obeing from dreams, I need help!!

[darkangel13]

i've only projected twice, but both times were through lucid dreams.  what i do (and this would probably work for you too) is this: i'm dreaming, and eventually i realize i'm dreaming, so i immediately think to myself "i'm going to astrally project" or something like that, and i do.  then i'm free to walk/float/fly/whatever around, hehe..... hope this helps

-Kristina

[AndrewTheSinger]

First I'd say don't waste your dreams, enjoy them. Ending the dreams was a big mistake I used to make when trying to obe. Go for the projection when the dream is ending by itself.

The images will disappear and you'll be in the darkness, like when a film ends and a black screen appears with the credits, stay focused and keep yourself in the darkness, it's the trance. From there you can apply an exiting technique, try this one: feel yourself floating/moving to the ground in the middle of your bedroom, touch the floor, touch everything until you can see.

If you happened to miss the darkness and awake, urge yourself back to the last scene of your dream, if it's just a few minutes after you awoke you still can do it fairly easy. When you reach the state do the same thing, it's like disorienting yourself, suddenly you don't know you're in bed anymore, you're moving somewhere else, in thought you take yourself there and you can vividly feel you're there, you have to touch the things around you in order to gain vision and stabilize.


One other way to project from a dream is to spin. Spin inside your dream until the dream images disappear, keep on spinning in the dark and spin until new images appear.

[Deva]

I haven't been able to obe from a dream, lucid or not.  Last night or rather around 3:00 a.m. I practiced my obe induction.  I did get lucid in a dream & decided to try to obe from it.  What I got was a spiraling out of control feeling like being swept in a tornado-like funnel sensation.  This has happened before.  Then I had a false awakening.  I think from now on, I'll just concentrate on extending lucidity because it seems to always be wasteful for me trying to convert it into an obe.

[loco]

quote:Originally posted by Deva

I haven't been able to obe from a dream, lucid or not.  Last night or rather around 3:00 a.m. I practiced my obe induction.  I did get lucid in a dream & decided to try to obe from it.  What I got was a spiraling out of control feeling like being swept in a tornado-like funnel sensation.  This has happened before.  Then I had a false awakening.  I think from now on, I'll just concentrate on extending lucidity because it seems to always be wasteful for me trying to convert it into an obe.

If so, how do you attempt obes ,then?
I can´t help but interrupt the dream and jump to the vibrations as soon as I get lucid. Very much like Tombodenman explains. To be honest, I must say I don´t keep any control after the vibrations either..wish I could.Pulled out a couple or three times and in a very uncontrolled manner[xx(].But no way I can attempt an obe from anywhere else but a dream.

[Deva]

In between sleep periods to catch the vibes if I'm lucky.  
I'm expecting them to come on soon any night now.  Especially after having 3 consecutive nights of vivid or lucid dreams with obe themes.

[Tombo]

Thanks for the tips guys!! Maybe I really should try it like Andrew describes it. It's seems to really be a waste to end all these LD by force of will. Anyways it's really interessting how strong opinions differ whether LD and OBE are the same or something different. Whats your view on that matter?

Greetings Tom

[Colin]

I'd suggest forming a strong intention to project and/or repeating an affirmation once you become lucid. Demand mental awareness by repeating "Awareness now!" until your mental clarity is enhanced. This alone may cause the onset of exit sensations (at least, according to William Buhlman). You could also try, "Now I'm out-of-body!" I haven't yet tried these as I haven't had a lucid dream recently, but you might want to check it out.

[loco]

quote:Originally posted by tombodenmann

Thanks for the tips guys!! Maybe I really should try it like Andrew describes it. It's seems to really be a waste to end all these LD by force of will. Anyways it's really interessting how strong opinions differ whether LD and OBE are the same or something different. Whats your view on that matter?

Greetings Tom

That´s an interesting point.
 In my limited experience with it I found them to be clearly two different experiences...besides, they wouldn´t be called differently if were the same, would they? (I know,this was a silly argument[B)])Anyway, I can barely grasp the point exposed from those who consider they are the same...maybe someone can tell something clear about it.
 I found obes to be a vehicle for moving without the limitations of our everyday phisycal body, by means of our energetic body.My rather short obe periods had always been within my bedroom walls.All like this:Vibrations, pulling out and me just floating there; that´s been it for now,no big exploration [xx(]
  However,my Lucid dreams don´t share, first,any of the strong vibrations and pulling out stuff ( So I think my energetic body is not being used as in a obe (?)...and second, the environment, becouse I´m in the middle of a dream, just dreaming, and suddenly I  become fully aware of myself being dreaming there.My conscience is there as in a obe (in the sense that I´m aware of myself), but in any place but my bedroom.
  But that´s from my limited experience. Maybe I´ll go further in this and see more.
 
Adios !
   

[coral1]

Hi tombodenmann,

I have had success with three different techniques for projecting from a LD.The first is what Colin described;placing an intent to project.This works best if your level of concious control of the dream is high and you have your wits about you.Sometimes simply willing the scene of the dream to change will work as well.The second is flying or levitating in the dream.I believe that the flying dreams  many people have are projections:the difference being the level of conciousness.The third technique I discovered by accident a few months ago.It is simply falling during a dream.I completely relax and let my dreambody fall in whatever direction it chooses.The falling sensation seems to happen in slow motion-a very cool feeling!

In all these techniques I experience the usual exit sensations;vibrations and the feeling of separating from my body.In my case I project from dreams about 50% of the time.I wouldn`t recomend ending the dream and THEN trying to project.I`ve been able to do that a few times but it`s tricky and in my view overly complicated.After all, in a lucid dream you`re almost there already!

Happy Trails

[Tombo]

Good techniques coral1, I'll work on that. Thanks a lot!
BTW: You said  an LD is almost in the Astral, what did you mean? After all you describe the seperation feelings after the LD, which would point in the direction that a LD is not in the Astral. What's your view?

Loco: What people mean if they say an LD is the same as a OBE is that they believe both happen in the Astral. Of course an OBE is happening near the physical in a lower Astralplane. In contrast if you LD, your Astralbody is transfered into an Astraldreamscenery then you become lucid being in that "Area". The exit sensations would then be happening while you were asleep, therefor you wouldn't remember them.
But both experiences would be "Astraljourneys" and you could transform one into the other.The difference mainly being the conscious.
In the opposite one could also have the opinion, that LD and OBE are completely different experiences. For example using different  energetic bodies. Or one could also believe that Dreams are created in the brain while during OBE there's really something leaving the physical body.
Interestingly Rober Bruce as well as William Buhlman seem to have the opinion, that a LD is something quite different then an OBE/Astraltravel
Hope I made It clear...
Tom

[coral1]

Hi tombodenmann,

I believe that dreams,lucid dreams,OBE`s, and Astral Projections share a good deal of common ground.I`ll often experience elements of all these altered states during the same event.In my opinion LD`s and AP are one and the same, the difference being the level of concious awareness and energy.My perception of moving from one level to the next involves the more classic OBE effects,perhaps because I EXPECT them to happen.That said, it`s different every time and even though I`ve been doing this for a year,I by no means have alot of control most of the time.I certainly don`t worry about what particular state I`m in.Things can get strange  in a hurry and wondering if I`m in the Astral or the RTZ isn`t helpful!I find keeping a mindset of detached receptivity works best for me.

It`s difficult to discuss non-consensus reality,and I think it`s a trap to get too hung up on defining the terms we use.Everyone must draw their own conclusions from their own experience, which is, after all, uniquely their own.

Cheers

[Naldo]

Hm! I have never attempted to OBE's from within a Lucid Dream...

I should try it someday.

[Tombo]

I don't have much trouble getting LD lately. But every time I try to OBE from a LD I fail. That really sucks[!] cause I'm actually more interrested in OBe's then dreams. My technique is that I decide to end the LD and then try not to move and wait for the vibrations to kick in but in only worked two times so far. Most of the times I fail, cause I feel the strong urge the move or wake up too much. I have a lot of problmes to relax while awake so so I need to OBE from my dreams.

Can you guys please explain me what techniques you use to OBE from dreams. I would be very thankful!!!!