I dreamed I was in a class with people who I hadn't seen in years. My best friends from my childhood were there. There were people I went to high school with including my friends and my enemies. James Dean and Lady Gaga was there. :-D My college professor from this year was there. There was a guest lecturer. She was a blonde haired middle aged woman who was involved in the supernatural. She came over to me and put this device over my head. It was flexible like a balloon. She said something I can't remember and the device moved up and down on my head. I look to my right and there is a hologram version of me. She told me my soul split into two. My other half looked at me and said she wanted to touch me. She grabbed my arm. The lady told me my soul would merge into one again after a little while. The hologram began to fade.
What does this mean? I've never had a dream about my soul.
You ARE your soul.
Sounds like one of those non-sense rambling dreams to me. :)
No worries.
~Ryan
People get too caught up in the dream symbolism.
The symbolism is important. But, you need to remember that the imagery is being pulled from your brain's collective of experiences by your subconscious. The symbols are chosen because that's the closest thing your "self" can find to the information that is being received. Remember that this information is most likely coming from a place where communication doesn't happen in terms of human language.
That said, there is an important component that is almost always overlooked when people are focusing so hard on the symbols.
HOW DID YOU FEEL IN THE DREAM!?
The particular memory symbols that are chosen from your mind aren't just chosen because of linguistics. They aren't chosen because you listened to Lady Gaga when you got into a car accident, thereby implying that you'll be in a car accident. They are chosen because of the emotional energy associated with the memory. How did the experience make you feel? Where could an image of a hologram have come from? What do you feel when you think of holograms or a "fractured soul"?
You can't just analyze the symbolic imagery. You have to also consider the emotional symbolism and then figure out how that relates to your memories. This is a message for you, from you. All the answers exist in your being, but you have to use a combination of intuition and reason. Reason alone is useless without it's 'feeling counterpart', intuition.
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What does this mean? I've never had a dream about my soul.
The first thing that pops into my mind is that you may have been dreaming of an OBE you were actually having. I do this all the time. Various energies and sensations and vibrations which are being felt physically will translate over into my dreams. So, for instance, the sensation of sleep paralysis (a term soon to be banned from this forum :lol:) will translate over as someone holding me against my will. Or, this in conjunction with the dweller phenomena may be a sumo wrestler pinning me down, etc.. In
your dream, the translation of the two 'yous' could have been you coming slightly up out of your body. And then, like the lady said, settling back into one again. Just another idea for the pot..
so instead of dreaming of an obe he was projecting but just unable to translate the scenario very well to himself?
I don't mean to intrude on the thread, but explain "Dreaming of an OBE" to me please?
Thanks :)
~Ryan
I've had that happen before.
I was trying to project and i fell asleep and dreamed that i successfully projected and flew around my neighborhood.
It seemed like i "separated" from my body and experienced something that was similar to my OBEs, but it didn't feel like an OBE. It almost felt like a LD but not quite.
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so instead of dreaming of an obe he was projecting but just unable to translate the scenario very well to himself?
Yes, that's my suggestion, anyway.
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I don't mean to intrude on the thread, but explain "Dreaming of an OBE" to me please?
Although I did go on to explain, the words "dreaming of an OBE you were actually having" are not as precise as Solarity's (quoted above). There are often times when I am projecting, when my consciousness comes barely aware of the fact. It dips up into the event for maybe a second or two and then goes under again. In these instances, when i am able to retain the awareness, I can match these events up with the dream scenario(s) playing out at the time. And even know in my mind, at that time, I am projecting. A few of these I left as examples up above. For more I would have to go to my journal..
Quote from: omcasey on June 09, 2010, 13:45:29
Although I did go on to explain, the words "dreaming of an OBE you were actually having" are not as precise as Solarity's (quoted above). There are often times when I am projecting, when my consciousness comes barely aware of the fact. It dips up into the event for maybe a second or two and then goes under again. In these instances, when i am able to retain the awareness, I can match these events up with the dream scenario(s) playing out at the time. And even know in my mind, at that time, I am projecting. A few of these I left as examples up above. For more I would have to go to my journal..
why thank you, *bows*. I really wish dreams and OBEs would be combined as using two terms differently to describe the same action starts to get odd.
Because I experience these as two distinct things, I would have a hard time combining the two. I use the word OBE to denote the highly tangible sensation of floating up out of my body into a slightly less physical version of reality -(quick words). I use the word dreaming to denote a general lack of awareness. Such as when I am dreaming *and do not know I am dreaming*.
After more than a decade of serious online discussion, I sincerely do not think anyone's words or language needs to change. It is almost ridiculous to ask it. What I feel does need to happen is an authentic dive into the heightening of listening skills. This takes a person beyond the words and into true meaning. This will only happen when there is a desire for true understanding and communication. In jnana it is a practice called "Shravana". Highly worthwhile. The contact that happens within this is stunning.
Quote from: omcasey on June 09, 2010, 20:15:45
Because I experience these as two distinct things, I would have a hard time combining the two. I use the word OBE to denote the highly tangible sensation of floating up out of my body into a slightly less physical version of reality -(quick words). I use the word dreaming to denote a general lack of awareness. Such as when I am dreaming *and do not know I am dreaming*.
After more than a decade of serious online discussion, I sincerely do not think anyone's words or language needs to change. It is almost ridiculous to ask it. What I feel does need to happen is an authentic dive into the heightening of listening skills. This takes a person beyond the words and into true meaning. This will only happen when there is a desire for true understanding and communication. In jnana it is a practice called "Shravana". Highly worthwhile. The contact that happens within this is stunning.
telepathy works too, but, as humanity evolves as does the terminology used.
Listening, as any 'receiving' type skill is a good beginning to telepathy.
And I agree- yet in terms of evolution, there will always be those who are more evolved, and those less evolved than you. So the terminology used will always exist with an inherent range. I did not understand this when ego was very strong and everything was so predominantly 'me me me'. But when ego gave, and I was able to let others into my picture everything slowly became clear. Listening, for me, will always exist as the central aspect in communication. If I do not receive you, if I stop your words short at my own definitions I will never hear you. I will hear only me. I have done this. It is quite unsatisfying. Receiving you, I must say is so much more fine.
terminology used has to be accepted by the majority otherwise its purpose is lost as everyone having different definitions is counter productive to communication. That is why humanity as a majority must evolve, or at least, those in the realms of its usage, for the terminology to be accepted. I understand that in communication the seeking to understand what others actually mean by the words given is important, yep.
I agree that when teaching, a common vocabulary is necessary. But not otherwise. We live in a diverse world, Solarity. Many languages, many varying definitions for words. I have never known a time of consensus and suspect there will never be one. Necessarily so. What I have known is a way to get beyond the word(s), beyond the outer layer of word communication and into the meaning within. I have gone beyond even this, into a person's heart and mind. Into glimpsing, visually, the multiple layers of experience(s) which brought this one to saying what s/he is now. Listening is the key. Opening up and actually letting someone else in. It is not easy, but it can be done. This is the way humanity as a whole can evolve. As we each agree to do this we will go beyond our previous experience. Beyond the word(s).
you're basically telling people to use intuition or telepathy.
the words are irrelevant, it's the feeling and intention behind the words.
and that's what you're telling us to do.
i said this the other day and you disagreed with me.
PR,
I give my all to not position myself in disagreement with anyone anymore. I did not disagree with what you said, I thought you covered this well. If you go up there and read again you may hear something new. It would have been polite to address both Xanth and you, but instead I flowed on and added to the mix.
Words are our central means of communicating with each other. For this reason I am not finding them wholly irrelevant (although I believe I get your sentiment in saying this). More than anything else what I care to put through is that there is more than the word alone. There is the speaker's meaning behind them. There is a person! there. And, truly, just WOW what all is in this.
Listening is certainly the first step toward feeling close with one's basic intuition, as well as contacting another directly as in telepathy, yes.. Not wholly identical things, but yes..
Quote from: omcasey on June 09, 2010, 22:38:43
I agree that when teaching, a common vocabulary is necessary. But not otherwise. We live in a diverse world, Solarity. Many languages, many varying definitions for words. I have never known a time of consensus and suspect there will never be one. Necessarily so. What I have known is a way to get beyond the word(s), beyond the outer layer of word communication and into the meaning within. I have gone beyond even this, into a person's heart and mind. Into glimpsing, visually, the multiple layers of experience(s) which brought this one to saying what s/he is now. Listening is the key. Opening up and actually letting someone else in. It is not easy, but it can be done. This is the way humanity as a whole can evolve. As we each agree to do this we will go beyond our previous experience. Beyond the word(s).
I can understand one's upbringing, experiences, and get a general understanding of their self based upon their word choice and the varying nuances they subscribe to. I don't think that is special so much, depending on the accuracy of one's psychological analysis. If you want though, you can gaze into the deepest catacombs of my soul as my throbbing heart lay bare upon the cold floor and I'll let you know how accurate you are.
We are not connecting yet, Solarity. But when we do, most specially if it happens to be two-way I think you are going to like it. As well as be experiencing something a little different than psychological analysis.
Sending a warm blast....
I think you stunned him. :lol:
You are my new inspiration btw, Casey. :-)
just because mike isn't returning the warm fuzzies doesn't mean he's stunned.
btw mike, you are my new inspiration.
Quote from: omcasey on June 09, 2010, 23:16:28
We are not connecting yet, Solarity. But when we do, most specially if it happens to be two-way I think you are going to like it. As well as be experiencing something a little different than psychological analysis.
Sending a warm blast....
mmk, warm blasts are good, especially ones explodin with love. I wanted to know the results of your visualizing but I guess it'll have to wait, unfortunately. It's not as though I don't believe two people can connect at such a deep level, if I somehow made that impression.
Quote from: Naykid on June 09, 2010, 23:36:45
I think you stunned him. :lol:
You are my new inspiration btw, Casey. :-)
yep, *is stunned x.x*, helpless and vulnerable
Quote from: personalreality on June 09, 2010, 23:55:12
just because soli isn't returning the warm fuzzies doesn't mean he's stunned.
btw soli, you are my new inspiration.
no you
Okay now I am both smiling AND impressed, could have gone off track there so thank you for the high spirited return, Solarity.
Going back a bit, I found this in my journal videos about how things transfer over into dreams---
http://www.youtube.com/omcasey1#p/u/9/jbghmfRNikw (http://www.youtube.com/omcasey1#p/u/9/jbghmfRNikw)
note: "higher energies" = kundalini
the direct bit starts at 2:50
[ now you'll see me really looking my age, Nay :-) ]
hope that whole ascension thing is going well
Thank you, PR, it is coming along....
Quote from: omcasey on June 10, 2010, 00:26:20
Okay now I am both smiling AND impressed, could have gone off track there so thank you for the high spirited return, Solarity.
wow smiling and impressed, this is deserving of a cookie no?
A cookie at the very! least. I have enjoyed the discussion, Solarity, PR, everyone.. thank you . .
Quote from: omcasey on June 10, 2010, 13:15:58
A cookie at the very! least. I have enjoyed the discussion, Solarity, PR, everyone.. thank you . .
*munches*, I will say you have made me analyze people's emotions more in what they say verbally as it helps to understand the reason as to why they said it. It adds another layer of depth to one's communication that is often overlooked consciously. Text is harder to understand though because you to basically guess the tone based upon the structure of the verbiage.