Typical OBE

[Nay]

Very cool experience Jeff!

I wonder what was wrong with the Joey guy?..very interesting indeed.  Did you get any feelings on this?

I so enjoying reading of your adventures..thanks for sharing! []

Nay []

[Nagual]

Yes, cool experience!

quote:I didn't know what else to do, so I returned to my body.

In fact, I am kind of at this point myself...  I don't know anymore what to do in my OBEs... [?]  I tried most of the things I read about, I fly around, I visit different astral places, I have stupid or meaningless chats with people...  And it all seems to lead nowhere...  I miss a goal; a "quest".

Any idea of "meaningful"/interesting exercises/experiments I could try...?  By example, I tried to go through the dreaming "gates" from Castaneda's book (The 7 gates of dreaming) but I am stuck at the 2nd one...  If you want to know what are these gates, have a look at this painful to read website: http://www.geocities.com/warrior_traveler/fourgates.html ...

[coral1]

Hi Jeff
 Thanks for sharing your experience.The part that caught my eye was what you said about going to your childhood home.This happens to me too on a regular basis.I don`t have any explanation for it but I`d be interested if anyone else experiences the same thing.There may be alot of stength in old memories that tie us to a specific place and time.

Cheers

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Very cool experience Jeff!

I wonder what was wrong with the Joey guy?..very interesting indeed.  Did you get any feelings on this?

Nay, not really.  Sometimes my reaction in the astral is drastically different than in the physical.  In the physical, I may have been more concerned about this Joey guy.  However, when I'm having an OBE, I could probably see someone running around with their head chopped off and I'll simply go, "Hmmmm, that's odd."  []

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual
Any idea of "meaningful"/interesting exercises/experiments I could try...?  

I know exactly what you mean, Nagual.  Usually, I tell myself before having an OBE, "Ok self, there is SOOOOO much to do.  You can try and make contact with a guide, visit dead relatives, make contact with people on this forum, or hit the API."

Then I get out and I'm like, "Ooooh cool, a tree!"  Then I do something really stupid, like wander around my house!

I think the more we program ourselves to remember these tasks, the easier we'll be able to remember them when we are "out."

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by coral1

Hi Jeff
 Thanks for sharing your experience.The part that caught my eye was what you said about going to your childhood home.This happens to me too on a regular basis.I don`t have any explanation for it but I`d be interested if anyone else experiences the same thing.There may be alot of stength in old memories that tie us to a specific place and time.

Cheers

Going to my childhood home is something that happens ALL THE TIME for me.  The only way I can explain this is that I have a strong emotional bond to the place.  Even now, if I drive past it, I get somewhat ticked when I see other cars in the driveway, because part of my feels like the house is still mine!

Anything that has a strong emotional bond to you in this life will be linked to you in the astral.

[m0d0]

Cool recount Jeff.

Maybe you fell quickly from the second floor because you had it in your mind to jump. Normally when we say jump it implies a fast landing. I could be wrong and im certainly no expert but it's possible. Maybe try floating or flying through next.

Brilliant recount though. Wonder what the whole Joey thing was?

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by m0d0

Cool recount Jeff.

Thanks!

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Maybe you fell quickly from the second floor because you had it in your mind to jump. Normally when we say jump it implies a fast landing. I could be wrong and im certainly no expert but it's possible. Maybe try floating or flying through next.

The thing is that I have jumped from higher structures before, and like I said, I ended up floating down slowly and gracefully.  This time, though, I fell at the speed you would expect to fall at when you jump out of a two story house!  It's just the landing didn't hurt.

quote:
Brilliant recount though. Wonder what the whole Joey thing was?

Yeah, I wonder too.  Just some astral entity, I imagine.  That is one of those situations that now when I look back on it, I wish I would have investigated it further.  But at the time, I didn't think about it.

[Centa Five]

Thanks for the great post Jeff.  Sharing your experiences with us enhances the Forum experience as there is always something that can be learned from them.  I found the first part of your story very interesting. I assume that you spotted the image in a normal un-awakened state kind of dream which was extraordinary since you exhibited the uncanny and intuitive ability to focus in on it which brought on the vibrations and subsequent exit. If you can become conditioned to looking for similar images in the future you may have encountered a way to project on demand from normal dream states which would be a real breakthrough!!  

I use the roll-out method also as it was my first successful projection position.  The speed of your jump to the ground may have been facilitated by what you felt was an urgent need to get down to the street in a hurry to check out those two. A gentle landing indicates that you were in complete control.  I usually fload down and have on occasion jumped, hit the ground softly, and then bounced back up again.  That's what I like about OBBE's they always present us with surprised and new things to contemplate.

Could those two people on the street have been "Sleepers"?  Unfortunately, these OBE's never seem to last as long as we would like.  Thanks again Jeff and keep posting your experiences as they are extremely helpful.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five
If you can become conditioned to looking for similar images in the future you may have encountered a way to project on demand from normal dream states which would be a real breakthrough!!  

Yeah, this happens a lot with me.  I'm trying to graduate from inducing OBE's from dream images to simply staring at hypnogogic imagery during my meditation exercises.

quote:
I use the roll-out method also as it was my first successful projection position.  The speed of your jump to the ground may have been facilitated by what you felt was an urgent need to get down to the street in a hurry to check out those two. A gentle landing indicates that you were in complete control.

Yes, that could be a possibility.  I just think it's neat that sometimes, you never know just exactly what's going to happen in the astral!  It appears that gravity can fluctuate at times.  []

quote:
 I usually fload down and have on occasion jumped, hit the ground softly, and then bounced back up again.  That's what I like about OBBE's they always present us with surprised and new things to contemplate.

Yep!

quote:
Could those two people on the street have been "Sleepers"?  

That also is a possibility.....although I have encountered a sleeper before, and they were more "non-responsive" than anything else.  I think the two I saw this last experience were either native astral entities, recently deceased people from an accident, or like you said, sleeping individuals.

quote:
Unfortunately, these OBE's never seem to last as long as we would like.  Thanks again Jeff and keep posting your experiences as they are extremely helpful.

You're welcome.  Glad you liked my experience, Centa.

[Centa Five]

Yeah, I don't think they were "Sleepers" either, it was just a thought. The female gave you an answer that was much too coherent to be a "Sleeper". They may have been involved in a fatal accident and are lost and confused and just hanging around.  I have tried some things with hypnogogic imagery in the past but usually one of two things happens when I latch on to one of them:  Either I stay awake, get pulled in by it, and it becomes a Lucid Dream or, I lose wakefulness and it pulls me into a normal non-waking dream in which case I try for a recall of it when I wake up and I'm not too successful at making any sense out of it.  Keep traveling Jeff and thanks again.

[Nagual]

quote:I know exactly what you mean, Nagual.

[:I], you almost did...  I did not mean that I forget to do in the astral what I planned to do before OBEing...  I meant that I can't find what to plan...  All the things I did so far seemed meaningless; almost a "waste of time/energy"...

But you gave me some ideas ("contact with a guide, visit dead relatives, make contact with people on this forum, or hit the API.") anyway.  I tried API and I can't get there so far...  I tried the guide too, and no luck so far...  In fact, I did not find one single clever being...  Maybe they avoid me! []

I guess I will stick to trying to go through the 2nd gate stuff...  But it is not easy.  To do it, you have to find an odd object (out of context) in your dream; something that has no relation to what's going on, and then focus on it and.... shazam, you should find yourself in front of one of these inorganic beings...  Then you ask them to bring you into their world.  The purpose is multiple; their world is supposed to give you useful energy.  They tend to teach you stuff.  This interaction develops your energy body.  And the last, but not least, they will try to trick/trap you...  If I could start this, I guess I will be busy for a while! [|)]  But the problem is that I think it worked with Castaneda because either he had enough energy to attract these beings, or Don Juan sent them to him...  Another problem is, since I have been warned that they will try to trick me, and I decided that no matter what, I will not fall in any of their traps (as long as the traps are evident), why would they bother dealing with me...  They have nothing to gain from this... except some kind of friendship [|)]

I would love to hear about other people experiences/successes with this experiment...  Nobody more advanced wanna try?

[ssjoku]

last night i tried to AP... first meditated by counting down from 100 to 0. Then I did mind awake body asleep for about 10 minutes each time I said that I was getting more and more relaxed. After the 10 minutes i couldn't move my body. Then my astral arm started to move and twist. Then I started to go down.. I stopped in the middle of the floor I tried moving up didn't work and my arm was still twisting. My hearing went out and I was getting vibs in different stops of my body after 10 mins my physcal body started to hurt. I came out of it and walk around to get rib of the pain. What does this mean was I omost out?

[Centa Five]

Hi SSJOKU.  This was a good learning experience for you. Some people feel that all that is necessary to project is to relax completely wait for the vibrations and paralysis and you will just float out. Ah, if it were only that way every time!!  You were very close but you got stuck.  Sometimes its good to have a contingency plan.  Next time your astral arm rises try to very gently raise your other arm and just kind of exeriment around with stuff because in many ways projecting is a very unique experience for each projector and what works for one may not work for others.  If we lived in a "Cookie Cutter" society we'd all wear the same size clothes and all the pharmaceutical miracle drugs would would work the same way on everyone!! Things don't work that way in the real world.  I think that you are on the right track, just keep learning from each of your experiences and you will be able to make corrections to your practices and refine your pre-exit actions. Good luck.

[quetzalcoatl]

Cool experience Jeff!  It's always inspiring to read others peoples experiences.  

I want to comment on your note about fixing your gaze on something as being essential to getting out.  I very much agree with this.  I think by focusing the mind like that, we allow our intention to project come to the surface.  It appears to be the crucial point of any type of magic.  By stilling the monkey-mind we clear the way for our passive will to express itself.  What's nice is that this crucial task only takes about a second or two.  After that the process we are trying to accomplish is put into motion.  I have noticed this when I project or create any kind of current in the astral(perform a ritual).    

I recently read W E Butlers "The Magician:  His Training and Work".  It's a great book.  One of the most lucid expositions on magic I've read and it's short too.  It does have a Christian bias which I don't mind - some might.  Anyway he describes ways of constructing rituals so that the mind is over and over brought to this state of single mindedness.  If you are trying to project directly from waking maybe something like that (creating a ritual/at least a mental pattern of imagery) might work.  I'm working on it as well but it's slow going.  If I find a method that works for me, I'll post it.  

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by quetzalcoatl
I want to comment on your note about fixing your gaze on something as being essential to getting out.  I very much agree with this.  I think by focusing the mind like that, we allow our intention to project come to the surface.

I'm glad you also realize this fact.

From my own research, based on my own OBE experience, there is a DEFINITE relationship between staring at things and the experience itself.

One thing I have noticed, though, no matter when you stare at an object, whether it be in a pre-projection state, or whether you're already in the astral realm, staring at something seems to draw energy into you.

What do I mean?  It feels almost as if you're slowly being sucked into what you're looking at.  So in a pre-projection state, locking onto an image (in your third eye) seems to suck you into it.  This is what happens when you phase directly into the astral.

Now, when you're in the astral realms, via a phasing technique or traditional OBE technique (like rolling out of the body), then staring at objects seems to make the experience more lucid.

However, you must be careful.  Staring too much at something seems to ruin the experience altogether.  I haven't figured out WHY that is yet.  But, for example, if you were having an OBE in a park and you decided to look at a tree, you will find that within the first 1-3 seconds, you will start to see things very clearly.  After that, it almost begins to draw you into it, and you will have some trouble maintaining control.

At least, that is what I have observed on a number of occasions.  So I usually only stare at things when I need to balance my control and reaffirm the experience.

[clandestino]

Hi there Jeff, hows things ?

quote:Staring too much at something seems to ruin the experience altogether. I haven't figured out WHY that is yet

If you haven't read it, try castaneda's "the art of dreaming". ( the title is somewhat of a misnomer. The dreams in question are usually OBE's).

I won't try and summarise it, suffice to say that the book's content immediately sprung to mind, and it looks like Nagual spotted this too !

quote:I went to the chair and decided to do some expirements. As I touched the chair, I verified that it seemed solid at first, but with a little pressure, I was able to pass my hand through the wood.

Whenever i go OBE (pretty rarely),I do exactly the same thing. Interesting how initially the material appears solid, but press more firmly, and your fingertips slip through !

quote:Perhaps I raised my vibrational frequency above that of the chair without knowing it, thus allowing myself to move through it without friction?

It seems to me that when we go OBE, we end up in a particular frequency zone/ astral level...we can push the boundaries of that zone, but the frequency is at an equilibrium.

However if we "astral travel" to a new frequency / plane, we discover different laws of physics. It is some kind of interaction between our mind /self , and the non-physical reality. It agrees with the state-entropy stuff you learn back at school, where electrons become excited to different levels, and their tendency is to remain there.

regards
Mark

[Jeff_Mash]

Hey guys,

Just had another OBE and thought I would share it with you.  I am pasting this exactly as I wrote it from the OBE Journal:

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I was in a dream where I was at a house with Chris (my best friend) and I went to bed.  While laying down, I started to stare at this one particular image.  It was like nothing else existed but this one image.  The image itself reminded me of a blue electronic pager.

The longer I stared at it, the more I started to feel the vibrations come upon me.  At first, they started in my head, and slowly started to spread downwards to my neck and chest.  I noticed that when I lost concentration on this image, the vibes started to fade away.

I played with this sensation a little bit, knowing that the more I stared at the image, the more the vibes would come.  I willed the vibrations to move throughout my entire body.  As I did this, I thought to myself, "Instead of rolling out as I usually do, let's just try and be lifted out of my body."

So with the vibes in full effect, I felt myself almost automatically be lifted out of my body vertically, much like you would see a vampire vertically rise out of a coffin from a horizontal position to a standing position, in one smooth motion.

Floating above my body in a standing position, I was let down next to it.  The room was dark, and it appeared foreign to me.  It resembled the room I was in while I was dreaming, but it also appeared to be my childhood home.  Many of my projections seem to take me back to my childhood home.

Since things were really dark, I thought to myself, "I need to create some light."  Knowing that when you're projecting, one can control and create things with their mind, I held out both of my hands, palms upward, and willed myself to create to energy balls which would serve as a light source.

As I tried to create them, I saw flashed of light.  Then, it was almost as if my hands themselves emitted light, and wherever I  pointed my palms, it would illuminate the room, much like pointing a flashlight.  So I pointed the light ahead of me and saw a table and chair in what appeared to me a kitchen.

I went to the chair and decided to do some expirements.  As I touched the chair, I verified that it seemed solid at first, but with a little pressure, I was able to pass my hand through the wood.  One thing I noticed though, which I have witnessed in the past.  Whenever I touch things in the astral, IF I am able to pay attention, there is a particular energetic sound that is made.  The only way I can describe it is that it's like the sound of a Star Wars light saber as it's turned out.  The sound of constant energy buzzing.  This is what I would hear when I touched the chair.  However, as soon as I didn't focus on the sound, I was able to pass my hand through the chair easily, as if it wasn't even there.  No sound, no friction, just my hand passing through it as if it wasn't there.  Perhaps I raised my vibrational frequency above that of the chair without knowing it, thus allowing myself to move through it without friction?

I stood up from here, and decided to go up a flight of stairs.  This was just like the layout of my childhood home now.  As I got to the top of the stairs, I looked out the window and saw two people with their backs towards me, at the bottom of the driveway.  The appeared to be near two cars, a black mustang and another older foreign car.  Both cars were on, but these people were out of the cars.

I didn't know what they were doing in front of "my house", so I decided I should investigate.  Not wanting to jump through the window with the window blinds down, I saw a cord and decided to pull them up.  However, they wouldn't stay up, and as soon as I would let go of the cord, they would always slide halfway down again.

"Screw it," I thought.  "I'm jumping through them anyway!"

With that said, I jumped through the window, and suprisingly, I fell pretty fast from the second story house to the concrete below!  I landed on my feet and without any pain, but in the past, when I have jumped from a significant hieght, I either floated like a feather or I landed in a slow, fluid motion.

I appraoched the two people with their backs towards me.  They both had long hair, and I assumed they were female.  "Can I help you guys with anything?" I asked.

They slowly turned around, and one of the people was a male.  I couldn't tell if he was hurt, drunk, or just disorientated.  The female responded, "Not unless you can do something for Joey."  Joey was this guy she was with.

They started to back up away from me,  and I didn't know what else to do, so I returned to my body.

I was laying on my back on the couch, since around 2:00am I left the bedroom.  At 4:22am, my cell phone alarm went off, so I got up to turn it off, and laid back down.  This encounter happened a short time after that.

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Note: I have noticed that holding an image in your field of vision is one of the KEY things to either induce vibrations, or to strengthen your existing projection.  I don't know why this is, but it works everytime for me.  The hard part is actually getting a clear image in your minds eye to stare at.  But once it happens, as long as you're relaxed and not anxious, you can have a wonderful OBE.