I have no idea, sorry, Mrsix.
For what it's worth though, i think you should really try and find your own meaning for your dream. After all, dreams are a product of the individual's mind, and everybody's mind is vastly different. I know that may not be what you're looking for, but i just had to say it.
Good luck with it!
Dreams, Lucid Dreams, AP-OBE all do have some parts that come from our very own mind and that need to be interpreted. Other parts can be real images, for example of the future (premonitions).
To me your dream could be a premonition of a flood in the area where
you live.
However, most probably it is not. Water in dreams represent the depth of your unconscious. Water usually is purifying (=cleaning). HOwever, it depends how the waters were. Were the wates muddy and dirty? Or was it all clear and kind of blue/green? A purfying water would be clear, while muddy water would not. Fish in the water represent good things coming up from your unconscious. Another explanation of natural catastrophies in dreams is that it represents a change ahead in your life, a change that you are afraid of, or at least that your unconscious part of yourself is afraid of.
So you see, there are interpretations for water, flood, etc... and then it is up to you to apply this to your very own life and see where it fits, if it fits.
Are you yourself strict? Are you always making sure the toilets are spotless (before you sit)? Here I am trying to see if the other person was actually created by your own mind. Do you know of any Harry (or any girl whose brother is Harry) - except for Potter of course.
that's the kind of questions you have to ask yourself here. I hope I could help.
Shaman the dreamer
Thanks both of you for your replies! [:)]
Shaman, I don't know anybody called Harry, nor do I know of anyone who has a brother named Harry.
And i'm not strict at all... i'm messy, disorganised, and don't feel comfortable in cleanliness!! Not enough character :o)
I most certainly hope it wasn't a precognitive dream! Don't often see floods around this are (although there is a full-blown blizzard outside my window as I write this!).
The water was greeny blue btw..
Thanks for your posts!
Rob
Mr Six, where exactly do you live? Is it mountainous, near sea level, etc.... ?
Mrsix,
I have to agree with Shaman's interpretation. My take on this dream is that you see the overall picture. In the grand scheme of things,most people do die from emotional issues.On a smaller scale, you understand less. The field may be your field of vision (you). You hear, but you either don't understand or not listening. You didn't respond to what the young boy said to you.The boy could be an aspect of yourself or a guide. Sister(s) is a familiar aspect of yourself (or selves). There may be a disipline or male aspect which rules in a stern manner. Toilet is a prop showing a matter about purging or cleansing. A possible change in a way your digesting information. There are sometimes physical manifestations due to these inner workings. This is a good thing! The name Harry will show up for you I bet.Better yet, you'll hear the name.
The way I understand it, lucid dream is awareness you are dreaming.It is thought that all dreams are oobes, I believe this.Some people think differently. [:)]
Hello again!
No_Leaf_clover :
I don't live near any mountains or sea.. i live in an old medieval town, a bit slopy, that's about it!!
Wisp:
Funnily enough, i also share the belief that dreams are OOBs..
We are tapping into the astral afterall...
Thanks again!
Rob
Wow wisp, you didn't notice that Shaman was completely wrong and you still say you agree with his "interpretation"... You guys don't give up do you? Dream interpretation is retarded!!! Dreams are literal, but you have to be aware enough to understand what it is you're saying to yourself with whatever imagery you conjure or whatever situations you're putting yourself in. Stop interpreting and start paying attention.
Kozzi
p.s. sorry, I just get tired of all this hocus-pocus bullcrap that new-age-pseudo-philosophers try to push. It really gives serious, objective lucid dreamers a bad reputation.
Oh yeah, and Mrsix, you had a lucid dream. Think about the things that have been on your mind in your life recently. Most of the time we start to think about something that interests us, but life matters get in the way so that thought goes on the "back burner" so to speak. However, just because it's not on your priority list doesn't mean that you're not still thinking about it or meditating on the subject. Meditation in this case means to simply run through an idea and to hopefully exhaust all possibilities. If that makes sense to you. These guys telling you about general object or scene associations are full of it. Again, dreams are literal representations of your mind. Of course, I can't prove to you that there will be no flood in your area anytime soon. And don't let the weirdos tell you that "Ah ha!!! A flood happened in Yemen today, that was it!" They're retarded. Try to make yourself more aware of your everyday thoughts. Try to become more aware... period. This is the key to lucid dreaming and eventually OBE. Trust me... I know.
Kozzi
kossi,
Language of the mind is a part of dreams. If you see them as literal, great!
Share some of your literal dreams and explain what your talking about. I find your explanations quite vague.
Trust you? I wouldn't.You insult people. You lack control.
There is this place called the real world. Dreams are integrated within more than one reality of consciousness. Whether you see it that way is up to you. I choose to let the "dream world" (your reality) integrate for positive and useful application in daily life. This is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure. How a person chooses to express him or herself in life is a right and a joy. Why is it important for you to judge and condemn others?
Are your ideas more valuble than anyone else? There is a time and place for aggression and criticism. Say what you want, but don't stomp on other people to make your point. I find your tactic offensive.
There is no right and wrong with dream interpreting. It's a different way of looking at things. It's not a signed contract, or written in stone! It's contact (and connecting with new ideas) which goes beyond the subject material. I think it can be interpersonal relationships and caring enough to expose oneself from both sides of the fence. A person who has a dream, knows if what is said about the dream sets right with them. I agreed with what Shaman said because it fit with me. If it didn't, I wouldn't have said so.
I don't mean to be offensive Wisp. I know it sounds that way, and please understand that I probably just let my emotions get too much in the way at times. However, I still think that the "interpretations" usually provided by a definate certain type, that you and Shaman have tended to portray in your responses, are vague. Vague general associations with events or objects in a dream are not very practical or applicable. Dreams are literal. They represent things that have been on our minds during our lives. With better awareness we can understand this, and then we'll learn that dreams are not meant to be purely symbolic. Dream symbology will become an antiquated device once we all learn to be more aware of our conscious and "seemingly" unconscious thoughts. Forgive me for my bluntness, but I'm simply being as honest as I believe you would want me to be.
Please stop making up stuff. It doesn't help.
Kozzi
Dream interpretation has been around for thousands of years in many religion (Egyptian, Jewish, Muslim, Christian,....), however what I am writing is from what I have read in psychology and psychanalyze. I am not interpreting and saying "This is what it is", but rather I am giving some common imagery such as "water represents purity in some cases and can also represent your unconscious", then I usually suggest the person to see where each thing fit for her/himself. If someone can take the basic tool of "imagery" (i.e. where things in dreams can mean something else very specific) then one can try to decode the dream for her/himself in particular. In any case I am not claiming to have the key to the dreams of people, I am just giving them some hint. They can agree or disagree, they can use it and maybe it will help them. That's all. I am not claiming anything. Read what is written and understand what is written. All what I write is not based on New Age things, but on psychology and psychanalyze and logical thought. If you dont believe in basic psychology, then fine, but remember that it is not a religion but a science, a science that has gone pretty far recently. A science that has helped people and saved others. If dream interpretation has been banished from some therapist offices, it is not because it does not work, but because it is too long, takes too much time and effort. Modern therapists preffer using a practical approach of first getting the patient back to normal life (back on the horse), back to a schedule onto which the patient can hold until he/she feels better. Often the propblem is not even found, it is just skipped over, it is forgotten, engulfed in the deepnest of the history/childhood of the person. ANd on the fragile top the therapist helps the patient to build a new life. Often the symptoms do not even dissapear, but they are now accepted as part of the life of the patient, not trying to disguise them or to hide them.
I can un understand kozzi's piont of view. I think you guys really go a little too far as far as interpreting is concerned, considering the fact that nobody really knows what a certain dream means. I think it's legitime do interprete dreams but please make clear that it is a theorie and no fact. Which is (in my piont of view) not always clear in shamans posts.
Hi t.
If by overboard you mean a comittment to something, I agree with you. I have the feeling however, you mean going too far on an idea, by chance there may be a misunderstanding or a dependency on a system.
Everyone has their own purpose and interests. If a person requests a review or a take of ideas on a dream, what am I suppose to say, "No, because some people are not in agreement of such practices?"
I somewhat get the point of what you and kuzzi are saying. There is more than one way to look at your point of view.
1. Overtly, there is a better way. Okay, what is it? Show me something.
2. Passivity is better than action.
3. It is better to keep these things unexplored.Some would classify this as denial.
I had someone tell me one time, "I don't want to know what my dreams mean." Wow! How exciting is this? I can't remember who said that to me, but it sure stuck with me as an attitude some people may have about their dreams. For this reason, I try to be careful not to offend someone who doesn't want the information. Those that do (want to know meaning of their dreams), also seem to have some of their own ideas on the subject. It's a sharing back and forth of these notions. It's not a formal thing, just a swapping in conversation. Some people never say here or there about their personal opinions on dreams, yet they will approach me and give me the full rundown of a dream they had. Sometimes they don't even wait for a reply. They go on about their business at hand. This didn't start happening until I myself began having regular/frequent dream recall. Strangers will even bring up the subject. One time I had as many as 5 people tell me their dream within minutes of each other. None of these people had no way of knowing I am interested in dreams (or, do they know?). Sometimes it's just the desire for a person to voice their dream.
An interesting observation about some dreams is that there is a certain "feel" to a dream.I believe this is the growth of intuition.Not all dreams have or need to be interpreted.Sometimes these subtle little feelings in dreams can be missed and overshadowed by placing a label or name to something. Could this be what you (or kozzi) are driving at?
It's kind of hard to argue on the subject since it's very subjective. My point of view is about as follows:
I believe there are different kinds of dreams that have different sources. For example there are causes when people dream about a flood and the next day their house is washed away by a flood. Now clearly in that cause water didn't mean purity but simply what it was "a flood" So I believe that there are dreams that are, what they pretend to be, and they need no interpretation. I also believe that dreams can come from different planes and therefore may need different interpretations.
Also consider the fact that every body is unique I don't believe that we can interprete dreams on a general basis.
Now I believe that sometimes dreaminterpretation may be right and helpful , there may come the day when I ask you guys for help to interprete my dreams.
But I think it would be more correct to say: "look I would interprete this dream as follows. If you can relate to that great, but don't forget it's my interpretation"
I hope I made myself somehow clear, I don't always find the right words....
THE INTERPRETATION OF A DREAM IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS: "AN INTERPRETATION". THIS MEANS THAT IT IS NOT THE REVELATION OF A TRUTH, NOR REVALATION OF THE REALITY: IT JUST IS NOT A REVELATION, but AN INTERPRETATION. IT IS NOT A TRANSLATION OF THE DREAM INTO SOMETHING MORE PRECISE. THIS IS WHAT "INTERPRETATION" MEANS. IN THE SAME SENS THAT THERE ARE MANY INTERPRETATIONS OF (SAY) HOLY SCRIPTURES, MANY INTERPRETATION OF (AGAIN SAY) THE PREDICTION OF NOSTRADAMUS (WHO WAS NOT EXPLICIT AT ALL), IN THAT VERY SAME SENS THERE CAN BE AN INDEFINITE NUMBER OF INTERPRETATIONS TO A DREAM. AND (FINALY) IT IS IN THAT SENS THAT I GIVE (ONE AND USUALLY EVEN MORE THAN ONE) INTERPRETATIONS TO DREAMS THAT PEOPLE POST HERE. IN MOST CASES IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE POSTING: TO GET THE DREAM INTEREPRETATED (SEE THE TITLE OF THE TOPIC). AND THE PERSON (MRSIX) UNDERSTANDS THAT THE INTERPRETATION THAT IS GIVEN IS NOT A REVELATION BUT JUST ONE OF MANY POSSIBLE INTERPRETATIONS.
AMEN!
Hi t,
If you ever look through the various dream books, you will see they contain various angles about dreams (same things you have mentioned). I've even heard there is a dream book using a science base. I keep my eyes open for it, but haven't run across it yet.There is always room for new ideas and discoveries. Any revelation would be welcomed by any interested dreamer I'm sure. You never know, it may take an oobe'r to make the break through (pun[:)]).
I used dream books when I first started studying my dreams.I have to say Carl Jung is my favorite, but dream theories have progressed to so many more areas since that time. My second favorite is the universal mind concepts. I'm careful not to use any one in particular. I have some other favorites in addition to these two.
I have a dream book which the author suggests sticking to only one dream book. The idea is that you can then get familiar with that dream book's symbols to help steer you toward using that book's symbols in your dreams.The author wasn't suggesting use of any particular person's symbology (just one that you like, and can use). This, I'm against. I would never want someone else dictating that sort of thing to me. That's why I'm careful not to put too much confidence in anyone but me.But, it is something that could be experimented with, if one is so inclined.
In a book on the universal mind language, it talks of white dreams (everything visual in the dream is white) being a dream on the mental plane. I found this true with my white dreams I had, even before reading this material. I'm not so convinced about the same author's theories on depth of color depends on how materialistist the dreamer is. But, the white dreams fits exactly to being on a particular plane to me.
There are different theories about how to tell a literal dream from a symbolic.
Here's another theory, dreams require a so called incubation time. I guess this is to mean, not committing yourself to anything about a dream right away.
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Also consider the fact that every body is unique I don't believe that we can interprete dreams on a general basis
Actually,I have personally had collective unconscious dream symbols. And I've seen these same symbols repeated in other people's dreams. These are even from people who don't know anything about Carl Jung's theories. Not only is the symbol in place, but so is it's collective use. This is not to say this is all there is, because there are mixtures of different kinds of dreams, just as you say.
As far as Shaman's statements being taken as gospel, maybe a disclaimer with each dream interpretation? That's why I recently posted the statement, 'Take what applies, leave the rest', or something like that.
Shaman: My point was that the fact "hey this is my interpretation" did not completly come across in your first posts. But I see now that you actually meant so, Never mind. And hey thanks for your prayer ;-)
Wisp: thanks for your explanations! What you're saying makes pretty much sense to me. I think we do agree. I just have problems if somebody says "thats how the world works, believe me" But I see now that you guys do not say so. Never mind
Wisp writes:
I somewhat get the point of what you and kuzzi are saying. There is more than one way to look at your point of view.
1. Overtly, there is a better way. Okay, what is it? Show me something.
2. Passivity is better than action.
3. It is better to keep these things unexplored.Some would classify this as denial.
My answer is that Yes!!! There is an overtly better way to use dreams. Typically symbology is used to disguise ignorance. Being more aware of the events taking place and how they specifically relate to your state of mind is how dreams should be used (not interpreted).
Passivity is the opposite of what I'm striving for!!! In fact, symbology and dream interpretation is a passive state of dream "observance" rather than participation. My goal is to become more aware. The more aware you are the more obvious it becomes that you are creating the world around you for your own purposes (in dreams and life as well).
Denial? I don't see where you got this. I live for exploration and discovery. You must not have meant this for me.
Kozzi
Hi kozzi,
Yeah, your right, I did throw in the denial possibility. And I did not mean you. You don't strike me as someone who has denial issues.
What about introspection? Don't you want this kozzi? Wouldn't you have a tendency to take things at face value with your way of thinking? I find dreams and looking into the subconscious has developed my intuitive abilities, and helped me understand other people better.
I can see what your saying as a one person journey. I don't understand how you make it work for yourself.
I don't see looking into the subconscious (unconscious) as a disguising of ignorance. Just the opposite, if you ask me.
In a world full of people, how many people look beyond what their programmed to think and do? Self empowerment is what a lot of this is about. Some people already have this. Many people do not.
Ignorance is a problem. However, not all these people are ignorant. Many have discovered a negative way of life to sustain themselves. They continue to bring about imbalance of the things around them.To me, ignorance means truely not knowing.
Symbols in dreams often represent blocks or things in the way of enlightenment. Those who want a better way will find it. The ones who set up their own system, only want it their way. They don't take responsibility for their contribution to lack of peace and harmony. This is not done necessarily on an overt level. Therefore, go below.
Looking at dreams through methods is not passivity. It is an active way of recognizing something. One has to recognize something before s/he can continue on. Your already traveling (action) on your path. Some people don't even know there is a such a path.
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The more aware you are the more obvious it becomes that you are creating the world around you for your own purposes (in dreams and life as well).
These are the people who I said have found the negative way of sustaining themselves. A person can go this way as easily as the positive way.Unfortunate for them,their surroundings fail around them.Eventually, they will be caught in their own surroundings, and down they go.It wouldn't matter if their intentions were good or not. Awareness begins in the recognizing the unconscious.
Wisp, I appreciate your enthusiasm. Unfortunately you and I are on different levels altogether. Have fun with your dream "interpretations". I'll no longer assault them any longer.
For the others out there that are reading this thread and are interested in a more "down to earth" point of view, I will continue with an example of how and why dreams are literal rather than symbolic.
I get tired of typing, but here's a small and incomplete precursor to my point of view:
Many great and wonderful miracles are said to have happened in our distant past. If you've read any great books of the distant past, i.e. the Bible, the Baghavad Gita, the Koran, Illiad and the Odyssey, etc. you'll understand what I mean. However, where are these miracles now? After the beginning of the "Age of Reason" and the advent of Science miracles have faded into our memories as "fairy tales" or myths. To look back on this, however, we can clearly see how the human mind has evolved into a more rational, objective tool. We no longer attribute mysteries to God or supernatural powers, but rather we study mysteries and learn how it is possible for them exist. Dreams and other seemingly unconscious activity are one of our present mysteries. For ages, dreams and the mystic "dream interpreters" created the myths and legends we still carry today. However, great archaeologists and objective thinkers are uncovering this mysterious past and shedding new rational light on these supposedly mystic events. Now Wisp, I know you're going to snip and cut little bits out of my last few statements and post it in a later revised version in your reply to me, but that's ok. I'm done with you. For everyone else: The "Age of Reason" is not an averting of the eyes from our mystic side. Rather, it is a real objective immersion into the truth about what we, as humans, really are and what we really can do.
What the hell are we? What is this experience we call "dreaming"? If you can truthfully answer that one I'll give you everything I have (and let's not have ridiculous new age, but actually re-hashed mystic garble from you weirdo "dream interpreters" as an answer.... get your own voice guys) sorry.... I said I wouldn't do that. Anyway, I have some bad dreams. I dream that I can't get away from pursuers sometimes and that my feet are too heavy and I just can't run fast enough. What does this symbolize? Nothing!!! It doesn't "symbolize" anything unless I'm not really paying attention. What it means is that I'm not fully aware at the moment. When you're having this type of deam, and probably everyone has had one, you're simply more aware than at other times, but not fully aware. We want to run faster, but we're only partially in control of our "dream bodies" therefore it doesn't respond as you would like it to respond. Nightmares are essentially the same thing. People tend to remember nightmares rather well. This is because they were basically lucid and yet in denial. After having as many lucid dreams as I've had you'll run into this every once in a while. I tend to turn faces into horribly twisted monsters. I like it for some reason (I know why, but I dont' have time to explain it), but it scares me at the same time. I'm not going to say anymore, because I'm tired of typing. However, if anyone has read this and had a flash of awareness or revelation please respond and I'll continue with more examples later and get more in depth on the subject from my point of view.
Kozzi
Wisp, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that I'm through with you. I welcome anything you have to say about this topic but please understand that I absolutely despise the typical mystic follower. I hate religion, and I hate dream interpretation. These things are ridiculous to me, because I followed them at one time and I now know that they are not helpful. Being objective and honest is such a wonderful tool. We all too often spout things we've heard from other people, but not enough of what we really feel or know. Watch yourself during the day. Be honest and notice how often you act as if you were in a movie.
Kozzi
You know what Wisp... I read some of yours and others responses regarding dream interpretation in other threads and I give up.
Hey rational people out there, read a dream interpretation dictionary and tell me it's not absolutely ridiculous. I'm wasting my time with you, Wisp and others like you.
Hey, the sheep are running away! You better catch up!!!
Kozzi
kozzi,
I've been thinking on a reply to you. It would be interesting to hear more of your opinions. If you have studied dreams at one time,you have something to offer about them.
Hello all!
Last night I had a lucid dream, and would be interested in someone's interpretation of it.
The dream started off with a flood (which was supposed to be a worldwide one of enormous proportions)..
People were going to die in this flood.
Myself, and a few others were lucky that we had this special ability... we could fly! And it was up to us to bring the people in our area to safety.
Now, at one point in the dream, I became aware I was flying, and it was at this point that it became lucid. I realised I was in fact flying across a field that is just down the road from my house.
I then thought to myself that it's possible i was having an OOB... so rather than just enjoy the experience of flying, i decided converse with a small boy i could see playing on the field.
I asked him his name, to which he replied Harry.
He then went on to ask me whether I was the caretaker at his sisters school. So I said "no....why?" and he then said "he's a really strict caretaker... always making sure the toilets are spotless!"
Fair enough! I thought... and then i flew off, and the whole experience faded, and turned into a normal dream.
Any ideas?? Lucid dream or OOB? (personally, i think lucid dream)
Rob