Trying to figure out what or who is real (whatever that means)

[deepspace]

The theme for this morning seemed to be "what or who is real?" I was in a room with people and there was one person talking who was just a stuffed animal. So I said something like, " But that one is just an inanimate object." Then the stuffed animal starting talking to me and said "Oh yeah, well I can talk and move around and do anything the others can do, so how can you say I'm not real?"
I started thinking about it and said, "Well you could take some animal like a bird for example." I looked up and behind me, amazed to see a bird had flown onto the window sill. I put out my finger and the bird went onto my finger, then morphed into something between a person and a bird, got really tall and started explaining to me about what "reality" is but in a conceptual (no words) language.
Then later I was walking down a hallway and came up to this woman who seemed to be alive, but looked very much like a mannequin. I made lots of mental notes about her. She had flesh-colored "skin" and no clothes, but it was a plastic-like material and I felt it's texture and noted that it was cold to the touch. She could move around and talk although her mouth looked really strange when it moved. I grabbed her hand and said "If you come with me, I think we can warm you up more like a human body." We ran down the hallway and out to a balcony. I looked out and saw that we were really high up in a building in this huge city at night. I pulled the woman's hand and said, "come on let's fly". I had some hesitation after looking down, we must have been on the 100th floor. O.K. here goes, then we just jumped together. The woman was flying along with me over this huge mega-city. We flew along a river and under several bridges looking up at the lights and tall buildings, making mental notes about the incredible detail. I saw the tiny figure of a person looking out one of the windows as we flew under. We stopped at this large platform-like structure where you could land on an outcropping. There were several people behind a long glass window looked like a restaurant possibly. I noticed two of the people standing next to each other looked identical. I kept comparing the details of each face and was really amazed at the level of visual quality, color and how perfectly 3 dimensional everything looked. The level of definition on the visuals was super-high and so razor sharp. I decided to leave and was just hovering over the floor on my back. I told someone "Just push me along and I will move. It's like there's wheels under me, only there's no wheels. Then I decided to come back. Great experience.

[Szaxx]

I hope you enjoyed this lesson. The differences from indigenous to mental creations should be apparent. You may recieve another on size and power.
It's so non-physical it's brilliant.

[deepspace]

It's all a learning experience, isn't it? Always feeling like I am an explorer in a new a land, taking notes and trying to understand what's going on there.

But yes, I am learning to see the differences. I'm hoping to have more of the indigenous world experiences, but even the mental creations are pretty amazing. IMO, everything is really a creation of one kind or another, some individual and others collective.

What blows me away every time, is the level of realism down to the smallest detail. The more I look, the more is there.

[Szaxx]

It's that old saying showing itself, the more you learn the less you know. Lol.
The NP is a gigantic minefield of many surreal experiences. These hardly get past you without a wtf was that all about. In them, new feelings and learning are always present. Staying the course for decades you still get shown new areas to explore. The physical begins to show itself as almost insignificant in it all. The wider reality is really immense.

[deepspace]

It's that old saying showing itself, the more you learn the less you know. Lol.
The NP is a gigantic minefield of many surreal experiences. These hardly get past you without a wtf was that all about. In them, new feelings and learning are always present. Staying the course for decades you still get shown new areas to explore. The physical begins to show itself as almost insignificant in it all. The wider reality is really immense.

I just had another this morning. It's so far beyond amazing. I was on an elevator, again just staring over and over again at the people's faces next to me and touching the walls. Thinking to myself, there must be something, some little detail somewhere that I can see that tells me they are not real people. The only thing I noticed was that the person furthest away didn't have quite as much detail as the people that were closer, but even that is also pretty much normal. It was a large elevator and I was talking to the people in there for quite a while. Must have spent 5 minutes just feeling the walls, studying this intricate pattern painted onto the surface. As I was running my hand along the surface, I was explaining to the people, "This is all so perfectly real, but it's not. Do you people realize that none of this is real?" They all just smiled at me. Then I started getting claustrophobic, realizing that the ride had gone on too long. I just suddenly wanted out, could feel myself sweating and knew that I wasn't inside a real elevator, but was really panicking anyway. At that point I made the decision to come back. Every time I experience that level of realism, it just blows me away.

[soarin12]

Awesome experiences!  I do the same thing.  Just looking at and feeling the texture of the walls.  I can't get over being fascinated by the detail.  In one of mine, I met a living boy doll.  He was like 2 ft. tall and looked to be made of porcelain.  He shook my hand and was really friendly.  He showed me this little book he had written that was put together with some kind of staples. --Crooked like a kid would make.  I just kept thinking to myself, this is NOT something I would come up with in my own head.  I have no interest in dolls or fantasy stuff.  Everything was just so remote from my reality and the way my brain works.  Then I saw some very finely crafted wooden creatures that were carved into a large wooded wall.  As I looked closer at them I realized they were alive.  They had eyes and were all watching me and blinking every now and then.  I decided to see if I could make them disappear just by 'thinking' them away.  I was able to make two sets of eyes disappear.  I did that for a while and then realized that they eyes were beginning to close.  Eventually all of the eyes on all creatures closed and did not open again.  I then felt bad that I had been messing with them. --like they had been curious about me and we were connecting, but then I violated them and they pulled away.  Anyway, the detail of these is so amazing and I am always thinking real? or not real?  After I felt bad about the way I'd treated the creatures I decided to treat everything as real just in case.

[deepspace]

I agree, it's best to treat everything as real. Not that it's hard to do or anything.

I find that high level of realism confusing sometimes because I get lost in it and start to lose my reference point. In my mind I'm thinking: If this is not real, then how can anything be real? What does it mean any way? And it's even crazier to be thinking all these thoughts while you are there, not just trying to remember it later.

A high level of consciousness during the experience just adds so much to it. Being able to reflect on what's happening as it happens as a conscious observer is the most amazing experience. Also being able to evaluate and compare things to your Physical Reality world while your there is really incredible.

I once met this guy, seemed like he was from some time in the past. I told him "I've traveled here from another time. It's kind of like time zones. I came from one time zone and you are in another." I asked him his name which he told me. Then I told him: "Where I come from we have something called the Internet. As soon as I get back, I am going to look you up and find out who you are."

You are in another world, but being able to still refer to the other world at the same time, that sort of simultaneous dual consciousness is mind- altering really. Too bad we can't take people along with us, there's just no words that do it justice. You just have to go there yourself.

[soarin12]

True.  No words do it justice.  I'm always telling my daughter and husband about my APs and I realize they're politely listening but really pretty bored.  I can tell their thinking...If your going to tell me about a dream, it should at least be an exciting one.  Then I realize that the subject matter of my AP was really not very exciting.  It's the REALITY of being there that is.  But this they'll never know...  As you said, you can't take them with you.

[deepspace]

True.  No words do it justice.  I'm always telling my daughter and husband about my APs and I realize they're politely listening but really pretty bored.  I can tell their thinking...If your going to tell me about a dream, it should at least be an exciting one.  Then I realize that the subject matter of my AP was really not very exciting.  It's the REALITY of being there that is.  But this they'll never know...  As you said, you can't take them with you.

Most of the time we sleep through our dreams so we can only experience them from fuzzy memories. The big difference is that we are experiencing the "dream world" while we are awake. So we are conscious during the experience which allows us to think about what we are experiencing, why and so on, all in real time instead of memories. We can also evaluate things like how real things are, or stop and pick up an object or ask someone a question that we just thought of. We are able to make decisions in real time and even change our minds if we want. These are all things that make the experience so amazing. So we have two kinds of waking world experiences, most people only have one so they will never be able to really understand what we are talking about and why are so excited. I feel good all day after a good AP.

[Szaxx]

The second personality awakes.
Ive mentioned previously that we develop another personality that differs from the physical one greatly.
The greater the variations of your experiences, this duality becomes more clear. This applies to the experiences that are similar to the physical world. You will find out another exists that words can't explain in the energetic formless experiences. This is on a different level altogether.

You panicked, oh dear the fear factor needs to be addressed. This will hamper your progress. Familiar words lol.
A method you could adopt is one that takes your first person perspective out of the fear loop and you put yourself in a third person perspective to resolve the impending 'stuff this, I'm outta here'.
I'm sure by now you've pulled out of a bad dream or two, as above...
Partially do the pulling out and you can then put yourself back in the dream at an earlier point. Lionheart calls this re-scripting.
It's one way to resolve fear, once mastered. It also helps when you're so deep in the experience this physical world seems like a dream.
It's one method that works.
Having total faith in yourself is another, this takes many years to master.