awareness whilst Lucid

[experimental]

awareness whilst Lucid




It seems imperitive  that expereinces within some forms of dreams ,that  brings the dreamer to awareness makes me question the level of reality of it , but determining what type of enviroment we are percieving takes abit more curiosity , because for starters , "can a dream create a perfect copy of the physical space you are dreaming in easily " ? , to make the dreamer think their could be in the real time zone instead of a created dream version of it.

A tell tale expereince i had the other nite  pointed in this direction . The fact that i suddenly woke up and thaught i was awake, but  surpriseingly found out i was hovering instead of walking towards a door ,it seemed to kick in a  concsious intervension that had never happened b4 this way . It told me that if i was in the real time zone projected out of body, then " the level of reality in the physical aspect should not have changed thus appearing objective ( the enviroment ) , and that if anything seemed out of place or odd  to the physical aspect ( as in objects )  then that told me i was flying in a dream instead .

Well ... when i was hovering above the bed , everything looked spot on in place ,  the bed and the walls and carpet and the  door and colours , includeing my partner , which suggested i was in the real time zone   ... but 1 thing i noticed that made me question the level of reality, and that was the fact that " my quilt rose up and hovered wrapped around me aswell as the same time i was hovering . Because i thaught  "if this was the real time zones, i would of just  slotted inbetween the quilt and rose up above it instead ".

This pointed to the fact that  my sub-con had tempororaly created the quilt still in the same place ( thus makeing me question that i was in a dream ) instead of being in the real time zones .  If i m thinking correct, the real time zone appears  solid to that aspect and objects cant be effected or the use of the imagination cant effect the real time zones aspects ( dimensional objects  )  ?

Feelings of flying or becoming conscuiosly aware that you are " flying " while a dream is occuring , is suggesting your Lucid , or getting mixed cross fire of a projection expereince mixed in with a dream awareness at the same time maybe .


Regards experimental

; )

[bmw]

experimental,
  Intesting... I can't say for sure whether you were actually in the real-time zone.  However, thought can affect it.  In fact, after several minutes in the RTZ, you will begin to see reality fluxuations et cetera.  Also, if you try to read something in the RTZ, it will change each time you read it.  I don't have much experience with this, but it's nearly impossible to check whether you are dreaming or projecting unless you project from fully awake; no sleep in between.

Cheers

[catmeow]

This LD/OBE reading thing is bugging me right now.

I had an LD/OBE this morning.  I had a "barren" patch for a few days, so it was nice to "get out" and have the nice floaty free sensation again this morning.

But since I'm hung up on "reading" right now, I looked at a picture on the wall.  It doesn't exist in the real world, but it was hanging on the wall in my hall, so I looked at it.  It was a collection of pictures of birds (a bit like "Audubon's birds" - the famous bird artist).  Anyway, underneath each little bird illustration was a word.  Now I read one of these descriptions very clearly.  So I looked away and looked back.  I was disappointed to see that it hadn't changed.  But when I looked more closely it had changed!  So now I played a game and kept looking back and forth and every time, the description changed.

In fact I even caught the words changing in front of my eyes!  Like they "morphed" in front of me!  Really weird... but fascinating....

I think this tends to always happen in LD but not so much during OBE. Anybody agree?

catmeow

[experimental]

hi guys ,


i agree with both of the above points , it seems if you dont make the consious exit from the begining and come aware after  or later , it gets harder to tell what dimension were in wether that be "  (dream related, lucid , real time zone , or even further up the dimensional spectrum  )


but one things for sure , and thats the fact  weev tapped in to a  awareness in sleep time  , with me it happens randomly , but atleast i v adopted a experimental attiude ,  i guess understanding what to watch out for in these states will help verify it somewhat .

I v learnt in my own expereinces  that  when  a dream is happening, and i m part of the  " stage act " in the dream  i m generly  not aware enough to take control, ( only percieving evvents occuring ) and  downloading the shadow memory of it into concsiousness when i come fully round, then i can anylize it , i  can do this fairly ok ,

i v logged loads of dreams and  wrote down the  expereince of them individualy , it all helps recall and awareness in these states , i think the difference in dreams and Lucid dreams  is  self evident to " awareness and control " of the expereince  .

Comeing aware after a exit has occured  and still apearing part of a dream is very hard to grasp what dimension  i m percieving ( when i m flying that is ), the only hope i have when this occurs , is through  trying to grasp more awareness to experiment , and test the enviroment due to what i v learnt through reading other peoples expereinces on these forrums or out of  expereinced authers books  .


I know for certain, that if my imagination is effecting the dimension i may find myself in, then i know its part of a dream i v taken control of , but if i can stregnthen and control  my mind  in these states without useing my imagination and theirs still a enviroment to percieve , then i v got to be in the real time zones ( or a dream reflected copy of it lol ) or somewhere lower or higher maybe ( again especaily if i m flying )


experimental