Iv just read something about how drinking apple juice before bed will make you have more vivid dreams. I will try this when I have some apple juice handy.
Any other common house hold items that you know of giving more vivid dreams?
Blue Cheese.
Really? I think ill stick with apple juice. Not really a fan of cheese aha. I'm going to try this apple juice thing tonight.
I drink apple juice some days but rarely at night. I'll give this a go.
The amount of NP interaction some days exceeds that at night by far. It could be related to those apple juice days.
Interesting find and worth trying.
What happens here is that someone will do "something" before bed, and they'll have an experience... then for some stupid reason they'll try to make the connection between that "something" and the experience happening.
There's no connection beyond the one you *WANT* to see.
It takes one idea to change things.
Im open minded and will give this a shot. It's like everything that gets hypothesized, one day it will be a correct assumption.
If apples do it then yay.
Question is, who has drank apple juice at bedtime?
It may be connected.
Apple
Pineapple
Pineal
There you go... :-D
Yea Xanth, like they have done studies about this but I guess most of the subjects are thinking about remembering/having vivid dreams therefore such things are happening, but there are those subjects who have trouble remembering thier dreams (less connected to "self") are the off perecentage, creating statistics that may or may not be true.
It's just like if everyone put enough emphasis on the "fact" that eating corn will cause vivid dreams that you will get vivid dreams...but who knows... Maybe it's the apple juice aha
Quote from: Xanth on September 01, 2013, 22:18:30
What happens here is that someone will do "something" before bed, and they'll have an experience... then for some stupid reason they'll try to make the connection between that "something" and the experience happening.
There's no connection beyond the one you *WANT* to see.
It's not necessarily "stupid" if you take on a quasi-scientific approach and do it on a regular basis and then compare to the times when you NOT take it. If there is 10 times of apple juice before attempts and it is a e.g. 8-9 success rate and it is not that high when you don't take it, you might have a personal reason to believe it works (for you). There is still the placebo argument though, but a "placebo" is sth we don't actually know what it is and how it works. Any "affirmation" or excercise or any other prep you do before you want to project is maybe a "placebo" too. We don't know, so I would not be so judgemental about it and make the general 'it's stupid' call. It is well known that certain "supplements" produce vivid or even lucid dreams or however you want to call it. So why not blue cheese or apple juice (however it's done, which we don't know).
It's actually interesting how this discussion was done here many years ago already. There is a lot to find on cheese ingestion on teh boards it seems.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/cheese_and_warm_milk-t9999.0.html;msg125092;topicseen#msg125092
Cheese sits heavy in your stomach. I tried this eons ago, popular belief yada yada...
It made less of an impact as found from the initial comment.
It may be the placebo effect, the affirmations work wonders for some. I never had any success with them at all. Again I believed the idea silly and possibly negated any benefit. Belief coming into play. Since being on this site and learning our invisible helpers are always present the mindset of openness has been adopted.
This removes the ego driven damnation that abounds.
Those that give up then have an experience have stopped this self doubt. In doing so the experience naturally occurred.
Intent is working in the positive direction like a placebo. It's belief of functioning is enough to allow it to work. With this mindset you are setting up the correct parameters then actually waiting patiently for the natural event to take place. Having no doubts or forced expectations, things progress naturally in an unhindered way.
Of course, if it works, it was the 'placebo' or perhaps apples, that gets the appraisal of being the necessity.
In the chance that your stomach produces some enzymes that assist in our art its still worth the experiment.
I'm still convinced the correct amount of sleep has the largest of all effects on success. This is from years of previous experimentation to allow almost daily experiences at a particular time of day to occur successfully.
I like apples so will give it a few nights of experimentation.
If you're not in it, you can't win it. :wink:
Here is a quote from an article, and as I suspected it has to do with certain elements from the apples that affect the brain.
"Animal research from the University of Massachusetts Lowell (UML) indicates that apple juice consumption may actually increase the production in the brain of the essential neurotransmitter acetylcholine, resulting in improved memory. Neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine are chemicals released."
So, we all know that any sort of astral activities take place in the so called astral world, which is composed of matter that has higher frequency than the elements that compose our world, therefore we distinguish the two realms by calling them physical and non physical. Our spirits are composed of higher frequency elements therefore they exist as we speak in many other levels, but part of it is oriented in the physical world through a vehicle that we call the physical body. Although the APs, dreams, etc. take place in the non physical realm, we still need our thoughts transmitter (the brain) to translate that information. Certain chemicals do affect the brain's ability to function better which may result in better dream recall. As you can see from the above article, apples consumption may boost memories recall, and so it makes sense that your brain will be capable of transmitting more information. Because the truth is that we experience the astral at all time, only when our body shuts down, then we are able to perceive it through dreams. And then it is the brain which transmits that information in a form of memories. So, it is not a matter of producing vivid dreams, but rather translating more information from your dreams so that you perceive them as vivid.
I don't know if the study showed true results, they probably would have received more accurate results if designed the study as blinded, placebo controlled. I work in the clinical research field and I am very familiar with the placebo effect. Especially with suggestions, absolutely that may have been the reason why the participants had experienced more vivid dreams, but lets not exclude the possibility that apple juice may have been a contributing factor.
Note: Try juice from real apples, not the ones that are packed with sugar, preservatives and artificial flavoring.
Quote from: HindSight on September 01, 2013, 01:09:32
Any other common house hold items that you know of giving more vivid dreams?
Peanut Butter. It's hard to digest and makes your body work harder trying to process it, which in turn tends to put you in a very light sleep. At least that's what I have found.
2 pieces of Peanut Butter toast before I go to bed keeps me from falling into a deep sleep cycle.
You can keep the peanut butter Lion. It's yukky lol.
Regarding apples, there may be something in memory retention. The drink I experimented with is from concentrate. I don't buy the chemical soup drinks normally so it may be free of these impurities.
In my experiments with apple juice, I only noticed a better view of the scenes during phasing and one occasion of an RV attempt, it brought up an expected scene with something like a large hazy-clear box in the rooms centre, which was impressingly easy to do. The box wasn't expected at all. Apparently the weather had been very wet and a childs pushchair was left to dry in the same room.
I'll see if two large and one small people were in the room too. They rushed by my point of view, the semi-clear unexpected item had my interest.
Apple juice was taken prior to this, two days later after no juice at all the same attempt failed totally.
Tiredness beat me the second time.
Apple juice on an empty stomach gives me a belly ache. So no.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 12, 2013, 21:20:55
Apple juice on an empty stomach gives me a belly ache. So no.
Hah, I remember that's what my Mum always told me when I was a kid. :-)
But it makes sense. It's also empirical folk wisdom. It's too much acid for the stomach, especially if drunk without food (plus: if it's cold).
I don't know- I can have orange juice and not have that effect. But it's moot, because all my dreams are vivid, unless I'm too tired to surface.
Quote from: Xanth on September 01, 2013, 22:18:30
What happens here is that someone will do "something" before bed, and they'll have an experience... then for some stupid reason they'll try to make the connection between that "something" and the experience happening.
There's no connection beyond the one you *WANT* to see.
AP aside, I'm grateful that many people have made stupid assumptions. Without them, we would not have antibiotics and many other life saving discoveries.
AP in specific, I think you're probably right about this one but we already know that there are some chemicals that do enhance dream capabilities. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that something in apples does too.
Anything to report back Hindsight?
No sorry, just been too lazy to go out and get some.
Has anyone else tryed it?