Be careful.

[Hoo2]

 

Hi all, this is HooVooLoo.  It has been some years since I last logged onto AP. 

I just wanted to put out a word of caution regarding this API project.

When I first joined the site, I had been posting a diary of my dreams.  Soon thereafter, I had come up with an idea for people to try to start attempting to meet on an island of sorts, as they were dreaming.  In my mind, and as I had posted it, I had asked folks to visualize simply an island like the ones you see in the comics pages...A lone island with one or two palm trees, and just sand all around.

Shortly thereafter, I lost touch with the AP forums.  In the meanwhile, my "experiment" took on a life of it's own.  I found myself in a common place, but it was not an island...It was, and still is, a "mall" of sorts, with shops, parking areas, a local university/school a few blocks from the shopping area, an airport, etc.  I have never seen an area like this in my waking state.

Since that first day (or night, as it were), I have been unintentionally visiting this "island" of sorts at least 3 times per week.  But this "experiment" has gone awry.  I keep meeting the same people, encountering the same "psychological gestalts", going through the same experiences in my altered state no matter how I try to "lay me down".

There is a part of me that keeps trying to intimate that it is a variation of Los Angeles, which is odd.  I have never been there in "real life".  But the streets, the shops, the elevators, the people, they are all so REAL!.  I KNOW I am there, but in or on a different "level of focus."

While it is exciting to experience this island of sorts, I must admit a fear that has developed after experiencing this particular reality over and over again...I cannot "turn it off".  I cannot control when or how I find myself there.  And there are characters there, in this mall/city, that I have not invited.  Some of these characters are very bad folks.  I mean, BAD.  I will not go as far as saying that they are "evil entities" trying some sort of skullduggery with my mind and spirit, for they are not.  I will say, however, that they are true, real energies/personalities/spirits/what-have-you, that are now constantly in my altered state of existence.  I can neither "make them go away" nor control them in any manner.  They are just always there, participating in my altered state.  I have actually gone to battle with a few of them in some sort of mental or spiritual sense, yet the outcome could not possibly be explained in physical terms.

I am not sure if Adrian et al. were the ones to start the API experiment afresh, or if my old idea was possibly an impetus for it.  The bottom line that I wish to make quite clear to everyone who reads this is... Please make darn sure that you go into any mental experiment like this with a cavalcade of strength and a steely resolve.  Please do not end up like me and get stuck in a side-reality freak-show of bad entities that you cannot escape from.  If you take some spiritual armor with you, you won't get hurt. 

I am now slowly reinforcing my own particular armor needed for this "spiritual war" that I am engaged in, and am fairing better each day (night).  But believe me when I say...if you get stuck in any part of a spiritual war off-guard, such as what may happen if you meet the wrong sort on the API, you won't have a happy time of it.

Please, think about this as you attempt to project to your tropical pyramid.

Hoo

[Xanth]

In my opinion, you're stuck in the Astral... the Astral Pulse Island is a location, I believe to be in Focus 3 oC (Focus 27 of the Monroe Model).
As such, it's rather distinctive in its creation.

The "evil entities" you speak about scream to me "Focus 2 oC".  This is the area of your subconscious... also known to most people as the "Astral Planes".

If you wish to rid yourself of this 'area' and these 'people' you feel that you're getting stuck at... all you need to do is better control your thoughts and emotions.
Those are what are fueling your surroundings.  Close off your thoughts and emotions to your surroundings by remaining neutral to what you see and it'll all slowly begin to fade away. 

Remember, this is a reality where your THOUGHTS = Direct Action.
This means that you'll only need that armor of yours if you really believe you do.
Me, I don't need armor or any other metaphysical protections...

So, as I said, just remain in control of your thoughts and emotions at all times and you should have no trouble escaping this self created area of yours.

~Ryan

[Bacterio]

I think it is a just a recurrent dream. I am not an expert, but I can recommend you a book about working with dreams. It is "Creative Dreaming" by Patricia Garfield. If you buy it second hand buy the 1995 edition which is revised.  Dreams are a way of our subconscious mind to comunicate and they can be a powerfull tool for self development. I am not working with dreams now, but if had a recurrent dream I would do it as a priority...maybe you are loosing an important message thinking you have "troubles in the astral". There are no troubles in astral...there are troubles with ourselves.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Hoo2

Do you believe that any (or all) of those experiences that you had in 'the mall' were OBEs?
I believe that is very likely the case. Xanth is most probably correct in stating that the mall is a focus 27 location. A focus 27 location is an astral/ethereal realm, a Belief System Territory (BST) of sorts that is a meeting ground or temporary travel stop (to coin a phrase) for astral travellers.

As for the negative beings that you have encountered there I will mention that in the (few) obe accounts of people travelling to Astral Pulse Island there have as yet fortunately been no reports of hostile or negative encounters.

Regards 
Grey

[Naykid]

Hallo Hoo2

Do you believe that any (or all) of those experiences that you had in 'the mall' were OBEs?
I believe that is very likely the case. Xanth is most probably correct in stating that the mall is a focus 27 location. A focus 27 location is an astral/ethereal realm, a Belief System Territory (BST) of sorts that is a meeting ground or temporary travel stop (to coin a phrase) for astral travellers.

As for the negative beings that you have encountered there I will mention that in the (few) obe accounts of people travelling to Astral Pulse Island there have as yet fortunately been no reports of hostile or negative encounters.

Regards  
Grey

I third that.  

I used to find myself at malls on a regular basis, years ago.  They always had more negative things going on than positive... I wonder why?  

I've never been able to find API. but I doubt highly that it has negativity attached to it... in fact, I'd be hard pressed to remember, in the years I was on Astral Pulse, if it was ever brought up at all.  

Don't go sending negative vibes to the Island!!  


P.S.  HEY GREY!!   

[Xanth]

temporary travel stop

TTS!  I like that. 

~Ryan

[Hoo2]

To answer a few of the questions/concerns above...

Again I must reiterate that I do not consider any spiritual energies as being "evil", in the commonly-understood sense of the term that "lay-people" may have about it.  I mean they are bad, and only in the idea that they are malevolent energies with regard to harmony and peace.  They are, in a word, "wilders".  Not meaning to cause a particular harm, but rather just harmful to the finer sensitivities of those who do not desire or condone conflict.

I am far behind the curve when it comes to the current vernacular regarding levels of awareness in other-than-waking states of consciousness, and thusly I am in the dark when it comes to discussions of "focus levels".  On the other hand, I do not need to know the meaning behind those terms when I can tell you that what I experience is NOT simply a recurring dream or an aspect of a subconsciousness, as someone above postulated.  And this genre of experience is not just a mall, but an entire cityscape with much more than just the "mall".  Basically, the mall is usually where I find myself in the beginning of the experience, before branching off and exploring other parts of this place.  It is not the entire experience, but the main constant.

I have come to learn through my subjective experiences that dreams and dreaming, at least for me, are far removed from being "symbolic" or allegorical or metaphoric.  They ARE true journeys outside of my sleeping husk of a body, if you will.  Experiences that can be and have been MORE vivid and "real" than what I experience in this waking state.  Ergo, I am not experiencing a "recurring dream", but am constantly going back to this same place many times per month, and sometimes there are slight variations to the environment as compared to the previous experience.  Some might call them OBE's, some others may call it AP, and yet some others may say a dream where an AP is dreamt, kind of like a dream where the dreamer dreams that he is dreaming and during that dreamer's dream he dreams that he is projecting.

There are so many points I wish to make on this one single aspect of this subject alone, but I have neither the time nor the mental dexterity to attempt that at this moment. 

I just wanted to clarify a few things as I read those responses above.

One other point I wish to reiterate here is that I never suggested that the API was a negative place, and I do not feel that speaking of this subject would "send negative vibrations" to the Island.  In my original post I was only stating that the journey itself could lead folks astray and into territories with which they may not be prepared or expect, as what happened to me.  Although, now that I see that there is a collective effort to reach an island with a particular geography and purpose, I will try to reach it!  Would be fun to actually succeed at something like this without falling off the jogger's path, as it were.

That's it for now. 

Hoo.   

[PattiZacharias0502]

Thanks for the useful info.I needed that.Hope to see more updates from you all.

[Pauli2]

Xanth is most probably correct in stating that the mall is a focus 27 location. A focus 27 location is an astral/ethereal realm, a Belief System Territory (BST) of sorts that is a meeting ground or temporary travel stop (to coin a phrase) for astral travellers.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

W R O N G.

Wrong.

Focus 27 is _not_ a BST.

In my opinion, this wrong assumption is one of the most common faults with Frank's system of Focuses oC, which garbles up what's what, by oversimplifying the Monroe Focus Levels.

[Pauli2]

The "evil entities" you speak about scream to me "Focus 2 oC".  This is the area of your subconscious... also known to most people as the "Astral Planes".

If you wish to rid yourself of this 'area' and these 'people' you feel that you're getting stuck at... all you need to do is better control your thoughts and emotions.

I disagree on the above assumption about the "evil entities" originating from "Focus 2 oC" (and what Focus? Focus 12, Focus 15? Please.).

No, I think these entities seem too persistent, they even move on in their own manner, so I think of an alternative explanation. The area could be Focus 24 or Focus 25, as the malls etc, are so crowded and form some common consensus region (even if not being of religious character).

The alternative, that the malls etc, could be a dream creation of the APer, would put the whole area in Focus 22, which I actually doubt as the only one capable of creating and maintaining such a large system would be a Master of Focus 22. The persistence of this mall area, talks against the idea that this region is a temporary Focus 22. What talks in favor of the idea, is the "dragon slaying" part (my emphasis):

...a "mall" of sorts, with shops, parking areas, a local university/school a few blocks from the shopping area, an airport, etc. . . .

And there are characters there, in this mall/city, that I have not invited.  Some of these characters are very bad folks.  I mean, BAD. . . .

I have actually gone to battle with a few of them in some sort of mental or spiritual sense, yet the outcome could not possibly be explained in physical terms.

Now the question is, is there any change in the number of the bad people? Does anyone emerge after some time and then stay in this mall area? does it seem that there is a huge number of people already in this region? If the answer is yes to these questions I would say this region has the characteristics of lower or mid BST.

A slow fluctuation of the number of people in the mall area, would indicate that there is an in-flow of discarnates, and probably an out-flow of discarnates either going back to Earth or moving up to higher Focus Levels like F 27.

[Xanth]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

W R O N G.

Wrong.

Focus 27 is _not_ a BST.

In my opinion, this wrong assumption is one of the most common faults with Frank's system of Focuses oC, which garbles up what's what, by oversimplifying the Monroe Focus Levels.

You're definitely correct.  It's not.
And now that I read it, Greytraveller kind of misread what I said as well.

I still FULLY believe what this gentleman is experiencing is a Focus 2 oC environment... and if you absolutely MUST get technical Pauli, Monroe Focus 22.  NOT a BST, NOT a F27.

HOWEVER... in the end, it doesn't really matter.  What matters is the experience.

And one more however, after re-reading the original post... this dude really does have some personal issues he needs to straighten out first.  Wow... spiritual war?  Are you kidding me?  I must have glanced over that the first time.  >_<

[CFTraveler]

Hi Hoo2.
Because I think the talk of focus levels has derailed the original purpose of your post, I want to address it differently.
It is my opinion that the mall you are talking about is a common place in the astral, a public place where projectors travel to on the way to 'somewhere else'.  It is a collective place, but it is also a place that can be affected by the subconscious, so you can actually see 'real' entities (i.e. other projectors) and also deal with your own subconscious symbols.
For example, I have found myself in this mall, going up layers and layers of floors 'up'- looking back the symbolism suggests that I was trying to break barriers (which were difficult) to get myself where I was going, instead of this transitional place.  It took work to get out of there- not work in the experience, but later work in my life, so that the next time I projected I didn't end up 'there' again.
It is possible that some of the entities encountered were indeed messages from your 'inner senses/helpers' letting you know symbolically what you had to do to get out of there and go on to API; I don't know- but I think it would be a good idea to look at the possible symbolic content of the recurring part of your experience.
I hope this helped in some way.
Cheers,
CF.

[Greytraveller]

Seasons Greetings 

Pauli2, you wrote

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

W R O N G.

Wrong.

Focus 27 is _not_ a BST.

In my opinion, this wrong assumption is one of the most common faults with Frank's system of Focuses oC, which garbles up what's what, by oversimplifying the Monroe Focus Levels.

and Xanth, you agree with Pauli2.

Can either of you elaborate a bit on this, please, I'm confused.

CFTraveler, you wrote

It is my opinion that the mall you are talking about is a common place in the astral, a public place where projectors travel to on the way to 'somewhere else'. It is a collective place, but it is also a place that can be affected by the subconscious, so you can actually see 'real' entities (i.e. other projectors) and also deal with your own subconscious symbols.

I added the bold in your quote to Highlight why I believe the mall (or a mall as there may be many) Is indeed a belief system territory. I too have been to a mall area (probably a different one the Hoo2 has been to). Anyways the mall that I visited OOB seemed very much a meeting place or again as CFT put it

a public place where projectors travel to on the way to 'somewhere else'

Regards 
Grey

[Pauli2]

Ok, simple & incomplete explanation of Monroe's Focus Levels, in my opinion/my view:

Focus 22 - Here is insane people, people on drugs, people who dream, and a few discarnates that have decided that death is like a dream.
Focus 23 - People that don't know they are dead or only vaguely know it. People are discarnate and stuck & alone in this Focus Level.

BST = Belief System Territories. Focus 24, Focus 25 and Focus 26. People here are in groups with common consensus beliefs. The belief don't need to be religious.

Focus 24 - Hard Belief Systems, with low or very little PUL. The Hollow Heavens are hard and strongly based on rules almost without Love. The Hells are terrible. Religious beliefs don't need to be present, like deep in the dirt of a Town With Homeless Alcoholics.
Focus 25 - Regular Belief Systems, like Christianity, Hindi, Islam and Judaism. There are more PUL here than in Focus 24. All major Beliefs are here.
Focus 26 - Minor Belief Systems, like people living in ecological societies or where they have a lot of PUL. Also some people who have had their own (incomplete) astral experiences, while alive, may live here. The Party People Place is situated here. One of the Town of Thieves is here too.

Focus 27 - A place to create your own environment before moving further on, to your I-There or to re-incarnate. In F 27 no-one is allowed to enforce their belief on anyone else. This is probably one of the places of ELS with the highest level of PUL. Your are not allowed to alter anything that someone else has created without allowance from that person. F 27 is a vast place created for thousands of years ago by humans.

There may not always be a strict line between various Focus Levels, but from Focus 23 and up, the amount of PUL increases.

[Xanth]

Seasons Greetings 

Pauli2, you wrote
and Xanth, you agree with Pauli2.

Can either of you elaborate a bit on this, please, I'm confused.

I'll try to elaborate without the I-There stuff.  LOL
Yeah, TECHNICALLY, Focus 27 is one step beyond the BST, which are Focus 24 - 26, inclusive.
Focus 27 is kind of the "transition area" where a person fresh out of the physical or one who has realized that their chosen belief system is bunk will go to relax and re-learn what it means to live non-physically.

[Pauli2]

Moen has also put forward an alternative explanation of the BST levels, as they are state of minds too, which in the astral can map to areas over a populated region.

Take one Hell for example; the Town of Mental Sadists.

In the city core the worst mental sadists live, they torture each other with embarrassing situations and get joy from it when they torture others. The city core is in Focus 24.

In the suburbs and surroundings of the Town are the less sadistic persons. The suburb lays in Focus 25.

The countryside is less heavily populated and less prone to mental sadistic encounters. The countryside is in Focus 26.


Some people might even bond in pair relations in Focus 24, the city core. The individuals in the pair relation will then experiences some PUL to each other and decide by themselves to move to the outside of the Town of Mental Sadists, they have now also moved to Focus 25 and have come closer to The Park.

Eventually a guide can do a retrieval (with an incarnated APer) and pick the sadistic couple up and move them to Focus 27.

[AlanRK]

Mmm, I don't end up in malls much, but I personally do not think you are experiencing some dream/hallucination/subconscious creation or whatever. I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced. Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations? You do realize that in attempting to catagorize something super-dimensional from the physical, you are limiting and closing off potentials? IMO leave the higher dimensional location planning to people who live in the astral or those who are experienced enough, over-intellectualizing it like this serves no purpose except to confuse, mostly yourself. If it's really that important to you then go into the astral and ask a knowledgable spirit about how the astral is organized. Hearing(feeling) directly from a local inhabitant is immensely superior to forming all of these theories and conclusions third-hand.

[CFTraveler]

I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced.

Well, I for one have been projecting ever since I was around ten (earlier, really) and I'm 53.

Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations?

That has to do with percipient's personalities.  Intellectuals will intellectualize, emotional people will feel more, and doers will do.

[Naykid]

I'm an emotional doer. 

[AlanRK]

I'm a tragic intellectual too, but I'm smart enough to see the intense danger in too much theory, abstractness, and lack of experience.

[MilesB]

My opinion might not mean much, but whenever I feel scared about something I try to fill myself up with love. I try to imagine love inside me and all around me. This usually helps eat up any evil/fear I feel around me but not always because I will allow the fear to be stronger sometimes. It might work, idk maybe consider it next time you feel like you're in the presence of negative energy. Also, just in general, it seems that thinking about light and love helps to overcome and consume negative energies.

This may seem stupid or difficult to implement, but it really does work if you can just allow yourself to be filled up with love.

[Bedeekin]

Mmm, I don't end up in malls much, but I personally do not think you are experiencing some dream/hallucination/subconscious creation or whatever. I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced. Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations? You do realize that in attempting to catagorize something super-dimensional from the physical, you are limiting and closing off potentials? IMO leave the higher dimensional location planning to people who live in the astral or those who are experienced enough, over-intellectualizing it like this serves no purpose except to confuse, mostly yourself. If it's really that important to you then go into the astral and ask a knowledgable spirit about how the astral is organized. Hearing(feeling) directly from a local inhabitant is immensely superior to forming all of these theories and conclusions third-hand.

I'll second that.

[Summerlander]

I went in the astral once and asked an old man if he knew where we were...he told me "I don't know"...then I spoke to a woman wearing a rather large hat, like Molly from the Titanic...the woman seemed to speak to me in Polish. Next I was in a strange house and I met harlequin-like beings. They seemed a bit cartoon-like, exaggerated but full of life...and pale skinned. It never occurred to me to speak to them and they never spoke either. I hugged one of them while the other smirked at me and stared at me ominously...then I woke up.

I've never really had any answers from any of the beings I've met...or no answers that I really understood. Most of them seemed confused, some patronising...others indifferent to me...the most mysterious I've met was a hooded being who confused me even more.

Places have been, dark voids, forests, fairytale land, strange cities, strange rooms, nurseries, construction sites, bedroom/house simulations, space (but weird space), galleries and I think that is it...I can't recall any more...oh yeah...once a weird bubble inside a mirror where I rescued a little girl. That was strange.

No answers. No bonking answers...just experience. That's all there is for me.

[Pauli2]

No answers. No bonking answers...

What's your questions?

[Summerlander]

These are different instances:

Who are you?

answer: *screeching and whistling then shown images of nurseries and children*

Where am I?

answer: I don't know

another instance...

answer: We are only five miles from where you are physically...()

What??

answer: *just laughed at me*

Other times the beings I meet seem dumber than me or just stare at me.

And even if I got some sort of answer about the true nature of these experiences, I'd still wouldn't know anything because for all I know, my unconscious might have concocted it for my peace of mind.