Living Dreams

[muppetgeoff]

Hi All,

I have written few posts, and yet I've been here for a while.

I apologise in advance, I am drunk. Not plastered, just in my comfortable state (something that I'm addressing outside of this forum)

The topic of my post: Living dreams.

What does it mean, or what does it say, when you spend your 'awake' time thinking about the dreams you had in your 'sleep' time?

And what does it mean, if you dread to sleep, and hate to wake up?

Dreams, to me, are more complex than reality. Multi-spacial perspective, emotional-visual. But it may be that I'm just detached from 'reality'.

So why is it that I have started to see a strange, and disturbing pattern:

My dreams are shaped by my reality.

My reality is shaped by my dreams.

And each shapes itself.

I have told myself I shouldn't say sorry so much, but I still do;

I'm sorry if this makes no sense, offends, bores, or just whatever.

[Self therapy kicking in, and realising what I've typed, but won't delete it.... maybe because I want people to read it... and not just for selfish reasons..!]

Anyway,

Thanks for tuning in

Geoff

[Sampson]

Hi,

What does it mean, or what does it say, when you spend your 'awake' time thinking about the dreams you had in your 'sleep' time?

For me it says that I show an interest in my dreams, gain pleasure from them and that I have something to learn from them that can be of benefit to me in the physical world.

And what does it mean, if you dread to sleep, and hate to wake up?

Fear amongst other things can lead to a dread of going to sleep. Hating to wake up could mean many things, perhaps one has a strong attachment to being in the dream state, an aversion to the physical realm .... or it could just mean one hasn't had enough sleep!

Dreams, to me, are more complex than reality. Multi-spacial perspective, emotional-visual. But it may be that I'm just detached from 'reality'.

Or it could mean that your actually more intergrated with it?

So why is it that I have started to see a strange, and disturbing pattern:

My dreams are shaped by my reality.

My reality is shaped by my dreams.

And each shapes itself.

I see nothing wrong with that pattern, as long as you make it work for you and not against you.

I have told myself I shouldn't say sorry so much, but I still do

I used to do this a lot too, and still find myself doing it now and then when it's not necessary, you wouldn't happen to be English by any chance?

Cheers

S

[Selski]

Hi Geoff and Sampson

I'm a big dreamer (literal as well as "detached from reality").  It comes in very handy, being able to use your imagination.  I often spend a big chunk of my physical life absorbed in my imagination.  At one time I thought this was a negative thing - now I embrace it.  My imagination is one of the greatest gifts I have (in my opinion).  I know it has enabled me to have some very interesting OBE and astral experiences.

I say sorry too much as well.

And I'm English.

Is that a trait of being English then Sampson?

Sarah

[Sampson]

Hi Sarah,

I say sorry too much as well.

And I'm English.

Is that a trait of being English then Sampson?

I only mentioned this as I have been living away from England now for a number of years (I am English too). When I return to visit on occasion I notice all of the little quirks and ways that were not so obvious to me when I was living there before.

The saying sorry was one of the things I noticed amongst others, it's an odd feeling when I return, its like I have become an observer rather than a participant in the culture.

By the way, I hope I didn't upset anyone or cause offence by what I was suggesting, it wasn't meant to be a generalisation, more of an observation (there I go again apologising, but I feel I should do it anyway!).

I brought the topic up at work today just to see what everybody thought, there are between 20 and 30 different nationalities at my place of work, which makes for a quite unique and cosmopolitan environment.

I asked a few people their opinion on the subject, some said that it was just a quirk of the English language, a few said that it was very English whilst others said that they do it as well and is a common trait in their own culture, so it just goes to show that my suggestion was quite wrong there!!

For me, and I speak honestly, the apologising is partly linked to a lack of assertiveness. When I feel that I am confronted by awkward or difficult situations, I'll end up apologising because I don't want to hurt the other persons feelings or upset them by what I would really like to say.

Through the power of lucid dreaming I have been able to work on this issue, and have already had some very challenging and rewarding experiences. On waking from this type of dream I always feel rejuvenated and refreshed, it's a strange thing to say but it's as if a part of me has been reborn?

I'm a big dreamer (literal as well as "detached from reality"). It comes in very handy, being able to use your imagination. I often spend a big chunk of my physical life absorbed in my imagination. At one time I thought this was a negative thing - now I embrace it. My imagination is one of the greatest gifts I have (in my opinion). I know it has enabled me to have some very interesting OBE and astral experiences.

I couldn't agree more, what you say above mirrors my thoughts and feelings very closely.

S

[Selski]

Sampson - I thought your English was too good to be true!

I haven't a clue why I apologise, although I'm not particularly an assertive person (possibly an understatement!).

Anyway, I have a question about dreaming.  I guess the answer could be scientific and go right over my head, but I've often wondered how/why it is that when we are dreaming, we are totally absorbed in that world, in so much that it becomes our reality.  In fact, in the majority of dreams, we are not aware of our physical life at all.  The physical side of "us" does not exist.

However, in our physical lives, we accept and even wonder about our dreaming lives.

So what I'm saying is that our dreaming lives slip and slide into our physical lives, but very rarely the other way round (except when lucid).  

Any ideas why that is?

I hope I'm not off-topic here - but actually looking again at the title, it's pretty much on-topic!

Sarah

[Sampson]

Hi Sarah,

I've often wondered how/why it is that when we are dreaming, we are totally absorbed in that world, in so much that it becomes our reality.

I feel it is so absorbing because it is the natural environment for the part of me (spirit?) that will live on after my physical body has perished. This is the part of me that I feel experiences the dream. For me the world of dreams is just as much a valid part of my/our reality as waking life is.

In fact, in the majority of dreams, we are not aware of our physical life at all. The physical side of "us" does not exist.

However, in our physical lives, we accept and even wonder about our dreaming lives.

So what I'm saying is that our dreaming lives slip and slide into our physical lives, but very rarely the other way round (except when lucid).

Any ideas why that is?

The following is my current belief:

For the moment we are souls incarnate in physical bodies in the physical world. We can, in the right state of mind, find temporary release to pursue further experiences by visiting the spirit world in the form of dreaming, OBE's, meditation etc. Hence the memories of our dream life slipping back to us on our return to the physical life, much like the memories one brings back from a holiday.

But it wouldn't be beneficial for us to give up too much or all of our consciousness to visit the astral as we have lives to lead here first. Slip too far and you might go permanently, then you would end up being a spirit looking out from the astral or wherever into the physical! Instead of bringing memories back from your holiday destination you might end up staying there permanently or for a little while at least!

S