Does anyone know of a dream being lethal on the gross platform?By "gross platform" I meant on this physical plane. How about one being influenced by subtle beings into committing a violent act such as suicide?
Being lethal on the what?
If you're asking if anyone has ever died as a direct result from dreaming?
I doubt it.
~Ryan :)
i'm confused on the gross platform bit too.
i've died in a dream and didn't die.
i was a woman and i was in a war. i got fatally wounded but wasn't dead yet. i was begging people to kill me but no one would, finally someone shot me in the head. everything just went black and i spent what felt like years just existing in nothingness.
if dreams could have that powerful of an effect to a mentally healthy human I'd have been physically dead long ago.
I think violence and death in dreams can be ways of working through subconscious issues we don't want to face in daily life. Death is normally a symbol of an end to something, not necessarily life.
Well first of all we are infinite perfect beings we cannot die.(our bodies can)
Nothing dies it just changes it's state or/and form.
So I'm not afraid of death.
I've had "lethal dream's" but didn't die.
@ stookie: it's like the death card in tarot doesn't mean death, the tower does.
Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 19:53:38
i've died in a dream and didn't die.
Me, too. I've been hunted down by various bad things (hired hitmen, Nazis, assorted nightmare monsters, etc.), I've been shot, I've been put in an electric chair, I've had a heart attack, and I've just died and left my body for reasons that weren't clear (but I knew I was dead), and, well, I'm still here.
I've also had more than one dream where I was actually a ghost, but some of them might have been just non-lucid projections.
How this might or might not pertain to the OPs question, I don't know. Apologies if it's way off the mark.
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 06, 2010, 16:27:14
Does anyone know of a dream being lethal on the gross platform?By "gross platform" I meant on this physical plane. How about one being influenced by subtle beings into committing a violent act such as suicide?
Ha ha gross=dense. I just made a comment about that type of categorizing in another thread.
I have read many accounts of people who have all kinds of 'overshadowing' problems in which they are mentally tortured, but none I can remember that tried to manipulate a victim into committing suicide. This is because if they did die, the perpetrators would be denied their 'emotion' feed.
So, I have to say no.
Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 19:53:38
i'm confused on the gross platform bit too.
i've died in a dream and didn't die.
i was a woman and i was in a war. i got fatally wounded but wasn't dead yet. i was begging people to kill me but no one would, finally someone shot me in the head. everything just went black and i spent what felt like years just existing in nothingness.
wow years? were you in a coma or what? when i get shot in a dream thats usually about it. wakey time
The thrust of my search is to find meaning to the recent suicide of my son. His wife said that he had a dream during the night that was very disturbing. In fact he was in a pitiful state and crying when she left to take their son to school, when she returned she found him in the kids room, he had hung himself. I had just talked to him the night before and he was in great spirits as we talked about an upcoming vacation we had planned for June. Among his belongings was an astral projection book by Robert Bruce. His wife said that he was interested in the subject and had tried doing some of the exercises. The grief I feel has not subsided and I know that perhaps this is just a futile attempt to find some reason for a seemingly heathy and happy father, husand, son to snap so mysteriously.
I'm so sorry for your loss. :(
I used to be quite seriously depressed and suicidal (many years ago). During that time, I had a LOT of nightmares, usually involving demons. These dreams were expressions from my subconscious self, trying to communicate with me, telling me that I had "demons" I needed to address (i.e., I had issues that were troubling me). I didn't understand that at the time, but in retrospect I see this is at least a good part of it.
If your son had a troubling dream, it may well have been a similar situation. Possibly he had issues going on that he wasn't able to acknowledge in his waking life, and the dream starting to bring them forward.
I honestly don't know. I can say that I am truly sorry for your and your family's loss.
Oh my God,
my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.
I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.
People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.
I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.
God bless you!
Quote from: geass on May 15, 2010, 10:05:47
Oh my God,
my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.
I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.
People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.
I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.
God bless you!
Really?
That's the kind of thing that scares people away from exploring their consciousness.
Quote from: geass on May 15, 2010, 10:05:47
Oh my God,
my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.
I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.
People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.
I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.
God bless you!
hi there, I knew you'd be back :-D
Quote from: soli on May 15, 2010, 11:51:02
hi there, I knew you'd be back :-D
Lol Hey there,
I just wanted to see if someone replied. But you are right I like this forum.
I don't want to convert anyone but I strongly believe many MANY vivid dreams come from God and have meanings, warnings and prophecies. I will make it clear in my replies. Many dreams have symbolic meanings pertaining to a person's personal life.
I just want to post my take on it and if people don't want to consider it then it's okay.
God bless
Quote from: personalreality on May 15, 2010, 10:28:04
Really?
That's the kind of thing that scares people away from exploring their consciousness.
Hello,
Yes you are right and honestly I think it should scare people. We are opening ourselves to the unknown spiritual realm by thinking it is just a game.
If people don't believe in God and want to keep exploring, you probably should not read the following:
There are rules to the spiritual realm and we have to be strong in God if we want to explore the unknown because God is in control. I believe we have spiritual hedges around us and these hedges are normally closed and God does not permit spirits to go in. However if we have some serious sin which is in control in our lives, these hedges can be allowed to be opened by God and then we are exposed to evil spirits roaming inside of us. This is why we get addicted to some form of sin, it's because we opened our protective spiritual hedge around us and allowed something to go in. If we don't repent and rebuke these spirits, they can destroy us. We should explore but if one's life is not in harmony with God, and one is not strong enough these games can become pretty dangerous.
Don't you think panchajanya is serious about what he told about his son??
Do you think it was just a coincidence?? His son's wife saw him after he had that dream, didn't she? His father knows he was feeling pretty good the day before, didn't he? If a demon really got a hold of him when he was just exploring, don't you think people should be scared??
I do. But Hey this is just me.
God bless!
:roll: :evil:
too much man.
too much.
Quote from: personalreality on May 15, 2010, 16:29:07
:roll: :evil:
too much man.
too much.
Yeah I guess someone comitting suicide is not important. huh??
Geass, You and I think alike, I've always heard of the dangers of the astral world and of powerful ghosts, if you will, that inhabit the darker regions of that world. In the Vedas there are stories of powerful ghosts called Brahmana Rakshasas that are so powerful that they can kill outright. When I say 'Ghost' I mean the mind, intelligence, and ego without a gross material body,(the five senses manifested in a body made of earth, air, fire, water, and ether). Because these 'ghosts' have no body to enjoy the senses. They can be very envious of those of us that do and therefore try to enter into a body during the dream state. If that dreaming person is in a weakened state, said ghost can enter into the body and wreak havoc. I had a feeling that this could have happened to my son, but I wanted to see if others had similar thoughts, the reason for this is that he had such a great outlook on life and I could not bear to think that he despaired so much that he took his own life. There was no indication of despair in any of the longs talks we had during the week preceding his death.
Not to belittle your strife Panchajanya, I am sincerely sorry. I too have lost someone very close to me, and his death was indirectly my fault. That is a pain that never goes away. You can ignore it for some time, but it's always there.
However, I do not choose to lay my problems on my imaginary best friend. I am responsible for my reality. I make my life what it is. If I were so inclined I could choose to blame all my problems on mysterious "astral ghosts" because I wasn't capable of facing my own reality. I could say, "It wasn't me, it's not my fault that I loaded my best friend's needle with too much heroin, it was a ghost", or maybe something like, "A demon got inside me and forced me to ignore the fact that my best friend had stopped breathing because I was too afraid of the cops taking my next hit if I called an ambulance". I could be like that. Or I could realize that my life is what I wanted it to be. I had a reason for choosing my situation. I might not know what that is right now, but I chose this life and I'll be damned if I'm not going to accept that. I will accept it and I'll learn from it. I will make it my life's mission to figure out why I watched my best friend die and chose not to do anything about it.
Or I guess I could just say it was God's plan and wash my hands of all responsibility. Whatever works.
I would like anyone who reads this post to notice that I just said some horribly insensitive and possibly offensive things about not only Panchjanya's loss but my own. And my loss was at least partially, if not completely my fault. Yet I still treat it with disrespect.
You know why?
Because I am a better believer than either of these people. Unlike these people I have complete and utter faith in my "higher power"'s plan (ie my plan). I don't complain about it. Like Abraham, my God told me this is his plan and I don't question. I acknowledge the reality of the situation and make light of it as much as I can. Because in the end, it's just me and my understanding of God. Do you really think that my God is going to give a crap about what I said to some random person on a forum?! No.
My sin is one of selfishness and I will take that up with my "lord and saviour".......perhaps we have more in common than you think.
All I'm saying, geass, is take it easy on the Christian proselytizing. You can express condolences and pray for another without telling us about your God.
Also, geass, read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Robert Camus.
Suicide is as important as you make it.
Your life doesn't have to be the next installment of your favorite soap opera. Reality is awesome enough without making up fairy tales. Personally I'm much more interested in the human circulatory system or the seeming tendency toward entropy in this reality. Can't really see why you need to make up a fantasy world of angels and demons.
From the moment we're born, we're dying. It's human attachment that makes death unfortunate, not death.
I deeply apologize for how offense and insensitive this post is. Truly and sincerely. But, I am not afraid of how I feel and I am not afraid of sharing how I feel.
Quote from: personalreality on May 16, 2010, 00:14:13
However, I do not choose to lay my problems on my imaginary best friend. I am responsible for my reality. I make my life what it is. If I were so inclined I could choose to blame all my problems on mysterious "astral ghosts" because I wasn't capable of facing my own reality. I could say, "It wasn't me, it's not my fault that I loaded my best friend's needle with too much heroin, it was a ghost", or maybe something like, "A demon got inside me and forced me to ignore the fact that my best friend had stopped breathing because I was too afraid of the cops taking my next hit if I called an ambulance". I could be like that. Or I could realize that my life is what I wanted it to be. I had a reason for choosing my situation. I might not know what that is right now, but I chose this life and I'll be damned if I'm not going to accept that. I will accept it and I'll learn from it. I will make it my life's mission to figure out why I watched my best friend die and chose not to do anything about it.
I can say without a doubt, that if more people took responsibility for their own actions... this would be a much better world to live in.
~Ryan
Quote from: personalreality on May 16, 2010, 00:14:13
All I'm saying, geass, is take it easy on the Christian proselytizing. You can express condolences and pray for another without telling us about your God.
Also, geass, read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Robert Camus.
Suicide is as important as you make it.
Let me tell you my friend,
I am not gonna argue with you and attack you. You are entitled to your own opinion and I have mine. I will say what I want and noone can stop me except God Himself. You don't want to believe, don't and I am not proselytizing, I am bringing my opinion out of years of experience in dreams and signs. I believe God exists and speaks to us, warns us sometimes in our circumstances and other times in dreams. Now if I want to share my take on it, I am not forcing any others to believe in what I believe. I am just sharing with punchajanya, because I felt what he is looking for and I believe without a doubt in the spiritual realm.
You want to think all this is a fantasy, think it. I know without a doubt that evil exists, I can even see it. Now if these exist and pushed Panchajanya's son to commit suicide, that doesn't mean the person is putting all the blame on it, but the important thing I want to pass is to be carefull about this exploring stuff, it is NOT A GAME or as you call it "exploring our consciousness". There is something called angels, demons, good, evil, God, devil and all these exist. It's not true that you are in complete control over your reality, NOT ONE BIT. You are in control over nothing. Everything in your life can be finished in one second if God wanted to. You don't want to believe it, don't. You will discover it sonner or later. The choice is yours.
I was only speaking to panchajanya and I feel for him. What happened to his son is something supernatural, not something in his own mind. He saw SOMETHING. There is something that was REAL that pushed him to do that. Nothing just happens like that. His father and his wife are the closest to him and know him more than me and you. They can tell us more than we tell them. I am just sharing my opinion. That's all.
Stop attacking me with that proselytising stuff. I don't want to force anyone into my beliefs so don't force yours on us neither.
God bless!
I AM GOD.
I have no problem with a belief in "god".
But save the dogma for somewhere else.
It's one thing for you to talk about the "glory of god" or whatever.
And it's still cool to offer prayer and support.
But when you start getting into sinners and all that jazz you're starting to preach a bit.
It's a fine line.
And in a forum where many people have views and experiences that directly oppose dogmatic belief, that kind of stuff can be really annoying and seems truly silly.
Quote from: personalreality on May 17, 2010, 10:03:50
It's one thing for you to talk about the "glory of god" or whatever.
And it's still cool to offer prayer and support.
But when you start getting into sinners and all that jazz you're starting to preach a bit.
It's a fine line.
And in a forum where many people have views and experiences that directly oppose dogmatic belief, that kind of stuff can be really annoying and seems truly silly.
Just quoting for truth.
~Ryan :)
You people experience that stuff because you believe you will, bottom line.
and who the hell are you to assume that your sense of morality is the "right" one?
there are no good and evil beings. everything feeds. if something happens to feed on you which indirectly or directly influences your energy in such a was as to elicit abnormal behaviors, how is that any worse than us eating a slaughtered cow?
all i'm saying is that just because something negatively impacts a human doesn't mean it's evil. it's part of life.
i just don't see how blaming your problems on boogey men is going to help you.
oh wait. you don't need help because you are literally helpless. just have faith and let me know how that works out.
note: not attacking you, just putting what you said in a different frame of reference.
personalreality I have read your post and a few points really stick out. I have no doubt that your faith may be stronger, I think better is the wrong word, but let me ask you this; If someone came into your house and murdered your wife, would you think, O this the plan of my higher power, or would you take action against the perpetrator? You may not believe in the forces of good and evil, even though every major religion teaches otherwise, but I do because I have direct perception of such beings. In one sense, even if what I say is true it's not going to bring back my son. But I can't help to wonder WHY?
Evil is nothing more than ignorance, if perpetrators of evil had knowledge of the consequences of their actions they would cease to commit such acts. Evil acts only cause suffering in the person to whom the act is committed and to the person that commits such an act. Unlike you I believe there is a judgment after one dies, and that is the absolute morality.
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 17, 2010, 17:40:38
personalreality I have read your post and a few points really stick out. I have no doubt that your faith may be stronger, I think better is the wrong word, but let me ask you this; If someone came into your house and murdered your wife, would you think, O this the plan of my higher power, or would you take action against the perpetrator? You may not believe in the forces of good and evil, even though every major religion teaches otherwise, but I do because I have direct perception of such beings. In one sense, even if what I say is true it's not going to bring back my son. But I can't help to wonder WHY?
There's not a single person among us who can answer that question.
Nobody can until faced with it.
We all know how we would LIKE to act... we would like to think we're capable of forgiveness.
At the end of the day... all we have is remembering those we love/loved... and going on with our existance.
QuoteEvil is nothing more than ignorance, if perpetrators of evil had knowledge of the consequences of their actions they would cease to commit such acts. Evil acts only cause suffering in the person to whom the act is committed and to the person that commits such an act. Unlike you I believe there is a judgment after one dies, and that is the absolute morality.
You're assuming here that they don't enjoy the acts which they commit... regardless of the consequences.
Lots of people commit murder knowing full well, that if they're caught, they're either going to jail for a long time... or have their life ended.
I, too, believe that there most definitely is judgement after one leaves this physical world. This judgment comes in the most harshest of forms too: Self judgment.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can judge you harder than your ever could.
I take that knowledge to heart...
~Ryan :)
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 17, 2010, 17:40:38
You may not believe in the forces of good and evil, even though every major religion teaches otherwise
Unlike you I believe there is a judgment after one dies, and that is the absolute morality.
Did you ever stop to think WHY
every major religion teaches that?
What is absolute morality? Who decided what absolute morality is?
God?
Did she/he/it tell you that? Or did you just read it in their autobiography?
I'm not sure if you read my story earlier.
I recognized the opportunity, not as divine will, but as the intricate interplay of awareness and energy aligning in such a way, arranged by all of existence, that provided me with a reason to get sober.
There is a massive difference in perceptual scale and position between you and I. You misunderstand me in many ways I think.
Quote from: personalreality on May 17, 2010, 10:03:50
It's one thing for you to talk about the "glory of god" or whatever.
And it's still cool to offer prayer and support.
But when you start getting into sinners and all that jazz you're starting to preach a bit.
It's a fine line.
And in a forum where many people have views and experiences that directly oppose dogmatic belief, that kind of stuff can be really annoying and seems truly silly.
Hello my friend,
You seem to not want to understand a point. I am not preaching at all, I don't want to lead anyone into my beliefs especially someone like you who thinks I have "dogmatic beliefs". You tell me that I annoy you, of course everything that has a sense of absolute morality annoys people like you who want to take everything relative. Hell, even bestiality and child molestation could be right for you. That is the danger of your relative morality. I wonder if you have a young child one day and you went in their room and found them doing some crazy sexual stuff with a dog or whatever, what would you do? Imagine you tell them, "you shouldn't do that because it's wrong? ", what if they tell you "why is it wrong, just because it's wrong to you???". This stuff has no limit.
You want to make me sound like someone with dogmatic beliefs trying to impose my views on this forum while you are the one imposing your beliefs. I don't care if what I am saying sounds silly to the majority of people here who play with this "go explore your conscienceness" stuff as if it's a game!!! You are assuming more than me that it's their conscience while I AM AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGING AN UNKNWON DANGEROUS REALM as evidenced by the same person who started this. The thread is started by panchajanya who is a witness to his son's suicidal circumstances. I replied to him and to him alone about what I think .. My point is that it's very possible that he encountered something from the spiritual world. I believe that the spiritual world exists with EVIL VS GOOD. What's it to you? Does it bother you so much to think there is absolute morality? I wonder why...
Anyway, as I said before I am only interested to get the point to panchajanya and others who are more open than you and your relative subjective explore your conscience stuff. Trust me that sounds the most silly especially when you hear about suicides. That is without mentionning the other dreams I read like Bonzo's "a strange waking dream" where he wakes up, looks towards the door and sees a mischievous slightly evil imp like character laughing, or cassiel kiani's "protector of darkness" dream where he sees red old women called the "hunters of the blood" calling him "protector of darkness".
Tell me who is more rational. Me who is saying there is an unknown territory we are crossing, or you with your "go explore your conscience" stuff???????
I have many more things I have seen in my dreams where God told me things to come and they exactly happened in SPECIFIC MINUTE DETAILS.. I don't want to talk about these but I want to tell all who are here, be carefull, this is not a freaking game..
God bless!
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 17, 2010, 17:40:38
Evil is nothing more than ignorance, if perpetrators of evil had knowledge of the consequences of their actions they would cease to commit such acts. Evil acts only cause suffering in the person to whom the act is committed and to the person that commits such an act. Unlike you I believe there is a judgment after one dies, and that is the absolute morality.
My friend, don't let them get you to doubt what happened. I disagree on one point with you though, Evil is very different from ignorance, people who do real evil, killing, murdering, molesting children and other stuff like that do it because they they like evil, they are compelled to do it. Now personalreality wants to make it seem as if I am saying the demons are the ones doing this stuff and the people are innocent because they blame these acts on these demonic spirits. NOT AT ALL, the people who do this stuff have a choice in this, and they choose to be enslaved by these behaviors. Their will becomes the will of these demons and they become absolutely addicted to this. They give in to these demons.
Now I am not saying this is what happened to your son. Some people absolutely freak out when they know about this stuff, they prefer to live blindly with evil spirits roaming around them instead of being aware of it and battle with them through GOOD AND GOD.
You are right, there is good and evil and the day of judgement will be whether people believe or not will not change anything.
God bless you my friend! Hope the wife and son are doing good.. I know it's not easy I lost my father when young too!!
I feel that you are unnecessarily adding fear to something that has the potential to provide self-knowledge to many people.
I hope that I don't sound rational or reasonable.
Being addicted to rationale is the wall preventing most people in this world from accepting ultimate faith in themselves and their reality.
All I really want to express is to consider the reality of the situation before you tell people that what they experienced couldn't have possibly been something from their own awareness.
I'm really not trying to pick a fight with either of you about your religion. I just don't want to have to help convince someone to try astral projection next month because they read your post and are unnecessarily scared.
THERE IS NO DANGER IN ASTRAL PROJECTION AND THE EXPLORATION OF CONSCIOUSNESS.
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 12, 2010, 22:21:13
The thrust of my search is to find meaning to the recent suicide of my son. His wife said that he had a dream during the night that was very disturbing. In fact he was in a pitiful state and crying when she left to take their son to school, when she returned she found him in the kids room, he had hung himself. I had just talked to him the night before and he was in great spirits as we talked about an upcoming vacation we had planned for June. Among his belongings was an astral projection book by Robert Bruce. His wife said that he was interested in the subject and had tried doing some of the exercises. The grief I feel has not subsided and I know that perhaps this is just a futile attempt to find some reason for a seemingly heathy and happy father, husand, son to snap so mysteriously.
Ok, let's take this back a few steps/posts...
In my opinion, Pancha, the "disturbing dreams" were most likely caused by his unstable state of mind... not the other way around.
We know that people who are depressed or in a very unstable state are exactly that... "unstable".
Sure, they can seem fine one second... but until they get to the root of the problem, they're will always be that "snap point".
I've always advised that people of an unstable nature *SHOULD NOT* be practicing anything of a metaphysical natures. To be quite blunt, they can't handle it.
The chance is there that you'll never know exactly what caused your son to take the action he did. This is just something you'll have to learn to accept... and that acceptance can take a while if you're not ready for it.
I'm sorry for your loss. :/
~Ryan
Quote from: personalreality on May 17, 2010, 23:50:42
THERE IS NO DANGER IN ASTRAL PROJECTION AND THE EXPLORATION OF CONSCIOUSNESS.
FALSE!!!!! There is a big danger in it, call it whatever you want "astral projection", "exploring of consciousness" or whatever!! It is an UNKNOWN TERRITORY and could be very VERY DANGEROUS IF YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED with the truth about God and the opposite side!
The majority of the dreams people are writing here are not even conscience exploring. They are all having dreams about darkness. You hear one talking about a black goat with an unattached head at the bathroom of a dead child taking a shower, another about seeing an imp like character AFTER waking up, another is speaking about being followed by a monster who has a tube that drains their blood, another about being called the "protector of darkness". Go read the dreams for yourself and stop encouraging people to fool around with this stuff. You don't know what you are talking about. Have some humility and fear.
People have been warned!
God protect us!
I agree with geass. There have been several powerful malevolent entities that have followed me back while traveling out of body. Thankfully I have spent considerable time training and learning how to defend myself but the point is, others have not and are therefore susceptible targets.
Therefore, you can either be scared or you can spend a few weeks learning a few practical techniques to defend yourself and others from malevolent entities that you will most likely run into at least once in your lifetime.
Quote from: geass on May 18, 2010, 00:36:50
FALSE!!!!! There is a big danger in it, call it whatever you want "astral projection", "exploring of consciousness" or whatever!! It is an UNKNOWN TERRITORY and could be very VERY DANGEROUS IF YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED with the truth about God and the opposite side!
Dude, seriously... no. Please stop fearmongering.
There's only danger if you *think* there is danger.
If you expect to see demons and devils and all sorts of other "evils" while dreaming or projecting... well, guess what? You will!
I've been projecting for a very long time through my Lucid Dreams... and I've never experienced anything evil. I haven't even had a nightmare in the past 15 years that I can recall.
Nothing is going to happen to you just by projecting. You are 100% safe.
QuoteThe majority of the dreams people are writing here are not even conscience exploring. They are all having dreams about darkness. You hear one talking about a black goat with an unattached head at the bathroom of a dead child taking a shower, another about seeing an imp like character AFTER waking up, another is speaking about being followed by a monster who has a tube that drains their blood, another about being called the "protector of darkness". Go read the dreams for yourself and stop encouraging people to fool around with this stuff. You don't know what you are talking about. Have some humility and fear.
In my opinion, all of those occurrences have one thing in common... they're dreams or projections within their own subconscious.
Everything they're experiencing is being created from within themselves BY themselves. No outside interference.
QuoteGod protect us!
Only you can protect yourself... and you do so by NOT assuming everything around you that you don't understand is a demon.
Pancha,
Did you get a chance to read my post?
~Ryan :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 18, 2010, 09:15:18
Dude, seriously... no. Please stop fearmongering.
There's only danger if you *think* there is danger.
If you expect to see demons and devils and all sorts of other "evils" while dreaming or projecting... well, guess what? You will!
I've been projecting for a very long time through my Lucid Dreams... and I've never experienced anything evil. I haven't even had a nightmare in the past 15 years that I can recall.
Nothing is going to happen to you just by projecting. You are 100% safe.
In my opinion, all of those occurrences have one thing in common... they're dreams or projections within their own subconscious.
Everything they're experiencing is being created from within themselves BY themselves. No outside interference.
Only you can protect yourself... and you do so by NOT assuming everything around you that you don't understand is a demon.
Pancha,
Did you get a chance to read my post?
~Ryan :)
My friend,
My comments are not for you but for others. Project the way you want. You are not having problems because you are far away from the truth. Evil spirits will be on the case of people who still have some relationship with God, not ones who are far away from Him and think that everything comes from the mind. This is exactly what evil entities want you to think so they will leave you. When you are close to God, the devil will be on your case.
When you are close to God, you know these things. As I have said I have had dreams that warned me from the future and they all had very VERY SMART meaning that I could not create in my own mind. This is not my mind, this is FROM ABOVE.
You have to at least acknowledge that it's an unknown territory. You have a suicide in this thread, this is very serious.
God bless!
Quote from: geass on May 18, 2010, 09:38:07
My friend,
My comments are not for you but for others. Project the way you want.
If you wish to address someone in particular, in private, away from prying eyes... we have a PM system for that.
Otherwise anything you post is open to the entire membership of the forum to read and respond to. :)
QuoteYou are not having problems because you are far away from the truth. Evil spirits will be on the case of people who still have some relationship with God, not ones who are far away from Him and think that everything comes from the mind. This is exactly what evil entities want you to think so they will leave you. When you are close to God, the devil will be on your case.
Well then, I hope you won't be offended when I say this, but you can keep your god and your self created demons. :)
I definitely have zero use for them in my projections.
I'm just saying please stop the fear mongering.
You're not helping.
~Ryan :)
The biggest demons are your own, and when you get into this stuff you will eventually have to confront them. And how you deal with them is your own responsibility. You come out stronger on the other side if you do it correctly, as well as get rid of the demons. If you let fear take over and just pray for someone else to handle it for you, you'll be facing the same challenges over and over, probably in a worse manner.
If someone has an issue with patience and prays for patience, they are likely to have even more issues in their life that need patience. Because that's how you get it, you practice it. God does not go "POOF - you magically have more patience". Same with fear and overcoming it. Strength comes from the inside, it's not magic.
Astral projection may not be for everyone, but to say it's wrong for everyone is being ignorant of what others get out of it. It's not for anyone to judge other than God himself.
I've had plenty of scary moments myself. Physical life is also full of scary moments. And a spiritual life also has it's moments of fear, doubt, temptations, and scary moments. They make your spiritual life stronger. If you didn't have challenges you wouldn't grow.
Last but not least, these are just dreams. Many people don't remember dreams at all, but if they did, they would be full of their subconscious demons as well. The more you ignore them, the more they'll jump at you when your guard is down.
Quote from: geass on May 18, 2010, 00:36:50
The majority of the dreams people are writing here are not even conscience exploring. They are all having dreams about darkness. You hear one talking about a black goat with an unattached head at the bathroom of a dead child taking a shower, another about seeing an imp like character AFTER waking up, another is speaking about being followed by a monster who has a tube that drains their blood, another about being called the "protector of darkness". Go read the dreams for yourself and stop encouraging people to fool around with this stuff. You don't know what you are talking about. Have some humility and fear.
People have been warned!
God protect us!
People!! LIsten UP! Please FOOL AROUND WITH THIS STUFF!!
PM me if you want to learn about BLACK MAGICK AND WITCHCRAFT. TOGETHER WE CAN SUMMON THE SPAWN OF SATAN TO RAIN FIRE DOWN ON THIS WORLD!!!
THE DARKNESS WILL PREVAIL!!
MWAHAHAHAHA!
that's what you sound like geass.
Quote from: Stookie on May 18, 2010, 11:16:36
The biggest demons are your own, and when you get into this stuff you will eventually have to confront them. And how you deal with them is your own responsibility. You come out stronger on the other side if you do it correctly, as well as get rid of the demons. If you let fear take over and just pray for someone else to handle it for you, you'll be facing the same challenges over and over, probably in a worse manner.
If someone has an issue with patience and prays for patience, they are likely to have even more issues in their life that need patience. Because that's how you get it, you practice it. God does not go "POOF - you magically have more patience". Same with fear and overcoming it. Strength comes from the inside, it's not magic.
Astral projection may not be for everyone, but to say it's wrong for everyone is being ignorant of what others get out of it. It's not for anyone to judge other than God himself.
I've had plenty of scary moments myself. Physical life is also full of scary moments. And a spiritual life also has it's moments of fear, doubt, temptations, and scary moments. They make your spiritual life stronger. If you didn't have challenges you wouldn't grow.
Last but not least, these are just dreams. Many people don't remember dreams at all, but if they did, they would be full of their subconscious demons as well. The more you ignore them, the more they'll jump at you when your guard is down.
Well said, Stookie! (http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/207.gif) (http://www.cool-smileys.com/clapping-smiley)
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stookie seems to be very patient and considers his response before running off at the mouth like me.
it is always well said, i agree.
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2010, 11:28:26
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Outside?... outstanding?.... outrageous?...outlandish?....outnumbered?
:?
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2010, 11:29:43
stookie seems to be very patient and considers his response before running off at the mouth like me.
it is always well said, i agree.
There is an edit button for a reason. ;)
I use it a lot.
~Ryan
but it's more fun this way
Dont you think its funny how people who believe in negative spirits and good vs evil and monsters and demons...are the only ones to experience them OOB? Those who don't beleive dont seem to have any problems... hmmmmm
:evil:
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 18, 2010, 12:11:40
Dont you think its funny how people who believe in negative spirits and good vs evil and monsters and demons...are the only ones to experience them OOB? Those who don't beleive dont seem to have any problems... hmmmmm
:evil:
Very curious, indeed. :)
~Ryan
i'm curious
www.explosm.net/comics/2043
To answer some of your questions, how about common sense? Possibly that is one reason that the major religions agree on this. The other is, dare I say it?...GOD laid down rules for human behavior. Yes, GOD, the original person, Ishwara the supreme controller, Krishna, Allah, Yahwey, There are literally hundreds of names for Him. In the different cultures of the world spiritually advanced persons, call them sages, seers, saints, whatever, that He trusts because of their devotion, He has revealed these codes of conduct to create peace and prosperity to the people in general. The people in general take a relative view on morality and motivations such as lust, anger, greed and other desires tend to color that relative morality. I mean, do men of intelligence and discrimination need to to be told ,"Thou shall not kill", Thou shall not steal", "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife." isn't it obvious that these actions are wrong? Well, God didn't think so, so he CARVED THEM IN STONE . God is whom I trust to give the absolute morality, who's your candidate?
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 19, 2010, 11:09:20
To answer some of your questions, how about common sense? Possibly that is one reason that the major religions agree on this. The other is, dare I say it?...GOD laid down rules for human behavior. Yes, GOD, the original person, Ishwara the supreme controller, Krishna, Allah, Yahwey, There are literally hundreds of names for Him. In the different cultures of the world spiritually advanced persons, call them sages, seers, saints, whatever, that He trusts because of their devotion, He has revealed these codes of conduct to create peace and prosperity to the people in general. The people in general take a relative view on morality and motivations such as lust, anger, greed and other desires tend to color that relative morality. I mean, do men of intelligence and discrimination need to to be told ,"Thou shall not kill", Thou shall not steal", "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife." isn't it obvious that these actions are wrong? Well, God didn't think so, so he CARVED THEM IN STONE . God is whom I trust to give the absolute morality, who's your candidate?
It certainly sounds like you found your answer then.
Congratulations.
~Ryan :)
I think if you believe in a god, or demons, or hairy monsters who try to get you when OOB or dreaming, then you will indeed find them.
As I said, and has been said by others - geass even said it when he said that "demons" only attack people close to God. In other words those who BELIEVE in them. These (IMO) are created simply out of your belief. Your consciousness is capable of creating anything you want, or dont want as the case me be. For example, when OOB, just thinking about your physical body brings you back to it. Likewise, thinking of flying makes you fly. If you have demons on the mind, then you will indeed see demons and the more your fear takes over, the more your mind increasingly makes them more scary until the point when your own fear makes the demons do the worst thing you can think of. Its the thought alone which makes this happen.
In my opinion...
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 19, 2010, 11:47:47
I think if you believe in a god, or demons, or hairy monsters who try to get you when OOB or dreaming, then you will indeed find them.
As I said, and has been said by others - geass even said it when he said that "demons" only attack people close to God. In other words those who BELIEVE in them. These (IMO) are created simply out of your belief. Your consciousness is capable of creating anything you want, or dont want as the case me be. For example, when OOB, just thinking about your physical body brings you back to it. Likewise, thinking of flying makes you fly. If you have demons on the mind, then you will indeed see demons and the more your fear takes over, the more your mind increasingly makes them more scary until the point when your own fear makes the demons do the worst thing you can think of. Its the thought alone which makes this happen.
In my opinion...
Hey now!
We'll have no use of logic in this thread, good sir!! :)
~Ryan
"Because god said so" isn't a very good argument.
"Because he wrote it on stone tablets" isn't a very good argument either. Where are these tablets? Have you seen them? Or are you just taking a book written by man's word for it?
Yea.
If you knew anything about your experience in reality you'd know that what these "sages" etc. have learned is a subjective experience for them. It doesn't translate to anyone else. The knowledge of others is useless to you. I know you'll say that you found god and all the jazz, yet your arguments are still based on what others have learned. You're arguing from a logical fallacy, ie providing information based on the discoveries of other humans, commonly accepted information. But hey, faith is about blindly following what you're told isn't it?
It's really useless for us to even talk about this, but christians just rile me up so much. I guess that's what I get for growing up in a christian society.
sorry for engaging you. i humbly withdrawal.
PR, there is absolutely no way to prove that God exists. Conversely, one cannot prove that He doesn't. There must be faith, not blind faith, but faith based on knowledge. Knowledge comes from direct perception or books. I can perceive that there is an order in the universe, I have books that can tell you what dates the phases of the moon are in 2050, in this way I see the universe as a gigantic watch and watches indicate to me an intelligent maker. You say that the knowledge of others is worthless to us. Actually, most of what we learn comes from the research and knowledge of others. If I read a book that warns me not to steal or murder etc. because of the punishments that I may receive, ie. jail, death sentence, etc., and I avoid those activities, isn't that more intelligent than going out and performing the activity and actually having to experience such punishments? Shastra (scripture) is no different. By the way I never said I was a Christian, actually I lean more toward Eastern religion.
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 19, 2010, 11:47:47
I think if you believe in a god, or demons, or hairy monsters who try to get you when OOB or dreaming, then you will indeed find them.
As I said, and has been said by others - geass even said it when he said that "demons" only attack people close to God. In other words those who BELIEVE in them. These (IMO) are created simply out of your belief. Your consciousness is capable of creating anything you want, or dont want as the case me be. For example, when OOB, just thinking about your physical body brings you back to it. Likewise, thinking of flying makes you fly. If you have demons on the mind, then you will indeed see demons and the more your fear takes over, the more your mind increasingly makes them more scary until the point when your own fear makes the demons do the worst thing you can think of. Its the thought alone which makes this happen.
In my opinion...
My friend,
demons really exist. In exorcism rituals, humans begin to talk in native languages they have never learned. Demons are so real and they roam everywhere. People criticize me always here because of these things as if I am providing proof. The proof is only provided by God and noone else. The point is astral projection is just something we see, whether it is in our minds or not is a question that cannot be solved scientifically right now. HOWEVER, there is a suicide involved that someone took an astral projection book, had a dream and ended up dead.
Doesn't that wake you up people?? Or have your egocentric pride so blinded you that a life like Pancha's son does not count anymore???
Dreams are a way to the spiritual world. In that spiritual world, demons, angels, good and evil EXIST 100%. I have personal proof of that. But this proof cannot be given among men, it has to be asked of God.
I challenge everyone, go in your room and ON YOUR KNEES. Pray to GOD (whether you believe in Him or not, whether you know who He is or not does not matter) and say "MY GOD IF YOU ARE REAL SHOW ME THE TRUTH" and I promiss my friends you will be surprised.
This astral projection stuff is a gateway to the spiritual world, you are crossing into the unknown and you are not equipped with GOD.
This is the last thing I would say about it and the choice is yours at the end.
God bless you all friends!
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 19, 2010, 11:09:20
To answer some of your questions, how about common sense? Possibly that is one reason that the major religions agree on this. The other is, dare I say it?...GOD laid down rules for human behavior. Yes, GOD, the original person, Ishwara the supreme controller, Krishna, Allah, Yahwey, There are literally hundreds of names for Him. In the different cultures of the world spiritually advanced persons, call them sages, seers, saints, whatever, that He trusts because of their devotion, He has revealed these codes of conduct to create peace and prosperity to the people in general. The people in general take a relative view on morality and motivations such as lust, anger, greed and other desires tend to color that relative morality. I mean, do men of intelligence and discrimination need to to be told ,"Thou shall not kill", Thou shall not steal", "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife." isn't it obvious that these actions are wrong? Well, God didn't think so, so he CARVED THEM IN STONE . God is whom I trust to give the absolute morality, who's your candidate?
very well said Pancha. Don't let them plant doubt, relative morality doesn't make sense. Everything we see in this world is as black and white and multiplicity is just a scale between them.
God be with you my friend!
Geass,
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're a tad too evangelistic for this forum.
This is NOT a religious forum. This is an Astral Projection forum.
I can pretty much guarantee that your continued participation in this forum won't be enjoyable for you.
~Ryan :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 19, 2010, 18:58:46
Geass,
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're a tad too evangelistic for this forum.
This is NOT a religious forum. This is an Astral Projection forum.
I can pretty much guarantee that your continued participation in this forum won't be enjoyable for you.
~Ryan :)
My friend, I don't want people to believe in what I believe because I said so. I want them to seek the Truth by themselves. God does not need me. My intention is good and I am scared for people who play with this stuff because you saw what happened to Panja's son. it is not a game.
As I said, people here attack me because I say the word "God". I believe dreams are signs from above. I am not trying to evangilize at all but I have to warn people because I believe what they are encountering are not from their minds but from the supernatural.
I am not a religious person but I believe in God and in the opposite side..
I am not here neither to enjoy, I feel for people who are having these dreams and don't know their real meaning and think it's a game trying to control events.
God bless you my friend!
Quote from: geass on May 19, 2010, 18:35:25
I challenge everyone, go in your room and ON YOUR KNEES. Pray to GOD (whether you believe in Him or not, whether you know who He is or not does not matter) and say "MY GOD IF YOU ARE REAL SHOW ME THE TRUTH" and I promiss my friends you will be surprised.
You do realize that you don't actually have to be a god to absorb energy from an individual that's on their knees 'praying'... If I wanted to, I could come into you thought space, wait until you started praying and absorb every ounce of energy that you freely put out into the cosmos. Now, if I can do that, what do you think super advanced entities can do?
The point is, there is no entity named 'GOD'. It's a general term referring to 'good' that was written into the bible. God = G
ood and
Devil = evil.
Quote from: geass on May 19, 2010, 18:35:25
My friend,
demons really exist. In exorcism rituals, humans begin to talk in native languages they have never learned. Demons are so real and they roam everywhere. People criticize me always here because of these things as if I am providing proof. The proof is only provided by God and noone else. The point is astral projection is just something we see, whether it is in our minds or not is a question that cannot be solved scientifically right now. HOWEVER, there is a suicide involved that someone took an astral projection book, had a dream and ended up dead.
Doesn't that wake you up people?? Or have your egocentric pride so blinded you that a life like Pancha's son does not count anymore???
Dreams are a way to the spiritual world. In that spiritual world, demons, angels, good and evil EXIST 100%. I have personal proof of that. But this proof cannot be given among men, it has to be asked of God.
I challenge everyone, go in your room and ON YOUR KNEES. Pray to GOD (whether you believe in Him or not, whether you know who He is or not does not matter) and say "MY GOD IF YOU ARE REAL SHOW ME THE TRUTH" and I promiss my friends you will be surprised.
This astral projection stuff is a gateway to the spiritual world, you are crossing into the unknown and you are not equipped with GOD.
This is the last thing I would say about it and the choice is yours at the end.
God bless you all friends!
Geass, not wanting to beat a dead horse, but EVERYTHING you are saying is reinforcing what some of us are saying! Surely if Demons existed they would be objective, yet people who DO NOT believe in them, never see them. I completely believe you when you tell me these things exist for you, because i'm sure they do. But for you to say they exist objectively is basically preaching. You are only speaking from your point of view, which I've already said *could* have created these demons. The very fact (which you stated) that these things only affect believers should be proof enough for anyone reading this, that these things only exist if you think they do - your mind creates them. Im sure your "proof" is fantastic! But it only applies to you.
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 19, 2010, 23:16:00
Geass, not wanting to beat a dead horse, but EVERYTHING you are saying is reinforcing what some of us are saying! Surely if Demons existed they would be objective, yet people who DO NOT believe in them, never see them. I completely believe you when you tell me these things exist for you, because i'm sure they do. But for you to say they exist objectively is basically preaching. You are only speaking from your point of view, which I've already said *could* have created these demons. The very fact (which you stated) that these things only affect believers should be proof enough for anyone reading this, that these things only exist if you think they do - your mind creates them. Im sure your "proof" is fantastic! But it only applies to you.
Whatever you say my friend. Good luck with your astral projection.
Take care
Good luck indeed Astral Beginnings
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on May 19, 2010, 21:22:13
You do realize that you don't actually have to be a god to absorb energy from an individual that's on their knees 'praying'... If I wanted to, I could come into you thought space, wait until you started praying and absorb every ounce of energy that you freely put out into the cosmos. Now, if I can do that, what do you think super advanced entities can do?
The point is, there is no entity named 'GOD'. It's a general term referring to 'good' that was written into the bible. God = Good and Devil = evil.
What about an entity named Krishna, or Allah, or any one of hundreds of names that refer to the same supreme being? your looking to the Bible for substantiation, yet you reject the main focus of the Bible, the Supreme Absolute Truth embodied in a person.I agree that God is a generic term, but I also believe there is an Absolute Truth.
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 20, 2010, 09:37:52
What about an entity named Krishna, or Allah, or any one of hundreds of names that refer to the same supreme being? your looking to the Bible for substantiation, yet you reject the main focus of the Bible, the Supreme Absolute Truth embodied in a person.I agree that God is a generic term, but I also believe there is an Absolute Truth.
Panchajanya,
Trying to get this thread back on the original topic...
Have we answered any of your questions or calmed any of your worries/concerns regarding your initial posts?
I hope you manage to find peace for you and your family in these trying times. :)
~Ryan
party pooper
Quote from: Xanth on May 20, 2010, 09:59:20
Trying to get this thread back on the original topic...
That's a good one Xanth...
Quote from: Panchajanya on May 20, 2010, 09:37:52
What about an entity named Krishna, or Allah, or any one of hundreds of names that refer to the same supreme being? your looking to the Bible for substantiation, yet you reject the main focus of the Bible, the Supreme Absolute Truth embodied in a person.I agree that God is a generic term, but I also believe there is an Absolute Truth.
Hindu gods, Greek gods, it makes little difference. They are unique entities like you or I that once existed here on earth, maybe a little bit more spiritually evolved but what makes them gods? Because people pray to them? So, if people start praying to me do I become a god?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hXvkEsNv-Zo/SMcy-yXqntI/AAAAAAAAAIg/J4jDuaVODNc/s400/throne+of+Zeus.jpg)
(http://broapocalypse.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/radha_y_krishna_1.jpg)
According to Islamic belief, Allah is the proper name of God, and humble submission to His Will, Divine Ordinances and Commandments is the pivot of the Muslim faith. That's great... But let's not forget that Muslims also gather by the millions to pray to a black box.
(http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kabah-stones-closer.jpg)
but there's a rock that fell from the heavens in there!
sent by allah himself!
lol