If you dont know how to A.T heres a site.

[Jeff_Mash]

The only thing I disagreed with on that page (I only skimmed it) is this paragraph:

Have someone in the room with you in case you need a lifeline.  A lifeline is someone you trust and who will sit quietly with you watching for signs that you may need help coming back, or who can gently awaken you to a normal state if you are panicking.

To me, it's statements like that which scare people into thinking that you may "never come back."  In all of my experiences, I have never had anything come against me which, in retrospect, made me come back saying, "Man, I wish I would have had someone near my physical body during that one!"

Of cours, I'm biased in my position, because like I said, I have never had a reason to be scared or "need a lifeline."

[ssjoku]

theres nothing to be a fread of when your a.t

[Nagual]

While I usually have no problem coming back (it's even too fast/early); there are a few times when I had to "fight" like hell to wakeup...  But obviously, I'm still back. []  So, I don't know...  What do you think about coma?  Could it be people lost in the astral, unable to come back...?

[V00D00]

hm... not coming back? interesting idea... is it possible to somehow "manifest" in our physical world? if it is i have no fears of not coming back... even if it's not possible, someone will eventually find me and wake me somehow...[^]

[Syke]

i dont think that its there to scare people, more to comfort those who are already scared.
There are many people who are unable to enter the astral due to fear of not returning, and instead of giving the whole "dont worry you will return" speach, this person has just suggested this so they know they have a sure way of returning.

but those who are not scared wouldnt, or shouldnt be phased by this.

just my thoughts
-Syke

[T_Kman0610]

quote:Originally posted by ssjoku

theres nothing to be a fread of when your a.t

ssjoku, dont you mean A.P? if not than what is A.T

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by T_Kman0610
ssjoku, dont you mean A.P? if not than what is A.T

Astral Travel?

[m0d0]

Maaaan!

I couldnt read that article to the end. Maybe it's jus lazy old me, but the font drove my eyes crackers!

[8D] I think i'm gonna cut and paste into word, right after i get rid of this HEADACHE! LOL

[)]

[mattrox]

yea that is a hard to read font

[stephen~]

quote:Originally posted by Syke

i dont think that its there to scare people, more to comfort those who are already scared.
There are many people who are unable to enter the astral due to fear of not returning, and instead of giving the whole "dont worry you will return" speach, this person has just suggested this so they know they have a sure way of returning.

but those who are not scared wouldnt, or shouldnt be phased by this.

just my thoughts
-Syke

I agree with what Jeff said. Furthermore, in my experience the physical body shows no sign whatsoever of distress, it is paralysed after all, so how is this person supposed to help?

To relate an experience of mine years ago. I was sitting in chair one afternoon, with me was a friend sitting across from me reading. I fell asleep, the vibes started and I projected out of the house into the garden.

I was scared, as this was the first completely conscious projection I had had. I knew nothing about AP at the time, but I had been having months of vibes. When I returned to my body, I was still quite shaken by the experience and the vibrations were still strong, so I tried to force myself awake.

I was struggling, but I managed to open my eyes, and saw my friend, still sitting reading. So I called to her. I could hardly speak, it was like I had lockjaw or something. I was looking right at her making what I thought was a lot of noise. I was thinking to myself, why doesn't she help me? Can't she hear me?

When I woke up properly I spoke to her about it. Although I was convinced at the time that I was moving about, making a noise she heard and saw nothing, and she was only about 6 feet away. So personally I doubt the presence of another person, even in broad daylight, would be of any help. Like Jeff said, it's just scare-mongering really.

[Adkha]

He says that deja vu is something you dreamt. So a dream that predicted a little thing about the future. And that if you always write it down you will remeber you dreamt the deja vu you are having. But if somebody goes about predicting the future, I always get the following thought....U can make a time-paradox if you know the future...
If i suddenly realise I dreamt a certain situation..I can change it...by example kill the person in front of me instead of saying how great he is.
But my dream was different! so how can I have dreamt the futre???

[Life_afterdeath]

I read this thing, and the thing that frustrates me the most is the fact that I have trouble relaxing, and watching the little " movie " in my head.  When I lay down, this is usually what happens.

1.I see black.  I have a little trouble keeping my eyes from moving but it's okay.  I feel relaxed, and I begin to notice my limbs less and less.

2.As I think I'm beginning to near the "hypnogogic" state ( where dumb thoughts and playful imagry hits ), little itches happen hear and there on my face, to where I have to move my hand out of total relaxation and scratch the itch.

3.If I am in the hypnogogic state, I lay there, and if I concentrate too much on trying to have an OBE, I never fall asleep.  If I care to less about having an OBE, zzzzzzzz....whwhwwahat!?  I fall asleep!

4.I wake up the next morning, realizing I never reached the vibrational state, and I say "son of a gun, maybe I'll get em' tomorrow, eh tiger?" even though it's just me in the room.

I've been trying forever, while just falling asleep simply every single night I try.
Is it possible I'm just too tired?  Could my etheric body be low on fuel?  Do I need to stop by the local BP station and fill er' up?
I've had OBE's before, but I always black out.  Sometimes I enter my body again but most of the time I black out and lose awareness of where I am.  Then I wake up the next morning, thinking " at least I made it there...but why couldn't I have stayed in it? "

I've only been trying to OBE within this month, and I've done it a number of 3 times.  It came naturally to me one night, and I've been doing trying it ever since, but I've only been successful 3 out of 20 times.

hardy har ladies and gents.  What the crap am I doing wrong?

[lateralus897]

About the coma thing, a band called The Mars Volta did a concept album on a guy who was in a coma and went on adventures to different planets and stuff. The lyrics can be difficult to understand, but they're just plain awesome. The album is called "De-loused in the comatorium." Lyrics here: http://www.lyricstime.com/artist/mars-volta/

As a side note- amazing band, original sound, great songwriting, and tons of energy.

[twstedrage]

interesting site, thanks ssjoku. It's something I definately need to start doing. My whole life is deja vu, but I never write down my dreams to remember them and then forget them till it occurs again and then the deja vu happens. Then of course move onto OBE experiances.

Robert

[neowert]

Thanks.  I never even thought about not coming back before .

[ssjoku]

http://seekers.100megs6.com/Learning%20to%20Astral%20Travel.htm