If say i had a friend sleeping next to me was dreaming something and i was too and we were both asleep could he go into my dream and actually spiritually or in some form be there. not just a figment of my imagination. and could we talk and hangout.
Yes, it happens all the time. Dreams are manipulated by many entities.
kind regards,
Paul
Quote from: Bo Bo on December 23, 2010, 04:09:05
If say i had a friend sleeping next to me was dreaming something and i was too and we were both asleep could he go into my dream and actually spiritually or in some form be there. not just a figment of my imagination. and could we talk and hangout.
As you can see, some people believe this is possible...
Other people, such as myself, don't think it's possible.
My suggestion to you is to give it a shot and see what conclusions you can come to. :)
My reasoning is this...
The area of consciousness where we do our "dreaming" in (also lucid dreaming and *astral projection) is what I call and believe to be an "individual consciousness area". It's open to you and only you. Consider it like your physical body... nobody else can enter and use your physical body because only YOU have the proper key to connect and use it. Well, I find the same holds true for our "dream" area.
*There is an individual and collective astral projection... I'm referring here to the 'individual' area-type projection.
i don't see why not. if we are all connected at a quantum level (which psi research shows is true) then it shouldn't be a big jump to go into the dreams of others.
I have gone into other peoples dreams before and others have entered mine also its totally possible with a tiny bit of tallent :-D
:NoY:
I have done this too, and it is an interesting experience :)
Angie
I just believe it's not possible... I have my own theories which I've stated before as to how and why people misinterpret what they're experiencing.
I see it all as just that, a misinterpretation.
My opinion...
You should be more open minded. Who knows what kind of experiences you'll close yourself off to by thinking so absolute. The wider reality of things aren't so cut and dry.
Quote from: Xanth on December 23, 2010, 11:17:59
I'm not questioning how other people interpret their experiences.
I just believe it's not possible... I have my own theories which I've stated before as to how and why people misinterpret what they're experiencing.
I see it all as just that, a misinterpretation.
My opinion...
really though, the connection between minds has been scientifically shown with amazing odds against chance, like in the millions to 1.
you're creating a little impenetrable bubble around your mind, which might sound all hunky dory, but you're shutting yourself off from the "wider reality" too. poor xanth.
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Quote from: Bo Bo on December 23, 2010, 04:09:05
If say i had a friend sleeping next to me was dreaming something and i was too and we were both asleep could he go into my dream and actually spiritually or in some form be there. not just a figment of my imagination. and could we talk and hangout.
Well, yes, but not in the way you're probably thinking. Since we are always in the astral when we are dreaming, we are also in various levels, places, spaced, pockets, folds, whatevers. Often we are in a real astral location but our subconscious induces hallucinations which cloud our consciousness and gives the dream its illusionary/Alice-in-Wonderland feeling. These hallucinations can either act as an overlay to your perception (a kind of "dream goggles" thing) or you might actually construct dream images subconscious and so any other spirit in the vicinity will be able to see your dreams, in a sense.
In my experience, I do not think that anybody dreams in their own personal little bubble that only they have access to. This is the physical conception of dreaming, that we are in our brains and nothing more. This is not true. We are always in the astral for dreaming.
Now, as for interacting with others while dreaming, that is more than possible. In fact, chances are that you interact with many people each time you go to sleep. If there is someone on our mind a lot (this can be a friend, a relative, even an hated aquantance) then it's almost inevitable that we will interact with them as we sleep, since it is the nature of our subconscious to be drawn to people who are on our thoughts a great deal. In the astral, this becomes a literal, tangible force and you will find yourself drawn to certain people and places simply because they occupy a great space of your thoughts. In certain phases of sleep which lack the illusionary content of dreams, but still have the lack of consciousness, people have unimaginable adventures whilst they are dreaming in real locales with real people, but the catch is that we don't remember a thing when we wake up. Such a pity.
So in basic answer to your question, yes, it is possible to "enter" someones dream. All you have to do is go into the astral and find someone there who is sleeping. Voilá, you're in their dream. Whether they see you, hear you, feel you, or most important remember you, it is another matter entirely. Rest assured that the overwhelming majority of the time, they will not remember you. Doing this with someone who is also a practitioner of OBE's will increase the chances of remembrance, as well as trying to shock them somehow whilst they're dreaming so that you leave an impression.
I'm not closing myself off to anything... I've opened my mind to the ALTERNATIVE possibilities.
I'm also not saying anyone is wrong.
I'm saying that PERHAPS they're just misinterpreting what they're experiencing. There's a vast difference.
That's just as possible as what you're suggesting. The way you guys are talking, it sounds like you've got all this stuff factually licked. O_o
I'm SUGGESTING that what's going on is that people are actually finding themselves in a collective consciousness reality... "instead of" in their "dream reality".
lolz, really?
come on now, all in good fun.
I think we can also experience what others are dreaming without necessarily interfering in the dream. I don't know this to be true, it's just a hunch.
QuoteI'm also not saying anyone is wrong.
I'm saying that PERHAPS they're just misinterpreting what they're experiencing. There's a vast difference.
:lol: That is saying they are wrong. You slay me with your contradictions.
I can't prove it but I believe I go into other people's dreams all the time. Just this morning I saved several people from a tornado in a dream. I've been in the middle of a dream, face to face with someone when they just melt away. My theory is they just woke up. I've also been the one doing the melting away.
Quotei don't see why not. if we are all connected at a quantum level (which psi research shows is true) then it shouldn't be a big jump to go into the dreams of others.
Hey PR. This "psi research" interests me. What else do you know about it? Psipog.net was actually where I started to learn about all this.
If it were possible don't you think there would be a much larger discussion on people validating these experiences? Or would most people just be too weirded out to ask their friend, "Hey was it REALLY you that I was talking to last night in my dream?" Not saying it isn't possible but I've never heard of anyone doing this other than by a mere coincidence that both people experienced while dreaming, but doing it on a regular basis I don't know about that.
I used to do it all the time, and it was validated.
I used to dream about what some of my friends were doing, and my husband and I used to share dreams a lot. We don't as often, but there were a few years when we shared dreams all the time.
FWIW.
So my guess is CFTraveler that you had more than dream awareness when this happened? Or were these just regular dreams where you had no lucid awareness? I guess I just don't understand because when I have a dream where I don't become lucid I can't recall FULLY what happened, I can vaguely remember but I can misconstrue it very easily. From your experience, is there any sort of advice you can give for people trying to do this?
Quote from: iamkuljuarenot on December 23, 2010, 23:00:19
If it were possible don't you think there would be a much larger discussion on people validating these experiences? Or would most people just be too weirded out to ask their friend, "Hey was it REALLY you that I was talking to last night in my dream?" Not saying it isn't possible but I've never heard of anyone doing this other than by a mere coincidence that both people experienced while dreaming, but doing it on a regular basis I don't know about that.
Factor into that that the average human does not even remember a fraction of their dreams, most of the time even nothing.
Quote from: iamkuljuarenot on December 23, 2010, 23:00:19
If it were possible don't you think there would be a much larger discussion on people validating these experiences? Or would most people just be too weirded out to ask their friend, "Hey was it REALLY you that I was talking to last night in my dream?" Not saying it isn't possible but I've never heard of anyone doing this other than by a mere coincidence that both people experienced while dreaming, but doing it on a regular basis I don't know about that.
Do you realize how many people live on this planet?? When I go into other people's dreams, they aren't my friends or associates, they are complete strangers, so I have no idea how I would go about validating these experience.
So how do you know if they are actually other people and not just projections of people from your subconscious mind.
I don't know, but I do know that even though I'm an artist, I just don't think I have the brainpower to think of all those different people and different scenarios. I suppose my higher-self could be that clever, but I'm pretty sure I'd feel that, yet I don't feel these people are my subconscious.
Plus, I'm usually helping people not the other way around. I'd think if it was my subconscious THEY would be helping me.
I'm really not concerned about the logistics, I just wanted to add my two cents. :-)
Yeah that makes sense, I guess repeated validation with someone you know would be the only way to know for sure.
Quote from: iamkuljuarenot on December 25, 2010, 00:07:29
So my guess is CFTraveler that you had more than dream awareness when this happened? Or were these just regular dreams where you had no lucid awareness?
They were regular dreams in which I had no lucid awareness. But they were different in that there were periods in which I was waiting for something to happen with someone else, something that doesn't usually happen in normal dreams. A sort of 'real time' effect- hard to describe- things don't exactly happen instantaneously, and are more realistic.
QuoteI guess I just don't understand because when I have a dream where I don't become lucid I can't recall FULLY what happened, I can vaguely remember but I can misconstrue it very easily. From your experience, is there any sort of advice you can give for people trying to do this?
Unfortunately, these experiences have been spontaneous, and happened for a certain time in my life. I have never tried to do this on purpose, so the only thing I would advise is to practice becoming lucid in dreams, and keep a dream journal, so that later if you wish to check the information with real life events, you have documented information instead of memories that may or may not have matched.
(prepare for misspelling due to tiredness from a 16 (almost) kid) I kinda did a little research on this because i want to do it. Im on the process now.
But i believe its possible.
Basically how to do it (really short version with no info because im sleepy _-_) Is you become lucid first. After you are lucid you can spin around real fast thinking of the person you want to see, or fly up real high in the stars and keep thinking of them. And not just think, but actually try and believe it.
The one i am trieng is the portal. Making one and walking through eneting one's dream. it seems more likely to happen because its a portal.
Im not saying portals are more likely because its a portal, but just the "fact" that i think they will work more will probably will work more.
And i dont know if this make since but im tired as heck,lol. If you want to know more reply and ill give an better anser on how. But i think its possibe :)
And Xanth, you should try to do it even if you think its not real. You may not believe it but lets say you do enter someones dream, or so you and they think, And did do amazing stuff. And lets say its your best friend or wife (idk if you have one) or whoever you want to talk to about it, wouldn't it be fun to talk about it? On What you guys think you did together. No matter if you think its true or not, if you guys think you both have the same dream and did the same stuff it would almost be like dream sharing. Hope this makes since T,T
I was at this vision quest thing that lasted about an hour or two (lost track of time) where we went on this ...dream journey...lots of people were there. Afterwords as we were walking around outside in the dark crazy jungle (Hawaii), I asked the person that was laying next to me what she saw & she totally described what I saw! That was crazy! I didn't see her in my dream but it was like we shared a dream. I didn't ask anyone else what they experienced. I also know this guy who can AP very easily & he took his friends on a journey with him by going into a trance together. So I do think you can enter someone's dream but if you want verification, you might try doing it with someone that is right next to you with the same intention.
Quote from: testing on January 17, 2011, 04:05:52
So I do think you can enter someone's dream but if you want verification,
no you cannot: consciously thinking about it, trying to induce it, firstly you got understand what induces the "dream", however
since you seem to be well connected: if ya want have a laugh ask the premier of South Australia (current) if someone can enter dreams, with the inducer in a conscious state: hence deliberate
i heard the word Freddy Krueger get tossed around
this happened several years ago :wink:
good luck
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Quote from: ether on January 17, 2011, 04:50:32
no you cannot: consciously thinking about it, trying to induce it, firstly you got understand what induces the "dream", however
since you seem to be well connected: if ya want have a laugh ask the premier of South Australia (current) if someone can enter dreams, with the inducer in a conscious state: hence deliberate
i heard the word Freddy Krueger get tossed around
this happened several years ago :wink:
good luck
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I didn't say induce and we weren't even thinking about dream-sharing, it just happened. I have no idea how the guy took people with him when he AP'd but I don't think it's not possible. Obviously it's not possible for you.
Quote from: testing on January 17, 2011, 05:33:29
Obviously it's not possible for you.
you gave me to much imfomation,now i know your minds developement rate and level, in a nice way i say this of course :wink:
good luck
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Quote from: ether on January 17, 2011, 05:44:35
you gave me to much imfomation,now i know your minds developement rate and level, in a nice way i say this of course :wink:
good luck
love all
As I know yours :-D
I've done it before so I know it can happen. But it's not easy; in fact very difficult. That's why you don't see so many people talking about it, but if you hang out enough in these types of forums you will see reports of this.
It is difficult to do for many reasons- the dreamspace has mental barriers usually, which is why you usually have to have permission by the other person to do this, and both people have to remember to be able to verify it. Even then, it's difficult. But not impossible.
Quote from: CFTraveler on January 17, 2011, 13:23:14
I've done it before so I know it can happen. But it's not easy; in fact very difficult. That's why you don't see so many people talking about it, but if you hang out enough in these types of forums you will see reports of this.
It is difficult to do for many reasons- the dreamspace has mental barriers usually, which is why you usually have to have permission by the other person to do this, and both people have to remember to be able to verify it. Even then, it's difficult. But not impossible.
Hey, Can you mabey post somewhere how you did it?
Thanks :-D
(Thanks if you do it that is,lol)
The first time I didn't do it on purpose, it just happened (the other person was my hubby and we had talked about projecting together previously in passing). It's here somewhere. Another time it was both of us going to sleep with the intention of getting into another's dream.
But basically we introduced external stimulus to remind us of what we were supposed to do. Since we were in the same room, it wasn't difficult.
Quote from: CFTraveler on January 17, 2011, 13:23:14
I've done it before so I know it can happen. But it's not easy; in fact very difficult. That's why you don't see so many people talking about it, but if you hang out enough in these types of forums you will see reports of this.
It is difficult to do for many reasons- the dreamspace has mental barriers usually, which is why you usually have to have permission by the other person to do this, and both people have to remember to be able to verify it. Even then, it's difficult. But not impossible.
8-)
but can you try again as the system has recently changed i would love to know if you are successful again, the system is designed to keep out all intruding for all in many many areas in fact all areas, dont worry a system will be constructed for all areas for such events to take place safely and securely without any unwanted intruders, im sure your aware this has been a problem in the past in many areas!
like ya said permission by the other party, so if ya could try doing that now see what happens, their is a process their for such events (asking permission) but im not sure whether thats good enough maybe that could be minipulated (in a short time), the whole idea of it is to make it as simple as possiable even for the novice and safety being number one, maybe a system that you Ap into a area and pick what ya want, i know that all that is done by human beings talked about on sites as this is all recordered, we want to make a system so as you are able to pick it of the shelf so to speak and away ya go 8-)
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Quotebut can you try again as the system has recently changed i would love to know if you are successful again, the system is designed to keep out all intruding
Yes, but someone that is invited is not an intruder- if I open the door for someone they can come in. If I don't, then they could be classified as an intruder, and the safeguards are there.
However, the next time I feel up to doing this (atm I have a cold and feel like crap) I'll give it a shot and tell you what happened.
Quote from: CFTraveler on January 18, 2011, 09:57:48
Yes, but someone that is invited is not an intruder- if I open the door for someone they can come in. If I don't, then they could be classified as an intruder, and the safeguards are there.
However, the next time I feel up to doing this (atm I have a cold and feel like crap) I'll give it a shot and tell you what happened.
good we want to make sure all have indestructible safeguards in all areas, and of course this will eradicate intruding in all areas
thanks that would be really really appreciated if ya could let me know how ya go
good luck
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