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[G01kur_Kisel]

Hi guys!
First time here, I just wanted to clarify this and see if I'm on the right path here with AP's
This is what happened to me during the night. I hope it isn't too much text.

I went to bed and relaxed myself with a little bit of self-hypnosis. After my heart rate was very low and I was ready to fall asleep I started trying a technique I found on a page where you repeat a phrase over and over again. The ide is that you keep doing this and since your body is so ready fall asleep at anytime it will tire and your mind will still be awake.

So I tried and kept repeating, I think it was about 5-10 minutes of I can fly I can fly. What happened next was really really weird.
I sort of felt as if my whole body went nun, I couldn't  feel my face, my toes or anything. And I think my jaw relaxed to the point that it opened up a little bit and I think I could see through my own eyes but it turned out that my eyelids had slowly rolled up on the selves. As I thought I could see through them the wall that I was facing was lit up, with an ambient light, it just seemed brighter. I dont live nearby a road so it couldn't have been a car or something like that.

At this point it freaked me out so much that my heart rate was going up fast and I think I got back in or aborted the seperation if it even was any?
but I felt as if I still was in a deep trance and had to with a bit of effort turn my head to get clear view of my room and it seemed as if the room was unstable. As if the mass itself was unstable and corners and room was kinda swaying.

My heart rate was to high at this point so I decided that I should stop and go to bed. I kinda spooked myself after reading post here of meeting aliens and such. Don't want to have a grey standing above me while I'm paralyzed and can't do anything.

thanks for any response I will be sure to keep checking this site out, this is very very exciting indeed. Can't wait until 2012 : )

[Xanth]

Hi there G01kur_Kisel!
Nice to meet you.

First off, you can never post enough text.

Secondly, it sounds like you were well underway of having your first projection!
However, the "new" sensations you were experiencing had you making snap judgements on what exactly was happening... and mix that with your preconceived notions of "aliens" and "such"... it's no surprise you scuttled your attempt. 

What you need to do now is become comfortable with those "strange" things you felt and saw until the point comes where it won't cause you to get scared or excited.

But you're definitely on the right path. 

[G01kur_Kisel]

Cool Xanth! thank you for the quick response.
I'll be sure to try again tonight now that I know what to expect. I'll post again if anything happens^^

[personalreality]

the most important thing I discovered in my practice was to keep my mind as "uninterested" as possible in what I was doing.  It seems that when I would try to do a method or technique I would try "too hard".

[G01kur_Kisel]

Yeah I noticed it tonight, that I knew what to expect so I rushed too fast. didn't come as far tonight. But i got a tingling and warm sensation in my feet and little upwards, and every time I get to that point of somethings happening I tend to focus on that but I suppose you're not.
But my vision was blurred and it was pretty beautiful, I guess it was just my eyes playing with me or my mind but I didn't focus on anything and it was a shadow play on my walls and ceiling, and the lights from the windows were those from when you are submerged underwater and the sun hits the surface. It was as if I was being under water in the darkest parts and the lights came from the windows.

It was pretty beautiful so I stayed and watched that for a while. This was when I still was conscious so I guess it was just a mtter of switch your vision.

Any tips on how to achieve that feeling again that you don't know what to except, as if you're going on the rollercoster for the first time and just have to sit and go with the ride?

[personalreality]

This is a lame and useless answer in many regards, but you just have to keep doing it.  Over and over.  You have to become either desensitized or you have to develop your focus enough that you can ignore it.

[G01kur_Kisel]

anyone getting reeaally reaally hot while laying in your trance state? I used to do some energy work mainly tai chi and its kinda the same feeling. But mostly it gets really hot and I sweat a lot lying under the quilt.

I swear if anyone was lying beside me they would have been boiling, cause I had to uncover and breeze my legs.
I've done more and more research and tried different methods but I need to find something that feelings natural to me, that comes easy.
Ive listen to coast to coast if anyone of you know what that is, but it's a great show, gave me good tips : )
here the link if your interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyNJSSrY5Y&feature=PlayList&p=DDA6911C7639EA51&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1

And can you ly to long in the trance state? cause I seem to bounce back and be fully awake and conscious, almost refreshed. and it hasn't gone more than perhaps 40 min.
But I'll keep practicing, thou I almost feel that I would like to be in a full SP mode so that I can actually literally struggle myself out. But maybe that will just wake the body up? ah well.

[Tiny]

And can you ly to long in the trance state? cause I seem to bounce back and be fully awake and conscious, almost refreshed. and it hasn't gone more than perhaps 40 min.
But I'll keep practicing, thou I almost feel that I would like to be in a full SP mode so that I can actually literally struggle myself out. But maybe that will just wake the body up? ah well.

Dear G01kur_Kisel,

it simply shouldn't be a struggle. You should manage to lay there as passively as possible until your astral body gets loose enough. When you're loose enough you should be able to simply rise out of your body at ease and with no astral limbs hindering you.
Sleep paralysis is not required nor are "the vibrations".


It has been my experience that the proper trance state is not simply marked by alpha or theta brainwaves but also a feeling of heaviness in your body that like your eyes and teeth are turning to stone.

It seems that many people stay locked in their physical body because they expect at some point that they could simply raise their astral arms over their physical arms. This is a bad idea because this will turn attention back to the physical arms. One can not expect to move the astral arms like one moves the physical arms it should be an act of imagination/visualization at best. But above all, you're better off if without the astral limbs and just be a free floating camera rising out of your body.


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

If you want to shut down your body you must also shut down your body-mind.

Hey Paul,

Could you explain a bit more what you mean by that?
I'm just slightly confused. 

[Tiny]

Hey Paul,

Could you explain a bit more what you mean by that?
I'm just slightly confused. 

Never mind, just forget that line, I was diving too deep and with that the chances for misunderstanding and overcomplication rise too high.


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

Never mind, just forget that line, I was diving too deep and with that the chances for misunderstanding and overcomplication rise too high.


kind regards,

Paul

If you insist...

[G01kur_Kisel]

Thanks Tiny. Your responses are very helpful actually, and I've seen you in many other posts. Thank you.

After about 10 minutes of relaxation this wave of "relaxation" hits upon me. My senses goes somewhat nun. My hearing perception changes. I feel heavy, like rooted to my bed, cemented if you will. I can still move myself If I wanted to but that would break it. Every breath that I take, and on the exhales feels like a ripple effect of energy, how should I say, much like if you would drop a drip of water in a quite pond and watch the waves spread out, that's how it feels with every exhale that I make, except that the waves are energy and me being the water.

I'm still very aware, really don't know what to do at this stage so this is from where I start a technique, may it be the rope, or repeating or something but doesn't really take me much further than that.

In theory if I interpret  your response correctly I have achieved that state and should in practicality be in my astral body already when I'm feeling this. I did feel like my arms and legs were somewhat floating above my bed, or well perhaps above my body but perhaps 1/4 inch or so. My arms felt very light but it wasn't really my arms it was the feeling of lightness.

If it is that easy as it sounds then it really must be a mental blockage for me of some sort. I have a really hard time of just getting out of my body, I don't know how to imagine this, maybe the expectation, I'm convinced that if I ever achieve my first one this will be a laughing matter for me, it usually is,

cause if what you explained is true and I have no doubt that it is, then like I mentioned before I have been out? but felt no difference if that makes sense? if I open my eye at this point everything is blurry and kinda dark toned, I can correct this simply by focusing.

very thankful in your help tiny and I feel that I'm on the right path and that you might push me or explain to me that last missing pieces here. thank you.

And thank you of course all you other that are taking an interest in this post^^

/ gotta have a signature that says, you can call me Kisel.

[G01kur_Kisel]

I've done some more search on this forum and found interesting replies and methods especially from Indians reply in some threads especially in this one
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/question_to_phasing_experts-t31297.0.html

So taking that into account I developed what you might call a your own TV. Just like Indian said there is no technique, just lay down and observe. So this is how I go about and where I am at the moment.

I go to bed

Let my mind spin off getting comfortable

Do some breathing exercises, to settle myself

Now really just doing nothing, not even trying cause trying itself would fail, in fact don't  even try to not try. Just imagine that your brain is occupied in your scull as a globe and that it is a TV with all these different images that are your thoughts and voices just spinning around and playing, and you are the observer, you don't interact you do nothing, just observe, it is what it is. Sometimes it might seem as it is you interacting with the scenery but you will learn what you are actively doing right now as of in this moment and what is being tape recorded / play-backed.

What happens to me after a while is that your thought quite down, as if its nearing the end of the played tape, still do nothing, just observe.
then blackness comes, after a while objects/ a object starts to form, I've tried 2 times an both times it's been different objects, they are much clearer in vision than for me would be a fantasy. This object grabs my attention so I start focusing on it. Shortly after that I get these swelling sensations, these energy waves under my back as if I'm being massaged from the oceans, just like waves, it's very very comfortable. I got a lid on my ear or the popping sensation you get when you exit a tunnel or from an airplane. Also felt that my throat was collapsing on myself but I knew this couldn't happen but it was hard to ignore.
I kinda forgot my breath, I could hear my breath from outside. And I felt this pulling sensation, that I was just being dragged and dragged towards this object.

Hard to stay uninterested and just let it happen, I guess you still have to just observe until you are out, however that might feel. but I'm hoping that I shall have progress soon. I just wanted to share this cause it resonates with me, that I think this might be my way of approaching it.

Also the first time I tried it, (tonight was my second try ) I could actually feel that I had to breaths it was very awkward, one was my regular and the other was a energy breath, it felt just as my regular one but of energy and had the same pulse, but it was off sync, that was very hard to ignore and just observe.

[indian]

G01kur_Kisel,

In your very first experience, you were close to AP but caught in lucid dreaming. How can I say this surely, because I had similar experience when I was trying AP in my beginning. After trying so many attempts one morning, I was about to sleep and suddenly I had vision. Suddenly everything around me illuminated and I was able to see things around me while my eyes were closed. I also got excited and pulled myself back. For few weeks I was thinking that I must have seen something extraordinary but later I realized that it was lucid dreaming.

Classic AP has not given me any good result ever. There were so many issues with the memory and consciousness. In classic AP the line between AP and Lucid Dream is very very thin. I was very confused in my beginning until I tried Phasing. When I stopped AP and started Phasing, things got clear to me.

People have written so many techniques about AP and that is what has made AP almost impossible for beginners. Those who try so many techniques, make it almost impossible to project. Then later they realize that they need to cut down things and then they learn to forget all those techniques and project naturally.

From my experience, so much energy work and astral body development always pulls you back and creates confusion with neutral process. I, myself tried so many things and then I realized that more energy work, meditation, blank mind techniques I use, the far behind I was going.

It all happened one day when I was tired of everything and just lying in my bed (very hopeless), I had stopped all energy work and everything few days back, I was just lying and daily routine thoughts were coming in my mind. And then I got myself engaged in a thought in which I was trying to wipe the carpet as it was real mess. I was thinking of cleaning it in the morning and I was planning like where will I start from and suddenly I got so much engaged in this process and I could see myself doing it. Suddenly the environment got changed and I could see my consciousness shifting focus. That was the first time I was able to see the shifting process of consciousness and I was shocked to know that actually all those energy work and everything was taking me back from this neutral process.

The key point is to "observe" and "keep your consciousness away from your body". For that you can create a scene, or get involved in the images coming in your mind. Just observe it, that's it. You do not need to see if your body is asleep or your senses are active or not.

If you could feel the swell or floating or any sensation, that means your are still very much conscious  about your body. If body feels numb that means you are actually there to feel it. When you go in a complete trance or say focus 12 or 10 (or whatever it is called), you will not be there to feel your body or anything like that. Those who say that in focus 10 you can feel your body then from my experience, you will never be able to project. Because your astral body leaves your physical naturally and if you are able to feel it, you wont go out.

So just engage your thoughts on a single activity (away from your body) and keep observing that.

Trust me it is very very simple process and doesn't require any special techniques or any sort of extra ordinary effort.

But remember one thing, you need time. Give yourself enough time to get used to these trance state and then slowly you will know your way.

And yes, very important thing, there will NOT be any alien waiting for you there. It's all useless crap. This world starts with your thought, so if you think there is an alien, they will be there. So from very beginning, deny everything whatever is said and written and then just observe.

Let me know if I can be any more help.

Regards

[Psilibus]

Wow, you guys are great. These are excellent answers.

G01kur_Kisel -

You were right there. At the cusp of the experience. Go for the ride. Relax. Don't be afraid. Erase expectations. When you do project there will yet be another hurdle - "Now what do I do", as you bob around bouncing of the ceiling or some such phenomena. As long as youstay calm and concentrate on the experience it will take you where you want to go. Indians last post was very good info.

Don't get too confused by all the info out there. Pick a technique that is comfortable and go with it!

[G01kur_Kisel]

It's very interesting what you are suggestion Indian in how you go about to do your projections? or maybe it's phasing? I haven't read Freds pdf so I don't know what phasing is on that point. But it seems like this observing "technique" is pretty much the complete opposite of every other manual or technique that is out there? from Robert Bruce to some online manual like the rope grabbing. How come?
and how often to you successfully project with just observing?

also: "
So just engage your thoughts on a single activity (away from your body) and keep observing that."

what an how do you mean by that?  a single activity away from your body, hmm, like just flying? or something just hanging on the ceiling? I'm thinking that when you have whatever sensation that might come it should not draw your attention to that sensation, cause that would be towards your body.
and also should you just observe all the time? when should I actively if ever engage my consciousness towards whatever appears in my mind?

when do I know that I'm out? and what happens if i stop observing at that point and realize that I am out? and start looking around? can I do that?
thanks for all the answers. Great : ) 

[Xanth]

There's no "correct" way to project.
What Robert Bruce says is one way...
What Frank says is another...
What someone else says is yet another...

You have to find that which works best for you and go with it.

~Ryan

[Fresco]

There's no "correct" way to project.
What Robert Bruce says is one way...
What Frank says is another...
What someone else says is yet another...

You have to find that which works best for you and go with it.

~Ryan

Quoted for Absolute Truth

[Psilibus]

I concur Fresco. Nice reply Xanth. I tried to applaud but must wait 100 days? 

We mustn't get lost in the semantics. I previously wrote a long response to this post but somehow it didn't show(?) I won't waste anyone's time I guess. You will make it G01kur_Kisel, you must persist. Don't keep changing your approach. All paths lead to the same destination eventually. It is the effort which will pay off. Look how much closer you are now than when you started. Reward yourself for the effort. The fact that you are here, posting and communicating with these fine people means you are closer than ever. Keep telling us of your success and close calls.

Enjoy the day! (Sunny here in Oregon, finally! )

[indian]

It's very interesting what you are suggestion Indian in how you go about to do your projections? or maybe it's phasing? I haven't read Freds pdf so I don't know what phasing is on that point. But it seems like this observing "technique" is pretty much the complete opposite of every other manual or technique that is out there? from Robert Bruce to some online manual like the rope grabbing. How come?
and how often to you successfully project with just observing?

Yes, this technique is a bit different from classic projection. Basically in classic astral projection, when you use any technique, you actually do not project because of that technique, you project because somehow you manage to get that "Natural Way". That is why so many people use techniques but very very few manage to reach to a successful projection. People who follow their own insight, manage to project while other who sticks to some kind of technique always looses hope.

In AP you feel like going out of body while in phasing you just shift your focus. There will not be any sensation of floating in the air or getting out of the body. In AP you only just "Feel" going out of body and in fact you Do not go anywhere.

[/quote]

also: "
So just engage your thoughts on a single activity (away from your body) and keep observing that."

what an how do you mean by that?  a single activity away from your body, hmm, like just flying? or something just hanging on the ceiling? I'm thinking that when you have whatever sensation that might come it should not draw your attention to that sensation, cause that would be towards your body.
and also should you just observe all the time? when should I actively if ever engage my consciousness towards whatever appears in my mind?

The reason of keeping your consciousness away from the body is to forget about your physical body. People keep watching the whole process of mind awake and body asleep and hence they miss the ride. You actually do not have to watch your body, you do not need to feel if your body is numb or your hearing is still on or not. Do you watch your body when you go to sleep? No. When you go to sleep, you just go, you actually do not relax yourself. So relaxation and all that makes you aware deep down and that doesn't let your body sleep naturally.

My stress is on neutral process, no matter how many people argue about techniques, but I have learn it from my experience that if you stress on any technique you will miss it. People who were not aware of any kind of AP or anything like that, when I told them about phasing naturally, most of them succeed within a week.

Yes, you just need to observe. For example, just close your eyes and do not stress on your eyes. Just look within, you do not need to look out. Like when you go to sleep what you do? you just close your eyes, some thoughts will come.. from here and there, you just keep observing those thoughts. Keep looking those thoughts and do not do anything. just keep observing. Soon those thoughts will convert into images or some kind of scene. When I say scene, I don't mean any kind of screen will appear in your mind. No, DO NOT stress on any kind of screen. It is like day dreaming. How you see things when you day dream? yes.. just like that. Here what you have to do is Observe that Day Dreaming. And soon you will actively get involve in that thought. Your thought will become live and you will be able to see how focus is shifting. You will automatically be involved, you do not have to do anything from your side. Once you are there, then you will be able to go anywhere you like.

In classic AP, you feel like going out of your body while in phasing that going out sensation doesn't comes. Once you get involve in the scene actively, after that everything works in same manner as in AP. But in phasing you don't loose your memory and consciousness easily. So phasing is much more better than class AP.

when do I know that I'm out? and what happens if i stop observing at that point and realize that I am out? and start looking around? can I do that?
thanks for all the answers. Great : ) 

It will happen automatically. You do not have to do anything. You will know when you phase out. You can phase into RTZ too. First you will have to just phase out and after that you can decide where to go. The key is to let the body sleep and you will phase automatically. You will have to just watch this whole process, there is no effort needed from your end.

Sometimes it gets very hard to explain things, but I am trying my best to do so. Let me know if there is any confusion and then I will try to explain further.

Regards

[Psilibus]

Indian -
I for one thought you did quite well. You must have had practice explaining this before  . What you did is explain a technique though. I for one would like to hear more about "People who follow their own insight, manage to project while other who sticks to some kind of technique always looses hope." This is what I did and do but when I try to explain it I only seem to get in trouble for spouting some new age schtick. Please elaborate on the idea of following your own insight. I think I know what you mean but don't want to step on toes. This "phasing" is new to me since I have joined Astral Pulse and is really kind of an obscure approach. I have not read the entire Frank's PDF yet though.

[G01kur_Kisel]

Thank you Indian : ) Your ideas and thoughts were pretty clear for me the instant I read your reply in the thread linked in at page 1. I needed verification and elaboration on your thoughts merging with mine and it seems we / you have it going on the right track. Thanks
I will stick onto this method. Just to keep the thread going since I feel that the more you mention the more "aha" moments I get and even stuff I recognize since before as I child. I was and always have been a daydreamer.

RTZ = Real time zone?

So my question is that when you daydream a whole scene from your mind and you play with that scene, those words connect strongly with me since that's pretty much all I do / did before.
And you are saying that this is the same principle, but hmm. I guess I need a verification on when do I know if I'm out if I don't feel anything, beside a shift in focus?

To me it sounds a little bit like if you are daydreaming vividly, totally into this fantasy world? then in theory you could pretty much get an AP from that? from consciousness sitting in a chair, starting a daydream perhaps with girl, or love or something. Then the next thing you know you would actually be there? smelling the flowers feeling the wind? not that your physical body is there but your consciousness is there in some sort? but that still takes me to, hey wait a minute where am I, I need to "wake" myself up and realize that I am out of my body and get in the the real time zone and then move on to where ever I want to go?

I'm trying my best I can to grasp and understand (and I do). You have explained it very well and clear so you don't have to be offended or anything (some people do, when they explain well to people and people still don't get it) ^^ I just haven't projected yet so I'm guessing ahead here : )

But when you phase? do you actually go to sleep? I mean do you fall to sleep so to speak? like if I were to hit you with a bat and knock you out kind of sleep? or do you have that little awareness deep down inside lurking which knows that every other system is down and can now go out on adventures? or maybe I shouldn't even start on that path?

Gonna go and read franks manual now : )

[Xanth]

Thank you Indian : ) Your ideas and thoughts were pretty clear for me the instant I read your reply in the thread linked in at page 1. I needed verification and elaboration on your thoughts merging with mine and it seems we / you have it going on the right track. Thanks
I will stick onto this method. Just to keep the thread going since I feel that the more you mention the more "aha" moments I get and even stuff I recognize since before as I child. I was and always have been a daydreamer.

RTZ = Real time zone?

So my question is that when you daydream a whole scene from your mind and you play with that scene, those words connect strongly with me since that's pretty much all I do / did before.
And you are saying that this is the same principle, but hmm. I guess I need a verification on when do I know if I'm out if I don't feel anything, beside a shift in focus?

To me it sounds a little bit like if you are daydreaming vividly, totally into this fantasy world? then in theory you could pretty much get an AP from that? from consciousness sitting in a chair, starting a daydream perhaps with girl, or love or something. Then the next thing you know you would actually be there? smelling the flowers feeling the wind? not that your physical body is there but your consciousness is there in some sort? but that still takes me to, hey wait a minute where am I, I need to "wake" myself up and realize that I am out of my body and get in the the real time zone and then move on to where ever I want to go?

I'm trying my best I can to grasp and understand (and I do). You have explained it very well and clear so you don't have to be offended or anything (some people do, when they explain well to people and people still don't get it) ^^ I just haven't projected yet so I'm guessing ahead here : )

But when you phase? do you actually go to sleep? I mean do you fall to sleep so to speak? like if I were to hit you with a bat and knock you out kind of sleep? or do you have that little awareness deep down inside lurking which knows that every other system is down and can now go out on adventures? or maybe I shouldn't even start on that path?

Gonna go and read franks manual now : )

What you're describing is one way to practice Phasing.

Basically, Frank determined that your "imagination" is part of his Primary Focus 2 of Consciousness.
This is also where you dream, lucid dream and astral project.  The only difference is that your imagination is a lower branch of PF2oC, while the other activities are a higher branch.

So, what you do is you get all comfy and relaxed... relax your head, your eyes, your entire body... then start to visualize a 'scene', or daydream, as I prefer to call it.  Engage all your physical senses into this daydream... and eventually, you'll find that you've 'stepped into' the daydream. 
You're now in PF2oC.  From here it's a short phase shift to the Astral.

[Stookie]

To get a little more detailed, you don't really want to "daydream". People do that all day long and don't AP. If it's too long and detailed, you're bound to just start letting your mind wander, but a short repeatable scenario that engages your senses keeps you focused on a particular thing. But if it's too short and boring, it won't hold your interest.

But when you phase? do you actually go to sleep? I mean do you fall to sleep so to speak? like if I were to hit you with a bat and knock you out kind of sleep? or do you have that little awareness deep down inside lurking which knows that every other system is down and can now go out on adventures? or maybe I shouldn't even start on that path?

The way I see it, you should be so focused on phasing that you won't care whether your body is asleep or not.

[G01kur_Kisel]

The way I see it, you should be so focused on phasing that you won't care whether your body is asleep or not.

Gotcha!

haha, then it can't fail, or well it can't but it wont matter, you will have a good nights sleep.