The Card Trick - Failed miserably!

[Boom]

Hi all,

Some may have heard about the test where you place a playing card out of view. Then go OBE and see the card. Wake up, write it down and go check if you got it right. By doing this a few times would without doubt proove that you have managed to "see" outside of your body, and the whole thing is exciting.

Well I've been trying this for some time now, and have been quite religiously shuffling a pack of cards, and pulling one out and putting it on a shelf without looking nearly every night.  But have also seemed to have completely lost any ability for OBEs.

Well yesterday I woke up and as I was walking out of my room I glanced at the card.  I didnt change it, and later on that afternoon I had an afternoon nap, and would you believe it. I succeeded in an OBE, and I thought about the card and went to it and saw what it was. Of course the experiment was ruined as I had glanced at it beforehand. Though interestly had only glanced at it and didnt particularly keep a note of what it was.  But I did get it right! But totally inconclusive as I had seen it.

So later on I tried again, swapped the card for an unknown one.  I kinda fell asleep then got an OBE from a sleeping phase, but it was very dreamy and very unclear. But I went to see the card, and there was no card there!!  But then just as I was looking away, I noticed a card.  Red King, but didnt quite get the suite. I think it was hearts.  I then attempted to walk through my bedroom door, and just was greeted with blackness. Then I thought, actually no I need to come back right now because I'll forget. So then I woke up.

So I grabbed the laptop and went to type what card it was. (yes laptop was switched on at the side of my bed!)  I had quite a bit of trouble typing it. Just making typos everywhere!  Then I went to look at the card and god damn it.. Red 3 of Clubs. Wasnt a king at all. Ah well.. Then something really interesting happened...

I woke up for real   Armed with two potentials, i wrote both down to the laptop. (explained why i had so much difficulty in typing!)
I went to have a look at the card.  Black 7 of clubs..  Arghhh! completely wrong.

I realised that I had caught myself out. I think the whole thing was a dream, as there was some other completely strange dreamy stuff surrounding the "obes". However the earlier attempt where I knew what card it was, definately had a lot more awareness to it. Certinately the time I woke up but hand't really was most definatley a dream.  The laptop was actually running a different operating system and I hadnt realised that there was something wrong with that!

Interesting experience though, and to be honest. I think I'm going to give up on attempting the card trick, because Im starting to think its hampering my ability to project properly, because I am trying to project to the RTZ rather than aiming further.  Also its always going to be inconclusive as the RTZ as frank puts it has a lot of fluctuations and its quite obvious my mind is capable of making a guess at the card whilst in the phase.  So its unlikely i'll proove Astral Projection this way.

Id be interested in any comments, or whether anyone has had an RTZ projection and proven something in this way. As its all very well having Astral Projections and great vivid awareness in new worlds. Communicating with other beings. But unless you can gather some information which can be quantified in the physical after waking up, how do you know its not just a very good dream?

[Pauli2]

Boom, could it be that you had an LD and not an OBE?

T Campbell has noticed that LDs can be used as springboards to turn them turned into real OBE.

Also Buhlman says that LDs can be turned into OBEs, by requesting "Awareness now!" in the LD,
until you are back in your room.

I'm just guessing, but after having read what more skilled persons write, I'm under the impression that
the energetic level of whatever astral experience there is, has to be raised, by getting higher awareness
to avoid false awakenings and other low level LD effects.

[Boom]

Hi Pauli,

Youre probably right, it may well have been a lucid dream.  Ive tried awarness now. But will keep trying!  I just wish i was better at all this. Its frustrating that i'm not

[Pauli2]

You are probably better than me. When I try "Awareness now!", I just wake up..

And that's probably the problem. After having requested "Awareness now!", Buhlman
instructs the reader to wait. I have to wait until the environment re-stabilizes, but
it doesn't work for me. Everything fades and I wake up a few seconds later...

I wonder if there is some kind of trick involved, which Buhlman saves for his TMI lessons?

Also, Monroe has said that LDs are not in F 22. I wonder if it's one more of Monroe's ways
of not revealing everything?

Waggoner says LDs are great for healing one self. And LaBerge says LDs are great
for improving in sports or playing the piano, so I guess there are ways to use LDs,
and improve on using them.

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

Keep in mind that it probably was an OBE, and reality fluctuations had altered the true potential of the card. Either from parallel possibilities-or from subconscious intent. Also, it seems difficult to stay in the TRUE rtz for very long before aspects of the astral begin to seep through. This makes experiments for verification very difficult, but doable. 

[Pauli2]

Keep in mind that it probably was an OBE...
 

The false awakening is that typical for LDs (lucid dreams) or is a false awakening a typical OBE phenomena?

How often did Monroe experience false awakening? Or Buhlman or R Bruce?

[Xanth]

The false awakening is that typical for LDs (lucid dreams) or is a false awakening a typical OBE phenomena?

How often did Monroe experience false awakening? Or Buhlman or R Bruce?

A false awakening is a "non-physical dream awareness experience" in which you don't know you're still in the non-physical.  It's really simple.
All these authors try to sound smart by creating all these dividing lines between all these experiences... I'm quite baffled as to why they haven't been able to figure out what is so clearly right infront of them. 

Youre probably right, it may well have been a lucid dream.  Ive tried awarness now. But will keep trying!  I just wish i was better at all this. Its frustrating that i'm not

Boom, what you experienced WAS an OBE... there's no doubt what-so-ever in my mind of that.  But you do have to be wary of reality fluctuations.  They're most likely a result of allowing your mind to wander while you're in the non-physical.  Everything is thought responsive there... and not only conscious thought, subconscious thoughts change things as well.

When reading stuff like a card, you need to have *NO* expectations upon what the card might be... and allow the card to form of it's own volition.  Don't try to read the card when you're already forming an assumption upon what it might be, because that WILL change the card based upon your expectations, not based upon what the card actually is.

Under_the_Midnight_Sun is quite correct in that this makes verification in such things very hard.

As for getting better, Boom, just keep practicing.  Get into Meditation if you haven't already... you have to train your mind accordingly. 

[Boom]

Thanks Xanth, Your post is very encouraging.
Trust me, desire and want to AP really isnt enough which is a shame

Im now focussing on trying to Lucid Dream, and hoping to learn to do that. Because  I seem to lack the ability to AP or OBE from the waking state.

[Xanth]

I don't believe that for a second.  Everyone has the ability to project!
The stumbling block most people have is that they either have some kind of conscious or subconscious belief that is stopping them... or they're just not putting in the time and effort required.

You should work on meditating towards that point consciousness state I mentioned to you earlier. 

[Boom]

Cheers dude.

Well that was interesting...    (and possibly a nice coincidence but this made me smile)

Just did Monroes Introduction to Focus 12 CD.   However before I did that I shuffled a deck of cards and pulled a random one from the middle of the pack, and as always placed upright out of my sight without looking.  I then left the shuffled deck of cards face down nearby.

Whilst doing the focus 12  CD I didnt get any OBE or anything like that. Just kinda meditated I guess! Felt relaxed and tried to imagine my conciousness expanding as much as possible as instructed by the CD and to loose as much awareness of my physical body as I could.

When Monroe said youre in Focus 12, I turned my thoughts to the card that I had left out, in an effort to perceive it. I sort of got the feeling of red diamonds, a high number.  8 perhaps.  As I continued I also got the feeling of a low number, spades,black. Perhaps 2 or 3.  So I just thought yeah yeah I'm just guessing now.  These were just kinda random thoughts, first thing that came to me without trying to actually guess.

After the CD finished. I went to have a look at the card that I had pulled out. And yup, I was completely wrong! Black King of Spades. But then I thought.. I wonder what the first card is on the deck that I had left face down at the side... Well I couldnt believe it!  Red 8 of Diamonds. The one I got the thought of during F12!.. Then I wondered, whats the second one? Well awesome! Black 4 of spades! Close to my second 'guess'!!

Somehow i didnt perceive the card I had pulled out face up. But the one on top of the pack which had been left face down.

Or it was just a very good coincidental guess!

[Boom]

Sorry to rebump this thread again. Just wanted to share an amusing thing that happened last night when I once again attempted an RTZ projection.

I laid flat on my back and attempted entering a lucid dream state using the method from lucidology. Basically just remaining completely and utterly still and ignoring the urge to roll over so that your body thinks the mind is asleep and puts you into paralysis.

I did kind of manage to drift off to sleep. But I did feel OBE. The reason why I felt what people call a classic OBE is due to the vision I perceived which I have had before when OBEing. Whereas a classic dream is blurry. This is more very narrow peripheral vision but much sharper. Its just different. Feels different.  I wasnt hundred percent aware. But I was sat up on my bed and I was shuffling a pack of cards and picking one out for me to see in the physical!  Why was I doing that? Its as if I was mirroring the experiment Leaving a card out in the phase in order for me to perceive in the phsyical!  Internestingly also the orientation of me and the room was opposite, like being in a mirror.  Obviously the pack of cards I had were non physical, so there's no way I'd see them in the physical when i woke up! 

It just amused me!  Also of interest, I looked at the random card I left out and it was the black joker.   I then did become more aware and realise what am I doing, and tried to go over to look at the set of cards.  But i moved too fast and shot off somewhere then woke up. 

The black joker card did not match up to the card I had left out in the physical. 
So still failing on this one, I'm afraid!

[Tee1234]

Hi all,

Some may have heard about the test where you place a playing card out of view. Then go OBE and see the card. Wake up, write it down and go check if you got it right. By doing this a few times would without doubt proove that you have managed to "see" outside of your body, and the whole thing is exciting.

Well I've been trying this for some time now, and have been quite religiously shuffling a pack of cards, and pulling one out and putting it on a shelf without looking nearly every night.  But have also seemed to have completely lost any ability for OBEs.

Well yesterday I woke up and as I was walking out of my room I glanced at the card.  I didnt change it, and later on that afternoon I had an afternoon nap, and would you believe it. I succeeded in an OBE, and I thought about the card and went to it and saw what it was. Of course the experiment was ruined as I had glanced at it beforehand. Though interestly had only glanced at it and didnt particularly keep a note of what it was.  But I did get it right! But totally inconclusive as I had seen it.

So later on I tried again, swapped the card for an unknown one.  I kinda fell asleep then got an OBE from a sleeping phase, but it was very dreamy and very unclear. But I went to see the card, and there was no card there!!  But then just as I was looking away, I noticed a card.  Red King, but didnt quite get the suite. I think it was hearts.  I then attempted to walk through my bedroom door, and just was greeted with blackness. Then I thought, actually no I need to come back right now because I'll forget. So then I woke up.

So I grabbed the laptop and went to type what card it was. (yes laptop was switched on at the side of my bed!)  I had quite a bit of trouble typing it. Just making typos everywhere!  Then I went to look at the card and god damn it.. Red 3 of Clubs. Wasnt a king at all. Ah well.. Then something really interesting happened...

I woke up for real   Armed with two potentials, i wrote both down to the laptop. (explained why i had so much difficulty in typing!)
I went to have a look at the card.  Black 7 of clubs..  Arghhh! completely wrong.

I realised that I had caught myself out. I think the whole thing was a dream, as there was some other completely strange dreamy stuff surrounding the "obes". However the earlier attempt where I knew what card it was, definately had a lot more awareness to it. Certinately the time I woke up but hand't really was most definatley a dream.  The laptop was actually running a different operating system and I hadnt realised that there was something wrong with that!

Interesting experience though, and to be honest. I think I'm going to give up on attempting the card trick, because Im starting to think its hampering my ability to project properly, because I am trying to project to the RTZ rather than aiming further.  Also its always going to be inconclusive as the RTZ as frank puts it has a lot of fluctuations and its quite obvious my mind is capable of making a guess at the card whilst in the phase.  So its unlikely i'll proove Astral Projection this way.

Id be interested in any comments, or whether anyone has had an RTZ projection and proven something in this way. As its all very well having Astral Projections and great vivid awareness in new worlds. Communicating with other beings. But unless you can gather some information which can be quantified in the physical after waking up, how do you know its not just a very good dream?

Ive done experiments like this in the past with dice, cards, a clock ,tv .....

Ive had successful experiments. Heres the thing though. Usually when I exit my body im standing next to my bed watching myself sleep. I can stand there in my bedroom and watch tv if I wanted. But the thing is you can cross over into the astral and not even know it. The things in your room might look identical but its possible that you might of crossed over already and when you look at the card you can get some astral card, obviously giving you a false reading.

For me- when I exit, as long as im near my body, basically dont leave my room, I can remain like a ghost , watch myself sleep. But once I get so far away, exit my room, I switch over to the astral which sometimes can be deceiving and seem as if I am still in the everyday world wandering around, But its not though.

When I first tried something like this I did it with Dice and rolled the Di on the roof right outside my bedroom window. So that night I projected went out on the roof and looked at the di and woke myself. I immediately went to confirm it and it was wrong.

I did it a while like this until I figured out what was going on. I was crossing over and when I looked at the di, I always got false readings. I rolled them to far from my body so by the time I looked at them I had already crossed over to the astral. I have like a 10/15ft radius from my body and when I cross it, im in the astral.

So what I did was a rolled the di right next to my bed. So when I exit my body Ill I had to do was look down and id be starring right at them. When I did that it was a success.

Everybodies different but this is how it is for me.
But if your gonna experiment Id say give it a shot. Im curious to see if it works as well. Blindly pick a card and tape it to the wall right behind your head or even the headboard if ya got 1, obviously dont look at it. Point is have it as close as possible and immediately when you exit, look at it and then wake to confirm it. Trick is to look at it ((immediately)) before you cross over. Even if your not really sure what happens to you when you exit, just look at the card immediately.

[Boom]

Thanks Tee, very informative.

I actually put the card on a table at the other side of my room, which is out of sight when im laid in my bed. To stop me accidently looking at it, or somehow perceiving it in peripheral vision.

Still no good success yet, but im utterly utterly useless at invoking an Out of Body. So I would say i've only had like 2 or 3 potentially decent goes at it in the last few months. One of those times i did get an OBE I knew what teh card was already as had forgot to change it from a previous attempt! grr!

I wanna do this so bad!

[David Warner]

Boom.

Please review the document thread here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/the_playing_card_experiment-t18497.0.html

I have been successfull with the playing card and have the data, documents, to validate this. It did take awhile and when I mean "awhile" we are talking years to experiment. Not just a simple, I will project, put a card out physically and have instant success.

Good Luck,

DW

[Boom]

Read the thread, Congratulations David   Well done!

Due to a busy scheduled i've kinda laid off trying for a while but hoping to get going again very soon!

Cheers