Weird SP/Projection?

[raditus]

Sometimes when I am waking up, but be awake enough to tell what's what, I'll have weird trippy things happen like I did LSD. I never and and never will do LSD. I did not even smoke my Mugwort blend before bed. I did project to talk to a dude, not Walt but another guy named Jack. I have also created a watcher to help me with making stuff/scanning ect. Suffice to say, after this, I will most likely not ever wear my headphones to bed again.

I am awaking up for no apparent reason. My room is nearly pitch black, the way I like it. My MP3 device dead, the battery having ran out when I was was projecting/asleep. I feel this creeped out feeling and sort of sluggish in the head. Like beng half-asleep, but something different than that.  My headphones are the newer ones like earbuds, but with the big pluggy things that you can stick right in your ears. Suddenly, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were little skulls, not speakers in my ears. They were opening their mouths open and shut while inside my ears!. I gut understandably grossed out, yanked them out and flung them to the floor. They weren't skulls,but regular headphones. I was moderately freaked out, flung myself back on my pillow, eyes wide and didn't go back to sleep for at least ten minutes. After which, nothing else strange happened.

I don't know if this Jack guy screwed around with stuff or I was still partially projected or had a SP thing going on. Or even if it was the type of music I was listening to earlier. Which it wasn't even music but an astral beat I got off YT a couple of months ago.

[EscapeVelocity]

I think it was just the freaky aberrations you can get caught up in when in SP and Hypnagogia. You can come to some bizarre conlusions instantaneously and agitate yourself all day over it. Could be the music, too. lol

And I don't think you just "woke up for no apparent reason".

Maybe your inner self was rousing you for an exit attempt while in SP?

Just thinking...

[soarin12]

I know the feeling.  I get this kind of stuff almost half the time when I'm projecting.  I almost quit conscious projections once cuz it got so disturbing.  It usually starts with that creepy feeling (sometimes it feels totally evil) then on to some kind of creepy hallucination.  Seems absolutely real.  It happens so often to me that I finally have lost my fear of it.  Once you loose your fear the hallucinations will become more benign.  Just the other day after I projected, I slipped into SP and I hallucinated my dog jumping on the bed, licking my hands and bumping me with his nose. Then I woke into the physical, the door closed, and no dog in the room.  You can actually change/control these with a thought.  I've just recently figured out how to do that.  Look up hypnogogia and hypnopomp.  Yours was hypnopomp because you were starting to wake up from sleep. Hypnogogia is the opposite--going from wake to sleep.  Hope this helps!

[raditus]

Thanks! What everyone said helped loads! 

I will definitely look to not flipping out the next time this happens.

[Szaxx]

Thoughts manifest.
You think, you get.
So you thought skulls were in your ears, ok, you think of it and so it be.
This does suggest strongly that you were not in the physical as you thought you were. You were entering the famous void. Anything you think simply is. It's so real you will be exactly as your thoughts take you.
Learn to recognise this state of mind. It's the best launchpad around, if you have any fears they will become your reality. You found this out the hard way.
Once you leave it and return to the physical, there would have been a subtle change. Did you notice it?
No, that's fear within you sending you away.
It's definately not a toy but it will let you toy with yourself.
You made it through the door my friend. The lights would still be off and mastering your fear will require a bit of attention to detail.
Overall a good move.
Best thing to do next time, ignore anything physical. See yourself as a point of conciousness. Be aware that you have no body at that moment and think of going somewhere you know well. Imagine you are nothing more than an orb of light. Think that once you are there your body will return if that suits you.
Drop the physical and drop the fear. Have something in mind to do or somewhere you want to go before you attempt. It may take a few tries but you'll get there.

[raditus]

There is certainly a feeling I get when in the void described by the last post. Last night, I tried going back to this place on purpose just to get a feeling on that feeling.

During my attempt, what appeared to be Jack showed up, trying to get me to take his hand and nearly begging me to go with him. I ignored him and he vanished, leaving me to believe he wasn't even a guide or another projector. I think he was a type of reflection of myself and overall fear. I couldn't tell if it was this way even even when I met him the first time or if my mind remembered Jack and used the recollection of him.

I didn't get to go fully in the void, but just enough so I can remember the feeling that comes before entering it. This will, for sure, help me so that I will not be caught unawares like I was the other night.

[soarin12]

Even though this void is a place where our thoughts/ fears manifest, I just want to comment that it is the most amazing place and the place (or state of consciousness) where I've had some of my best experiences.  I've heard music there that I've never heard before and could never have been created by me.--Long, complex, glorious works of art.  One time I had been listening to a fast paced piano piece for quite a while, and then suddenly I started to get that creepy feeling.  I don't know why--must have just entertained a thought of fear or vulnerability knowing I was not 'at home' in my body.  As the fear began to take over, the music actually changed. It began to sound sour and ugly.  Fear destroyed something so perfect.

[raditus]

Well I wasn't saying I would avoid the void, but now that I know about it, I can change things that I may cause to get freaky by accident, to something way less freaky. Or just ignore the freaky things and travel through.

[soarin12]

Well I wasn't saying I would avoid the void, but now that I know about it, I can change things that I may cause to get freaky by accident, to something way less freaky. Or just ignore the freaky things and travel through.

I wish I would have been able to wrap my brain around this the first time the negative stuff happened to me.  I actually did avoid the void for a long time because of it all.  Sometimes I still do out of habit.  Of course, I've never really been great in the courage department but I'm getting better.

[raditus]

Well I had moderate success last night. I got that creepy feeling and was less than half awake. From reading on here about the void, I knew the 'scary' stuff was going to happen. I could feel a hand grabbing the top of my shoulder fairly strongly. I started thinking with a certainty, "Crap, it's Jack."

I started being able to see behind me in wrap-around vision and 'saw' Jack. I 'Breathed', and 'forced' myself to calm down. With the creepy feeling now gone, I felt/saw jack make a face of distaste and pull his hand away from me. It was smooth sailing now that Jack was not around.

[Lionheart]

Well I had moderate success last night. I got that creepy feeling and was less than half awake. From reading on here about the void, I knew the 'scary' stuff was going to happen. I could feel a hand grabbing the top of my shoulder fairly strongly. I started thinking with a certainty, "Crap, it's Jack."

I guess this is why so many people succeed, while others fail. I tend to think, ok now "the awesome stuff" is going to happen.

Expect the "scary stuff" and that is what you shall see.

Change your mindset, change your reality! 

Do you read any of the helpful posts here or do you just key on the fear based ones? I have read many of your posts and they all seem to come to the conclusion that the NPR is a place of fear. Skulls and everything "freaky" seems to be a familiar tone with you.

Are you using the NPR to get in touch with your light or your dark side? To me it looks like your focus is on the darkness right now.

[soarin12]

That was great!  You were able to pull your self together right in the middle of it all which turned the whole thing around. Next time you'll probably be able to calm down sooner or better yet stay calm from the beginning.

[raditus]

Are you using the NPR to get in touch with your light or your dark side? To me it looks like your focus is on the darkness right now.

I admit, major stress factors have me focusing on the dark right now. Much stress; family matters, financial, health, etc. And I am talking stress events like a loved one nearly dying a few times. 

But I am really trying to find the balance.

[Szaxx]

When you attempt to get to the NP, leave EVERYTHING physical behind. It has no place and no purpose. A memory or two is ok, nothing else has any purpose to be involved with your experience. The vibes and any associated physical body feelings also get left behind.
It's ok if you are a beginner and learning the road to success. Once you become familiar the relaxation starts and the physical stops right there.
It's not too difficult to be relaxed and enter the NP in a few seconds by intent of wanting an experience. All the signposts served their purpose and are no longer required. You feel wide awake in the physical totally relaxed and a few seconds later you go far away from your body with all its problems including its existance. It's no longer involved with who YOU are as a concious entity roaming the wherever.
Phasing is useful as a method for a concious exit. Once you have done this a few hundred times even this becomes unnecessary.
It's a goal to go for and all that's required is dumping this reality and entering the many otherworldly, just as real 'apparent locations".
All your stresses of life are unimportant. You are leaving these behind in a similar way you might do if you won countless millions of whatever currency you like.
If you can let go of all this misery you have the correct mindset to get far away and then return with a mind of steel.
It really helps this way making you aware of life and capable of resolving anything that troubles you.
Worrying is not an option, resolution is.
Hope this helps you.

[raditus]

I just woke up not too long ago. I was trying to project to this place I really wanted to spend some time in. I've been in it before. Jack was already 'at my bedside' He ripped me the rest of the way from my body.

I spent the whole time with Jack attack me in ways I won't even say here. he yanked me from one room in my house, to the other. At the end of it all, jack was behind me and I hear him making a hissing sound like a snake and I feel him, teeth and all,  bite into my back!

Is Jack an astral parasite? Or just a regular dude taking out his issues on AP'ers?

[soarin12]

I wouldn't know what to call him other than a manifestation of your fears.  It's the same as a nightmare.  People get nightmares because of unresolved fears and stresses in their life.  They can have nightmares for years and then one night for the first time they become lucid in their nightmare.  They realize "Hey! It's just a dream!" and that thought gives them instant power over their attacker for the first time.  Now for some of us APers who have decided that a dream isn't "just a dream," this same principle can work against us if we let it.  In our lucid nightmares/scary APs (same thing in my opinion) instead of thinking "Hey, it's just a dream!"  We think "Oh no, this entity is out to get me!" and get you he does....then you wake up.  How we decide to think about a thing makes us either powerful or vulnerable.

BTW, I'm not trying diminish the reality of our experiences.  I'm only commenting on the power of our thoughts.

Seems like you need to find a way to resolve fears and stresses before attempting AP.  Even if you think you feel fine, a lot of things could still be eating away at you on a subconscious level.  How about prayer,  meditation on Divine love, and affirming to yourself that you are loved and are being guided to fulfill a special purpose.  These are things that have helped me a lot.  Good luck with your next one!

[raditus]

yeah, thanks. And I really meant that. Maybe it is worry about my loved one that causes the Jack crap. I knew that even though I don't freak out really or worry when going through the day, my subconscious always knows.

BTW, could physical pain cause weird/scary travels? because I pulled something in my back earlier that morning. Nothing real bad, but just a tiny pain that only instantly flares up when I eat or drink anything. Only reason that I ask is because that thing with Jack getting that volatile and violent didn't start until the day I got the little pain.  

Edit: So I went back to sleep shortly after making this post. I have gotten over my fear of Jack showing up. What happened next was cool with me; no fear involved. Someone had jammed there hands into my physical back, as I was laying on my stomach. I frequently sleep like this. I was warm all over, vibrating. I wanted to project, but had problems exiting. Whoever it was was there to try to help me. They were trying to pull me out, but I couldn't come out. It wasn't that I was scared, I knew they were there to help me exit.

"Push back." I hear the guy say. I think it was Walt this time. The guide from before. 

i tried to push back while he pulled, but even that failed. Soon after, the event ended and I failed projecting, falling into sleep not too long after.