In my limited experience, an OBE initially takes you to what many here call the Real Time Zone (RTZ), which is a semi-dense energetic echo of the physical world but not the physical itself. I believe the astral and other planes can be accessed from the RTZ, but I haven't successfully accomplished this (consciously, at least). If by AP you mean Astral Projection, I consider this another name for a conscious OBE attempt. But if you mean Astral Phasing then yes, you will go directly to whatever part of the astral you visualize and focus your intent upon.
Hi LD,
Yes, my understanding is the same as Colin. An OBE is a projection into the real time zone (RTZ). Astral Phasing is where one phases directly to a part of the astral. Phasing occurs without the "mind-split" effect that Robert Bruce describes with many projections into the RTZ.
Very best,
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I guess the RTZ is actually the etheric plane? because it is closer to
the phisical plane.
I read a few books, and didn't saw the turm "RTZ" at any of those...
Hi LD,
Robert Bruce makes use of the term Real Time Zone RTZ in his book Astral Dynamics. You can order a copy online, or if money is an issue there is an online Treatise on OBE that is quite good.
See his website: http://www.astralpulse.com (home page). Look where it says "Site Guide" and click on the links that interest you. [:)]
Very best,
Thank you... Ill try to read it whenever I can...
I just have to many books to read, most of them are about AP&OBE [:D]
and my time at school is not very helpfull [:P]
Hello everyone!
I wanted to know what are the differences between an OBE and AP...
the differences I know:
when out on AP you get to the Astral plane, while on OBE you get to the phisical plane. you can get through OBE to other planes.
when on OBE you are actually "invisible" and can see\hear things in the phisical pane, while the Astral plane is different from the phisical, and you cannot see/hear things from the phisical.
when AP you are less clear and have more chance to fall into the "Alice effect", while on the OBE you are more clear, and less chances for that to happen.
correct me if im wrong at any of this.
and if anyone knows any more differences, please note them here.
have a nice day!