Collective entity?

[Logic]

Yep, its true!
Maybe you've heard of the hundred monkies project, where, onehundred monkies, were placed into isolation on an island and studied for a period of time. Whenever one monkey would develop a skill, say, cleaning mud off the potatos provided to them, the rest of the monkies developed the skill naturally without being shown. Same type of thing with a group of people who were tested using crossword puzzles. One day, the group of people who did the puzzles were given one day old tests, their score went up dramatically, atleast 20% per person.

The human brain is easily capable of telepathy, conciouss of it or not, as well as our brother speicies apes. Another reason for this is creativity. Dreams are also a great way to release the creative ideas stored in the brain, like ventalating them almost.

[MiStACoRn]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

Yep, its true!
Maybe you've heard of the hundred monkies project, where, onehundred monkies, were placed into isolation on an island and studied for a period of time. Whenever one monkey would develop a skill, say, cleaning mud off the potatos provided to them, the rest of the monkies developed the skill naturally without being shown. Same type of thing with a group of people who were tested using crossword puzzles. One day, the group of people who did the puzzles were given one day old tests, their score went up dramatically, atleast 20% per person.

The human brain is easily capable of telepathy, conciouss of it or not, as well as our brother speicies apes. Another reason for this is creativity. Dreams are also a great way to release the creative ideas stored in the brain, like ventalating them almost.

Actually.. I have heard of the 100 Monkeys Project, but it's nothing like you describe.  It's got nothing to do with islands or Telepathy.  As far as I know there's no scientific documented data that suggests Telepathy exists.   There's a Quantum Physics theory that touches on explaining Telepathy phenomenon, but that's about it.

Also, Apes aren't monkeys.  Apes share 98% of our DNA, and Monkeys share a lot less than that.  And although 2% may seem like a small amount, considering how complex DNA is, it actually accounts for quite a large difference.

I think what you might be referring to is the "Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon" though.  The original theory was to support Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious Theory, although when actual data was analysed it did this theory more damage than justice...

On the island itself (which was the monkey's natural habitat.  They weren't "placed" there), all the monekys who learned the potato washing skill (which was the only skill involved in the experiment.. there weren't "skills") learned from other Monkeys.  Monkeys that were not taught the skill before age 4 never learned unless they learned from thier own child, and adults who had never been taught the skill never learned.  None of the monkeys on the island developed the skill telepathically or naturally.  The phenomenon that you're talking about was that a differnet group of monkeys on another island developed the same behavior.  You should really investigate the source before you post something like this because a lot of your facts are wrong, and you're drawing speculations off of things that aren't true.  It didn't even occur to me at first that this is what you were talking about since you got the name of the Phenomenon Wrong, and your facts were so different from the actual experiment.

The part about the monkeys on the other islands developing the skill telepathically was never part of the research, and has a lot of evidence to suggest it was a hoax.  If you think a hoax could never be covered up so nicely, then I urge you to look up "Piltdown Man".  Also, keep in mind here, that all a human had to do was physically teach one monkey to wash a potato to forge these results and then make a phone call.  The scientists were "tipped off" of the monkeys on the other island performing the same behaivior, and this phenominon has never been repeated with similar results.

As for your crossword puzzle reference, it went more like this:  Subjects were asked to do crossword puzzles in the morning, and then another group of different people were asked to do them later in the day.  The people that did the puzzles later in the day got significantly better results.  Hmm.. see any confounding variables here?  How well does your brain function in the morning compared to the rest of the day? []

[shaman]

Mistacorn I believe you are correct. The monkeys cleaning up their potatoes was also observed in a zoo in Russia (maybe even the Moscow zoo). Where one had learned to come to the water to clean up his/her potatoe, all of the other monkeys started learning from him/her... I never heard of the island however, it might have been set up much later.

As to the original posting: well the brain is capable of such miraculous things... Sure in dreams you can experience things that seem so real and so fascinating. I do not know if all of them would be the same if experienced while awake, but the brain is good at giving you a hint of it, or maybe at giving you something for your expectations.

[Logic]

quote:As far as I know there's no scientific documented data that suggests Telepathy exists

Theres no scientific evidence towards dreaming or the mind either, they are believed to exist, but all that people can justify for that is personal experience. On the other hand, do a search on the stargate fbi files, theres more than substantial evidence built towards the existance of telepathy and remote viewing.
I wasn't 100% sure on the monkey thing, since I only heard about it once, but the crossword puzzle tests are correct. It has nothing to do with people given the same crosswords later in the day, the testw were based on different people doing tests that were done by different people the day before, the subjects scoring went up no less than %20 each.

[MiStACoRn]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

quote:As far as I know there's no scientific documented data that suggests Telepathy exists

Theres no scientific evidence towards dreaming or the mind either, they are believed to exist, but all that people can justify for that is personal experience. On the other hand, do a search on the stargate fbi files, theres more than substantial evidence built towards the existance of telepathy and remote viewing.
I wasn't 100% sure on the monkey thing, since I only heard about it once, but the crossword puzzle tests are correct. It has nothing to do with people given the same crosswords later in the day, the testw were based on different people doing tests that were done by different people the day before, the subjects scoring went up no less than %20 each.

Can you find me actual proof that this experiment was conducted with published results?  The only thing I can find on it came from a movie: Waking Life.. and well.. it's a movie.. even if it's based on truth it's still a movie.  I can't find any actual information on the scientist who conducted the experiment, or his results.  There's plenty of confounding variables to consider in an experiment like this.. and even if the 20% increase was significant (which it may have not been), it still doesn't prove anything if you know anything about statistics and scientific experimentation.  There's no validity.  If the study can be repeated several times with similar results, I might buy into it.  But I highly doubt it was or could be since I can't find any documentation on it anywhere.

People believe a lot of things, and that's fine.. but I will be picky when it comes to scientific data and real experiments that prove the existence of these things.  I know why I believe things, and if you're ok with believing in something you can't prove, then that's fine.. but don't try to justify something with false or inaccurate data.  If I were you, I'd be interested in the fact that I can't find your support to be true as well.  I wouldn't expect somebody to believe me either if I started spewing out data collected from "experiments" that I couldn't back up.  If you have found it, then please share a link.  What people have experienced is not scientific nor would it sway my belief.  What people "saw" or "experienced" is not only biased, but subject to personal interpritation and most of all completely unreliable.  I'm not trying to be difficult, and I'm very open minded.  I believe in the possibility that telepathy might exist, but unless I see proof or read data collected from a conducted and repeated experiment with the same results.. I won't believe in it just like any other scientist wouldn't.

I also searched on "stargate fbi files" and got a ton of science fiction links.  Nothing scientific and no experiments proving that telepathy exists.  Give me a link that's a published scientific document.  

We know the mind exists because we use it on a daily basis.  We know dreams exist because we all experience them.  What we don't all experience is Telepathy and Collective Unconscious.  Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, you're right.. but we don't have ANY concrete evidence that either Telepathy or Collective Unconscious exists.  None of the support you've offered towards its existence seems valid to me.

[jc84corvette]

MOON WALKING! That sounds fun! how did that go about?

[Tony M.]

I've had a few dreams in which I experienced feelings I never experienced before. Like riding a unicycle or moonwalking. I tried to unicycle before (in real life) but didn't have much success. A while after that I had a dream in which I could unicycle and it seemed so easy and natural to me. It's a really strange experience when in real life you are unable to normally ride a unicycle.

I had the same thing with moonwalking. As a kid I always wanted to be able to moonwalk but never came close. Then I had a dream in which I moonwalked and it was such a normal feeling to me. I felt like I discovered how to moonwalk, how to use your body.

I was just wondering how the brain is able to come up with these feelings if it has never learned them.

And it's the same thing with flying. How does the brain know what flying is like?

Maybe this could be some sort of proof that we are all part of some collective entity? That we are all connected and can share and learn from eachother on another level than we do in normal life?

By the way, I'm stoned right now...