Well this is third time I referenced this thread today:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13551
Trying to get beyond obe phantoms is not easy, there seems to be a continume between obe's and lucid dreams and maybe we can get beyond it by concentration.
HI again
I have used a timer to get lucid dreams evrey time.
http://www.saltcube.com:10040/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=rhythm-napping
In my dreams i know I am about to have a lucid. But with the timer it fells different. Normaly without timer I have a feeling that my head expands just when I become lucid. With the timer I am just there with no symptoms. I think it must be a lucid dream because the scenes from the dream is the same. When i look at my hands I see them. Tonight there were somthing like a metallic fluid I could move on my hands. I usually dont see my hands becayse they are melted away. The spinning action to change scenes is not working. With timer i dont get the heavy feeling og gravety when spinning.
And finally with timer i sometimes find it difficult to focus, but that is adjustable. I havent had an obe yet, and I dont know if it is obe´s i get. All the symptoms you describe while obeing is not there. So What is happening? Is it just another type of lucid dream or am I obe´ing? If so is there some tests to be sure?
First time i tried the timer i woke and was frozen in place. Scary experience.
Thanks :)