using sleep paralysis to project

[cube]

People ask about this so much that I really think it should go into the next RB book or a sticky topic or something.

I've had 100% success turning sleep paralyssi into OBEs by doing deep breaths. I think other people have tried that and has success as well. (Could someone verify that?)

As far as dealing with negs goes, I've found that being thrilled to be in the astral is a foolproof weapon against them. If you're happy and estatic to be there you probably won't see any because your energy field will be too high for them.

[Sentential]

I dunno bro.... I was possessed in OBE once. Needless to say I will *NEVER* try that again.

They tried several times, hell I even modified my Aura so that it compressed into a 1mm thick shell to protect my body when I was gone. I dunno about what cube said. Im a total n00b to this, but just be careful.

The Astral can be a really scary place. But plz take my words with a grain of salt. I messed around with things that pplz wouldnt dare to do and got burned.

Im sure if you follow cube's advice ur gonna be fine

[cube]

A lot of people including me have had bad initial forays into the astral because negs like to scare us since they know if we become powerful and can project easily it will be impossible to scare us and feed off our negative emotions.

As far as I know the negs can't actually do anything other than B.S. and scare us into submission, people call it Dweller on the Threshold or Old Hag Syndrom where they get paralysis and see a nasty hooded figure glaring at them or an old woman sitting on their chest.

Do you think it's possible the bad OBE you had was an extreme case of Dweller on the Threshold that only seemed like a posession? Could you tell us more about what happened?

[izanagi]

the dreams are very vivid, and they always have to do with me losing control of my body or mind. like this one dream i had for instance, i was feeling this creepy presence and then suddenly i lost my vision and go into this trance where all i see is this huge demonic fiery figure. then i tried to fight to get away from it and it was really hard, but i do eventualy.. and then 30 seconds later it happens again, and again and again. sometimes it's a little different from sleep paralysis and it's just visions and loss of contol. would this still count as sleep paralysis?... im not sure. anyways other times i'll get dreams where i'll be lying in bed and i get sleep paralysis over and over again. im not sure if the satanic/demonic things are negs, or if the Dweller on the Threshold thing is happening, i dont know much about those, im still new to this lol. but i'll read up on it.

[Tiffany]

I too have experienced sleep paralysis when I was younger, and every experience has always been terrifying for me as well... that is, constant whirring noises, dizziness, creepy voices, things touching me, etc. basically the whole nine yards. I find it quite interesting to hear that sleep paraylsis can be a way of inducing an AP but at the same time, there's just too much fear to actually do it. At least, that's the way it is for me.

According to a theory that I've read a while ago, sleep paralysis is caused by sudden consciousness, or waking up before your astral body has time to re-align itself with its other bodies, including the phsyical. What I believe the reason for the sudden awakening is just that something goes wrong in the process of that OBE. Why it happens? I have no idea considering we're not consciously aware when it happens, nor do I have any idea why it causes so much fear and evil presence. Maybe the fact that you lose ability to control your physical body scares the person, and that fear triggers even deeper fears and possible delusions, but I think there's more too that. If anyone has a good logical explanation I would love to hear it.

[izanagi]

fear shmear tiff[]! fear is somthing you can only give power to, and giving power to it is the only way it can control you. next time SP happens and u start to get affraid, just try to keep your mind calm and dont give rise to any negative emotions. these dreams used to terrify me, i seriously was affraid to go to sleep some nights. after while i found how easy it is to control fear, and im now indiffernt to messed up dreams or negs or whatever it happens to be[]

[Hannah b]

I've had 100% success turning sleep paralyssi into OBEs by doing deep breaths. I think other people have tried that and has success as well. (Could someone verify that?)

Hi Cube,
taking deep breaths has helped me when I had strong sleep paralisys, but when they are really weak the slightest movement just wakes my body up. When they are  weak  and I start breathing I begin to loose the numbness...tell me, do you have any "special" methods of breathing that help you reach obe???

[cube]

Deep breaths is only 100% effective for full-on paralysis, if you are in partial paralysis then it's more a matter of remembering what it felt like the other times you projected. If I have partial paralysis I do not move but instead try to fall asleep again and go for deeper paralysis.

I may wake up then and find that I've already projected, but the only way I know that is that I don't move when I wake and instead check to see what things feel like. Just looking with your eyes is not reliable to see if you've projected because realtime sight is so similar to physical sight.


I think paralysis is where your consciousness tuned to the astral frequency but you have not yet created your etheric double. I have been able to feel myself creating an etheric double while meditating, but I wasn't then able to tune my consciousness's frequency to the astral. So it's like I've got both halves of the problem worked out, but can't figure out how to put them together.


Also I think it's significant that 100% paralysis does not mean you have no control at all, since you always have the ability to control your breathing. Paralysis just turns off your voluntary motor skills, but leaves your involuntary and semivoluntary muscles still connected for survival purposes. Because that safeguard is always there, it seems to me that paralysis is maybe by design and part of a larger process, as opposed to being a completely accidental or defective phenomenon.

If we can find out what that larger process is then it's likely we can find a 100% objectively foolproof method of projecting directly from a conscious state that works for everyone and doesn't rely on a lot of subjective feelings that no one can communicate precisely.


One other thing on how to get to parlysis:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12507

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The interrupted sleep method has worked the best for me so far. All you have to do is wake up a few hours early, stay awake for one hour, go back to bed, you'll probably wake up in paralysis or a direct OBE. If it's paralysis do deep breaths to project and you're out!

I haven't found the exact time to wake up and fall asleep that works best for me because I have a really hard time going to sleep at the same time every night. But I've found that the 'inconvenience factor' seems to work to your advantage. You should sleep until you really really don't want to get up, then get up for one hour which is just enough time to make it so you really don't want to go back to bed. At that point go to sleep again with the intention of having a projection.

[Hannah b]

hey Cube,
Thanks for the reply!
if you are in partial paralysis then it's more a matter of remembering what it felt like the other times you projected. If I have partial paralysis I do not move but instead try to fall asleep again and go for deeper paralysis.

hmm...that's what I thought..;(( the breathing method has helped me a lot last time I projected (It's all thanks to you!!!!;))..I 've been just thinking about the mild paralisys, because very often at night I wake up with it and just lay there, trying not to disturb it. If I fall asleep I'll just sleep untill the morning, I have never woken up in deeper paralisys;((..
Oh sorry, once I did! And it was a really beautiful feeling...it was so quiet and warm;)This is a suprisingly odd sensation for a fear freak like me;)..

I think paralysis is where your consciousness tuned to the astral frequency but you have not yet created your etheric double. I have been able to feel myself creating an etheric double while meditating, but I wasn't then able to tune my consciousness's frequency to the astral. So it's like I've got both halves of the problem worked out, but can't figure out how to put them together.

Very interesting point. I get all my obe just by "clicking out", it happens by itself..no energy work nor anything...maybe it's the best time I should finally start to do some energy work;))

Good question...why do we..(or maybe just me) have to go from the paralisys to obe and can't go directly.
I read books by Bruce Moen where he'd project while sitting at a restaurant and drinking coffe..hmm..so maybe it is possible.
Oh, I also have never ever felt the slightest vibration before obe...so , maybe one can project without vibrations, the other can project without paralisys???

The interrupted sleep method has worked the best for me so far. All you have to do is wake up a few hours early, stay awake for one hour, go back to bed, you'll probably wake up in paralysis or a direct OBE.

Yeah, it worked great on me  a few times!Too bad that in the morning hours it's still usually really dark, and it freaks me out.

Thanks again!

[cube]

There have been times when I had mild paralysis and was able to project without going to sleep. I lay very still and relaxed, I didn't really try to force the projection to happen. I'm pretty sure that if you're at that point and you intend to separate and you relax enough you'll create the etheric double.

I wrote about one of my OBEs like that here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12453

[Hannah b]

Thanks again for the help!;)

[cube]

You're welcome! If you figure out a better or more consistent way to do it please let me know!

[Hannah b]

Deal!;)

[izanagi]

Hi everyone,

i have a few questions about sleep paralysis, ever now and then i'll have a really really weird dream that normaly involves me loosing control of my body, and then i uaualy get visions of demons or satan or whatever. but then i wake up, or sometimes just go into another dream and will have sleep paralysis. normaly this happens when i try to obe before i go to bed too.

just a few minutes ago i was reading a reply in another topic that was made by kazbadan and he was going saying how he takes advantage of them to project by just trying to move your astral body.

now.. if your in the middle sleep paralysis but you're being tormented in your dreams by evil things, would it be a good idea to keep on trying to project? and if you are going to try to are there any techniques you can use to not let yourslef be distracted by haunting images? any ansers or insite would help me out alot because i might have found myself a shortcut[]