here's 2nd lucid inducer at:
http://stealthassassins.20m.com/cgi-bin/i/images/lucid_helper.gif
or go to
http://stealthassassins.20m.com/cgi-bin/i/images
then click lucid_helper.gif if it says can't link.
I have to use a library computer,so I can watch that spiral thing before bed,but I wonder if I could just make one out of a drawing on a piece of paper,the spin it on a pencil or something?
it wouldn't work they say the spiral just slows down the brain waves and relaxes you and the subliminal message is the text that is running across the screen fast so your subconscious picks up the message. I did try it last night it does work as in dream recalling was easy and more dreams I can recall but if you keep doing it on a consistent basis who knows may go lucid after.
I found a really neat visual/subliminal message I'm going to try it out tonight they say watch it 20minutes before going to sleep most people said they atleast were able to remember their dreams and others say they went lucid. link is at http://handyhub.smokepit.cjb.net/lucid_dreaming/lucidsub.htm here are posts about it at this site:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~pasquale/TTM/r1/index.html