The Astral Pulse

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Originally posted by Hyperdimensional

Hi forum,

Everyone knows that when you have a lucid dream and you have the control any thing is possible... My question is next, is the lucid dream a paraise for perverts?, A pedophile can have sex with children, a rapist can do it with any females or males, an assassin can kill anyone, any type of pervertions are possible, what do you think about this?


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i think maybe it might turn into one, but i dont feel that perverts would have any knowledge of this stuff, besides even if they were perverts, they arent physically touching anyone, it is their own private dream land and only theirs. they can do anything thy want.
so ya you can say that perverts can go lucid and rape children kill people etc. i just dont feel its rght to do so in any way shape or form though.

thanx,
T_Kman0610

All is God playing out her/his desires and fantasies. To condemn one aspect's actions is to condemn ones self. To embrace all aspects is to become Whole again.

tkman i dont feel that perverts would have any knowledge of this stuff,

I'm a pervert *hehehe hehehhehehhehehhehehehe heheheheh hehehehe hehehheheheh* </stupid beavis and butthead laugh>

besides even if they were perverts, they arent physically touching anyone,

They could touch someone nonphysically.

it is their own private dream land and only theirs.

Some dreams have other real entities in them, sometimes human.



Lucid dreams are a paradise for everybody, including perverts.

During about half of my lucid dreams I get the urge to run off and have sex with someone, but only rarely do I act on it. When a dream gets lucid there is typicaly to much sort out first, and by the time that happens there is something within the dream that requires my attention as it pertains to waking life. Or I forget that it's lucid.

I like this topic to have a LOT of attention. Its a real great topic!

Possibly.

But since it doesn't hurt anyone, what does it matter?

If anything, it should be encouraged - doing something in dreams to dream figures is surely better than doing it in the physical plane to real people.

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But since it doesn't hurt anyone, what does it matter?
If anything, it should be encouraged - doing something in dreams to dream figures is surely better than doing it in the physical plane to real people.

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Go tell that to the poor alien victims!!! [:D][;)]  Joking aside, I really hope you are right when you say that it doesn't hurt anyone...  What if one of the victim is another dreamer/projector...?

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Originally posted by astralspinner

Possibly.

But since it doesn't hurt anyone, what does it matter?

If anything, it should be encouraged - doing something in dreams to dream figures is surely better than doing it in the physical plane to real people.

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I agree, perverts doing "it" in a LD is far more better than doing it in real life.

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Originally posted by Hyperdimensional

4. Then I realize any pervertion is possible, but this is sick, so I recommend you don't pervert too much.. I did the pervertions for experimental purpose only.

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HAHAHA !

I assume that the person doing the pervert stuff is the one that will get hurt the most, in a karmic sense.

I think there are much more rewarding things to do in a LD then playing out pervert fantasies. I would suggest reading some stuff about dream Yoga and things like that.

And if you don't care about that, what I assume you will:
Atleast you could try to be the woman next time (for experimental purpose only, lol). Or even be both persons at the same time (yes that should be possible as well).

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Originally posted by Hyperdimensional

 2.I had sex with my sister, just curiosity..

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adults only? Time for me to jump ship!

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Originally posted by Nagual
Go tell that to the poor alien victims!!!

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Hah! About time they got a bit of probing back, heh?

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James.

If your statements are true. which they might not be they say more about your present attitude than anything. I have also had a chance to live out some sexual fantasies but since they did not appear normal to me they ended the LD. If killing off folks and all the stuf you did did not wake you up I would have a serious question about you. No offence meant here. Maintaining a lucid dream requires a fair bit of consentration for me and anything that outrageous would in my opinion only be possible for someone for whom this behaviour is either natural or such a strong urge that it has been lived out in fantasies multiple times before
Regards MS

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Originally posted by Hyperdimensional

I don't expect you get impressed with this "healthy perversions", the sickest ones are for adults only, so I don't put them in this forum..


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YOU MEAN THERE ARE ONES SICKER THEN SCREWING YOUR SISTER?!?!?!?!?!?!?............. tha..tha... thats just bloody... i have no words....


im torn between if its a good thing for pedos or not.... on one hand its better that they get their kicks in the astral and not physically hurting anyone..... but on the other hand they might just get a stronger taste for it and maybe ideas on what to do in the physical..... so yeah i dunno

-Syke

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The Lucid dream is just a dream

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I just hope you're right...

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Originally posted by Mustardseed

If your statements are true. which they might not be they say more about your present attitude than anything. I have also had a chance to live out some sexual fantasies but since they did not appear normal to me they ended the LD. If killing off folks and all the stuf you did did not wake you up I would have a serious question about you. No offence meant here. Maintaining a lucid dream requires a fair bit of consentration for me and anything that outrageous would in my opinion only be possible for someone for whom this behaviour is either natural or such a strong urge that it has been lived out in fantasies multiple times before
Regards MS

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I disagree with you completely. People shouldn't try and sensor their dreams because they think they are doing something wrong in them. Just because you dream about something doesn't mean you are evil or a bad person. Dreams are outlets for subconscious desires and fears.

Don't judge others because they have the freedom to explore themselves in dreams. We all have animalistic desires even if we don't realize it.

Dreams are great places to off load negative feelings...

I encourage everything to dream freely and without regrets or worry!

By doing something "bad" you wont get rid of it, thats a missunderstanding. I don't see much sense in doing these pervertions anyway (What do you meany experimental purpose?!) other then satisfy ones lust. And I really don't that it's all positve.

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Originally posted by tombodenmann

By doing something "bad" you wont get rid of it, thats a missunderstanding. I don't see much sense in doing these pervertions anyway (What do you meany experimental purpose?!) other then satisfy ones lust. And I really don't that it's all positve.

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Your right your not going to get rid of anything but maybe you can explore why you are who you are and come to grips with what your motovations are.

To try and ignore/hide from youself isn't going to get you anywhere.

Well then that seems fine for you so what can I say. I look at it different. To me the more you fantasise about something the closer you come to living it out. That could be either sexual or other things. The fantasy can start to "drive" you and in the end become almost like an oppression, lowering you to the natural built in moral kodex of man, ....one day dreaming about it is not enough. That is just my opinion.
Regards MS

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Originally posted by Mustardseed

Well then that seems fine for you so what can I say. I look at it different. To me the more you fantasise about something the closer you come to living it out. That could be either sexual or other things. The fantasy can start to "drive" you and in the end become almost like an oppression, lowering you to the natural built in moral kodex of man, ....one day dreaming about it is not enough. That is just my opinion.
Regards MS

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HEY, I can see where you're coming from. I've never had any problems but some people would and will... To each his own.

Regards,
-Luke

Here's my opinion: Whether a action(physical action, thought, fantasie,dream) is good or bad is a relativ statement. However this action will create an effect for others and for YOU in the first place. Whether this action happens in the dream, LD, Astral, physical, Mind or somewere else it will have an effect on you and others anyways. If this effect is labeled good or bad is relativ but it's a misconception to think that the LD is a "world on its own". Of course it can be a great place to explore yout pervertions but not without effect.

Hyperdimensional you said:

"If you think a person is pervert by having pervert lucid dreams, you maybe the sick one."

doesnt performing a perverted act therefore make you a pervert... whether it be a perverted dream or something in the physical.

im not saying that sex in LD's is a bad thing, just perverted sex for peadophiles or rapists is. it'd give them ideas and fuel.
take this for instance, i might spend the whole day imagining eating a beautiful roast dinner that i know im having that night... and all through the day i keep thinking about it, just fuelling my desire for it... now if i had a lucid dream about it, when i woke up id be craving it like all hell... this might work the same for peadophiles.

and if im going to rob a bank (not that i would) the best way to go about it is to write up a plan and go through it in my head with every detail... now imagine how much easier that bank job would be if i LDed it... same with a rapist, they could lucid dream the whole scenario to get it all down-pat.

So everyone should be careful to not let their desires control them.
-Syke

Syke
You say it better than I . I am in total agreement hare.
Regards MS

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Originally posted by Nahaz

All is God playing out her/his desires and fantasies. To condemn one aspect's actions is to condemn ones self. To embrace all aspects is to become Whole again.

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1. You shouldn't say things about God that you don't know or true.

2. I wonder how many people have lucid dreams/fantasies about having sex with a member of their family

3. I thought you generally couldn't conrtol dreams, or is everyone psychic here and somehow able to?

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1. You shouldn't say things about God that you don't know or true.
2. I wonder how many people have lucid dreams/fantasies about having sex with a member of their family
3. I thought you generally couldn't conrtol dreams, or is everyone psychic here and somehow able to?

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No one knows anything to be true or false in relation to god so point one is kind of a bad point.

Point two? I'd say alot of people do but not many would confess.

Point three? It has nothing to do with psychic powers everyone can have lucid dreams. There are lots of books and information about the subject. It is simply a dream where you know you are dreaming.

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Originally posted by TheLunatic

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Originally posted by Mustardseed

If your statements are true. which they might not be they say more about your present attitude than anything. I have also had a chance to live out some sexual fantasies but since they did not appear normal to me they ended the LD. If killing off folks and all the stuf you did did not wake you up I would have a serious question about you. No offence meant here. Maintaining a lucid dream requires a fair bit of consentration for me and anything that outrageous would in my opinion only be possible for someone for whom this behaviour is either natural or such a strong urge that it has been lived out in fantasies multiple times before
Regards MS

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I disagree with you completely. People shouldn't try and sensor their dreams because they think they are doing something wrong in them. Just because you dream about something doesn't mean you are evil or a bad person. Dreams are outlets for subconscious desires and fears.

Don't judge others because they have the freedom to explore themselves in dreams. We all have animalistic desires even if we don't realize it.

Dreams are great places to off load negative feelings...

I encourage everything to dream freely and without regrets or worry!

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You summed it up.

What about people who may be having urges for these sorts of things and are fulfilling them in LDs to release the frustration of not being able to to them in RL?  People have a tendancy to write off fetishes and non-socially acceptable desires as perversions and deem the person who has them as "not normal" to seperate them from themselves.  Fact is.. all it takes is a little nurture or nature for you to become just like any of those people.  People go through things that you could never even imagine and it scars them mentally... and people respond by treating them like lunatics.  If somebody had cancer, would you treat them the same way?  Just because somebody has a mental disposition that makes them take a pleasure in a perversion doesn't mean they can control how they feel about it.. and fulfulling those pleasures in LDs can probably be very useful in taking the frustration out of RL so when an opportunity does come up that *will* effect RL.. they won't because they're not completely starved of it.

Also.. as for the having sex with family members thing and who fantisizes about it and whether or not it's "perverse".. I love how people just think that things are wrong but they have no idea why they think that way.  Not that I go around having sex with family members, (and I don't say that to seperate myself from those types of people.. but to avoid the negative social repercussions), but I do protect people's desires and fantasies to do it.  If you really believe that having sex with another family member is *wrong* and perverse, then I urge you to do some research and look up the history of incest and why it became a cultural taboo.  (and no it doesn't have to do with religeon, although religeon adopted the taboo and practically made it law).  Also.. if you think it's because their offspring will have 14 toes you're way off.  Pick up a biology book.

I certianly don't encourage hurting others or pedofilia.  But don't judge people who happen to fantasize or test their limits with stuff like this in LDs.  It's human nature to be curious, and it doesn't make them bad people.  They're only a stone throw off from you, and they also probably don't approve of a lot of your morals as well.  Plus some of these people don't even know why they feel that way or they have these urges and don't want them.. and they have to deal with that themselves.  Not that it makes it ok... but people who really have problems with these kinds of things obviously need help.. (and only because what they're doing effects and hurts themselves or others.. not because somebody else says it's bad) ..but don't judge a person for what he thinks or dreams about.  I'm sure if we opened up any of your minds and exposed it for all the things you've ever thought about doing or dreamt about you'd have a hard time telling other people they have problems.

Incest is  biologically bad, cause if the close family members have offspring there's a increased probability that defect genes will be expressed. Although it's unlikely that they'll have 14 toes, there's a increased likelyhood that the offspring is less fit than the average, thus will not survive. Not only did I pick up a biology book, I acually studied biology. So I recommend you read that chapter again! I think you missed a couple of things [;)]

I read it quite well.  This is only true if generations upon generations of brothers and sisters mate closing out the gene pool to any outside influence.  Do you know how different the genetic makeup of your cousins are to you?  The only way for this type of thing to happen is if you start somwhere and do not allow ANY outside genes to be passed on to the generations for about at least 10 generations before you'll start seeing biological effects.  i.e. - Two parents have a boy and a girl and they mate and have a boy and a girl, and they mate and have a boy and a girl.. not only would it never happen even in a world where incest was socially acceptable.. but the chances are extremely rare.  So you're right.. but you're arguing against a point I never made; that's not the reason why incest is culturally taboo.

I should probably also add that incest was taboo long before they had very many books on Biology or even knew what a gene was... so it really has nothing to do with the way our culture thinks of it.  Science helped to prove that under extreme curcumstances.. incest can increase the probability of defective genes and this only added to the taboo and turned into such rumers like "their kids will have 14 toes".. which is what I was poking at when I made that reference.. just saying it really has nothing to do with biology.  I wasn't being serious about the 14 toes thing. lol

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Originally posted by MiStACoRn

What about people who may be having urges for these sorts of things and are fulfilling them in LDs to release the frustration of not being able to to them in RL?  People have a tendancy to write off fetishes and non-socially acceptable desires as perversions and deem the person who has them as "not normal" to seperate them from themselves.  Fact is.. all it takes is a little nurture or nature for you to become just like any of those people.  People go through things that you could never even imagine and it scars them mentally... and people respond by treating them like lunatics.  If somebody had cancer, would you treat them the same way?  Just because somebody has a mental disposition that makes them take a pleasure in a perversion doesn't mean they can control how they feel about it.. and fulfulling those pleasures in LDs can probably be very useful in taking the frustration out of RL so when an opportunity does come up that *will* effect RL.. they won't because they're not completely starved of it.

Also.. as for the having sex with family members thing and who fantisizes about it and whether or not it's "perverse".. I love how people just think that things are wrong but they have no idea why they think that way.  Not that I go around having sex with family members, (and I don't say that to seperate myself from those types of people.. but to avoid the negative social repercussions), but I do protect people's desires and fantasies to do it.  If you really believe that having sex with another family member is *wrong* and perverse, then I urge you to do some research and look up the history of incest and why it became a cultural taboo.  (and no it doesn't have to do with religeon, although religeon adopted the taboo and practically made it law).  Also.. if you think it's because their offspring will have 14 toes you're way off.  Pick up a biology book.

I certianly don't encourage hurting others or pedofilia.  But don't judge people who happen to fantasize or test their limits with stuff like this in LDs.  It's human nature to be curious, and it doesn't make them bad people.  They're only a stone throw off from you, and they also probably don't approve of a lot of your morals as well.  Plus some of these people don't even know why they feel that way or they have these urges and don't want them.. and they have to deal with that themselves.  Not that it makes it ok... but people who really have problems with these kinds of things obviously need help.. (and only because what they're doing effects and hurts themselves or others.. not because somebody else says it's bad) ..but don't judge a person for what he thinks or dreams about.  I'm sure if we opened up any of your minds and exposed it for all the things you've ever thought about doing or dreamt about you'd have a hard time telling other people they have problems.

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Very good! I like people like you! You know whats right and whats wrong and you know NOT to judge.

..... I am mostly speachless for what some poeple are saying......
Think like this, When your LDing And another person enters that what if they are not Ld themselfs and you entered there dreams, Wouldnt they feel it, Fear it and control themselfs in there own mind, To Fear men from being raped or killed. Like if you killed your brother and your brother had the same dream that you killed him. Would alter poeple perseptions. To me anyone that rapes on Astral should die no matter if your mind or not your thinking of it and if you where to achie this in normal reality what would stop you? What ever you do in astral doesn't just effect you it effect other in the dream/plain itself. If i ever see someone rape someone in astral im gaon lugh when i torcher them!

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Originally posted by Foas

..... I am mostly speachless for what some poeple are saying......
Think like this, When your LDing And another person enters that what if they are not Ld themselfs and you entered there dreams, Wouldnt they feel it, Fear it and control themselfs in there own mind, To Fear men from being raped or killed. Like if you killed your brother and your brother had the same dream that you killed him. Would alter poeple perseptions. To me anyone that rapes on Astral should die no matter if your mind or not your thinking of it and if you where to achie this in normal reality what would stop you? What ever you do in astral doesn't just effect you it effect other in the dream/plain itself. If i ever see someone rape someone in astral im gaon lugh when i torcher them!

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...you're not on the same page here.

you're assuming that the mutual agreement prior to the debate would be that LDs can cross and effect each other.  I don't believe that... and from the tone of the postings and what people have said I would assume a lot of the posters on this thread  don't believe it either.. (if I'm wrong then I see your concern) ..but if that were the case then LD wouldn't exactly be an outlet for these people to vent their frustrations like we've been posting it would be.. since the repercussions would be the same.  I clearly stated in my post that I don't condone actions that hurt others.  What you're argueing is a whole other discussion in itself... and one I'd rather not dabble into because there's just not any hard evidence to support it... so it would be kinda moot to this thread.  Just assume that the basis for what I said anyway (can't speak for others) is that I don't believe anything you do in LDs effects anyone other than yourself.

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I would assume a lot of the posters on this thread don't believe it either.

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I don't believe in either way...

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I don't believe anything you do in LDs effects anyone other than yourself.

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I find it a little too easy to just state that.  To believe in something does not mean it is true.  Have you been always right?  Didn't you ever made any mistake...?  In the past, many people did believe in something that turned out to be false/wrong...  And then, they just said [:P].

I am not saying it is; I am not saying it isn't...  I am just saying that, if there is a possibility that it is, and until we know for sure, we shouldn't take that risk.  Especialy on such a dramatic subject.

"you're assuming that the mutual agreement prior to the debate would be that LDs can cross and effect each other.. I don't believe that... and from the tone of the postings and what people have said I would assume a lot of the posters on this thread don't believe it either"

I find that very strange assumption. It's a very pleasent assumption indeed. No worry whatsoever, so I can see why you guys like it. But after reading many posts on spiritual matters I came to very different conclusions. No things exist solitary, every thing is interlinked. So I can't understand your opinion on this question.

MiStACoRn wrote "The only way for this type of thing to happen is if you start somwhere and do not allow ANY outside genes to be passed on to the generations for about at least 10 generations before you'll start seeing biological effects. i.e. - Two parents have a boy and a girl and they mate and have a boy and a girl, and they mate and have a boy and a girl.. not only would it never happen even in a world where incest was socially acceptable.. but the chances are extremely rare. So you're right.. but you're arguing against a point I never made; that's not the reason why incest is culturally taboo."

I do not really agree with that. First of all it's not true that you need 10 generations until you see negativ effects of incest. Thats very easy to explain. If your family carries a very rare gene for a bad disease which is not dominant. Chances are remote that they'll mate with a nonfamilymember carring that very same gene thus nothing will happend. but if they mate with each other the disease will be seen after the very first generation. And what about the retarded people that are heaped in remote moinatin villages? One other point you should consider is, that it's nearly impossible to clearly locate the orgin of a culturally taboo. Just theories here. Although I do admit, that nonbilogical reasons maybe it.

I also belive in everything being innerlinked together. Otherwise How could telepatchy exist? For if u dont belive dream effect other i eblive you dotn belive in telepathy but if u dont that your oppion cant diss get angry at you. But if you do and you belive that Ld is not, i think you are wrong cuss you yourself beleive when you think of another person and want to feel them or talk to them or feel there feelings you yourself are TPing into there dreampool. WItch could tramities them in a way. I dont mean it like to bad to do somthings things but then theres some limits to me. Cuss ibelive that u can change someone oppion on you or make them fear you. But in a way they should if you do that

hehe.. my whole post was based on the fact that I didn't want to debate the whole interlinked dreams and whatnot.  I don't believe in any of it.. and we're not going to change each other's minds about that..  it's another debate for another time. [:)]  This debate is pretty much broken if we're not drawing off the same foundation.. which we're clearly not as I see now.  But.. my point is.. assume that I do belive that there's no negative consequences for actions in LDs.. then you can see my point.  Just like I said if we were to assume there were.. then I'd see yours.  Don't be so quick to shoot me down when right off the bat I gave you the respect to say that if you were to believe the oppposite on this issue, then I can see where you're coming from.  Personally, the way I see it is that there's no hard evidence to suggest they're linked.. and if they were.. it wouldn't be this elite world that only a few people knew about.  (I mean come on.. you people are discussing this on a public internet forum [:D])  Everybody would by trying to lucid dream, and you would have conversations with other people that they could remember.  None of this has ever been documented or proven.. it's just as futile as the whole ESP debate.  Many people will claim to have it, but whenever it was studied in a scientific environment it's failed miserably.

tombo,
  a few things.. You don't have to agree with me.  I practically took it straight from recent Biology and Anthropology classes and text. I think you may need to reread a few of those chapters.  I think you missed some things.  (Just teasing.. but I've also studied Biology and Anthropology in College. [:)])  Also, I didn't say 10, I said about 10.. meaning maybe 9, maybe 11, maybe 8, maybe 7 :)  And to make it clearer, I meant that after ABOUT 10 generations of inbreeding, the probability will be high enough so that you might be able to predict a defect.  Anything that happens sooner would be quite against the odds.  I already know all of what you're saying... however it's never been tested or proven.  It's unethical, and probably never will be.  I can however, support my statements that a biological defect due to incest is extremely rare with a little history lesson;  Cleopatra was the product of generations upon generations of brother/sister incest.  Yet every Egyption male wanted a piece of her unless they was batting for the other team.  She was beautiful.  Also.. some royal families in Europeon countries that ran Monarchies were NOT allowed to mate outside of their immedate family because it was feared that the outside blood would ruin the royal blood line.  As far as I know.. no defects...  In science theories are pretty much useless unless they're proven.. and the incest/bad gene theory has never been tested and proven.. and it's more so based on statistics and increasing probablility.  I could say that since I haven't won the lottery yet, the probablility of me winning it next week is higher than it was after losing last week.. but reguardless I still have an extemely slim chance. :)  That's what you're saying when you say "increased probablility".  It's simply not a fact.. just a speculation.. althouh there's been a lot of cases throughout history that's proven it to not be true.  It's easy to prove wrong.. hard to prove right, especially in your remote mountain developmentally disabled (not retarded!  come on!  let's be nice here!  it's the new PC word for retarded since "retard" became a common 5th grade insult [8D])  example because you can't really prove that their problems weren't a result of conflicting variables.. which.. let's face it.. if you're living in remote mountian villiages.. is quite possible.

also.. on the taboo issue.. let's go ahead and say Western Civilization taboo instead of cultural, since incest isn't taboo in all cultures anyway.  It wouldn't be fair to assume that it's universally taboo.  Just as it's unfair to assume that we have the right answer.  My point on all of this anyway is not to argue biology with you.  I can certianly support my statements if I need to.. and I admit we both went off on a tangant with that.  But my point is.. people often believe things without knowing why they believe them.  Incestual Taboo seems to be a common one of these things.  Most people will just say that it's because of the biological issues surrounding it, but if you really do the math.. if you mate with a family member you're not going to do any damage to your gene pool, and you're at least giving people the freedom to persue their happiness.  If two cousins fell in love at some point, or a brother and sister fell in love.. thier lives are now a living hell thanks to society because they'll never be able to be together because other people are so quick to judge and condemn based on a "biological fact" that really doesn't even apply.  Great going society!  Way to enforce those social laws that you have no idea why they exist in the first place!  That's my point.  People use extreme statisitcal analysis to justify telling people what they can and can't do.. and people eat it up without thinking twice because it works with the social norm.  I'll tell you one thing... if Incest WAS the social norm, nobody would care about the bilogical effects.  Because they're too rare.. and people have to live the way their community wants them to live or they're alienated.

Agreed. Just here to start a conrosation LOL, But what has been proven that is does nto exist?. There no sure way anything exists. Just from what we feel. Like Ld no prove it is just a dream eather how are oyu sure, no one knows hehe.

honestly... I have a degree in Psychology and I've spent a lot of time with issues surrounding the human brain.  Granted, there's a lot we don't know about the brain still, but I think a lot of you would be surprised if you found out how much we actaully do know about it and are are utilizing that knowledge.

I can't really write a book on everything I know about the brain and why I think the things that I do here.. because it really would be a book.  But if you haven't explored the other side of what you believe then I think you're robbing yourself.  I wouldn't be here right now if I wasn't open to exploring alternative explainations for LDs and what their purpose is.  I have yet however, to find anything to sway me towards believing that you can interact and effect others in a LD.  Like anything, this is easier to prove wrong then to prove right.  If there was anything to prove scientifically, then there would be tests being done.  Split two people 100 miles apart and tell them both to LD and go to the same place, have a conversation, and then wake up and log that conversation to two seperate unbiased people in each location, then match up the stories.  It's that easy to conduct... why hasn't it been done?  If it has, show me a scientific document with details on the experiment showing the results.  Not something on Simon the Schizophrenic's Home Page. [:)]

Just I was missing here to add oil to the fire...

Now, with all these postings I even forgot the username of the person who posted the original.... hyperdimensional ...

There is here an important point to draw the line: it is between normal dreams and lucid dreams. In normal dreams it might have happened to many people to have very weird dreams, involving incest, killing, or mutilating, etc... and these usually might appear as nightmares or as fun dreams, but they are dreams where the person is not lucid and has apparently no control, and where all the dream is "chanelled" from the unconscious part of that person. The lucid dream is different in that the person can (and here maybe it needs to be checked) have complete awareness that it is a dream and complete control (though as I said there might still be a large part of unconscious stuff coming up to the surface in the lucid dream). So in the lucid dream, the person say, whooow, it is just a dream, so let us try this and that. If the decision of doing things come from the conscious part of the person during the LD, then I would say that the person is aware of the things he is experimenting and this can certainly in a way or another affect him - I understand that one can fantasizes in his dream about having sex with a nice girl, but I do not understand how it is possible to fantasize about killing people...! even when you dream and you know it is a lucid dream. Anyhow, I believe that the main problem is that it might really affect the dreamer. The other problem that I see is that one day that person will be in the real physical world and will think it is a lucid dream and he will kill someone by mistake.

So, hyperdimensional, I belive you know that you are reaching the line when you experiment in your lucid dreams.

I just have one good thing to tell you HyperD, I believe that when you experiement in the LD, you actually interact directly with your unsconscious part of your mind. So that you have found a way to communicate with your deep self. And I believe that while in lucid dreams, most of your acts (sex, killings,...) are originating from your unconscious mind... so that after all you just are revealing your deep self to everyone here and also are discovering who you POTENTIALY are...

By the way, hyperdimensional, are you Ignacio, originally from Argentina, you look like him on your avatar..? and you speak (write) like him.

Wow MiS... you should write a book..[8D]
I have to explain one thing. English is a foreign language for me. So sometimes I use the wrong words, which may sound rude (like retarded) I don't mean to be, I just can't express myself proper. So please don't take me word by word.

Now on the incest matter: I basically agree with you Mi.... To be honest my main subject is enviromental science. I had my my biology classes 2 years ago. So I can't say for absolute sure how bad it is if you have a child with your sister, but it probably won't be the end of the world from a biological viewpoint. I don't wanna tell anybody what he has to do and if two people are in love and wanna be together, thats fine with me, no matter if their are relatives or not. Now on the question if it's natural to have sex with your sister, which I think was the starting point: I still believe it's not, but I might be wrong. One could now studie different cultures and also investigate how common incest is done by mammals but I don't have the time to do that. that might be interestning
Now on the question if LD are interlinked: I think you missunderstood me. I do not believe that if you kill someone in a LD that at the same time an other person is killed in a dream. there's no proove what so ever to validate that theorie. And it sounds pretty illogical to me. . As far as experiments are concerned I would not take the fact that the scientific community is not able to confirm something, if they are willing at all, to draw the conclusion that it's not true. Things like dreams, where the subconscious is interferring are very hard to explore on a scientific basis.  
The connection would be more suble.The obvious is for example memory.
You remember your LD and that will influence you. Lets assume you had sex with your sister in a LD won't you look at her with different eyes now? I meam you have  a degree in Psychology so you should be able to tell us the consequences. I'm looking at it more from this viewpoint.

Now to Hyperdimensional: if you are using your dreams to explore your true nature and working on problemes, thats all fine with me. But if you just think the whole day what pervertion you could try next and then just mindlessly carry them out, then I truely think your wasting your LD's.

Killing people in a LD for your first time is really scary I bet. well not scary, I mean to real!

And when Hyperdimensional will realize that reality is just a dream...  I will stay very far away from him!!! [:P]

Killing people in a LD leads to killing in real life would make a weak case in court![;)]

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Now on the incest matter: I basically agree with you Mi.... To be honest my main subject is enviromental science. I had my my biology classes 2 years ago. So I can't say for absolute sure how bad it is if you have a child with your sister, but it probably won't be the end of the world from a biological viewpoint. I don't wanna tell anybody what he has to do and if two people are in love and wanna be together, thats fine with me, no matter if their are relatives or not. Now on the question if it's natural to have sex with your sister, which I think was the starting point: I still believe it's not, but I might be wrong. One could now studie different cultures and also investigate how common incest is done by mammals but I don't have the time to do that. that might be interestning
Now on the question if LD are interlinked: I think you missunderstood me. I do not believe that if you kill someone in a LD that at the same time an other person is killed in a dream. there's no proove what so ever to validate that theorie. And it sounds pretty illogical to me. . As far as experiments are concerned I would not take the fact that the scientific community is not able to confirm something, if they are willing at all, to draw the conclusion that it's not true. Things like dreams, where the subconscious is interferring are very hard to explore on a scientific basis.  
The connection would be more suble.The obvious is for example memory.
You remember your LD and that will influence you. Lets assume you had sex with your sister in a LD won't you look at her with different eyes now? I meam you have  a degree in Psychology so you should be able to tell us the consequences. I'm looking at it more from this viewpoint.

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It's easy to answer the question as to whether or not incest is natural... sure it is.  It's our culture that ISN'T natural.  If you put any other animal into a room with it's relative.. whether it be a brother, sister, cousin, whatever... chances are.. it will try to mate.  This also brings up a good Natural Selective point.  If incestual mating were detrimental to a species, Darwin's law would have ruled them out by now... yet there's tons of species in nature that don't mind a roll in the hay with their relatives and seem to be doing just fine.  By natural I would assume you mean biologically natural.. and basically if you take away a human's ability for rational thought.. we'd be mating with our brothers and sisters all over the place.  So I would have to say that incest would be more "natural" than not from a biological standpoint.  Also.. no matter what you believe as far as the origin of our species is.. if you believe Adam and Eve were the first humans.. well then their kids mated with each other.. otherwise we wouldn't exist.  If you're an evolotion fan.. then if you trace our species back far enough, you'd eventually get to a point where it would have been impossible for us to survive without incest.  So if that's the debate... saying it's wrong because it's not natural.. I would have to disagree..

As far as looking at your sister in a new way after having sex with her in an LD.. eh.. well here's a little basic psych for you.. your ID says: "hey look a hot girl", your EGO says: "We should have sex with her because we're horny and that will satisfy us", and the Superego says: "What's wrong with you?  That's our sister, and our culture says it's bad to have sex with her, so snap out of it!".  What I'm trying to say is that.. if your sister's hot.. your sister's hot.. you'll be just as attracted to her than anybody else.  What you CAN do, with higher processing to cope with cultural law, is convince yourself that you're not attracted to her because she's your sister.  But there's no other reason why you wouldn't be naturally.

I also understand that you don't mean a literal linking of the dreams.. i.e. if you kill someone in their dream then they die in life.. that's a little too Freddy Kruegar even for these forums [:)]  But as a psychologist, I do belive that dreams are completely contained in your own brain, and you're the only one who's effected by them.  Most Psychologists don't give any merit to dreams as far as meanings go.  There was a psychological fad with them going back a few decades.. but for the most part nobody could really show any results one way or another.  Recurring dreams are sometimes explored in psychotherapy and can be useful, but other than that for the most part they're extremely random.

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so stop comments that I'll be confused someday and start killing people in real life.

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Where did I say you would be confused...?
In fact, I said the opposite; did you notice the word "realize" I used?
It means that you are confused right now... [;)]
It was just about the belief that reality is just a dream...

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And when Hyperdimensional will realize that reality is just a dream...  [:P]

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Can you explain that a little more in detail? How did you came to that conclusion?

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It's easy to answer the question as to whether or not incest is natural... sure it is.  It's our culture that ISN'T natural.  If you put any other animal into a room with it's relative.. whether it be a brother, sister, cousin, whatever... chances are.. it will try to mate.  This also brings up a good Natural Selective point.  If incestual mating were detrimental to a species, Darwin's law would have ruled them out by now... yet there's tons of species in nature that don't mind a roll in the hay with their relatives and seem to be doing just fine.  By natural I would assume you mean biologically natural.. and basically if you take away a human's ability for rational thought.. we'd be mating with our brothers and sisters all over the place.  So I would have to say that incest would be more "natural" than not from a biological standpoint.  Also.. no matter what you believe as far as the origin of our species is.. if you believe Adam and Eve were the first humans.. well then their kids mated with each other.. otherwise we wouldn't exist.  If you're an evolotion fan.. then if you trace our species back far enough, you'd eventually get to a point where it would have been impossible for us to survive without incest.  So if that's the debate... saying it's wrong because it's not natural.. I would have to disagree..

As far as looking at your sister in a new way after having sex with her in an LD.. eh.. well here's a little basic psych for you.. your ID says: "hey look a hot girl", your EGO says: "We should have sex with her because we're horny and that will satisfy us", and the Superego says: "What's wrong with you?  That's our sister, and our culture says it's bad to have sex with her, so snap out of it!".  What I'm trying to say is that.. if your sister's hot.. your sister's hot.. you'll be just as attracted to her than anybody else.  What you CAN do, with higher processing to cope with cultural law, is convince yourself that you're not attracted to her because she's your sister.  But there's no other reason why you wouldn't be naturally.

I also understand that you don't mean a literal linking of the dreams.. i.e. if you kill someone in their dream then they die in life.. that's a little too Freddy Kruegar even for these forums [:)]  But as a psychologist, I do belive that dreams are completely contained in your own brain, and you're the only one who's effected by them.  Most Psychologists don't give any merit to dreams as far as meanings go.  There was a psychological fad with them going back a few decades.. but for the most part nobody could really show any results one way or another.  Recurring dreams are sometimes explored in psychotherapy and can be useful, but other than that for the most part they're extremely random.

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On the incest matter: I see your point.
Do I believe in Adam and Eve or am I a evolution fan? Actually I do believe aliens created man. Do you know Erich von Däniken? Very interessting, but that would be a new discussion.
Are dreams only contained in the brain? That would be a new thread as well. I think a lot of people here don't think so, I myself am split about it. we should start a new thread to get their opinion as well.

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Can you explain that a little more in detail? How did you came to that conclusion?

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As you can read in my previous post, it was just about the belief that reality is just a dream...  It's not a conclusion; I am just stating that some people believe in it...

Hyper D,

Since it seems that you have so many LD and have much controle over having them and over youself there... May I suggest you to do another kind of experiment in your LD:

When you are LD, ask anyone in your dream if she/he can tell the future... you can ask personal questions or more general questions about some events in the news. I guess for the purpose of experimenting it might be easier to ask a question about something that will be found in the news. You might want to be extremely specific such as: "do you know when is the next earthquake that will kill many people in the world? in which country? "  or you might want to try something more in the politics such as "Is Saddam going to be caught? When? etc...". Next you can post that here on the forum, with the question and the answer and we will all be able to check that out .... and see if some people in your LD can tell you the future....

How about that kind of experiements?

Now remember that the dreams, LD, OBE easily come with symbolism, not straightforward...

Shaman,

I'll experiment with your questions in my next LDs, I'll ask any question about the future to the people there and post the results here...

Best regards

i think every one that has a lucid dream is psyco. no offence but it is what i think
sorry.

Thanks HyperD for agreeing to be an indirect subject of experiment.  

Let me tell you that once in a LD I decided to ask the stary night sky to tell me the future (the stary night sky looks to me like addressing almost God), and instead of an answer with words or pictures, the only answer I got was a feeling of fear engulfing me, as if either the future is going to be "awfull" or as if I had actually digged into my very own self back to some very painfull experience.... The LD turned almost into a nightmare. So well than in another LD, when I saw the stary night sky, I immediately look down to avoid looking at it or asking it any question....

So you might want to be ready for that kind of answer too, and I hope you will be more sucessfull than me.

Good luck!

Sheron,

A Lucid Dream is a dream in which you take conscious that you are dreaming... It is for those who can reach a higher consciousness... nothing to do with "psycho"...

I am afraid you have just make me become kind of grumpy ... watch out as I get upset I become big and green!!!!!

Shaman The Dreamer

ty for clearing that up but i still think that is for psycos

Future experiments

First attempt 20/10/03:

 I found myself in the middle of a battle type wc3 (war craft 3 The Frozen throne, I start playing this game 2 weeks ago)and someone told me in the LD I'll wake up about 6:00pm, I took a nap about 2:30pm, suddenly I wake up and see my phone watch, it was 5:58pm, end of first experiment.


Best regards

What you guys try with the future experiment is cool. I had the same kind of experiments in mind when I started my "help me explore the dreamworld" thread. It would be cool if you guys could use that thread for the experiments, cause it would be a more clear arrangement then, for other to follow. But never mind it's not so important

Future experiments

Second attempt 10/22/03:


  In the LD I saw 2 huges armies, 1 female had 1 army and 1 male had the other army, both were involved in a relationship, Suddenly both armies mix and one (the male) of them betrayal the other taking both armies.

 
Best regards

Thanks Hyper D.

that needs to elucidated/interpretated...

What color were dressed both the male and femal? Was there any special characteristics? such a mustash, glasses, etc.... What were they looking like? Asiatic, Europeean, American, etc...

And the armies, what color were their uniform? Did they have the same uniform? What weaponery did you see there?

What was the background like? Mountain, desert, forest, streets? ..etc..? What was the weather like? hot and dry? cloudy, rainy, snowy?

You need to go into the detail so I can try to elucidate with your help...

Thanks again!

Shaman,

 

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What color were dressed both the male and femal? Was there any special characteristics? such a mustash, glasses, etc.... What were they looking like? Asiatic, Europeean, American, etc...

And the armies, what color were their uniform? Did they have the same uniform? What weaponery did you see there?

What was the background like? Mountain, desert, forest, streets? ..etc..? What was the weather like? hot and dry? cloudy, rainy, snowy?

You need to go into the detail so I can try to elucidate with your help...

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The same night I have other 3 LD, I only can remember that the background was desert, hot and dry, no clouds, very similar uniforms..


The future experiments in LD are new for me, I'll try to focus more in the experiment and put more atention in the details, also I'll try to ask people about future, but sometimes in the LD you only see kids normal people and familiars, so you don't know if they could give you a good answer about future, well I have to ask their first and then analyse results..


Best regards

Hey HyperD, you seem to have a LD pretty often. is there any certain methode you use to become lucid or are you just talented?
thanks Tom

Hi HyperD,

the background sounds like the conflits in the middle east. It could be a military aliance but between who and who. It seems sure that if the uniforms are colors of sand, then we are talking about US troops in Irak. There is sure not enough details to inteprete correctly. The only sure thing is that it represent a military aliance where one leader will eventually leads his ally (troops) into something that she does not want. The alliance could be for example the british troops and the US troops in Irak... or even the Israeli troops attacking Syria with the accord of the US and then what was the betrayal in the dream could be the fact that the israeli army cannot do as it pleases for example. ...

It just too vague at this time, but it is an interesting experiment.

You can try just to ask the questions in the dream even if there is nobody.... we are there to explore and we do not know how "flexible" a lucid dream can be.

But only do what you feel confortable with. Let me know if anything "uneasy" happens (as in my LD with the night sky and the fear).

Cheers!

Shaman,

In other LD I recognized British and Iran "words" thinking about the experiment of the betrayal..

Future experiment

10/23/03

During the LD, I saw a school bus that will have an accident probably by a fail of the brake system, hitting other cars. Lately in the same LD I saw a Tv screen with some entities (5 or 6) talking about future events, the minds were talking about the school bus accident, but when I asked for more future events, only one entity stayed in the Tv screen, the others left, and the entity transform into a type of demon or a ghost but didn't give my an answer to the future that I could interpret. End of experiment.

Best regards

Thanks for the details.

Well then we'll have to see what is hapening in the middle east with British (troops) and Iran. Since Iran is not in the conflict right now but only at the negotion table for its nuclear potential threat, we'll have to see if this could go into involving British troops in  a conflict again Iran or something similar... This is a very long term issue that could take years...

Your last experiement is more the kind of things I have experienced in some premonitory dreams: straightforward... Did you happen to see the school bus? Was it a yellow bus like the ones in the US? That would be very easy to verify in the news. If it is a little accident then we will not hear of it (only in local regional news), but if there are fatalities and injuries then we'll hear about it even if it is in Alaska. For it to be premonitory it has to happen within a few days, otherwise the statistics are that you can always wait enough time for such a "common" event to happen, since these happen pretty often.

Maybe as a first trial you should only "listen" to these entities talking about the future to get as much info as possible without disturbing them... It seems as intruding into their discussion made them stop, exactly the opposite than what we wanted.

On my side I only have regular dreams these days, really nothing special. Last night I met with Jerry Seinfeld in the dream... funny!

Cheers.

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i think every one that has a lucid dream is psyco. no offence but it is what i think
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You don't really need to apologize.. It's kinda hard to take offence to somebody who doesn't seem to know what they're talking about in the first place...

Assuming that this post wasn't just to inspire flames, I would challange you to back that up, and explain what you mean by "psyco".  I have a hard time believing you've got a grasp on the definition of a word that you don't know how to spell.

Halloween perversion, mutilation and punishment.

I found myself in a dream very strange, first of all I have mutilate my own genitals and after that I realized that
it was a dream and start the LD, the scenary was a school with a lot of students, I kick one student badly and he told
me if I could give him my face to punish me only for a few minutes, I agree, I come back for my face and surprise my face was
really punish a lot, I had my own mask for Halloween, the students were laughing at me for my face and for my mutilation of genitals,
then with this situation I didn't feel fine so I decided to wake up, after I wake up I return to other LD but without mutilation or punishment,
only normal LD with no killing and no perversions..

Best regards

Don't worry, mutilation of genitals, as well as incest, and killing happen quite often in normal dreams. So as long as that in dreams, and not LD or OBE, that's fine. It is not very pleasant for sure. But i believe it happens to almost everyone, if only they could remember their dreams. These have meaning in psychology. The most common recurring dream that people have is actually even as silly, it is (in the dream) to look for a bathroom (toilet) and that the bathroom cannot be used, it is either durty, or filthy, or flooded, etc.. and the need to look for more bathrooms then take over in the dream, where there is a whole set up of an expedition which is to look for a bathroom.... the meaning of it is that the unconscious part of the person is telling that peron that she/he has to get rid of something in her/his life, and the way to get rid of things is to go to the potty  (in dream language). I got all that kinds of stuff in dreams, the thing is to remember the dreams.

Shaman The Dreamer

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Don't worry, mutilation of genitals, as well as incest, and killing happen quite often in normal dreams. So as long as that in dreams, and not LD or OBE, that's fine. It is not very pleasant for sure. But i believe it happens to almost everyone, if only they could remember their dreams. These have meaning in psychology. The most common recurring dream that people have is actually even as silly, it is (in the dream) to look for a bathroom (toilet) and that the bathroom cannot be used, it is either durty, or filthy, or flooded, etc.. and the need to look for more bathrooms then take over in the dream, where there is a whole set up of an expedition which is to look for a bathroom.... the meaning of it is that the unconscious part of the person is telling that peron that she/he has to get rid of something in her/his life, and the way to get rid of things is to go to the potty  (in dream language). I got all that kinds of stuff in dreams, the thing is to remember the dreams.

Shaman The Dreamer

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There's no universal meaning for dreams in Psychology.  It all depends on the person.  Usually only recurring dreams can be made out to mean something in relation to the person's life.  Your toilet exapmple could be true for one person, but not for another.  The hard part is.. it's all post-hoc speculation.  You can pretty much relate anything to anything if you try hard enough.  Most psychologists don't think dreams mean much and pay little attention to them unless they're recurring.  Don't get me wrong, some devote their lives to it, but it often doesn't bring about concrete enough results to merit them as unconscious messages.  If it did it would simply be studied more and there would be manuals and data to reference, but all you'll find out there is theories.  The patterns that people have tried to latch on to and form theories about usually pull up coincidence and random when retested.

The exact meaning of a dream is very much specific for a spcific dreamer, but there are things that can be said in general from which and especially about symbolism. There are patterns that come back in every dreamers and seem to be general... dreaming of a wild animal running after you is often a nightmare due to problem of digestion (heavy dinner, etc..); the bathroom dream is another one; In general they have a meaning, but the details and 'exact' meaning depends from dreamer to dreamer. These symbols can be used by the dreamer/psychologist team to find the exact meaning for a dreamer, they are like helping tools. The toilet person is true for many people, however what exactly the person needs to get rid of depends on the specific situation. It might not be true for some people, but it is the first "best guess" from which to start when one wishes to interpret and understand her/his dreams.

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The exact meaning of a dream is very much specific for a spcific dreamer, but there are things that can be said in general from which and especially about symbolism. There are patterns that come back in every dreamers and seem to be general... dreaming of a wild animal running after you is often a nightmare due to problem of digestion (heavy dinner, etc..); the bathroom dream is another one; In general they have a meaning, but the details and 'exact' meaning depends from dreamer to dreamer. These symbols can be used by the dreamer/psychologist team to find the exact meaning for a dreamer, they are like helping tools. The toilet person is true for many people, however what exactly the person needs to get rid of depends on the specific situation. It might not be true for some people, but it is the first "best guess" from which to start when one wishes to interpret and understand her/his dreams.

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ok.. that's better [:)]  I just have a hard time with people posting things like they're facts.. which seems to be a common trend on these forums.. it may seem like nitpicking, but if you really think about it.. people form their collective knowledge based off things they pick up and read.. and then most often they forget the source.  It's called the "Sleeper Effect".  The problem with this, is by you making a declaritive statement about something that isn't always true.. it causes people to regurgitate it as a hard fact later on.. then causes those people to regurgitate it similarly.. ect.. I just think people should watch the way they phrase things.  Much better said the second time around and I completely agree.

Future experiment

10/25/03

Search for Saddam,

Where is Saddam?, I received images of saddam in Palestina territory, hide maybe in some canyons there for 13 days maybe, end of experiment.

Nagual,
Do you use glasses and are little fat?, if not I need to improve my technique..

Best regards

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Nagual,
Do you use glasses and are little fat?, if not I need to improve my technique..

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Hum... I am afraid no and no...
Are you trying to sneak into my dreams for some more experimenting...? [|)]

I would assume that any perversion-oriented activity would call for very emotional conduct which would pull the perpetrator quickly back into his physical body, thus effectively ending the attack.

Some guys can torture and kill in reality without showing any emotions... so, in dreams...

Hyper D,

thanks for your posting. There is no way Saddam can physically go to the palestinian territories, the area is too well guarded by the israeli army... however, it might just indicate that Saddam is financially supporting the palestinians, and maybe even some of the groups that make all these attacks.

Cheers.

Can we bring back stuff from dreams?

Next time you program a dream tie a small bag to yourself. In your dream find a stone or some object and put it in the dream-bag with the intent to wake you up with it.  Let me know if you could do this so I can sell you on a circus!!!lol, or we could get some free gold and be all rich!!!

Old sorcers could do this, and then they killed them each other for having this objects that gave them tremendous powers...

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my 2 cents,

perversion(not sexuality) is bad for the soul, acted out or just thought about (thought about with desire to commit the acts)

Hyper D,

Dreams are not a waste of time... by analyzing them you can understand your own self better. It is entirely normal to have dream with sex, incest, etc.. these are pulsions from your deep self, and that deep self does not know about rules but only about desirs and passions....

In your last lucid dream, your sister appeared to you all by herself, it is not that you make her appear at will, she just pops up like that and calls you. And that's when you decide not to go. Well that's fine that she  is calling you. She  represents the sexual pulsion that is in you, whether it is really toward your sister or not is another story and is not so important. It just means that you probably need a female presence next to you in the physical world (to put that in a nice language). Here the message is clearly a sexual pulsion that needs to be satisfied. This is the reason of this particular dream. Now lay  down and relax and let other dreams (whether lucid or not) come up and try to understand them as pulsions (desirs from deep inside yourself that do not know about rules, laws,...). Try to find what each dream situation represents, what kind of pulsions or what message. Often the message comes in pictures and is not straight. You need to analyze it and understand it in the context of your life. You can always post them here and people will try to help. Of course there are no professionals here and maybe you don't want to expose your personnal life here on the forum. Though it is actually very easy, as most of us are here as anonymous (incognito).

Cheers,
Shaman The Dreamer

Shaman,

I really don't know if I'm doing right or wrong stopping the perversions LD, but for me it's the end of experiments, I want to grow my AP to a higher level, I feel that perversions are for the lower levels..

Today I receive an interesting offer of an author of AP books to be a guest in his advance course of AP people, of course I accept the offer, I'm waiting for a response..

Best regards

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Can we bring back stuff from dreams?

Next time you program a dream tie a small bag to yourself. In your dream find a stone or some object and put it in the dream-bag with the intent to wake you up with it.  Let me know if you could do this so I can sell you on a circus!!!lol, or we could get some free gold and be all rich!!!

Old sorcers could do this, and then they killed them each other for having this objects that gave them tremendous powers...

                                            Ensoñador
 

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Really?

Hi,

Relevant projection of last 3 days, what I learned,

1. In the first day I see myself as an entity that vibrates with light, I also see another entity that not emit any light or vibrates, it was expecting astral sex with me but I refuse immediately.

2. The next day I see myself as part of 2 independent things, 1 of them was the physical part and the other the non-physical, I could see both and the importance of each in the process of projection.

3. Today, I project to a site where people are death, I could see people live around but they can't see the death people around them. Then after I see one of the died person (I could see like a soul but can't see his/her face) I salute and the soul also salute,after that then I was sure that the soul saw me. I don't have fear, I know the experience was strange but in the scene 2 people for some reason I know are death suddenly appear, both salute me as if they were alive, I salute them also, I have some questions for the world I discovered, are you death people? A: yes, when you die you come to this place, this place is huge, don't worry, friends are waiting here, I see you salute people here and then we know you could see us so we are here to talk with you.

We were talking about them and the other souls, they told me that they were happy in that place, the place I saw was like a dessert with some little trees, it seems huge, Are bad people here? A: yes, but they can't do to you nothing because we are protecting you, don't worry. I did the next cuestion because I felt that world had some dangers, What happen if you die again? A: nothing, I am eternal now, I can't die again.

Then I were thinking in Nagual experiments in that moment so I did my last question to them, what do you know about future?, One of them told me that an important war will happen soon, the other said every war is important.

In the last part of other experience I saw a name of a street with the name of a spirit. Could it be the name of my guide?

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But since it doesn't hurt anyone, what does it matter?
If anything, it should be encouraged - doing something in dreams to dream figures is surely better than doing it in the physical plane to real people.

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Go tell that to the poor alien victims!!! [:D][;)]  Joking aside, I really hope you are right when you say that it doesn't hurt anyone...  What if one of the victim is another dreamer/projector...?

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So you're saiyin, that there is a possibility that the "Lucid Dream World" is another dimension and that u can meet other peeple like a friend of yours who is having a LD at the same time?

Yes, I said "what if"...  Some people claimed to have met in lucid dreams...  So either they said the truth and it is possible, or they lied and it isn't...  Until I can do it, it will just remain a possibilty.

Hi forum,

Everyone knows that when you have a lucid dream and you have the control anything is possible... My question is next, is the lucid dream a paradise for perverts?, A pedophile can have sex with children, a rapist can do it with any females or males, an assassin can kill anyone, incest, any type of pervesions are possible, what do you think about this?

The future and LD is a new experiment I am trying to do, If you are doing the same post your results here..

Best regards