 'him' to be friendly and honest, so I doubt that the group I mentioned have malicious intent towards me or our race, as supposed by the Zeta thread answer.

Also, I do not know the names of other races, I have great difficulty using these terms already as each has connotations that are hard to avoid, much like using the word 'Psychic' does!  

Ceriel N,
All I know is I was told by a trusted guide that the ship was a 'Federation' ship, so I suppose the words are not dis-similar to Galactic Alliance.  And I still think the terms used here are very Trekky,LOL.  But even that does not surprise me as I was told during my Kundalini raising experience that Gene Roddenberry had these concepts implanted in him !  

Mustard,
I see no reason for anyone to get up in arms over your line of questioning or use of quotes from the Bible.  In fact the quote is on par with my attitude of always testing the entities that communicate with us, it is sound advice my friend.

The answers have all been supplied already, by James, Novice, about how we can tell the difference between who has manifest for our betterment and who has not.  I am personally excited for Novice with his experience as it parallels my own 'seeing' of Jesus to some extent.  What stood out was the immense wealth of Loving energy that radiated from this being, and further experience taught me that what are called negs here cannot duplicate the depth and strength of that energy, in fact, they are completely unable to be in it's presence.  This is the tool I use for dealing with them in the astral and it works 100% of the time.  I can not doubt that now.

All,
Thanks for keeping the conversations going, I do not see any of it as hijacking the topic, rather it is a wonderful exploration our various beliefs and experiences.  And that my friends is what we are all at this site for anyway. [:P]

Love Always.[:)]

Thank you for your reply. I've always had my suspicions about Star Trek...

And, just like everybody else, the Galactic Alliance/Federation is on the web:

http://www.paoweb.com/gfmember.htm
[:D]
This page should let you judge if it's authentic or not.

Hi Tay,

Hope you're OK.

SInce you've shown me that my attacker is "human" the same things you would use to work against Negs is not very effective against humans. I've sent light to mine, forgiven mine, and all it's done is pumped him full of energy.

COme back soon so we can start resolving this [:D]

I wish your family well.

PS, Let me know soon if I can come clean to the group about what is happening,...during the data download I had last Feb/Mar something was mentioned to me that was similar to suspicions regarding Mayatnik...or at least it might be, I don't really know. I need my reality checked because my reality is being screwed around with.

I agree with that test negs - i`m sure it works just fine - no doubt about that !
I never meant that they are evil Tayesin - what i meant whan i said it is like "The  truth shall be known... Part 2" is that you began this new Alien Story 2 - though that everybody knows that Sitchin is a fake :P

The thing that i do not understand is - you say you were staying at that table with all those aliens making strategies - then you came here and posted them - well.. lol... i`m sure reptilians do have internet acces :) this is fishy :D

I expect your reply Tayesin with great interest,
Mihai

WOW this is a long topic.  

Tayesin, you sure have had some interesting experiences!  You mentioned that the R's "consume all things energetic," and you are so right.  This triggered my memory of a scene I was shown a couple of years ago.  I had pretty much forgotten about it, but it was important.  It was a brief but very vivid, lucid travel.  

I was taken to a sports stadium where a game was taking place.  It was nighttime, so I could better see all the activity going on.  Above ground, the huge stadium was brightly lit and I could hear all the yelling, cheering, booing, people arguing, etc., all the sounds associated with team sports.  I could also feel the energy, it was a busy, confused, erratic energy that made me uncomfortable.  I could also see that just below the stadium there was an "energy processing plant" being run by ??? aliens (R's?).  There was a tunnel running from the stadium down into this processing plant, and the energy was flowing downward.  The plant below was just a huge as the stadium above, I could see it as if it were a cut away side view (ever see an "ant farm?").  There was just as much activity below as there was above.  It was brightly lit and beings were busily moving about.  They were feeding on this hectic energy created by human sports fans!  I was given the impression that there is a processing plant like this underneath every sports stadium on earth, as well as all places that produce similar energy.  Hhhmmm.  No wonder I've never liked team sports!

I have been told and shown by my guides over and over again to handle attacks calmly, unemotionally, but firmly, with a simple but forceful "NO."  It has worked for me over and over again.  I am certain that the bad aliens feed on our negative emotional energy.  We starve them when we stay calm and loving.

Hey Kristina, very interesting experience you had. I never heard of energy processing plants before. heh

Hi,

Ceriel,  thanks for the link, I haven't looked yet, will do soon.

Dark, he has only upped the game and we will fix this.

Tao, yes I did do that.  I wanted to share the experience.  You make up your own minds.  At the worst, it is only an interesting journey I had.  At best, a peek into a wider picture.  I do not want to make it anymore than that.  It would be funny if the reptilians didn't have internet connection.  

Don't know if I would say Sitchin is a fake... his qualifications would hold him in good company.  In another thread I wrote that he has elaborated some in his translations of the Sumerian Tablets and possibly expanded on some detail within his books.  But, the basis of his work is still fairly concise.  I only know this because a close friend also worked to decipher the same Tablet series as Sitchin in the same period, and after reading her work I can see glaring differences in the translations.  

Kristina, that is some lucid event you witnessed.  How has this effected your day to day life ?  I do not doubt that this is very possibly a real scenario, although as with my own recent experience, I wish it was not.  Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Love Always.[:)]

I have sent you an PM Tayesin - why haven`t you replied - please contact me on MSN if possible :D

Mihai

Hi Tao,
I have been busy, and just added you to my MSN contacts list.  So we have had our first communication, and I finally found out who the dark-haired person was who wanted to talk with me.  She came on just before we finished talking, cool hay.[:P]  Will be in touch soon.

Love Always.[:)]

Hey Tay, why did they choose you? Is it because of your AP experience?

Hi Tayesin,

I read your story about the reptilians and other aliens that are visiting the earth and the Armageddon escenary, back in time in 1993 two people and me were abducted by an UFO when we were planning to sleep in the ceiling of my house, the abduction lasted for 6 hours. I don't know what they did to us, my question is next..

Do you know why the UFO are abducting people? and Why they return the people after their abductions?

Best regards

jc, it might be the whole 'previous life'-thing. Tay said he felt like he had been in that room many times before, so he probably has.

ds

there are many websites and channeled info that talks about this sort of things. The reptiles are supose too be from 4th density, and yeah they feed off negative energy in that density. here in the third the are supose too, from what i have read, feed of flesh blood etc. like they bath in it or something. this is all subjective though.

Aliens freak me out! If I could, I would kill them all if they tried to swarm my bed!

Do you kill everything that scares you...?

I know it is controversial to say but personally I think the whole thing could be a fiction of your mind Tay. I think it might possibly  be your pride and subconsious desire to be involved in stuf like this and that this whole scenario is created. It sounds like the Icky conspiracies and I think it may possibly be a dimension created in the astral by a mass of people who read his stuf as well as other stuf, treckies, and some astral pulsers .
Ok put those rocks down guys.!![;)]Just my opinion and view.
Regards MS

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Nope, not at all. I just hate Aliens.

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I know it is controversial to say but personally I think the whole thing could be a fiction of your mind Tay.

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Ok, so how do you explain the fact that both Tay and I have met the same spirit being? He met her in the astral, I met here both there and here in the real world.

James.

Hi All,

JC,
I don't know why I was taken there, maybe it is a past life thing as Ceriel said or maybe I am involved in ways that I am not aware of yet.  Time will tell, although I am not sure if I will share it when I find the answer, LOL.

HyperD,
there are a lot of claims and other info out there about why people are abducted.  For me, it has been to help with health issues, to take sperm when I was 12 yrs old, and I suppose some of it has been for experimental reasons that I could not answer honestly.  Some of it has been to provide time-locked information that will open when certain events occur, as it is slowly doing now.

I think MJ answered the question as to why they return us, and perhaps there is more to it than any of us know.  If as great souls we chose these things before incarnating, then it would seem that many, many more of us are involved and at higher awareness levels than our day to day focus.  Which of course raises more questions.

Mustard,
I wish it was, David.  That would be so much easier to live with than the possibility of this being a real scenario, as it would only mean that I am crazy.  And, I can live with that.[:P]
LOL at the "put down the rocks"[:D]

I figure that if some of us know that more things exist because we have seen them in the astral realms, then all things must exist in all realms.  I think it goes something like this.....Our picture/perspective......a bigger picture.....then an even bigger picture and so on, onto ever larger pictures of what exists.  Within all of those awareness states, more and more things must possibly exist, otherwise none of it could.  Nothing can exist of itself without the whole of existence, at least that is my thought anyway.

Love Always.[:)]

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Nope, not at all. I just hate Aliens.

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Why do you hate aliens...?  And what do you call alien?
A simple spider could be called alien too...

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personally I think the whole thing could be a fiction of your mind

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Personaly, I think it is also a problem of interpretation of the experiences...  2 people could have the same experience and choose 2 different interpretations of it.

Well why could you both not partake of the same astral reality? We are building astral locale right. I also memember the pm you sent me about the Maytnik thread. Now you seem to have changed your mind. I find it somewhat questionable. I believe you were right about that thread. It is my opinion there are more to this .
Regards MS

Tayesin you posted:

"Again I opened to see who was there and saw a man about 45 to 50 with dark hair who said, "Why are you interferring with what I am doing?" I answered, " I am only trying to help those who have asked for help." He then said, "You will lose, you're going down." Then he too left, I felt he was the man responsible for some of the psychic attacks that some forum members are having."

What kind of attacks? I don´t get to the astral forum at some time, and it seems that i have loosed many things....

Please explain me, if you can, the nature of the attacks.

thanks

I do not know why I call it alien, I guess the public image got into me to much.

Hi All,

Mustard,
I haven't changed my mind about the Mayatnik thread stuff, especially since the answers I got from the 'Zeta's' were not as detailed as I had hoped and they did not show anything that I did not already know, and in some cases was completely opposed to what I do know.  So the cautious doubts I had when I PM'd you are still relevent.

This was in no way intended to be like that thread, I just thought this was such a wild experience that it was worth sharing to get as many different views from people as possible.  So I think the motivations are very different.

Kazbadan,
I do not think it appropriate to share the particulars of those attacks I mentioned.  Suffice to say that some members have been experiencing psychic attack and some of them are attributed to the US government's mind control programs.  This dark haired man is one of the controllers who operates with some of these people, and he is not the slightest bit happy with my interference in their work.  So there is much more work to do in order to free these people from the connections and re-empower them to proceed strongly with their own lives.

Love Always.[:)]

Thank you Tay, you just answered my question.

I am one of the people who is being afflicted by this "dark haired" man, who I have also seen dressed in a Santa Claus Outfit?!

I'm gonna post something soon, I just wanted to wait to hear some kind of "go ahead" from Tay that it would be all right to do (I'm not the only one here being afflicted, I didn't want to bring the house down unannounced).

Before I say anything else, I would like to ask one thing. Before all this nonsense happened to me, I hated conspiracy theories, nothing personal against people who study them. I was more interested in helping people heal, and I always thought conspiracy theories took the spotlight away from the suffering.

Whatever you choose to believe, is it asking much for some respect. I AM A HUMAN BEING, NOT A DAMN CONSPIRACY THEORY!

Right now, I have a personal problem of my own to attend to...a senior scientist at work wanted me to falsify results to get a project out by the due date even though it obviously didn't work. I refused but realised I had to find another job quickly. THank God, yesterday I did, longer drive but better money.


I'll write about what's happened to me after Tay has said OK.

WHOAAAAA! Tay. Just realized I misread part of your post.

When you say, "don't share the details" do you mean "how it's actually done" or "generalities of what's happening to people"

Let me know before I screw up and help this guy inadvertently.

Tay, I learned how they destroy boundaries and people's identities, what I know could help other people heal. Is there a danger in what I am doing? How long should I wait?

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some members have been experiencing psychic attack and some of them are attributed to the US government's mind control programs.

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A stupid question: why would the US government be interested in attacking simple (no offense) people like you...?  If they really wanted to "harm" you, there are many easier/efficient way to do it than to use psy stuff...

Although I'm cautious about referring to my situation as a "government scenario" (Sorry Tay, I still have to keep my mind open to other things...even though I can't deny certain things that have happened, I can't totally dismiss the government thing either) I may not be all that simple...and neither may a whole lot of other people (When Tayesin Ap'd to me and rammed heads with this Dark haired jerk, Tay told me via email that I was only one of many that these people had worked on).

Tay hasn't gotten a chance to really look into my case for specifics on how I was "chosen" but I have a few ideas on why.

I'm a grey abductee (sorry, I refuse to use the word Zeta). Before I discovered I was a grey abductee, I thought my purpose in life was to do two things. One: Become a good chemist and help where I could (it didn't have to be life altering fantastic or a cure for cancer, just a cog in the wheel). Second: Write a book on Race relations and teach people how to be more empathic and understanding with each other...how to break down the barriers that keep us all separate. Then the greys entered my life. I denied that they were actually picking me up for 5 years (had no scars, missing time, but very strange nightly encounters). Finally something happened where I couldn't deny it anymore. When i searched to find out why they just started picking me up all of a sudden, I was told (not sure on accuracy here, Tay, one more thing I need you to look into when you have time) that they were interested in my concepts of empathy and wanted me to teach them the "how" and "why."

Now before we get into the "specialness" horse*!@#, I would like to say something. I was not, nor do I ever believe that I was the sole teacher of the greys with regards to empathy and emotion (something I always used to yell at them...Emotions are not a criminal act). All abductees played a role in teaching them that lesson, and a hard often frightening one at that. But I do believe I had something to offer. It didn't come from a title, it came from my heart. Problem is people get all bent out of shape because 1) there are too many Cult figures seeking audiences for their own gain and 2) too many people are afraid because they can't dilineate between what's a title mentality and what is a heart driven mentality. So it's all lumped in one pile under "cult figure" and killed off just to be safe. I understand this fear, but I am getting tired of feeling like I have to constantly apologize for having a loving heart that cares. I get this attitude of "What makes you think you're special?" I keep wondering, "Why aren't we all capable of doing this?"

And with all do respect,...I have been raped, molested, brain washed, terrorized, my identity annihilated,...I'm not feeling very special. I feel like I'm less than an animal, not even ranking as a brand of cattle.

Were the twins Josef Mengele took out of line for use in his experiments "special"?

Whether you believe it's the government or not, I am being attacked, and my attacker is human. Don't you want to at least hear what I have been through first? (Tay when and how can I do this).

Nagual,

In further answer to your question, Sorry, but if you're thinking of the things I think you are (killing me, putting me in jail, etc) I don't believe that would be the easier way at all. Too many questions would be raised.

The psy stuff is easier. No need to break in, no listening devices, nothing physical to say, "Look at what's happening to me." You're under their thumb 24/7. No one in the public believes in the psy stuff, but what if they found a listening device in my apt, what if I was killed mysteriously in a populated apt complex, or put in jail with a fake reason (books on finding people falsely accused of crimes seem to be the hit nowadays).

Driving someone insane so they can't function, having a piece of the attacker's energy carried inside of you at all times,...easier, cleaner, no questions asked because no one would believe it.

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A stupid question: why would the US government be interested in attacking simple (no offense) people like you...?  If they really wanted to "harm" you, there are many easier/efficient way to do it than to use psy stuff...

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Hi Nagual,
it isn't about causing harm to anyone, in fact they do not care about doing that as it is a side-effect of their program.   They use people from all walks and sectors of communities, as you may remember, most of the people who have been used to attack and or do other atrocious things have all been un-knowns.  The perfect example was the man used to ensure that Australia was disarmed a few years ago, or even the Oklahoma bomber.  Each was a relatively unknown and supposedly unimportant member of the society.  As an aside to this, the mechanism used to trigger these people has been ULF transmissions.  it is recorded that many people felt the sensations of ULF transmissions in the weeks leading up to both events.  

There are more things going on around us in the everyday world than most people are aware of and Government based mind control programs have been in existence since the end of WW2, so they have had plenty of time to improve and refine their subversive methods.

Dark,
I did not want to give the details of anyone's experiences as it is a little like the doctor/patient confidentiality as far as I am concerned.  So I would not divulge any details on this forum, if you would like to share it then that is up to you as it is your choice.

And I would rather we keep the work we are doing together out of the forums, as it really is private work.  At least when you are on the other side of this you will be in a position to help people with similar problems, and then you will fulfill one of your intended tasks.

SO that's my 5 cents worth this time, C ya's

Love Always.[:)]

OK,

I won't go into full blown detail then, it's just hard is all...

Part of what they do is destroy your boundaries/identity, I know how debilitating that is. I just wish on an empathy perspective I could describe some of the things I've been experienceing just so people can see it and know they're not crazy, horrible persons as these individuals try so hard to make you believe. There is a pattern to what they do, and how the identity is destroyed.

If the cancer symptoms are kept secret, how do you know if you have it or not?

Should I never talk about this or wait until I'm free and then do it. How can I help people if they don't know what's happening to them?

Tay,

If you're telling me you believe McVeigh was brainwashed by a shadow US government to blow up the Murrah building, I think I'm going to need more proof before I believe that. [:I]

What? No he was not!

I dont think any of us have enough info to say McVeigh was or was not brainwashed by the government.

But why would they do it? Its murder.

Sorry, but that made me smile... [:D]
We all know the government is full of peacefull and honest persons that would never harm anyone in anyway... [;)]

Back to my question: So, if as you said, they choose un-known people... why do you think they chose you?  Are you weak-minded and more easily brainwashable?  Are you someone with some kind of powers that could be used?  Famous scientist?  Do you have special access or know some people that they could have a use for?  What did they ask you to do so far?

BTW, with the nice little "patriot act" that our friend GW Bush voted, they could use the terrorist excuse and throw you in some secret jail without any trial and keep it secret and still be legal...  I don't see anything easier than that...

Also, why did the government try to use "normal" assasination technics on some oponents (which mostly failed) if they could use all the psi stuff?

Nope, I disagree.

A lot of people are opposing the patriot act in America, and the news has had spreads on marches and lawyers going up against the government for picking people up with little or insufficient evidence against them. It's not a silent job.

Me? Powers? Good SCientist? Are you kidding? Well, actually I'm a great scientist but hardly Nobel material [^]. My third eye and other chakras were all clamped down long before I ever even ahd an interest in using them (I was open minded to psy abilities and UFO stuff, but it happened to other people, not me).

The only thing I'll volunteer is the typical UFO ClapTrap I was accustomed to hearing before all this happened to me. No one questions an assasination of a political figure, undesirable, etc (might object to it, but unfortunately not hard to imagine).

If people are suddenly put in jail or assasinated because they're alledgedly involved in the UFO stuff, well, isn't it almost validating something a little too unbelievable. Yeah, we had to throw her in jail, assasinate her, whatever, because these little grey people show up in ships, pick her and others like her up, and we have no control over it. Doing the psy stuff probably fights the greys, whoever, on their terms also, making things a helluva lot more difficult.

I was "forced" into doing things, I won't say what though because I made a promise.

I do have scars now, though, after 10 years of just night encounters. Needle marks are a little tougher to explain other than just AP delusions.

I haven't visited this topic in a while and now I see it's grown quite a bit, all the new stuff being extremely interesting. However, it only raises a question; what is this stuff about Mayatnik? Isn't (or wasn't) he a member of this forum? Anyways, best of luck with the attacks Dark (meaning I hope they stop soon).

zx

Exactly MJ-12, the federal building has a lot of holes in the supposed truth.  Actually, a couple years ago an engineer came out with a document stating all the flaws with the bombing.  1)  It was a federal building and amazing no federal workers were in the building that day.  That's kind of wierd don't you think.  A federal building with hundreds of federal agents all taking the day off.  2)  That crap about crap blowing up the building alongside one support pillar.  There is no way that one half ton truck full of crap could have takin out one pillar and that lead to the destruction of the building.  They actually did a test and re-created the event and it didn't work.  There would have had to have been other much stronger explosives on many other pillars.

He had more evidence but, I can't remember right off hand because I have lost the document somewhere in my file cabinet.

Tay,

I won't discuss anything w/out your permission. But there is something about the Mayatnik threads that I'm suspicious of because of the data download I experienced last Feb/Mar.

Let me throw water on a potential fire, no, I am not going to level an accusation against someone and say "they're a g-goonie." I have absolutely no evidence or suspicion that Mayatnik is working for the government.

I am suspicious of the information that came through, and a perfectly innocent person can unintentionally transmit not so true info.

Hey Dark Knight, you forgot to mention a little detail about yourself that I got from another of your posts...

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I'm a grey ET abductee
Yes, I'll reiterate, I'm an ET soul in human form.

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Didn't you think this little detail was important in your governmental attackers story...?

Hi,

I agree with MJ and Follower, there is much more to these events than what we, the unimportant Plebs, are told.  It amazes me that in this day and age so many people still believe that their Governments would not do anything to harm them.  You Americans have seen with your own eyes the contempt that your government holds for you, witness the mass sprayings of the population with DDT back in the '50's I think it was, the very real possibility that your own Government had a lot to do with the 'White-Powder'events after 9/11 and so many other events that you could research for yourselves.  Furthermore, within the last two years wasn't legislation passed that allows the government to use the population, without their consent or knowing, as subjects in any form of military experiment, be it biological or other ?

Here in Australia we had an event occur that caused us to be disarmed almost completely.  The person used as the scapegoat was supposedly insane, although it has come to light that he was a part of the mind control program from the Tavestock Institute in London.  And the weapons he was supposed to have used had been surrendered to Police in Sydney two years before he somehow came to own them and alledgedly use in Tasmania.  These weapons were retreived by the Police and immediately destroyed, so we are told.

I have read expert testimony from my country's top military marksmen who claim that there had to have been at least four shooters to have made the killings in the time frame allowed !  Also, in the underground there has been a video floating around that shows two men in black suits casually standing at the door to where the majority of people where shot, at the exact time of the shootings.  One was videoing the event and in the footage you can also see another black-suited man inside the Cafe also recording the event on video.  By the way, the coroner's report on the more than 20 people killed in those few minutes shows that each was killed by head and heart shots, this goes against the governments press release that the scapegoat was a poor shot and had little working knowledge of firearms.

Add to this that our Government immediately decided, without reffering to the population, that it would disarm us all.  Then they put a thirty year moratorium ban on any research or official questioning!  Sounds a whole lot like what your U.S government does, doesn't it?

I received a report last year on the Bali bombing(s) that consisted of a scenario built around the forensic evidence that came from the site.  It made a strong suggestion that a Micro-nuclear device was placed under the street and remotely detonated, which accounts for the massive hole in the street outside the Sari club, the fact that many people are still missing (presumed vapourised), the incredible burns suffered by those repatriated to Australia and commented on by out top burns specialists as being, "Like nothing we have ever seen", and it also accounts for why paint on vehicles 200 yards away was burned off in a flash while the occupants still sat in the car alive !  No reference to this hole or other evidence was made in Australian news reports, although it was common knowledge in Indonesia.  In fact, Indonesia's Parliament had many public meetings about how a micro-nuclear device had been used!  Would you believe that the the media here and in Indonesia is owned by the same person, an Australian.  Which begs the question as to why these things were not reported here and insinuates that we are being kept in the dark like Mushrooms again.  I had known before this event that our Government would need to get the public support to join your miitary in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that some Australians would have to die in order to make the population angry enough to go along with it, well, that is what happened!

All this shows me that NO-ONE can trust their Government or any of it's agencies to protect anyone, defend anyone but themselves and their interests, as the puppets that they all so obviously are.  So wake up and smell the dead roses paople, their is a whole lot more going on in the power struggles for our world than what any of us truly understand.  Time for a mass revolution don't you think?

that's my bit again.

Love Always.[:)]

Some very good facts, Tay!


Yes you can not trust your government but they do the bad things to help the rest of their people in the long run. Thats how I see it.

Government is a tricky issue to deal with... especially against the people that would stick up for it no matter what.

We've got a lot of problems in the system of government over here.  With the change of power over to republican suddenly it seems that the government is only interested in money.  And if that's the case, then of course all the people have to only care about money as well.  Doesn't that sound familiar anyway?  Forced to work a 9-5 (or 7-6 in my mom's case) job for little pay just to scrape by when we have the rich who live off of the interest of billions of dollars.

Pass a law to allow snowmobiles in Yellowstone? SURE!  Let a bill through that allows the poaching of endangered species? Where do I sign!  Let's drill for oil in ALASKA!  We're sure to be rich off of that!  Money Money MONEY!!!

What's up with healthcare?  I'm only 17 but I know a thing or two about it... how can a stupid little pill with bothersome side-effects cost so much money?!  And why is it 90% cheaper in Canada?

Like I said, there are a lot of things in our government that we have problems with here.  The patriot act is just the newest nuisance.  Do you know why these laws pass?  To instill fear into the public.  Now people are afraid of doing bad things, breaking the law, and hacking servers on the internet.  Supposedly this protects us from the supposed terrorists.  And it will help us win the war we started with a country that didn't want it, and did nothing wrong.

...One Nation, indivisible, with liberty...

~Squeek

PS - So getting back on topic...

This government can never live up to that anymore. The constitution is basicly dead.

Sorry, thought it was common knowledge that I was an ET incarnate and an abductee.

OOOOooo! I'm an ET soul in human form, I'm sooooo special....ugh, the credit card debt isn't going away, and I still have to go to work [xx(]

Ok, in all seriousness, no I don't believe in my government at all. I still recall watching Good Morning America citing a CIA report about the government contemplating shooting down a Cuban airliner and blaming it on the Cubans as an excuse for invasion. That's not the problem I have.

The problem I have is that I've been undergoing a thorough brainwashing for the past 5 years and paranoia about who you can and cannot trust was a favorite ploy. It almost got me killed and could've hurt a lot of other people. It's not that I don't believe the government would sink that low...I simply refuse to play the game without more than general, circumstantial evidence. It's a very good brainwashing tool, and I have had enough, thank you very much. Until I see the forms in the context of the situation that McVeigh was brainwashed by the US government to blow up the Murrah building, I'm afraid I'm going to have to suspend belief (You don't think there were abductees in Oklahoma City, some being affected by ULF waves by the government at the time it was happening?). My sanity is far more important to me, and I've lost too much of it as is.

I'm going to write about what happened to me. I've just made that decision now after reading all this.

I'm a person whose life has been ruined and was almost killed because of all this, not some anonymous, fictional tabloid headline.

My family has been hurt, and I've watched them channel members of my family while I sit back powerless to do anything. They've threatened to kill my family, to kill members in the UFO community if I didn't do what they said (now that's a laugh, they had me contact certain members of the UFO community like some brainless puppet then told me if I didn't do what they said, they would kill said members because I contacted them!?).  

I'm not saying trust the government. But taking a course like this could eventaully have us all at each other's throats, something else I'm sure they want.

Besides, if you really want to go out after the government, wouldn't it make more sense to help people who are suffering like me (study me and my experiences and others like me, Tay mentioned a list) to get first hand knowledge instead of going after stories with flimsy, generalized, circumstantial evidence which may or may not be true depending on what kind of mood the g-goonies are in?

Now what a second, Dark Knight, I wasn't trying to say to not trust the government.  I was just trying to say that things are not what they seem.  I don't hate the government or like the government.  I have just gotten tired of playing the game.  I am tired of trying to get credit, my own house, and my own car, just so they have something to take away from me.  That is the real reason why they like people who are married, with good credit, children, a mortgage, and a car.  Those people have something to lose so it gives other people in control leverage over them.

For this reason I have decided to stop playing the game.  I am not going to have a regular job, a mortgage, a car (to speak of), or anything like that.  It is a simple concept.  Once you have a job you need to get to your job.  You get a car so that you can do this.  You probably want a house so you can start a family and this also gives you a tax cut.  Well if you have all of these things then you put yourself in danger of losing it.  If you lose it then you can't work, then your lifestyle goes to hell, then your kids are crying.  If you have nothing then you have nothing to lose.  Once you have nothing then life becomes a whole lot more simplistic.

Either you can control people or you can be controlled.  Either you can have the money and make the laws or you can be the labor and obey the laws and slowly get raped.  I never liked that truth so I will quit the game.  It is that simple.  After that the worst thing anyone can do to you is kill you and that doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't agree with the government or disagree with the government.  I just refuse to play the game.  I will probably just disappear somewhere.  It is really hard to find someone when they don't have a house address isn't?

Ok, so we start of on page one with Tay telling us all about his jaunts with aliens and how the reptiles are going to attak us, then, 8 confusing pages later we arrive at a discusion about the government[?] I'm so confused!!!![:(]

I always like my reptile and alien soup spiced up with a little cayenne government.  It adds a lot of zing to it with its fragrant bouque of spices with the gaminess of reptiles and the sweetness of alien.  If you want I can post a recipe.[:P]

I read that interview between the female reptilian and the human... The reptilians wont destroy us, its the alien race that geneticly enginerd us.

Well the interview is pretty cool, but some have noticed some parts of it that don't make sense.  So it either is all fake or all real and it was our mistake when reading it.  It could have been a plow that interview is, or Tay's dream could also be the same thing.  We won't know until it is to late, so it basicly sucks for us.  If only those scetches were posted then it would have been more beleiveable.

dino333
You missed page 7 where Tayesin says the dark haired creep he's running into (and attacking me) is one of the governments mind control groupies.

I want to hear your story, Dark Knight!

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Well the interview is pretty cool, but some have noticed some parts of it that don't make sense.  So it either is all fake or all real and it was our mistake when reading it.  It could have been a plow that interview is, or Tay's dream could also be the same thing.  We won't know until it is to late, so it basicly sucks for us.  If only those scetches were posted then it would have been more beleiveable.

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Unfortuantly your correct [:(]

Hello,

I would like to add my experiences and thoughts to this topic.

The Reptilians are beings in the forth dimension. Yes, they can be called "aliens", but then so can we, because we were created by them. Although they are in one dimension over our's it doesn't mean that they are pure good or that they are better than us. It doesn't mean that they're pure evil or worse than us either. You know, you could compare their relation with us like our relation with animals. Some see us as their slaves and lower beings, some see us as cute companions to take care of and respect, some even see us as equals or even better than themselves – just like humans see animals.

Our relation with the Reptilians is a bit more complex though, since they created us and our genes are mixed with theirs. This is where the tricky thing begins. We are their children and therefore you could even compare our relation like human adults relation with children.

The humans on earth, created by the Reptilians, have now developed from being helpless, immature and innocent children, to teen-agers. And you know what teen-agers can be like. They can be frustrated, angry, upset and violent. They can be silent, depressed and confused. And they can be curious, innovative, eager and energetic. But they are on their way to becoming adults.

And this is where the whole issue begins. The time has now come for us humans to develop to the next stage, to become teen-agers and young adults in our higher body, mind and soul evolution. Just look at the world today and you'll se these teen-ager manners and influences everywhere.

Some of the Reptilians have a problem with their children growing up to become teen-agers and young adults, eventually equals to themselves. Just as we look on teen-agers: Some see them as a pain in the butt, without respect for adults or the world. Some envy teen-agers because they're young, beautiful and have the future before them. But also because they often had an easier childhood than the generation before – they stand on the shoulders of the generation before them, and can take all the advantages the earlier generations wished for and struggled to get for granted. Some admire teen-agers and would like to be like them, some see them as a potential threat to themselves. And finally some see teen-agers and young adults as a great possibility for development and innovation.

There is a Web over the earth, covering us and making our minds and thoughts blurred and manipulated by the Reptilians. As we enter the photon-belt, this belt will start to loosen up and eventually disappear. This has already started with the sun entering the photon-belt, which has lead to at least two things:
1) The increasing solar activity, solar flares etc. that surprises scientists all over the world
2) The increasing development of our selves (in relation to the astrological aspect of the sun). This means an increasing interest (that will get even bigger!!) in digging deep into our selves, to discover who we are and why, what we want to do, what we want to become. etc.

When the Web slightly gets looser and finally disappears, we are starting to realize that the Reptilians have manipulated and lied to us and shown us a world of limits and fairy tales that was not true. Just like a child growing up, we're about to discover that Santa Claus is not for real and that grown-ups (Reptilians) really don't have the answers to everything. We will discover that we actually are getting better than our own parents at certain sports, in certain subjects and so on. And this will make some of us disappointed and confused, some of us angry and afraid and some of us eager and assertive to develop further and explore.

Also, the similarities to TV-series like Star Trek and V or movies like X-men, Star Wars or The Matrix: This is something that's not really that strange. These ideas have "leaked out" through the web and through the ever ongoing communication between the dimensions.

Love and light,
Zebrima

i think the solar affects have nothing to do with this.

The sun is affected by the return of the Reptilians, as everything is connected.

The Reptilians return to the earth every 2160 years, so one year for them is like 2160 years for us. This means they age slower than we do (not faster as some think). The Cro Magnon that suddenly showed up about 38 000 years ago, was created by the "3rd" generation of Reptilians (the "1st " Generation of Reptilians created the Neanderthale 480 000 years ago). We are from the Cro Magnon, which is actually a breed of Reptilians of the "3rd" generation and Neanderthales. The Neanderthales were a breed of the Reptilians of the "1st" generation and apes. This makes us as Cro Magnons have more genes from the Reptilians, compared to the Neanderthales.

As Cro Magnons, we have at least two parallell development-phases for body, mind and soul: Our own, individual that is affected by the 1-year earth-cycle, the "3D-year". This comes from our earth-DNA and affects our karma and "earth-life". And then we have our common, collective development for body, mind and soul, that is set on the Reptilian year-span of 2160 years, the "4D -year".  This because we also have 4D-reptilian genes in our DNA. We have a larger heart, a larger mind and a larger soul than our own, individiual one.

One year in 3D is comparable to one year in 4D, which makes our collective body, mind and soul about 17-18 years old (38 000 divided with 2160). 2160 is also what it takes for a new "age" to come, f.ex. from the age of the Pisces to the age of the Aquarius. This is connected with the return of the Reptilians our"new age", it's our birthday as humankind or Cro Magnons, we become one year older both physically, spiritually and mentally. The Aquarius (together with Leo) are the two special ages that are associated with the entrance into the photon-belt. This makes our birthday and the return of the Reptilians even more special this time.

HI,

Zebrima,
Very interesting posts about the Reptilians, and much of it fits into the recorded history left to us by the Sumerians.  So I gather that you mean the Anunnaki(Those who from heaven to Earth came)are the Reptilians.

It is recorded that the Anunnaki were responsible for the genetic manufacture of Homo Sapien from a mixture of their and Homo Erectus (Upright Walking Man)genes, and it was a herdy worker that was unable to think in a way other than linear fashion for itself which made following orders and adapting their behaviour quite difficult for them.  This must have been Neanderthal.

The record also shows that the Anunnako decided to refine this model of a worker so this problem could be rectified.  And so the 'A-dam', Homo Sapien Sapien (Cro-Magnon) was created.  This is as we know, the version of human we call Modern Man.

For some time i had wondered about the remnants of primal 'reptilian' brain that each of us has at the base of the skull.  According to accepted opinion it is the one little thing that had came down to us from the age of the reptilian life-form dominance over the Earth that culminated in the massive dinosaurs of the Jurrasic period.

One of my friends has a theory that the Anunnaki and the Reptilian came to our world together to find and use the immense resources available, and in so doing each had a hand in the pot of our physical creation.  I't possible, as we do not know for sure exactly who or what the Anunnaki are, although this should be clarified for us in the coming years.

The Sumerians further recorded that the Anunnaki return here every 2,600 years, so it is a little out of sync with the precessional movement you were discussing, although the different aging patterns is well supported by the Texts left to us by them.

And the date of 480,000 years ago actually refers to the first landing on Earth by the Anunnaki according to the texts, and it was sometime before they decided to create a worker.  It is also recorded that they knew nothing about genetics and had to learn all about it in order to succesfully create the worker, it is recorded that the entire process took 50,000 Earth years to complete.  This also included the many failures they had.  By the way, the British Museum has some of the 'failures' that were found over the past century in huge Tar filled sarcophagai.  Their descritpion of the animals that were found in broken pices was, "Like creatures from our worst nightmares".  Interesting don't you think?

Love Always.[:)]

those creatures sound quite interesting.
Do you have any more information or links?

Hi Everyone! I just have one question. Why our planet? What about other third density planets that can sustaine life? Do they get into wars with extra terrestrials, or were they genetically engenered as well? I've just been wondering about that for some time now, and I don't mean anything offensive.

Thanks,
Michael

Hi All,

Arcane,
there are no links or sites with the information you want to know.  It is a subject that has been kept quiet for a very long time, and the only reason I know about these discoveries is that one old and dear friend worked on deciphering the Sumerian texts for the British Museum, which took approximately thirty years and she has kept regular contact over the 20 or so years since she completed that work.  It was this old Lady who told me about the finding of three giant sarcophagai, the first was found back in the late 1800's, the second in the early part of the 1900's and the last around the 70's.  And it was also the same Lady who asked the Museum for an update on the discoveries, hence the small quote about the creatures.

As would be expected, the discoveries inside of the first two sarcophagai were destroyed due to the scientists inability to effectively deal with the pieces.  That had changed by the 70's as technology had evolved enough for the Museum to remove all the fragments from the Tar and ensure that they did not degrade.  Then began the long and tedious procedure of fitting all the purposely broken bones back together.  Surprisingly, the discoveries of the sarcophagai and their contents matched perfectly the descriptions of how these failed experiments had been dealt with by the Anunnaki, who by then had knowledge of how atoms from one thing will, in time, eventually re-form the same thing over a very extended period.  This is why they chose to break all the bones and seal them in Tar and then seal the sarophagus lids.  It ensured that at no time could these same things become manifest again.

If you would like, I will ask her for more detail about this subject and post it here.  This may take about a week or so to do.

Shorty,
All good questions.  I don't honestly know the answers.  Although I would think it very possible that our little planet is one of many that are regularly visited/raided by this race.  It would be egotistical of us to think our's is so special that it is the only one of the life supporting worlds that would have contact of this nature.

And it is also possible that many worlds have engineered life forms on them, although there may be just as many that have naturally evolving forms too.  In the biggest pictures, all things must be possible.

Love Always.[:)]

Does anyone know if they have a Military and/or police?

Hey,

   Tayesin ive heard conflicting stories about the Reptilians, some say they don't exist, some say they exist but live in the hollow earth etc. Where are these beings living? Also how does one go about contacting other species like you do?

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Originally posted by Optic

Hey,

   Tayesin ive heard conflicting stories about the Reptilians, some say they don't exist, some say they exist but live in the hollow earth etc. Where are these beings living? Also how does one go about contacting other species like you do?

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1. You contact them through AP, in a way.

2. If they do exsist, then they live underneath us. One my ask, "well the planet has iron and magma in it". Well that is where telephy comes in. That makes us believe there is no hollow Earth. The reptillians use telephy to walk down the street in a crowd. They tell the humans "im just like you, so ignore me and walk on".

Hi All,

Optic,
I would have to say that they do exist, but that is based solely on my own experience so it is understandable that other people without their own experience of this race would think it not real.  It is the way things are, and it does no good to try and convince anyone of the reality.

As for where they are living, I do not know for sure, I can only go by what I was shown regarding the underground/sea bases.  And as JC said, you can contact them while out of body, although successfully doing so would be entirely dependant on whether it was part of your life's overall choice/plan.  I do know that many other races are contactable while in the Astral, but again, it is dependant on what is needed for your own growth.  So only you will be able to answer your own question about this.

JC,
I have no idea whether they have their own police or military, I would imagine that it must be possible though.

Perhaps a telepathic 'glam' could be used by them when they are on-world, although from my experience they have body constructions that seem to mimic our's.  At least it appears to us as if they are in a humanized form, which makes me wonder if they are successful shape-shifters or whether it is only an imposed concept in our minds that allow us to see them as such.  Perhaps time will tell.

Love Always.[:)]

Thank you for the reply.

I think if we OBE'd to their tunnels, we wouldn't see anything. They would have some type of telephy to cover that up I bet.

Edi channeled the greys (Zetas) with regards to my attackers and it's in the communications section. You might want to check it out.

I just posted a topic along these lines in the chat section, have a look and reply.

This argument's weakest point seems to be the lack of quoted sources, but if we were to have a source itself speak out, then we would indeed have something that could be worked with.

Is it true that each galaxy has its own laws therefore if we were to astral project we either can't enter another galaxy or if we do then we are breaching/breaking the law, and collecting Karma?

Hi All,

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Originally posted by Optic

Is it true that each galaxy has its own laws therefore if we were to astral project we either can't enter another galaxy or if we do then we are breaching/breaking the law, and collecting Karma?

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Not sure about Laws, aren't they meant to be bent or broken anyway, LOL.  From my own experience, we can go anywhere within this Universe and as far as I know, the only thing to stop us from doing so is possibly our belief system.  Karma, what a misunderstood concept, LOL.  It is pretty basic really, we create a cause and somewhere during our existences we reap the effect, it is neither good nor bad, it just is.  So don't let Karma stop you from experimenting and travelling as far as you can go.

Ceriel,
Why do we need quoted sources?  Much of what is posted here is from people's first hand experiences, so in some cases it is leading edge stuff and surely deserving of discussion anyway.  I agree that in some cases quoting a source will allow others to go and investigate it for themselves, but in this particular case it would not be necessary.  

Love Always.[:)]

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I think if we OBE'd to their tunnels, we wouldn't see anything. They would have some type of telephy to cover that up I bet.

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If thephysical tunnels are fourth dimensional you probably wouldn't be able to see them anyway. At least that's what I think.

I'm talking in the sense of academic value. No matter how real a certain fact is, unless you can point at its source you have got nothing. The logic is something you don't need to prove since it should be self-evident (objective), but facts are subjective, so they need to be accounted for. Best thing would be facilitating a method for people to get this subjective experience for themselves, but that is not always plausible. Therefore one refers to sources, the existence of which can be verified.

Doing this, which only requires a little _effort_, would be enough to give sceptics a very hard time and convince the general public.

For sources of info I would reccommend the books of Zaccariah Sitchin, David Ikes, and Whitley Strieber.There has also been a lot of channelled books written about the subject. Subjective experience is always good to hear about since OBE people are diving into areas that have not been explored much, at least not since witches have been burned at the stake.

I just posted this in the PSD Forum and I really don't give a damn about multiple pastes right now. This is way too important! I know how to stop the attacks, but Tayesin, I need help. You might also want to check out and additional posting in the Communications Forum by Edi.

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For the first time in a long time I am feeling lighter, freer, and some of my emotions are coming back.

I'm not entirely clean yet, but I am getting there.

I'm elated...and I am absolutely infuriated at what the "cure" turned out to be.

I haven't mentioned in this forum who my attackers are yet. What they have been doing to me for 5.5 years is this...

They've been using the laws revolving around contact and channeling ettiquette as a literal technicality...they were turning the law into a loophole to get at me.

Apparently I'm more powerful and more "well known" in some circles than I care for (my name was specifically requested for attack by entities I don't even know).

WHen channeling there is etiquette to be followed and laws to be obeyed, otherwise the universe would be over run with negs. What these people and their neg overseers did to me, was initiate a psychic contact. Now realize at the time this was happening I was a scientist, was open minded about psychic ability but had no belief I had it or interest in developing it. These knew what I really had, iniated psychic contact, and me, not knowing what the hell was going on, kept "thinking and thinking", probably activating my psychic ability. Even though I wouldn't call this a greeting, it didn't matter, technically speaking I "opened up and responded" to the greeting. This is what has allowed these jerks to attack me continuously.

Let me get specific here. When you channel, and I only know the generalities here, You open, annouce a greeting specifically to someone, then announce the start of transmission. When conversation is about to end, You announce the appraoch of the end, contact will be reinitiated at such and such a place and time, or not at all, and you verbally announce "transmission ending now", close the channel. When you specifically use this etiquette, these people, these entities have to obey because it is the law. This is what enables the Higher Beings to maintain control of the universe.

There was no etiquette played on their part or mine. Yeah, I've told them to please go away, done the usual stuff most people suggest, but never with an understanding of how the law works (and that is something I am unbelievably upset about...communication in concepts has got to improve. Nobody seems to have an understanding of how concepts work, their boundaries and attributes, why boundaries and attributes may be different with other people...it's like the suffering are expected to understand the concepts of people who are fine, in the context of people that are fine, and that is impossible. Then we're blamed when we don't get it. You tell the suffering to be open and specific and you yourselves don't know how to be open and specific. That is ridiculous and it needs to stop. Being right is not more important than people, and we're all supposed to be teachers and students. "Fine People" don't seem to want to do either, and I am sick to death of this).

The magic, the incense, the oils, the shields, banishing rituals it didn't make my situation better, it made it worse. Why! Because they were all interpreted by my attackers as a form of introductory greeting and start of a communication, and their use of communication is to psychically attack me! And there was never a closing salutation.

I AM PUTTING THIS IN CAPS TO GET YOUR ATTENTION...JUST TELLING THEM TO GO AWAY AND HAVE FAITH IN YOUR HEART IS NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE MINDFRAME THAT AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE IS UNDERWAY AND DEAL WITH IT UNDER THE PROPER ETIQUETTE GUIDELINES OF COMMUNICATION. YOU HAVE TO USE THE LAW AGAINST THEM, INSTEAD OF THEM USING THE LAW AGAINST YOU, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO ME. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE LAW WORKS AND YOU JUST TELL TELL THEM TO GO AWAY, MAKE A BANISHING PENTAGRAM, ALL THE DEFENSIVE POSTURES, YOU ARE NOT SIGNALLING WHEN CONTACT BEGINS OR ENDS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR CONTACT ALL THE TIME. THESE JERKS HAVING BEEN PLAYING ON A TECHNICALITY IN THE LAW. WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE ETIQUETTE, YOU CLEARLY DICTATE WHEN CONTACT IS ENDING, THEY HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW.

Crim, Metal Ice, Xelios, even you, this might be the answer to your situations. Your attackers might be taking the laws regarding contact as a literal interpretation and using it as a loophole for attack. Every time we retaliate using shields, magic, banishments, psychic ability, telepathy (!), prayer (!), just telling them to leave and go away without acknowledging a start/end signal...they are using all of it as a loophole to get to us...I'm wondering if their neg energy lawyers!

There is NO WAY I could've known this to this level of specificity without someone telling me what to do. They're using our ignorance as an advantage!

I'm not entirely out of the woods yet. I have to learn how to channel. I don't have a choice anymore. I'm clearing up but there is still one more loophole they can attack me with. I have no understanding how my telepathy, my psychic ability works. These guys have trained me (programmed more like it) to associate something with opening up and iniating a greeting. What the physical combination is yet, I have no idea!

THESE ARE NOT PERSONALITY FLAWS! I AM IRATE AS HELL BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY TOLD THIS IS HAPPENING DUE TO FEAR GENERATED BY A PERSONALITY FLAW. THIS IS CAUSED BY FEAR GENERATED BY SOMEONE ELSE HAVING MORE INFO THAN YOU! THAT IS NOT A CRIME! A 3RD GRADER DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONALITY FLAW BECAUSE HE/SHE CAN'T DO 8TH GRADE MATH. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE TREATED LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND HAVE OUR NEEDS ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESPECTED, INSTEAD OF BEING TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS! I AM ASSUMING THAT I AM NOT ASKING FOR MUCH! IT IS OUR RESPONSIBLITY TO LEARN, AND IT IS THE RESPONSIBLITY OF OTHERS TO TEACH IN A RESPECTFUL WAY...WHICH APPARENTLY IS QUITE A PROBLEM FOR SOME!

Crim, Metal Ice, Xelios, be careful, but try it and tell me what happens.

If you need me to explain again I will until I reach your level and respectfully act as an interpreter. You're not idiots and you don't have personality flaws if you don't understand something. That's life not a crime.

Check out this website:

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/

I still trying to pick my jaw up off the ground...this all sounds too much like what has happened to me.

I'm sorry, but I am not going to be positive energy about this: I think these people should be killed, each and every one of them. I'm not even going to sugar coat what I am feeling right now.

MY MISADVENTURE WITH A CULT OF ALIEN HUNTERS
(((They're after me!!!)))

If you'd like a good laugh go to the "ASTRAL CHAT" forum and check out my post "IF YOU CAN ASTRAL PROJECT IT MEANS YOU'RE AN ALIEN."

Much amusment will follow.

Are you that much of an butt to treat this lightly. This is isn't a joke, I've almost been killed and nearly committed suicide on more than one occasion.

If you don't want to, just don't follow the link...
No need to be aggressive.

Dark- My post has *nothing* to do with you. In fact I'm just now reading your story for the first time.

That is truly a horrible thing to do.
It makes to sick.

45-50 year old male. Dark hair and normally looks younger than he should.... High level of Government backing and lots of friends in some very high places. Adept at the most powerful magics available to humans/half humans.....

Ask him if his name is Alan?
Just a friend of a friend saying HI!

Is that supposed to be a threat, like the PM you sent me, Michael:

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By the way why did you send all of that energy my way the other day after replying to my topic post? Not that it didn't feel good but I still wonder why someone would send (what white light?)
It is actually interesting that you did that since I immediately became interested in who this person was that was sending me such nice gifts. Anyway I checked out some of your posts and I went to a section of Astral Pulse I had never cared to be in the Channelings/prophecy section and believe it or not we really are not that different from each other. Let me guess - needle like puncture marks sometimes as many as four of five (I forget... been awhile) on your neck near your arteries? Some on the backs of your hands and wrists. Bruises and cuts really anywhere on your body but the upper thighs espeacially. Feelings of utter exhaustion after you wake up and really have no idea how you got them because as far as you know you didnt even dream that night.....
Yes, I definately could be either luring you or trapping you even if I didnt consciously know it but still its interesting.... by Michael Stonewing PM'd to Dark Knight

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Hi All,

Ceriel,
You are correct in pointing out how it is important for some/many to have access to source material, and thank you for doing so.  Unfortunately,  with much of what has been written in this thread it is extremely difficult to do,  as certain cases re; the Sarcophagai found by the British Museum,  are kept well under wraps and the information not disseminated to the general public.

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Originally posted by Michael_Stonewing

45-50 year old male. Dark hair and normally looks younger than he should.... High level of Government backing and lots of friends in some very high places. Adept at the most powerful magics available to humans/half humans.....

Ask him if his name is Alan?
Just a friend of a friend saying HI!

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Michael,
Why Alan specifically?  Is this a definite person that you know or are aware of?  Maybe this is a refference to the race who come to Earth and call themselves Ah-lan, and do therefore use the first name of Alan?  Perhaps you know more than you are letting on, or perhaps you do not.....which one would it be Michael?  Many choose to play until the game gets serious!

Thank you all for the input, but, I would suggest we allow this thread to die a timely death and put these other subjects into appropriate sections.

Love Always[:)]

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Ask him if his name is Alan?
Just a friend of a friend saying HI!

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You're gazing into an abyss whose depth you have no comprehension of.
You're being watched by entities whose age, wisdom, adn power you cannot fathom.
I sincerely hope you realize the game you are playing.

by the way, ask Mr. Lizard if he enjoyed dancing with me last time we met[}:)][:D]

Xander

Actually no it is not even remotely related to any type of threat and in the two Private Messages I have sent you I thought I was being very polite. The first was simply that I enjoyed your opinions about the various topics of this website and that I thought you were a very honest and courageous person. The second was an inquiry into why you sent the large amount of very white light my way when their had been no provocation on my part. While it did feel warm and relaxing and I enjoyed the feeling very much and wanted to thank you for it. I did not understand why you sent it my way... It at least felt like it came from you but I suppose it could have been sent by someone else. Honestly Dark KNight I respect your courage under such great stresses and I hope everything goes well for you.
No, the part about my post on the dark haired man was not a threat... at least not to you or any other person on this board and I did not mean it as a threat in any way.
I suppose I am being misunderstood so I suppose I had better not reply to anymore of this type of topic.
Until Again,
Adieu.

Tayesin,

Think of me as the a Tarot fool.
I know nothing of facts whatsoever about anything in this world. I think many things and try to seperate the fictions I believe from the fictions I do not. Too many beings have spoken too many truths for their to be any truth in the world.

The name Alan while potentially meaning many things also means the name of a friends once partner of sorts. This Alan held many and still holds the attributes of those given to the "Dark Haired Man" and is very much alive. I doubt they are the same since this man I know as Alan is   human.
The attributes merely struck a cord in my mind and if it was the same I just wanted to say.... hello.
I apologise if I have struck too many nerves and will respectfully withdraw back into the bright shadows from whence I came.
On a personal note: please do not close this topic since you still have much to speak about. Act as if this was never here.
Until Again,
Adeiu.

Michael,  go check the PSD forum, or PM me again.

I think we should talk.

Public or Private, your choice.

Hi All,
I had the most interesting experiences yesterday and last night so I decided to share them with you.  It is a bit long but interesting anyway.  So here goes........

Monday 29 September 2003.

Approximately 5 to @ 6 pm.(AEST)

   While online I got a tightening sensation that signifies to me some sort of presence or communication.  I tried to block it with a screening method but it only dulled and did not stop completely.   So I opened to it and asked to be shown who or what was attempting to communicate with me,  at first I could see the eyes of a typical alien,  who said,  "We are ready to work with you now,  you must project to us in order to meet."   I agreed that I would do it that night and expected the communication feeling to end, but it did not.   Again I opened to see who was there and saw a man about 45 to 50 with dark hair who said,  "Why are you interferring with what I am doing?"   I answered,  " I am only trying to help those who have asked for help."   He then said,  "You will lose,  you're going down."   Then he too left,  I felt he was the man responsible for some of the psychic attacks that some forum members are having.   The feeling of contact did not end there either,  so someone else was in touch with me at some level.   I did not have the freedom to pursue it any further as my daughter required my attention at the same time.

   Today, 30th September I received a private message form a member of the Astral Pulse Forum who wanted to know if I had helped him to get out of body.  I read the message and he said, "Sunday sep28 night (technically monday) around 3am eastern time.   I met an entity that claimed to be you. It gave me lots of energy,  helped me get out of body, and showed me some things that would be very hard to describe. I dont remember either of us having any form.   We were more spread out. If that was you, can we do it again?   It was more like sharing energy than you giving it to me.   I produced the most energy I've produced in many months and gave some to you and whoever else was around. If that was you."

   This seemed to answer the question of who else was in contact with me at that time, as I had checked on the world clock to see what time it would have been here and it was within the time-frame that I felt the communications happening.  

   So now back to the previous night..... I waited for the night when I would be able to give my full attention to the first contactee.  At 9:15 pm my time,  I sat and began to prepare to journey out and see what the Alien wanted from me.   One of my Guides came and said,  "We do not have time for that,  we are late already.   Just project your awareness,  let's go."   I did as he suggested and was soon approaching the largest 'ship' I have ever seen,  it was massive,  about the size of the first ships depicted in the movie "Independence Day".

   I wanted to check it out but had no time for frivolities !   My guide led me in and the first thing I noticed was a human male dressed in a uniform who bowed to us.  I questioned why a human was aboard this ship and was told,  "This is a Federation Ship,  there are all kinds on-board."   We quickly moved on to something I would describe as an elevator,  and entered it while my Guide said he would wait for me to return.   The elevator rose at phenomenal speed and very quickly came to a stop,  the door(s) opened and there waiting for me was a tall,  pale-grey Alien who telepathically said,  "Come with me,  we are ready for you now."   And he led me to what looked like a normal office type board room,  with oval table and chairs all around it.   One other being was waiting and he refused to speak with me,  I got the feeling from him that he was not particularly friendly to us humans.

   I waited just a couple of seconds and then heard my name called,  and noted also that it is not the name I have in my current life.  One wall of the room slid open to reveal a huge auditorium sized room,  circular in shape,  with seating around the outside and what appeared to be a gigantic round table in the middle.   I heard,  "Please take your seat",  and immediately knew what seat was mine,  I could see it clearly,  as if I had sat there many times before.   I made my way around the circle to my seat and calmly sat while waiting for the meeting to start.   It was extremely quiet, except for my thoughts.  I was reminded to screen my thoughts as it was like I was yelling out in the room !!  I tried to do so,  while the meeting started.

   A being from a race that I had seen once during my first kundalini awakening stood up and approached the table at the same time that an approximately thirty foot diameter hologram of Earth appeared above the table.   What took my attention was the thousands of red dots all over the globe.   The being who had stood up began to communicate to the gathering,  explaining that the red dots indicated where the underground/undersea bases existed for the Reptilian's.   And that their plans for processing the human inhabitants was well advanced.   This meeting was to find a way to deal with the threat that would not cause an escalation in hostilities.

   One being suggested simply attacking and destroying the Dark Forces,  but that was answered with,  "Should we choose that option,  the Reptilians will respond with a full-force attack upon that world and us.   We do not have sufficient numbers here as yet to deal with that kind of situation."   Another being asked,  " Could we not destroy them one ship at a time when we see them ?"   And the answer was,  "That action will provoke them to a full-scale attack also.  What we do to deal with this situation must be very well planned and not make any provocations."   Then I was asked to stand and give the message that I had received four years ago when talking with a Reptilian emissary at a place I call the high ground.   I did as they had asked and took my seat again.

   The meeting continued.   I learned that these Reptilians were actively working at bringing about the Armageddon scenario as described in the Bible, that they were also actively involved in producing some large Earthquakes around the planet and that they are here in massive numbers.....although the larger main force is on standby within our Solar System in 'cloaked ships'.

   Then I was told that my services would not be needed for the remainder of the planning session and I could return to my world.   I left and met with the tall pale grey one who spoke with me about a number of things that are happening in my life and left me with one overriding thought as we reached the elevator.   He said,  "Remember this.",  then gave me a huge input of pure Loving energy while saying to my mind that I must remember this is my weapon.   I then entered the elevator for the quick trip down and found my Guide waiting as he said he would.   We returned to my place and I spent some time talking with my Primary higher-self Guide to ensure that I understood what was going on in my life and to know that I am strong enough to deal with the dark-haired man who had threatened me during the earlier communications.  

Elapsed time, 35 minutes.

Told you it was different hay, LOL

Love Always. Tayesin.[:)]

I am only 18 and have minimal experience with AP and I believe that most of the people I have talked to (not on this site), make up excrement to become "important". I have never talked to any other beings, but because of so, I do not discern the idea that they exist. I myself believe in god, but yet to have any experiences with angels or anything. I believe that most of the experiences we have are both reality and fallacy. Things we believe are true, and things that really are. Some people have said before that they have created thier own islands and worlds. WTF! Are they having Astral Projections or playing the online game Second Life (www.secondlife.com). I mean excrement, in Second Life you can build your own world and fly, how ironic, and its called "second" life.... hmmm. anyways I think some people have real experiences and others just make up excrement because they cannot really AP.

I mean no offense and I am not targetting anyone when I am saying they are making things up, because honestly idk as much as most of you anyways.

Quote from: Varian on September 18, 2009, 08:47:27
I am only 18 and have minimal experience with AP and I believe that most of the people I have talked to (not on this site), make up excrement to become "important". I have never talked to any other beings, but because of so, I do not discern the idea that they exist. I myself believe in god, but yet to have any experiences with angels or anything. I believe that most of the experiences we have are both reality and fallacy. Things we believe are true, and things that really are. Some people have said before that they have created thier own islands and worlds. WTF! Are they having Astral Projections or playing the online game Second Life (www.secondlife.com). I mean excrement, in Second Life you can build your own world and fly, how ironic, and its called "second" life.... hmmm. anyways I think some people have real experiences and others just make up excrement because they cannot really AP.

I mean no offense and I am not targetting anyone when I am saying they are making things up, because honestly idk as much as most of you anyways.

Hell knows Dark Knight and I don't see eye-to-eye on most stuff he believes... but meh.  That's really besides the point.
While I think most of the stuff said in this thread (Back in 2003, mind you, this thread is over 6 years old now) is a bunch of crap... the "creating your own world" stuff isn't.

This is very reflective of how much you know about the Astral.  I don't mean that in a bad way, just that you've got a lot to learn.  :)
Yes, you can create your own world and fly around in it.

"and you verbally announce "transmission ending now", close the channel. When you specifically use this etiquette, these people, these entities have to obey because it is the law. This is what enables the Higher Beings to maintain control of the universe."

Hmm. When a country or planet or a galaxy has laws, that's the first sign that there's a problem. Those guilty of creating laws are committing an offense while portraying it as a precautionary action. Like someone pointing a gun at a potential victim and saying "don't blink", then shooting them. "Hey, it's his fault for blinking."

So, you should never wonder why the law betrays you.
There used to societies that understood this. They rejected any idea of committing enforcement crimes such as laws, but lo and behold, they were killed. The other societies wanted to start their little "fight between light and darkness" and spread it all over the cosmos until all the sane societies in this galaxy were killed in the crossfire. I would like to have a talk with both sides, if only to see their reactions.

I guess it's the way this galaxy's collective wants to live. It's like those gang wars that last for generations, even after both sides have forgotten why they're fighting. Why do they fight? They just enjoy the certainty - they like having two sides with names and symbols, feeling like they're standing up for something, blaming all their problems on an opposing force instead of figuring out solutions. They just keep fighting until they've taken out all their aimless frustration.

Our galaxy is full of morons