hey people, ive been interested in Astral Projection for a while now and have been reading these forums for a while too, and decided to sign up so maybe i could get some help in my experiances and help me fully achieve AP.
Well, i was lying there, about to go to sleep when i thought i would try AP, i lay there and relaxed, i let my mind wander as i normally do, until i get the very random thoughts and images coming into my head. I was thinking about some random old man who ive never seen when suddenly he sort of 'screamed' at me, this shocked me and i looked around to see i was in a car suddenly, i had slipped into a lucid dream, and so tried to wake myself up by 'shaking' myself out. it managed to work and i was in my room, lying in my bed but with some strange glow around me, i instantly thought i was slipping into an OBE.
I tried the rope technique and got some strange yet enjoyable sensations seeming to come from the core of my body, feelings of slowly lifting, or being pushed out in 'waves' travlleing through my body, then i got a feeling of VERY intense vibration and tingling in my temples on the side of my head, i then got scared and shook myself awake.
Now im having some serious trouble doing it again, was wondering if anyone here has any advice for me to get back to that state i was in before, without falling asleep. Long post im sorry, its just im really excited about AP-ing.
There often times is an element of scariness, particularly during those vibration stages. I have found that this just goes with the territory and it may even be a way in which we are tested to see if we are worthy of these experiences, i mean they don't happen to everyone for a reason. Dealing with another realm is going to be a bit frightening for anyone, even after years of having many good and also many frightening experiences, I never get so full of myself that i think my little old me is in full control. what a joke. I never wanted or chose this gift but I found it was going to take me out of my body despite my wishes, so I learned spiritually not to fear. How can we face our death which is eminent if we fear this?? So I would just relaxed be positive.If you don't want to do it, that's not a crime, but then you may find you have no choice and that's when its really good to know you are not alone and there is a purpose.
OK, my advice is just keep going. The more scared you get the more fruturated you get until you snap and say "SCREW BEING SCARED!!!! BWAAAA!!!!" and just do it. From then on its all good. I am still working on that lol, been projecting for about 2 years. Its getting easier though, just keep working on it.
thanks for the advice people, i am gonna keep trying even if i do run into more experiances like the one i had, i reckon if i really want it enough i should be able to get through any problems. I heard a lot about saying prayers and asking for guidance from God in these things, but the problem is im actually an atheist, i belong to no religion and still question myself over the existance of God.
so i guess im gonna have to find a different way of getting around these fears. thanks for help.
ha.... not to bash peoples views on asking for divine assistance but stuff like that works simply because you think it does. if deep in your subconsious you believe that magic elves can protect you from negs the next time you project and ask the magic elves to protect you you will have a fine experience because inside of your mind those magic elves ARE protecting you. This prevents everything that would be produced by your MIND, not things that are really "out there" (if anything really is, I am not sure about this for sure) but 98% of the stuff that scares you or makes you not want to project IS made by your MIND! I am not trying to say divine intervention isnt possible or asking for help from god wont stop negs but the root cause of the reason most of these kind of prayers work is because you are convinced they do.
Another word of advice here: I have projected many times, probably over 100 and I have experienced some really scary stuff, I wont go into it because I dont want you to try to project and be all like "oh, what if the stuff that happened to him happens to me!!!! OOOH NOOOEEES!1!11" and then contribute to a bad experience. After every experience I had that was really bad I would always return to normal consciousness no worse for the wear and maybe be a bit mentally disturbed that its. Dont be afraid to go headlong into things, if I can do it so can you. The worst that has happened to me is that I simply wake up and shake it off. best of luck.
thanks a lot for your help, i know it mite be a bit of a stupid question, but can you tell me some of the fears and bad experiances you had, not to shock myself or anything, just so i know the sort of thing that could happen, and have these experiances changed anything in your 'waking life' you dont have to if you dont want to, or you could PM me if u feel more comfortable.
its just i was talking to my dad and hes a psychiatrist and sed there could be the slightest chance that something i experiance while projecting could eventually affect me in real world, like seeing a scary image in astral plane that i see in real world and therefore become extremely fearful of. thanks for any help.
LOL no I wont share them! :lol: Atleast not with someone who hasnt even projected from their bed side yet. As I stated before I dont want you to become afraid of projecting, atleast not because of something I said. This reminds me of how back when I first started projecting I got interested in negs and whatnot and purchased Practical Psychic Self Defense by Robert Bruce. After reading that I had a long string of bad projections most of which mirrored experiences explained in that book and I even spent a night convinced a neg was manifesting in a shadow in my room and I drew holy symbols all over my body and couldnt sleep. :shock: :lol: Having such stories of things happening planted in your mind can adversely effect your projections.
I will say that the experiences I have had will remain with me forever and I dont want to use the term scarred me.... as I am over them but they are burned into my memory forever. I honestly believe that these experiences have done nothing but made me stronger though, I am actually more willing to project now after experiencing these things, I figure if I can get through that stuff I can get through anything, and that applies to life as well. I am willing to do just about anything! I am going to be going sky diving with a friend of mine this summer, he says he cant get anyone else to go with him because they are too afraid to die!!!! :lol: I think I can handle it! :smile: I also havent had a bad projection in quite some time simply because I have realized through experience that things get really bad because I think they will! THis is a key point to emphasize here. When you are OBE and you start to get scared things go downhill real fast. You will have to learn this yourself though because no matter how much control you think you have over your fear now that control soon melts quickly when faced with.... certain things.
OK I am getting off the beaten path here and starting to maybe even intice you a bit with my hintings so go out there and PROJECT first and get back to me. One good experience is all it takes to start off a long string of projections and if you have any further problems get back to us!
Your father has really good intentions and he is right in some ways, if your not mentally capable of handling things you experience in the astral you very well could be mentally scarred by them. Everyones threshold to these experiences are different but trust me when I say that it would probably take ALOT to do this to someone, atleast to the point where it truely affected them in real life. Also, the chances of you seeing anything from the astral in real life are very slim. I havent yet. I would also like to add something about your intentions here, stay away from seeking out things you may not want to find. Steer clear of things that you may not want to experience! When you are fully seperated and are in the astral proper, things are just as real as they are in the physical. I have had so many experiences where I simply stood with my mouth gaping just taking in the sheer reality of it all and despite the fact that I was in a place I had never been to before and KNEW FOR A FACT I was projecting I still couldnt believe it because it all seemed so real. Things like torture, hell, demons, monsters, just about anything can be found in the astral if you go searching and believe me when I say you dont want to. I thought it would be fun to go looking for these things a few times and I learned my lesson! :cool:
Good luck and good experiences!
Knightlight
P.S. if you see that old man again punch him in the face!
So let me get this straight Knight, you dont believe in a good higher power, lets even call it divine for the sake of being bold, after your posts?
There is always good and evil, two distinct forces, they are not in your imagination nor do you just "project " them. Geeezzzz Demons, I have meet more than a few, made a believer out of me IN GOD.
To be honest I am not even sure about the whole deal. Never said I was. Didnt say I didnt believe in a higher power.
QuoteI am not trying to say divine intervention isnt possible or asking for help from god wont stop negs
Miss this part? I am simply speaking from my own experience. I have seen things like shadow people, what some would label demons, "negs" and the lot but how do I know for 100% sureness that these things are what they appear to be on the surface? Or furthermore, if my mind didnt create them? The astral plane is a very volatile place, easily effected by the mind.
For example lets say I project and am floating about my house and a guy that looks like Jesus floats up to me and is all like "Dude! I am Jesus!" and assumes some highly religious archetypal pose. Am I supposed to simply go HOLY COW ITS JESUS! ???? Same applies to demons and negs and whatnot.
Always 2 distinct forces ey? Your not projecting that on to them by any chance are ya? Not assuming from what has been pounded into your head from day one that thats how it is? A guy with giant horns, red skins, sharp razor teeth and glistening rock hard abs walks over to you on his ridiculously stereotypical cloven feet and your going to crap yourself instantly and be like "OHHHH NOOOOEEEESSS!!!!!!111!!!!! Its a demon!"???? How do you know he isnt just looking for change for his Astral Dollar or wanting to exchange recipes for cookies? I like to reserve this kind of snap judgement and learn things through long periods of trial and error. Sure, I have been through some things you may classify as neg attacks and seen demons doing evil things, is that supposed to cement in my mind the fact that Good and Evil are 2 absolute truths and these beings really existed when I saw them? Nothing is black and white in this world or the next my friend.
knightlight, angelout, thank you very much for your replies, im gonna take the advice in and hopefully achieve an OBE soon, knightlight i think i can kinda relate to the scary experiances you had, althought my hallucinations were brought about by something else, you can probably guess what lol. But anyway, i do have a problem with scaring myself to be honest, whenever i LD i purposly scare the crap outta myself, i have no idea why.
But like you sed, seen as Astral plane will be a lot more realistic i dont think that'll be a good idea lol, thanks for the help tho guys.
I look at it this way, if your mind can create all those scary moments imagine what can happen when you finally conquer those fears. Each time I've had a scary moment I've gotten excited about what I could do the next time I actually AP.