Who actually has brought objects back?

[NickisDank]

In my book that I'm reading at the moment Astral Projection And The Nature Of Reality, he touches on the subject about bringing things back from the astral to the physical. He doesnt have a story himself, but gives an example of what someone can do, example: create a rose and once you've created it, tell yourself that you WILL bring it back. Pretty much intent to, so does anyone have anything to share?

[Killa Rican]

I wrote a thread about it here :

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/ever_tried_to_take_a_metaphysical_object_back_to_the_physical-t32483.0.html;msg266920#msg266920

My fav book on AP. John Mag is awesome. ^_^

[Summerlander]

Here's how you can bring things back to the physical...you CAN'T!

You may see potentials in the metaphysical which are ideas for our waking reality. You may take an "idea" you've seen there and attempt to build it here in the physical world. It would be exactly like the idea though (just as the astral replica of your bedroom when you separate isn't exactly the same).

[Astral316]

An object with a different "frequency" from the physical won't materialize in the physical.

[Stookie]

We'd all go get the key to the safe

[Pauli2]

Safes only have combinations. Reading peoples brains is enough.

[Stookie]

Fine. Then we'll bring back dynamite and blow up the safe.

[NoY]

"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

:NoY:

[daytona955]

lol! 

[Lexy]

in the book that I am reading it says you can bring back an entity. 

[Killa Rican]

in the book that I am reading it says you can bring back an entity. 

Not physically I hope lol.

[Summerlander]

Is it a book about tulpa? Maybe there are superbeings in the universe evolved enough to materialise things out of thin air...who knows! But not humans that astral project! No humans in general!

[NickisDank]

Lol i just dont get it, and then he goes on talking about how you can do it because the theory how reality could just be an astral world, example used : jesus walking on water.

[Summerlander]

jesus walking on water.

Very poor example!

[NickisDank]

thats what i was thinking, but really how the bonk did he do it  . is this something ill have to wonder for the rest of my life? lol

[Goggles Pizano]

 Subject reminds me of a strange dream about astral to physical manifestation I once had. There was an astral company called "The Midnight Express" that sent objects from the astral to physical dimensions, but in order to do this, an individual had to find the company first, located in an astral dimension. Finding TME meant that you had to be extremely super-lucid in order to rememer just how you got to TME, for the purpose of retracing your specific journey back to the physical. You had to remeber specific numbers & phrases like "passwords" as you journey there & back.


   

[Simo]

"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

:NoY:

Killing floor mate :D:D

[Simo]

Lol i just dont get it, and then he goes on talking about how you can do it because the theory how reality could just be an astral world, example used : jesus walking on water.

Another example Michael Jackson moonwalking (joke)

[NickisDank]

But for real is there any explanation. You guys make it sound so easy to figure things out on this forums by just "personal experience", i dont understand what to do lol go OB and just demand to see something?

Ive never been more confused in my life after being on this site for almost a year, not in a bad way at all but i just need answers!

[kurtykurt42]

But for real is there any explanation. You guys make it sound so easy to figure things out on this forums by just "personal experience", i dont understand what to do lol go OB and just demand to see something?

Ive never been more confused in my life after being on this site for almost a year, not in a bad way at all but i just need answers!

Well, NickisDank... That's because this topic of "astral projection" is not taught in school's, so it's up to us to find out how it works on are own. I've had my fair share of personal experiences but I could care less about them because I just want to know the physics behind AP. I'm done playing with guides and feeling energy sensations, I want to know the facts about this stuff. Unfortunately, this forum hasn't helped me very much because most of the people here are new to AP and give up after reading all the weird butt posts in this forum.

[Stillwater]

Well, NickisDank... That's because this topic of "astral projection" is not taught in school's, so it's up to us to find out how it works on are own. I've had my fair share of personal experiences but I could care less about them because I just want to know the physics behind AP. I'm done playing with guides and feeling energy sensations, I want to know the facts about this stuff.

Does anyone really know? It is all theory and conjecture... some like Muldoon, Charles Tart, Robert Monroe and Thomas Campbell carried out research in a scientific fashion, but legitimate research is so thinly spread, and pseudo-religious rambling is so thick, it is pretty damn hard to sort things out for yourself. Compound this with the fact you can't take anything that happens in a projection at face value unless you are able to verify it with some physical situation, and you have a pretty profound data-logging issue.

The issue is not hopeless, but until the pracititioners of mainstream science stop playing follow the leader in the materialist scientism parade, this will forever be a fringe subject of research, and therefore unfunded. I guess that partially makes it exciting as well; there is great undiscovered country, and we are doing things very few would even recognize as possible.

thats what i was thinking, but really how the bonk did he do it  . is this something ill have to wonder for the rest of my life? lol

Well... considering the guys who said they saw him do it all said different things about it, and only wrote down their versions of it decades after they said it happened... and were some random dudes in a desert 2000 years back, lol... how can you be sure he really did at all? The standard of proof in the New Testament is so lax really anything could have happned, lol.

I am not by any means saying the Bible is fake, but suppose I told you the following story:

"Okay, so we were all in the van that night out 40 miles north of Phoenix, Davy and I were in the front seat, and Ray was in the back. Ray says he saw something different than the other two of us, but then he had taken some peyote a day back, so we weren't sure what was up with him anyhow. First thing was, I was rubbing the sweat out of my eyes, and heard the rustling as Davy was gunning the engine; I looked out and saw some plastic caught on the van's side mirror, and then I saw him out about 300 yards out west, running before the setting sun. Was a pale white horse, and when he turned this one way, that is when I saw the horn. Didn't catch it at first, but he had to be a unicorn. Davy even saw him too, after I pointed it out, didn't know what to make of it, but he had to keep his eyes on the rode. Ray saw it too, and told us he was the advance scout of the Pleidiean guard. Ray was definitely burned out bad, but I know what I saw, and Davy saw it a split second too."

Now nothing about that story sounds at all credible. There are so many details that cast doubt, and we don't sound like very good witnesses to boot; the same also goes for the gospel writers- they were a motley crew at best, and when you look at some of hte details, and the context of the writings themselves, and the lack of correlation between the various accounts, I think you can agree that while the Bible may be rich in philosophical wisdom, it is dangerous to take any account presented in it at literal value.