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Regarding The Fear Of Sleep Paralysis In The Presence Of Unwanted Entities

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astral traveler

1. sleep paralysis is a natural part of astral projection.  the only way to avoid it would be to avoid astral projection also, if that's what makes you feel the most comfortable.  however, if you prefer to pursue astral projection, you will then have to combat the fear involved with sleep paralysis instead of sleep paralysis itself.  this is entirely up to you, and it's not my place to persuade or dissuade you.

i still experience sleep paralysis from time to time during my astral projections, but it's not something that i really fear anymore.  think of it this way.  the physical body has to go into a state of sleep paralysis before we can astral project.  we can't very well be out-of-body and moving around in-the-body at the same time, although we may still experience dual sensation at times if the energy body is still half-way in the physical body.  it sounds to me like you will have to combat your fear of sleep paralysis as opposed to the sleep paralysis itself, if you still wish to astral project.

2. unwelcome entities can be avoided by staying away from mystical experience altogether, or if one wishes to pursue mystical experience, purification of the psyche is then necessary to attain higher dimensional frequencies, wherein one will not be subject to nightmare-type mystical experiences or exposure to invasive lower entities.  this involves cleansing of the psyche in the sub-realms of thought, emotion and conscience.

~~ Astral Traveler ~~

Starvingpercussionist

There's really nothing to be afraid of, if you know how to control your emotions that is.
THE ANSWER PARADOX
The answer to all paradoxes shows this: "Reality contains logic therefore logic cannot contain reality."
The paradox here is "how can one know this is true?".

If the answer to one paradox is another then the question is the answer.

astral traveler

Quote from: Starvingpercussionist on November 24, 2008, 11:53:47
There's really nothing to be afraid of, if you know how to control your emotions that is.
very true.  emotive purification is also key.  if our emotions become corrupted with guilt and/or shame or with anger/vengeance and/or depression, then our psyches will drift into lower astral frequencies, where we may subsequently encounter lower frequency entities.  we may momentarily feel confident and comfortable in the lower frequency realms, until such time as we may become surprised at encountering a lower frequency astral entity.
~~ Astral Traveler ~~

Starvingpercussionist

I've heard that "demons" can't have any power over you if you aren't scared of them though.
THE ANSWER PARADOX
The answer to all paradoxes shows this: "Reality contains logic therefore logic cannot contain reality."
The paradox here is "how can one know this is true?".

If the answer to one paradox is another then the question is the answer.

astral traveler

Quote from: Starvingpercussionist on November 24, 2008, 20:25:13
I've heard that "demons" can't have any power over you if you aren't scared of them though.
some securities are illusion-based.  one must be walking in a state of consciousness to avoid being manipulated by outside entities.

for example, a person may be driving their car (not necessarily related to a demon, of course) thinking that they're absolutely safe.  but then a sudden car accident occurs, and they discover that their sense of safety was an illusion.  they were in danger without knowing it.  on the other hand, a person who is conscious of the dangers within the environment can potentially avoid disaster.  consciousness is key.

many of the demonic species are very much like the wild beasts of the earth.  if you found yourself directly in the presence of a lion, a crocodile or a shark, it is best to possess a healthy fear of them, so that you don't try anything too brazen with them.  encountering a demon may be likened to encountering any of these.  i sometimes refer to these dangerous beasts as demon species themselves, which exist within our own earthly material dimension.

resistance to lower frequency entities also requires the conscious circulation of higher frequency energies, and is generally acquired in a context of psychical purification.  if the psyche is not purified, our psychical resistances will wane.  psychical purification involves cleansing the thoughts of error via the light of truth and cleansing the emotions of pain via the light of love, coupled with the cleansing of the conscience.
~~ Astral Traveler ~~

CFTraveler

Dweller phenomena are not usually independent entities- most of the time they are your own partially projected double causing energy feedback, and the best way to get rid of them is to project towards them, not away from them.
I do this all the time and it works.

If sleep paralysis is a problem, wiggling my big toe always works for me, when I can remember to do it.

Starvingpercussionist

Quote from: CFTraveler on November 25, 2008, 09:28:32
Dweller phenomena are not usually independent entities- most of the time they are your own partially projected double causing energy feedback, and the best way to get rid of them is to project towards them, not away from them.
I do this all the time and it works.

What if they're not a double?  :-o
THE ANSWER PARADOX
The answer to all paradoxes shows this: "Reality contains logic therefore logic cannot contain reality."
The paradox here is "how can one know this is true?".

If the answer to one paradox is another then the question is the answer.

astral traveler

Quote from: CFTraveler on November 25, 2008, 09:28:32
Dweller phenomena are not usually independent entities- most of the time they are your own partially projected double causing energy feedback, and the best way to get rid of them is to project towards them, not away from them.
I do this all the time and it works.
certainly, we may sometimes create these, but how would you know whether this is always the case or not?  i believe that there are many astral entities within the astral planes, don't you?

QuoteIf sleep paralysis is a problem, wiggling my big toe always works for me, when I can remember to do it.
that's a good way, lolol.
~~ Astral Traveler ~~

astral traveler

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CFTraveler

Quote from: astral traveler on November 25, 2008, 13:12:27
certainly, we may sometimes create these, but how would you know whether this is always the case or not?  i believe that there are many astral entities within the astral planes, don't you?
Well, dweller experiences in sleep paralysis happen in the RTZ only, and you test by trying to project to it.  Like I said before, if it's a dweller you'll reintegrate to it, which is what's happened  every time I've done it.  If you're not separated enough to be able to do it, wiggle your toe, and you'll break paralysis.  Getting up and moving around is enough to make it go away.
The negative entities that I've encountered have never been in that state (paralysis), they've been in the RTZ after separation, and I've just flown away from them, no problem.  Technically astral wildlife that is talked about (as in the 'fluffing up' phenomenon found in wild animals) indicate this is a fear response- so projecting to them will cause them to go away when their bluff is called.
I know this sounds scary, but I've been projecting for over 40 years and I've never been hurt in the RTZ by a dweller while in paralysis. 
The only damage I've sustained in all that time is fear of the unknown.

astral traveler

Quote from: CFTraveler on November 25, 2008, 14:02:27Well, dweller experiences in sleep paralysis happen in the RTZ only, and you test by trying to project to it.
i'm sorry, but i'm not quite familiar with your terminology.  what is RTZ?  are you referring to 'real time zone'?  and a 'dweller' is a psyche-manufactured illusion?  i believe in the existence of these things, but i'm not necessarily familiar with some of the terminologies.

QuoteLike I said before, if it's a dweller you'll reintegrate to it, which is what's happened  every time I've done it.
okay.

QuoteIf you're not separated enough to be able to do it, wiggle your toe, and you'll break paralysis.  Getting up and moving around is enough to make it go away.
this typically works for me.  i often just try and start moving.  i really don't fear sleep paralysis like i did 25 years ago.

QuoteThe negative entities that I've encountered have never been in that state (paralysis), they've been in the RTZ after separation, and I've just flown away from them, no problem.
hhmm, i've encountered real entities when i've been physically fully awake (not even sleeping) in a context of clairvoyance/clairaudience, although i admit that i've never been harmed by them.

QuoteTechnically astral wildlife that is talked about (as in the 'fluffing up' phenomenon found in wild animals) indicate this is a fear response- so projecting to them will cause them to go away when their bluff is called.
okay.

QuoteI know this sounds scary, but I've been projecting for over 40 years and I've never been hurt in the RTZ by a dweller while in paralysis. 
The only damage I've sustained in all that time is fear of the unknown.
i've never been hurt by them either.
~~ Astral Traveler ~~

CFTraveler

QuoteAstraltraveler wrote:
i'm sorry, but i'm not quite familiar with your terminology.  what is RTZ?  are you referring to 'real time zone'?  and a 'dweller' is a psyche-manufactured illusion?  i believe in the existence of these things, but i'm not necessarily familiar with some of the terminologies.
RTZ=Real Time Zone
Dweller on the Threshold:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/dream_hallucinations_while_waking_upfreaky-t13284.0.html;msg104444;topicseen#msg104444
QuoteDweller type of experience- When you have separated but haven't shifted consciousness yet, and you are sensing with your physical body, you will perceive your energy body, interpret it as a threat, feel fear, and it will respond to your fear by becoming what you're afraid of. It can be anything from a 'monster', 'intruder' or whatever else you've thought about that can cause fear. This is also known as "Old Hag", and nowadays "Alien Visitation". For some mysterious reason that I've never figured out, a lot of these dwellers have glowy red eyes. Why? Maybe some kind of evolutionary thing (fear of nocturnal animals) archetypal in nature. But, this is just a guess.
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=7304&highlight=dweller

Another version of the dweller phenomenon is that which is described by Kurt Leland in his book  Otherwhere, where he describes it as an aspect of self (not necessarily manufactured by the psyche, more like manifested by a protective aspect of the Higher Self) in which the Dweller acts as a Gatekeeper that keeps you from projecting when it's not to your best interest (for whatever reason it may be).  The dweller here is an archetypal figure, and your experience with it may be 'negative' in the point of view of perception, but ultimately it is for an ultimately beneficial reason, be it protective or educational.

It is my personal opinion that all of the above are correct at times- that is that sometimes you get an energetic feedback effect, some other times you get the gatekeeper  (and I have had dealings with that one, and actually learned something from it, at the time, even though it was not fun) and sometimes it's a good (or bad) ol' fashioned neg.



astral traveler

Quote from: CFTraveler on November 25, 2008, 18:37:13Another version of the dweller phenomenon is that which is described by Kurt Leland in his book  Otherwhere, where he describes it as an aspect of self (not necessarily manufactured by the psyche, more like manifested by a protective aspect of the Higher Self) in which the Dweller acts as a Gatekeeper that keeps you from projecting when it's not to your best interest (for whatever reason it may be).  The dweller here is an archetypal figure, and your experience with it may be 'negative' in the point of view of perception, but ultimately it is for an ultimately beneficial reason, be it protective or educational.
okay, makes sense.  i believe something along these lines myself, although we may use different terminologies.

QuoteIt is my personal opinion that all of the above are correct at times- that is that sometimes you get an energetic feedback effect, some other times you get the gatekeeper  (and I have had dealings with that one, and actually learned something from it, at the time, even though it was not fun) and sometimes it's a good (or bad) ol' fashioned neg.
this boils down to my two original beliefs:

1. sometimes we create our own supposed entities.
2. sometimes the entities are real independent consciousnesses.
~~ Astral Traveler ~~