Controlling dream people.

[The AlphaOmega]

EVERYTHING in your dreams are of your own control.  It's your mind, you create the world you live in and the actions that the people in that world take.  Consider everything that happens in a dream and everything that people say or do to or with you, and you will easily discover that it's yourself.  You're fears, your daydreams, are all manifest in your mind.  So when you ask if you can control what people say to you in your dreams, the reality is that they don't have a mind of their own mind to begin with.

[SmileySpirit14]

i posted in another topic that angels and astral doubles and such things that DO exist can visit your dreams. maybe the so called 'demons' of yours are not demons but someone visiting your dream which is why you cant control them.

[wisp]

holy reality,
These all are very interesting dream observations. Some things limit me, not aware I'm dreaming (therefore not able to take control),and remembering the dream. I journal dreams, and remember the best I can.

You of course, describe dream control, and I guess your memeory of dreams are better? How often do you remember these things?

It's obvious to me you are using telepathy in your experiences.In my dreams, all the characters cooperatively communicate telepathically. Sometimes word are spoken, but it wouldn't matter because the communication is there anyway.

I don't have confrontational dreams, so this isn't something I can say too much about.

I journal and try to reflect on recent waking experiences.Sometimes I can pick up subtle little clues or feel for what prompted(?) the dream.You say in this quote, I don't experience this at all,but it is interesting.

quote:you might not notice it at the time, but you might wake up and realize that you were thinking about certain things during that moment that influenced the dreams course of events, etc.

TheAlphaOmega states:

quote: So when you ask if you can control what people say to you in your dreams, the reality is that they don't have a mind of their own mind to begin with.

Actually, I believe they do have a mind of their own.Although it may be you, it is another aspect of yourself with potential.

SmileySpirit states:

quote: i posted in another topic that angels and astral doubles and such things that DO exist can visit your dreams. maybe the so called 'demons' of yours are not demons but someone visiting your dream which is why you cant control them.

I'm not knowledgable (yet[]) about the particulars of angels (though I believe)and of astral doubles (I also believe something to understand more).
I am sure that there are other beings who place themselves in dreams.  

[holy reality]

well the thing about all of this is none of us knows the "truth" we all have various beliefs but I mean... we dont' even know that there is an unconscious mind, per se.... I personally know that when I am falling asleep I have thoughts that are rambling, nonsensical, and beyond my control, which sure backs up the theory of the unconscious mind... but still, it could be that there is an entirely different explanation for such events.

The same holds true for dreams. While I know that they are very very subjective and based almost entirely upon me, my memories, experiences, expectations, and thoughts, I can't really explain why if dreams were 100% isolated to ME... that while fully lucid, I would ever have even the slightest problem in having bad things that I don't want to happen pop up.

It may be 100% explained by the unconscious literally being another mind that I'm interfacing with, so communicaiton between us isn't always fluent, and it's just as stubborn as I am, but I don't know.


This happens every night, I'm lucid every night (unless I absoultely don't want to be and want proper rest).

Last night I was at my grandmas, became lucid, tried to fly up through the ceiling to go to the astral (which of course i got the idea from by reading posts here, i don't know that i believe in an "astral" or not...)

I couldn't do it... asked my grandma about it, but while asking her I knew that it was a confidence problem.. she affirmed that and said "you can do it, you just need the proper confidence" I knew that the whole time, yet her saying it seemed as if... maybe I affirmed that into a deeper area of my mind (the "unconscious") and so then it spit that back out at me, realized I needed confidence, gave it to me, and thus helped me through the ceiling...

anyway I came to a place with tons of mountains (and again this is directly influenced by a post i read, that guy went to a mountainous place too) and it was very pretty...

There was some house there, and I was wandering along and I think some small green thing latched onto my neck... what most of you would call a "neg".... now Im not sure if this happened because of doubts I was having, but it was a new environment and with all the reading about negs and stuff I probably was a bit cautious... but I could get the thing off of me... I tried energy awareness in the neck area to try and force it out but I couldn't focus very well.

The feeling gradually withdrew and I wandered around, there was a lake and some flooded houses and I intended to walk on the water but couldn't... it was murky and I was afraid of what was in there but I assured myself there wasn't anything bad... I saw a few fish and that was it.

So anyway... then I went to magic mountain.... first non lucid, then lucid... the lucid version wasn't very real at all.. and much of magic mountain was flooded with water, too...

I wanted to go to X and briefly thought up some sort of water transit system kind of like the tubes in futurama and got sucked down into the water, shot up into the air, and eventually was draw toward x.

So anyway to make this shorter (and cut out a lot of details) while in a tediously long line (despite cutting a huge portion of it) I was next to some girl, and I got the notion that I wanted to kind of make out with her.... we were sitting on the floor and she rested her head upon me (and all this was influenced by a few thoughts that passed through my head)

and we started kissing, and then the thing that always happens to me when I have sex (i don't feel like describing it right now) happened... and I said "are you a demon?" and she said yes..... (happens all the time) so.... we fought for a bit, I easily won... we talked... I dont' remember about what other than why this keeps happening... and I said "is anyone else in here a demon" almost the entire station full of people was.... (i think i kind of expected this though... i'm not sure, but i was still kind of surprised that there were NO normal people in the station)

i told them all to leave, they angrily did (i expected them to be angry) and then there were a few people left... I asked them who they were... none were human (i don't think) one girl said she was a demon, but a good demon...she gave me her name, and I recognized it, and "her" (sort of) but I don't know where form, it's the typical kind of false dream memory...

i asked her to show me what she looked like... and she turned into some sort of weird small box with an extending... tentacle or something.... and was tan colored....

i told her she could hang around me if she wanted but she was not to mess with me or take any of my 'energy' unless i specifically gave it to her voluntarily.



okay so anyway... the point is... I am thinking all of this.. all this demon nonsense... I think its from when I first started posting here and getting into OBEs and read about negs and energy and telekenesis and all that jazz... and you know I wanted to be open minded about it.. and I got sucked into believing it enough to legitimately worry about demons and negs and stuff... but I was never really sure if I believed it or not.

Then this all really started happening on the huge scale that it did... and I think I'm having these recurring dreams because I still am unsure of what I believe...

because when I have them... I'm in the state of mind/beliefs that I was back then... I think in terms of negs being energy vampires... I almost believe in it... I dont' usually think "this is all BS, it isn't real, you don't have an energy source to be leeched off of, all this is happening because of what you've read"

so i think because i refuse to either believe or refute these ideas, that it's caused some psychological turmoil or something... I don't know....

I have no clue, but that's kind of what I'm leaning towards right now.

So I mean if I believed in it fully, I could more successfully keep them from coming back... or if I didn't believe in it at all, it'd eventually stop happening... but since I'm in the middle the demon encounters are very random... and I've come to associate them with sex, which relates to all sorts of sex issues I have (being a lonely virgin) and the fact that I wonder if the girls I do things to in my dreams are real..

So...... it's just a big mess in my head and that's why it's becoming a recurring theme, because it's something I need to make a decision about, one way or another.

But based upon my overanalytic personality I find it impossible to commit to one set of belief values since I know that objectively there is no way of knowing if anything is ever "true".

If you've read all this, congratulations, lol.....

But I think that at least 95% of what I go through is isolated to my own mind.... but based upon some happenings (like contacting my friend... and little interesting synchronicities) that it may be possible to at least contact fellow humans while in dream/obe.

I dont' think an OBE is different from a lucid dream though.. though I think there may be different "levels" that you can access with both.

[wisp]

holy reality,

quote:If you've read all this, congratulations, lol.....

Oh yes, I have read it all. It's this kind of in depth observation that makes for trying to figure things out about dreams more hopeful.Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. I am going to look it over carefully before I say anything about it.

I try to pick up on all these small details too with my dreams.

[SmileySpirit14]

no, i failed....i couldnt read it all...i'll try again! AAHH!

[darkangel13]

quote:holy reality: Whenever I want to know if someone is real, I ask them a question, then when they answer, I ask the question again, and think the other answer in my head, and they will answer whatever it is I think.

You can control anything and everything in your dreams, as long as you're concious enough to want to change something in your dreams... if you're able to control what someone says or does, then you are lucid:)
-Kristina

[wisp]

Holy Reality,
Since you covered well your overall ideas and questions, I think it would be easier to answer you with my own summary of ideas.I left out some of the specifics of what you say due to the length of this. You pinpoint some very basic things which I also have wondered about also, and interesting enough, in my conscious state (it seems to match your lucid state).

Reality may be what each individual makes their own?I tend to favor the ever growing ideas about simutaneous lives. Simutaneous lives and the abstract of dreams are similar to me. I believe what I experienced in my earlier life is explained in my later life. But too, I've been observing life for most my life. If a person begins to look at all this later in life, the frame of reference may be different. Just another mystery to wait to unravel. I don't believe our consciousness unravels it, I believe the subconscious (as an aspect/face, or part of many) does it. And not to mention all the points of all the other aspects or faces one can put in it all. That's why at the present I prefer not to be thinking generally about any possible outside or unknow influence (can't help not,though[]). These bridge connections will be made in due time. So many names and preconceived notions may add to an already difficult puzzle to solve.

I'm presently quite ignorant about the obe experience, but that's okay. If I included this in what I'm trying to figure right now, I'd have the fear to deal with. I can't deal with such a thing right now. Everyone has fear of some kind. More power to those who choose this path.My personal fear is invisible, probably the same fear, just packaged differently.

Although there is a spirit body in the obe, I don't deal with my spirit body the same way. My spirit body is invisible. I'm trying to figure how the body is connected to the mind.Invisible mind and invisible body(many aspects). How do these two things work together? And maybe to ask why, while at it too. What are the functions of the two separate parts. So far I believe the mind has the ability to connect with higher sources (again, for who or what that may be can't be discerned right now). The body part(including other aspects unknown for now). I have to wonder, is this invisible factor of mine,the same factual part to one who understands obe? Maybe. In the meantime I stick to my simple path to be able learn what is what.

My reality is what I see in daily living. If my dreams, my learning, my ideas don't fit or is not expressed in physical reality, I'm either not ready for that step, or, I'm going the wrong path. There never really is a wrong path if I keep my eyes on my road. It hasn't failed me yet. Reality living is much of the journey. The twists and turns of truths I've become to see as standard universal laws never fail. This kind of path I can see. I very good at making the right moves in reality. Whether these moves makes sense to the other person doesn't matter. This path is as lonely as it is talked about. Do these negative beings mean, bad company is better than no company to you?  It's not for one faint of heart, although my physical self has had to stand the test many times.I have accomplished much regarding fear of the unknown and death. Maybe this is what it's all about. And maybe the things I've learned will pay off later, for sure these things pay off now.Try dumping the bad stuff, and it's REAL interesting what you have left. And more than you think, or should I say feel. It's about thinking vs feeling oftentimes.That's where my road has taken me so far.  

Most people in my opinion, do not really want to know what there is to know. To me, many obers get past a lot of these fear barriors. It seems that you face the unknown in a different way. You ask the same questions I do.

[holy reality]

wisp

"Do these negative beings mean, bad company is better than no company to you?"

i'm not sure if you were asking me that, but that's a good point.... right now i have no company to begin with, but the past (and only) relationship i've had with a woman was more harmful to me than it ever was good, yet i clinged onto it and wouldn't let go until she ended it all.

but i'd like to think i've learned a lot since then, but i have nothing to apply to it since i don't really have any relationships going on right now at all.

i think i might probably fall back into what i was in before, if i had a girlfriend, and that scares me, but since i acknowladge that as a possibility i would think that if/when i ever get into a relationship again it should be a definite growth of character and reflect a change in me, since though i am still kind of in the same dependant mindset as before, i can now analyze it from the outside and perhaps overcome it.

but i can't overcome it without engaging in another relationship, i don't think.... unless i had some profound metamorphosis through drugs, dreaming, meditating, etc... which seems unlikely.

i know that i am largely denying "myself" though right now, which i can't do much about given my somewhat oppressive environment....

and i will be denying myself for a long time to come, since the government thinks they have the right to tell me what i can and cannot put into my body.... they don't want us exploring our minds i suppose.

there are a few legal alternatives though, but i'm in an environment that is very hostile to everything that i am and want to be (my family) so... there's not a lot i can do about it right now.

I think these demons are probably actually caused by all my conflicts with my family and with not being able to do what I want to do with myself.... but i figured that out a long time ago and it never really made them go away, I guess perhaps I'd have to fix the problems, not just acknowladge them.

[wisp]

holy reality,
you asked:

quote:"Do these negative beings mean, bad company is better than no company to you?"

i'm not sure if you were asking me that,

Yes, this was what I was asking.

You offer a lot of insightful things here.I need time to look it over some more. I have read all the material. It sounds as if you're already on top of all this. Thanks for sharing. The dream you including is also very interesting. You have a lot of knowledge! I've read on some of this sort of thing, but I must re-read and recall some of the things I've come to learn on this deep subject.
Thanks, [] I'll be back with some more things.

[holy reality]

well thank you for your commentary wisp...

things got really weird last night...

This demon was back... the way I encountered him was pretty unique though... often times he's there during sleep paralysis, i used to be powerless against that but i can get out and beat down on him no problem now usually

so I suppose i sort of woke up partially while falilng asleep... I felt myself rising... I knew sleep paralysis was coming, and was glad.... I then felt very very very heavy... I was sinking.. not only sinking but being pushed downward with a kind of smothering feeling..

I then felt a very thin veil of a presence directly on top of me.... completely matching my body, as if it were my "astral double" but... it did not feel like a part of me... it felt like a separate presence...

I talked to it.. I said "are you a pure presence? If you aren't you don't belong here, leave." nothing happened... I asked again... *now obviously I'm going to expect it to be this demon, so maybe that is the only reason why i ran into him... i don't know* but I sort of transitioned out of body... and I believe it was a very thin shadowy neutral figure

it took shape into the demon though

I asked him who he was, he said "Maynard" (as in Maynard James Keenan, Tool) he looked exactly like Gollum, like he almost always does...

So.... I said no you aren't maynard, don't lie to me... I started trying to force him to answer me, to test if he was real or not... it was harder than usual and seemed to cause him pain in his head... eventually I could control him... I then stopped and asked him if the only reason I could do this was because of telepathy... he screamed YES and went a bit crazy...

It hurt him a lot I guess.... and he claimed that I affect him while he sleeps... that I woke him up last night (i don't remember him saying that but apparently he did since I wrote it down) I didn't know what he was talking about but I apologized.... I asked him why he had to be so mean about it though, and he said that I was way meaner to him than he is to me.

He made it out like... I visit him during the night and harrass him, too....

Now.. if this is the real Maynard... well.. I occasionally dream about him, but I'm far from mean to him, the only dream I ever had where I interacted with him was one where we went golfing (it was fun).

So... anyway... all of a sudden he started singing the Outsider to me "medicated, drama queen....." and well.. now I'm not sure but it seems to me that maybe I expected him to do that....

at any rate... I asked him to bring the whole band into my room.. nothing happened...

We talked, and he was very very harsh for the most part, very angry, at times scaring me... I was mostly calm and trying to be reasonable with him.. I asked him why we couldn't be friends (towards the beginning though, when he talked about how mean i was)

So throughout this... I woke up a lot, and kept voluntarily reentering paralysis.... now... towards the end of it.. I got fed up with him, grabbed him by the neck... and said something like 'please go away, get out of here and don't come back" but as i thought over what i just I couldn't help but want to interact with him more and get more information from him... so I said "well maybe you can come back later" and BAM... I woke up

I didn't get to finish my train of thought.. I was going to say I'd like to run into his "real" form in a later on lucid dream (or was it non lucid) and I think I was going to say to do it saturday... but... I never got a chance... the thoughts were still running in my head while waking up so maybe he heard it...

but...

I later on had a sort of sex dream... which was halfway lucid.. and toward the end the girl started turning into a demon... but then the dream transitioned and i wasn't lucid and she wasn't a demon anymore... so I don't know.


Now... I don't know what to make of this... I think that maybe it's pretty symbolic of how I sometimes treat my dream characters... forcing sex upon them... and such... and  you know, he said I am meaner to him than he is to me.... and he would pretty much equal any dream character I have... so it's like.... "dream karma" maybe... reprocussions for me wondering if my dream encounters are real, and if I'm sort of mind raping people....

But also... rape (it's not always rape though) symbolizes issues with intamicy and control and violation of privacy... which are issues I'm dealing with right now.. so... that could be it, too.

I mean... right now, I don't think he's real, and if he is I think he's an imposter... because I can't really fathom MJK just randomly haunting me for no reason, and being so damn ugly... I would imagine he is fairly spirtually adept and good at "magick" but I would think it would be in a purer form.. and that he would be able to mentally overpower me, which he can never do... so... it just doesn't add up.

I think it's just a familiar name to me... so.. it's a name my mind often uses.

Plus I never consciously try to harrass the man while dreaming... I mean.. I don't think I've ever even tried to contact him while lucid like i try with other people... so...

Unless I'm doing absolutely crazy, bad things that I have no memory of... I just don't see how it could be him.. why he'd choose me... how he'd find me.... what I'm doing to be mean to him... I don't know.

It's just very weird though.... very very weird....

Thinking back on it that day I did energy work, so maybe that is what put me into paralysis, having a lot more energy in me than usual... I don't normally do energy work and yesterdays was pretty effective... so...

I don't know.

It is very hard to analyze and dissect this stuff while trying to not limit myself to one belief system.. because there's the "neg" approach and the "unconscious" approach, and all sorts of different explanations for what I'm going through.

And I'm not sure which one to believe in...

I also had some very bad non lucid dreams about my friend... he was working the gun show (this weekend it's coming up) and he was extremely tired... my brother made a joke about him and he got really mad and called up to tell me that he could snipe my brother if he wanted to... I knew something was wrong and talked to him for a while... and told him he'd be fine and  he just needed to try and make it through the day and take little naps while not doing anything...

and then I saw him.. while on the phone... his eyes were so horribly bloodshot they were on the verge of bleeding, he looked horrible...

then i dreamed i was riding with him and some cub scouts had "firebombs" in the road which looked like lamp poles and consisted of shooting bottle rockets at us.. I was extremely mad becuase they could blow us up doing that and wanted to run them over....

but then ir ealized they were just stupid kids and called the police on them, but... my anger manifested into him and he tried to run them down.. then the police accidentally ran one of them over... and when they lifted his body up his brain was splattered on the sidewalk, which REALLY disturbed me...

so.... cub scouts, angering my friend... violentness... I'm not sure what the connection is supposed to be... I know he still does some work with the scouts I think...

then I dreamed my new nieghbors were deliberately ramming their truck into parked cars and vandalizing things...which isn't good, since i'm getting new neighbors soon.

and that above dream, is what led into the demon....

but i also dreamed i was at a pizza place with a girl i know and i had a beer (underage) and the cops came in and I defended this girl so she wouldn't get in trouble for serving us the beer...

then she wanted to thank us.. and I was drunk and watching myself asleep in the car while the girl I was with drove me home, and then she stopped at my street and that woman was there.. in a red dress... kind of old looking... visible out in the shadows, slowly approaching us... there was an ominous feel to it, not really scary... becuase i knew she was a good person and wanted to thank us... but something didn't settle quite right.. and my doubts manifested into the girl, who wanted to drive away...

I said we'd better not risk it so she floored it and drove away.

It was a very bizarre night of dreams... I woke up into hypnagogic hallucinations of the preview channel at one point, almost all the channels were legible and in chronological order... and I wasn't even paralyzed.. it was weird.

If any of this means anything I don't know...

I'm kind of worried about my friend now though.

[wisp]

holy reality,
So far, it seems your dreams are about as normal as they can be.I wasn't familiar with Maynard of Tool, I checked out a list of their songs. I see a lot of key words which tell me they must express a lot of subconscious symbolism in their music. Music relates too, of course about rythm. I notice in particular, drums. This song that Maynard sang I'm not familiar, but the name tells me it's about negative (vibes?) about female characteristics. In short, about a normal transition taking place. I can't think of the special name given to this metamorphous.A closer word, but I can't find it in my dictictionary is morphidite(something like that).I read in this one dream book about this. I also have reached that stage in my dreams. I believe the goal is to reach the level of the maximum male/female combination. A super structure of sorts. It's quite astounding if you ever get a vision of this combo creature! There's more progress after this, but I believe this is a stage your working on.If I can find the book with this info, I'll write more on it. I had the experience before I ever read about it, so I know it isn't something I dreamed up.[]

In the meantime, you may very well be your own demon. Again, a transitional thing happening. I can't help but think that your being too critical or hard on yourself. It doesn't take much for a person to get angry with oneself. I had to experience this just last week. Once I had identified my own self anger (directed at myself), I got to feeling better. Until then, days had passed with me having these awful and doubtful feelings.Things like that just can't go on for me! Something has to give! I don't know how other people live with these feelings? I suspect thay do. For me, the feel is too unbearable to hang onto. So far, I can readily i.d. self anger or punishment. Once it's identified, the problem seems to take care of itself. Could the rape rage have to do with this maybe? It's sounds like a more intense anger than what I've experienced myself as a female.

The dream with the gun or gunshow is foggy to me too. I have had a few dreams early on, similiar. They are long gone now which leads me to believe I've processed these things unconsciously.And in part, I find them to be an integral part of my personality (a bit on the fearful side). How the symbols breakdown, I'm probably too close to it, to be able to help in this area. Moving on to the cub scout part. This part I suspect to be your innocent child aspect.
You understand where all the characters in the dream are coming from. The surprize was when the policeman accidently killed the child. You can feel remorse. Police are generally seen as restrictions a person places on themself. You felt no anger toward the police, and instead, did notice the tradegy of the event, and this is good. These characters seems clearly to be aspects of yourself that your playing out. Your friend's part, I can't say for sure. The good thing is to remember, these are transitional, most likely. The stories will continue(with or without you knowing it). Eventually you will reach a more advanced dreaming state. You seem to be working through normal things.

Later dreams will show you more. Some dreams don't get explained later, but many of them do, in a collection of information sort of way.

A note about oppressive surroundings. I've had to deal with teens and other growing up issues with my kids, especially the last five years. I know about oppression now. []

[holy reality]

you're talking about the anima/animus... joining of female and male...

Jung believed the males have a repressed female side (anima) to get in touch with and vice versa for females (animus).... or something like that.

And tool has an album called Ænima.... which has lots of references to Jung and his ideas....

anyway... I'm not sure where you draw the female connection here.... I guess with the ambigous people I have sex with sometimes? That could be it.... I had never thought if it that way before.

I do feel I've become more "feminine" yet, I'm also taking up weight lifting... so... I don't know.... maybe the two are fighting each other and trying to find an equillibrium.

As for what he sang to me... he sang it because I expected him to perceive me that way.... he's a pretty arrogant guy, especially to write a song like that (the outsider,  by a perfect circle) but his point is pretty valid though.

But... based upon what we were talking about and how the emotions played out I expected him to think that way about me, and what better of a way to express it than by singing those lyrics.

Now what I don't know... is why I perceive him to look so horribly ugly and demon like... I know HE actually looks kind of like Gollum does.... and I've made jokes about it.... but... I'm not sure that would be enough to make it a recurring experience.

Anyway I've been trying to move on past this, and I apologized to all the dream characters I had messed with, and tried to apologize to a specific girl, but could not find her... I then told this demon that I  loved him, and he repeated it to me... like... almost a mirror of myself, saying it in the same phrasing with the same feelings to his voice like I did....

like maybe he was a part of me I guess.

But...

Anyway there is one other thing that bothers me.... fire... I have recurring dreams where someone will seem to spontaneously be on fire... they are usually lucid dreams... and out of the blue a house will be on a fire or a car will blow up or something..... and I always run away and try to hide and get away from it, and the screaming, and sometimes force myself awake.

A lot of times it happens at my grandparents house too, and one time I dreamed they accidentally set their house on fire... and then once that I accidentally set it on fire.

I always yelled at them to get out though, but I wasn't going to go in after them... they eventually got out I think.

this dream kind of explains a typical scenario:
http://dreamjournal.org/dj/index.cfm?do=getdream&dream_id=39234

one other one was that I was lucid in their pool and doing something and a car was in a neighbor's yard (on the other side than the one in this dream was) and it had exploded and they were on fire... so I dumped the pool water on top of them and it didn't do anything... and I got kind of freaked out and woke up.... then I later went back and the same thing happened and I managed to put them out with all my concentration.

fire can be seen as a cleansing force... but I'm not sure why it would happen to random people I don't know....

oh and I think I had the pool dream because I was thinking of how hilarious Goldmember is when Dr Evil's parent's car randomly explodes for no reason in the flashback scene while I was falling asleep.

[wisp]

holy reality,
Excellent insights into your dreams. About fire. Well, for starters, it's one of the four elements, Earth,Wind,Water, and Fire.It naturally occurs. The most common thought about your use of fire in dreams is as a blockage or an obstacle.Yet, you use it for a good time.You must use it in two ways.Fire is energy,often considered male energy. Other connections with fire are Sun energy, anger emotions,aggression,sexual, lower chakral flow,fear of. God is also associated with fire. In Chinese astrology fire is a normal cycle, fire destroys wood, water destroys fire for instance. Good reading if you ever want to get the feel of these cycles.

How are you using fire energy or power? Blocks are obstacles in the way for your own protection.

There are two kinds if light, Sunlight and reflective Moonlight. In order to see in the dark or recesses one must see the light. Trees represent existence, your seeing a Christmas tree, your playing around with it. Buildings represent the mind and thinking issues in some respects.It also represents the physical body. You have trapped a woman in a burning building and you have accepted her demise.You write as if you don't know this woman. In due time, you will.In the meantime, everyone you know gets out alive. Another word for explosion is ignite.Passion? Passion being what excites or ignites you.

Why this? I don't know. I have had only a few dreams with fire, several involving Sun energy:
1. Candle in a typical yinyang scene. Dark with light over  the hill.
2. An explosion (only one I can recall) and fire in a court room.
3. The sun reflecting off my vehicle's window producing a light glare. I am light, I am the sun sort of message.

Instruments of music is about harmony. Your developing harmony skills. This is showing progression in your path.

The TV set and the message you don't want to hear. That's what we do to protect ourselves from, those things we are not ready to hear or understand. On the other hand, there are misconceptions, lies, and head games. These things are real too. You may be sensitive (aware) of the power of lies to feed and message lies to you.This is why ugly shows through as well. What something looks like on the outside is not necessarily what it looks like inside. Often these images is your own working through to perfection of your inner parts. Have you ever been watching someone, hear their words and see something ugly inside them? This is your third eye vision. Your dreams are working you through to understanding more about this. Those things about yourself and possibly about those who you encounter in daily life (glass and mirrors).Same thing with fire. How do you relate to fire in your own personal waking experiences?

Your dreams show a lot of clarity of what you already have. Great dreams. I think of generational things when it comes to grandparents.I don't fully understand that part either. Time will tell.So far, I feel that my grandparents have something to do with my soul progression.

[Lickerish]

Well I don't have any control over dream people. They are completely seperate and opinionated individuals who visit me whenever they like and do whatever they like.
Just recently I have become able to communicate with them enough to let them know what they really are and they are beginning to accept the fact that their existance is being generated from my mind.
When I encounter dream people the experience is true to life.
They come complete with bodily warm, physical sensation, and even have oddly enough actual auras that I can sense coming from them.

[beachmaster]

One of my dream characters was my boss (or a form of him) and he was driving a van erratically that I happened to be a passenger of as well as a couple of other people.  After toppling the van down a very steep embankment and on top of some sort of retaining wall, the van righted itself and then I became lucid.  Now knowing it was a dream only, I rejoiced in this knowledge, and looked at my "boss" knowing full well now that it really wasn't... I began to mess with his face with my hands very aggressively and sort of laughing as I did.  He froze up and begin staring straight ahead as if immediately a deep trance overcame him, and then became completely lifeless and cold and turned to a stone like statue thing, totally dead to the world.  I looked at the other passengers and tried to talk to them but they all did pretty much the same thing and I had nobody to talk to!

 

[wisp]

Lickerish's quote:
When I encounter dream people the experience is true to life.

Beachmaster,
I have to agree with what Lickerish has said. You are showing and expressing the same thing. I find that this is the very thing which drives people to make decisions based on avoidance of being alone. Your dream is showing you something very important.

[holy reality]

Can you all control what dream people say to you?

Whenever I want to know if someone is real, I ask them a question, then when they answer, I ask the question again, and think the other answer in my head, and they will answer whatever it is I think.

I can even take it a step further and apply the same principle to make them do things... it's a combination of giving them verbal instructions (but only "thinking" them) and imagining them carrying them out.

Even the realest of dream people cannot withstand this....

and I notice that usually everything a dream person does or says is based upon either what I expect them to do or say, or a thought that passes through my head (they are very hard to notice, you have to look and listen for them) or a combination of both.

I can't say that I've ever been able to find a dream person that I couldn't control (unless i'm not very lucid)

and I don't now if it's becuase... say... I'm lucid, they aren't, my mind is therefore stronger and I can control them.... or... if they are playing games with me? Or it's telepathy? Or what...

But sometimes the "demons" are a bit hard to control, I think that is because I expect a demon to be uncooperative and excessively hostile.... the last one I encountered I kept telling it it wasn't real and it kept saying it was.... we went back and forth arguing that way for a while.

But I wasn't lucid enough to try and take assertion and control it's responses/actions, though.

So do you all have similar experiences? You really should hold your mind clear and listen to your thoughts while dream characters are talking to you....

you might not notice it at the time, but you might wake up and realize that you were thinking about certain things during that moment that influenced the dreams course of events, etc.

The thing about it is though that I really want to believe that you can meet real people, and it seems like I may have done that before based upon some of the results I can sometimes get while lucid... so... I don't know.