The title says it all. The Download/upload whatever you want to call it. :|
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It's the most powerful, overwhelming experience you can have in your Dreams. It's so powerful that you can only bare witness to it for a short time before it completely shuts you conscious awareness/minds off.
It must be a Forbidden or Taboo topic, because no one seems to talk about it. I have looked for info everywhere. Even Kurt Leland in this article didn't mention it. http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2006/99-recognizing-simulations-astral-plane
I will be sending a email to Kurt on this subject though. I think he might want to add a 6th kind of Dream to his thinking.
What is it you may ask? It's when you gain consciousness during some kind of powerful information sharing that is completely unintelligible from a Human standard. It makes no sense at all. It consists of shapes and what appears to be a language of some sort, not found on this Earth. Is this why no one talks about it? Is it ridicule they fear or is it that they fear that they think they must be going nuts themselves, lol?
We are taught that there is difference between man and machine. We see how the Scientists are working feverishly on bringing the two of them together. Are they not already though? Are we not machines, computers of a kind already? Look at the evidence for it. Everything we learn goes in as input. We have a storage area, just as a computer does. As to what I have seen, we can be can be uploaded/downloaded as well. I think Science needs to look a bit closer at this phenomenon. We also have a central hub, the brain, that processes all incoming information on a daily basis, then controls our physical body accordingly.
Last night I had became aware in my Dream, during another one of these. It didn't seem like a Dream though. It just seemed like I was in the dark 3D zone and information was pouring in. I tried to stay consciously aware of it as long as I could, but only lasted about 2 minutes. It was just too overwhelming. I have become aware of 5 of these now just this year. I have become aware of these period, for about 2 years now.
Could this be an actual NPR (Non Physical Realm/Reality) level/area or Dimension, where there is only information sharing?
I know someone else out there has also experienced this. Most likely many people, but as I said, it seems to be a taboo or forbidden topic. Normally I don't speak of this phenomenon as well. I am normally told what I can share and what I can't. When I awoke this morning I just "knew" somehow that I could finally bring this subject to light. Well I have made this thread to do just that. I would love to hear your opinions, stories, experiences with this as well.
Thank You! :-)
I don't know if this is the exact same phenomenon as you experience. For me I'm aware of it only 15-20 seconds before I wake up. I feel a very powerful, profound knowledge is being communicated to me. This last time it happened, I tried to wake up very slowly to see if I could hang on to it as I phased back to the physical. For a few seconds there I thought it was working, but as soon as I completely crossed over it was gone. I don't recall seeing shapes in mine, though. It could be a download or it could be I'm just accidentally experiencing the nightly activities of my higher self. I think if I could be there for 2 minutes like you are, I'd have a better idea about that.
Quote from: soarin12 on August 05, 2014, 21:03:18
I don't know if this is the exact same phenomenon as you experience. For me I'm aware of it only 15-20 seconds before I wake up. I feel a very powerful, profound knowledge is being communicated to me. This last time it happened, I tried to wake up very slowly to see if I could hang on to it as I phased back to the physical. For a few seconds there I thought it was working, but as soon as I completely crossed over it was gone. I don't recall seeing shapes in mine, though. It could be a download or it could be I'm just accidentally experiencing the nightly activities of my higher self. I think if I could be there for 2 minutes like you are, I'd have a better idea about that.
Thanks for sharing Soarin! :-)
I had to fight like some kind of "Astral Prize Fighter", just to stay aware for those two minutes and still I didn't see anything that made any sense at all. The shapes I was seeing ere disk like, but they were flying me at a rapid speed. They weren't totally discs, but had somewhat of a oval, disc shape to them. The language (at least that's what I think it could be), looked to be a some kind of Ancient Cuneiform. But again, not anything I have ever seen before. It was incredibly intense and caused my conscious awareness of it to shut down.
No form, massive amounts of data?
You've connected with the source my friend.
It is far outside a human minds capabilities to comprehend in its raw form. A telepathic link ,one you need to filter the data to a specific item. It comes instantly in the same form as an imprint.
You have all knowledge in all time at your disposal.
Did you feel how insignificant our mind is by comparison?
I could say more...
Its an achievement and a rare one too, to get to experience.
Any information recieved is going to take time to comprehend. It unfurls as you read, a second can give you the knowledge of everything in human history. So much, so fast, like a dream, you wake and have to write down keywords or it's lost.
Familiar?
Quote from: Szaxx on August 05, 2014, 21:55:50
No form, massive amounts of data?
You've connected with the source my friend.
It is far outside a human minds capabilities to comprehend in its raw form. A telepathic link ,one you need to filter the data to a specific item. It comes instantly in the same form as an imprint.
You have all knowledge in all time at your disposal.
Did you feel how insignificant our mind is by comparison?
I could say more...
Its an achievement and a rare one too, to get to experience.
Any information recieved is going to take time to comprehend. It unfurls as you read, a second can give you the knowledge of everything in human history. So much, so fast, like a dream, you wake and have to write down keywords or it's lost.
Familiar?
You have described it to a "T", Szaxx. That doesn't surprise me at all though, my friend! :wink:
I felt like my Human mind was obsolete compared to this. This gives new meaning to the term "information overload", it just keep coming and coming, moving faster and faster, until I couldn't bare it anymore.
It also totally wiped out any other LD's afterwards as well.
I got up to use the bathroom shortly after and found that I had only been asleep for about 3 hours. So, I figured I still had a couple of good LD's ahead of me. But no, my mind was blank when I awoke for the day, except for the memory of this Download experience. That one I usually don't get over for about a month. There's nothing that really compares with it. At least nothing I have experienced as of yet.
Like soarin, I have noticed the Download in the last 10-20 seconds as I am awaking. It reminds me EXACTLY of a system update, or compressed file being unzipped. I don't get any information or symbols but I know instantly that it is profound information, just a simple, soft zzzzzzzzzzzzzzziiiiippp...and it's done. And, like Lion, the rest of the day or two is strangely quiet, like I am assimilating. I've had three of these that I remember, starting back in 2009. I've also had the Download in the middle of the night at least twice. It occurs deep in sleep and I don't awaken, but do come aware enough to realize that the Download is taking place, then sink back into sleep.
And as some of you know, I've had the teleconference experience twice, recently. It may be related, but is a more active, participatory sharing of information.
This has all opened a new area of experience for me: Not just dreams or LDs, not just APs, but also semi-conscious mental activity while my body is sound asleep. Fascinating, I had no idea I could be so active while snoozing. Lol
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on August 05, 2014, 23:38:51
Like soarin, I have noticed the Download in the last 10-20 seconds as I am awaking. It reminds me EXACTLY of a system update, or compressed file being unzipped. I don't get any information or symbols but I know instantly that it is profound information, just a simple, soft zzzzzzzzzzzzzzziiiiippp...and it's done. And, like Lion, the rest of the day or two is strangely quiet, like I am assimilating. I've had three of these that I remember, starting back in 2009. I've also had the Download in the middle of the night at least twice. It occurs deep in sleep and I don't awaken, but do come aware enough to realize that the Download is taking place, then sink back into sleep.
And as some of you know, I've had the teleconference experience twice, recently. It may be related, but is a more active, participatory sharing of information.
This has all opened a new area of experience for me: Not just dreams or LDs, not just APs, but also semi-conscious mental activity while my body is sound asleep. Fascinating, I had no idea I could be so active while snoozing. Lol
You have described it excellently as well, EV. :-)
I created this thread because I knew a few of you guys knew what I was talking about and I had a feeling that those few would indeed be Moderators here. :wink:
Usually I keep things like this to myself. But this time, I had an extremely strong impulse to share it here. That means it was time to. :wink:
This is what I talked about when I mentioned "pushing further" in the Moderator Forum, while I was a Moderator, earlier this year. Positive progress is always a good thing. :-)
I believe Tom C is aware and really hope he has some available info on the filtering technique he uses.
As finding suitable words to describe it fully are nonexistent. The filtering of info the instant you're connected is ever harder to describe.
Precision is required and although you can't ask a question as all the answers are already present, it's your 'receptiveness' to specifics that needs working on.
The speed of thought is too slow but you can catch snippets. These unfold into a great deal of info ad long as you undo them in order.
The lack of successful projections afterwards is a no-brainer, you NEED this time to start unpacking the data.
The biggest problem is bringing these imprints into the physical. They're a thousand times better if unpacked in the NP. The data is read easily, the recall in the physical is another one for you to experience. At present it should feel immense and hardly any of it is translated into a linear time mental construct we call permanent memory.
Ain't it wonderful.
Ain't it a (slang female dog).
Quote from: Szaxx on August 06, 2014, 06:24:51
I believe Tom C is aware and really hope he has some available info on the filtering technique he uses.
As finding suitable words to describe it fully are nonexistent. The filtering of info the instant you're connected is ever harder to describe.
Precision is required and although you can't ask a question as all the answers are already present, it's your 'receptiveness' to specifics that needs working on.
The speed of thought is too slow but you can catch snippets. These unfold into a great deal of info ad long as you undo them in order.
The lack of successful projections afterwards is a no-brainer, you NEED this time to start unpacking the data.
The biggest problem is bringing these imprints into the physical. They're a thousand times better if unpacked in the NP. The data is read easily, the recall in the physical is another one for you to experience. At present it should feel immense and hardly any of it is translated into a linear time mental construct we call permanent memory.
Ain't it wonderful.
Ain't it a (slang female dog).
Yep , it's wonderful and I put my out my intent on learning more about this phenomenon.
Last night before I woke to use the bathroom a couple of hours after I went to sleep, I found myself in a what I thought was a room that was filled with solid white light. I didn't "see" a room, I just felt I was in one. I also didn't sense anyone else around. Sometimes I feel this room, (which I have found myself in often), is a quiet zone just made to ponder things. It does seem different somehow from the 3D dark zone though. Possibly because you can't see depth through the strong white light.
The white room has been used for two purposes that stand out from experiences, one was in a simulation for various lessons, the other initial use, was part of a guided tour to a very nice place from my early days in the astral proper.
The latter did seem larger than the void, it was formless but a physical world impression was implanted so I could comprehend what was there.
Since then the latter white room gave access to many respected 'religious entities', some I recognised some not. I was very young and influenced by religion. All a resultant indoctrination of my birthplace.
It is different from the void, it has a distinct purity, again words fail.
In more recent experiences, it's an environment close to the source.
Quote from: Szaxx on August 06, 2014, 20:28:45
The white room has been used for two purposes that stand out from experiences, one was in a simulation for various lessons, the other initial use, was part of a guided tour to a very nice place from my early days in the astral proper.
The latter did seem larger than the void, it was formless but a physical world impression was implanted so I could comprehend what was there.
Since then the latter white room gave access to many respected 'religious entities', some I recognised some not. I was very young and influenced by religion. All a resultant indoctrination of my birthplace.
It is different from the void, it has a distinct purity, again words fail.
In more recent experiences, it's an environment close to the source.
Another great description brought to you by the one and only Szaxx, lol! :-D 8-) Again a bullseye my friend! http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/217/5/0/Free_Bullseye_Icon_by_Erua.gif
The purity and "safeness" in there was definitely felt! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on August 05, 2014, 18:14:25
What is it you may ask? It's when you gain consciousness during some kind of powerful information sharing that is completely unintelligible from a Human standard. It makes no sense at all. It consists of shapes and what appears to be a language of some sort, not found on this Earth. Is this why no one talks about it? Is it ridicule they fear or is it that they fear that they think they must be going nuts themselves, lol?
Shapes and sounds and vibrations?
I learned recently that Knowledge is the amount of information someone can contain. When we strive for Knowledge, we strive for more Information.
Intelligence is not how fast or focused we can process this information, but The capacity to Connect Real Facts of the Whole Knowledge gathered to create more facts and get that "OMG I get it's all logical sensation" or a "New" Idea, or just a realization of something bigger, that is coded or not written in books, or even written in code. But that by all means and purpouses, you know it's logicall because of the amount of information you have gathered, based in Truth.
I just hope this statement can point you to something. lol :-D
Quote from: Lionheart on August 05, 2014, 18:14:25
I know someone else out there has also experienced this. Most likely many people, but as I said, it seems to be a taboo or forbidden topic. Normally I don't speak of this phenomenon as well. I am normally told what I can share and what I can't. When I awoke this morning I just "knew" somehow that I could finally bring this subject to light. Well I have made this thread to do just that. I would love to hear your opinions, stories, experiences with this as well.
I haven't had a Download myself, merely yesterday I had my first "Alien Experience/Dream" in.. forever. to keep it short.
I was in my bedroom, wanted to go to the pool, saw out of the windows, saw Points of light all over my city, went running to rooftop.
they were speeding all over the sky, i shouted, they seemed to hear me, i got a bit scared they were heading downwards to me, my mom came out, said they were good, I gained Counciousness/Clarity, And one this Most beautiful Oval Golden like Flying Machines UFOs descended transforming into a Golden Robot of average human stature that shined more than any other material shine I've ever seen. Said they were multidimensional beings, and mom was one of them.lol
Said they were gathering and time is close.
Now, what I saw, I've never seen in my life or in any other dream/projection. We had a long talk, I had never had such long intellectual talk in my dreams, ever. I could only fell Love and Good intentions and was aware of those emotions and vibrations.
What do I think Lionheart? I think we all better start getting info and connecting dots :-)
Perhaps something is happening somewhere soon with us aware of it. or not. Speculating is entertaining.
Quote from: Rakkso on August 06, 2014, 22:02:57
What do I think Lionheart? I think we all better start getting info and connecting dots :-)
Perhaps something is happening somewhere soon with us aware of it. or not. Speculating is entertaining.
I think we are being communicated in a way that can't be blocked. Which is consciousness to consciousness! :wink:
I have had the first part of your Dream countless times. But my "friends" never turned into robots. Reading that looked like many of the entries in my Dream Journal, lol!
Thanks for the share! :-)
I just accessed my email and saw that not only had Kurt replied to me, which I am extremely THANKFUL for, but he also gave me permission to share his theories and explanations on said event as well. Here is that reply.
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Thanks for writing and I'm glad you got some benefit from that article on my website. Thanks also for the invitation to Astral Pulse. Things are a bit crazy with me at the moment--I've been doing a lot of writing. My experience with forums is that they take a lot of time, which I don't have right now. So I'll respond to your question and post (which I read) here. If you want to paste my reply into the thread on your dream, go ahead. I may check in from time to time to see people's comments.
I've noticed that even advanced dreamers and astral projectors often don't recognize when they've shifted up a notch onto a higher plane and/or into a higher body. The experience you describe has the hallmarks of what I would call a mental plane adventure, rather than the usual astral plane dream/projection, which is what my article was about.
I've been using a system for monitoring my own and other people's progress by means of the chakras. The assumption is that we have multiple energy bodies, each one suitable for experience on a particular plane. As the plane gets "higher," the experiences in the body that goes with it get harder to bring back. Each energy body has a set of inner senses designed to function on that plane--but all, some, or none may be functional.
The development of each energy body follows the same pattern, which for the sake of convenience, I divide into seven stages correlated with the chakras:
1. Embodiment in a new body
2. Sense experience of the new plane
3. Ability to move on the new plane
4. Ability to sense and identify the beings of that plane
5. Ability to communicate/relate with such beings
6. Coherent perception of the plane
7. Transcending the perceptual biases of the plane (and moving on to the next)
Applying this system to your dream, what I see is that you have a sense of a body (you versus not you; or receiver versus download source), that you're having sense experiences (the feeling of uploads/downloads). But you don't describe self-propelled movement on this plane. You assume the presence of other beings, but can't perceive them or communicate clearly with them (two-way). There's no coherent perception of your surroundings, the beings, or the nature of the communication. You can't transcend the perceptual biases of the plane because you don't yet know what they are.
So it looks to me like you've shifted into a new body--which is quite an achievement--but the inner senses/chakras beyond the first two are not yet up and running. Further experience might help you activate the others.
If you're lucid enough during these experiences, ask someone to show themselves and teach you the language the communication comes in. I call this language feel/think. It's a feeling-based telepathy. Some years ago I got several lessons in how to use it. One involved finding myself between two nonhuman nonphysicals in a more or less spaceless environment that I call the Nonhuman Zone. I felt like I was drowning in a love so intense that it went way beyond anything I'd ever experienced on the human plane. I had to fight to get to the surface of this love because it was so overwhelming--and when I did, I discovered that this was the ordinary level of conversation between such beings.
So, some stuff to chew on. Good luck with it.
All best,
Kurt
All of this seems very interesting and although my experience isn't what you guys are describing I was however able to recall it because of reading this. It was during a time that I stopped going to public school to be home schooled and did my work on a computer program. I wasn't very responsible and spent late nights playing games so in the morning when I woke up to do my work and sat down to start reading the lessons I would doze off. I never realized that I had fallen asleep to begin with so I went through my dream, continuing to read my lesson. Reading through sentences and continuing learning... what I thought was my science lessons, or English lesson, but then I would jerk awake and continue reading only to be confused because the content of the lesson would be completely different which would bring me to further confusion when I realized that I couldn't remember what I had read to begin with.
It was very frustrating because I desperately wonder what I had read, but all I could recall was that it made complete sense and felt like I was actually learning something.
Once again Kurt makes another comment that's 100% with my experiences.
"There's so much love you don't want to come back."
I've posted this a few times already and Kurt in his explanation says " I felt like I was drowning in love..."
The communications are also telepathic in nature, again they are different from that used in the Earthlike astral environments.
It's a more all encompassing feeling and it has to be felt to be appreciated.
Just being within the environment is overwhelming, again nothing physical comes anywhere near. I have posted this before in a response a while back.
Next time this occurs and I am sure there will be a next time, I shall focus on leaving the awe and overwhelming until I awaken and actually try to communicate with this incredible Source while the actual data link is occurring. Possibly there is a Guide/Mentor monitoring this that might be able to help me decipher the code.
That's easier said than done though, but it's something I will have to work on!
When Kurt says 'As the plane gets higher, the experiences in the body that goes with it gets harder to bring back,' I can identify. The 'drowning in love' part, I can bring back with no problem! However, the knowledge part, I haven't been able to bring back at all. In one of my Source experiences, I remember having knowledge of everything while I was there, but I could bring nothing tangible back with me.
Many times I have communicated with other beings in the feel/think language. -Same thing here, though. All the love and other feelings came back with me but the knowledge of what we were talking about was forgotten as soon as I reentered the physical. When NDErs have their experiences, some are told what parts they will retain and what parts they are not allowed to remember, so I always wonder if I'm not allowed to remember what was told to me or if I just haven't developed the skills yet. Could be either or a little of both, I suppose.
I had an experience awhile back that on the surface of it seemed like one of these downloads, but since I wasn't able to decipher it's meaning (except on the most basic level) I had disregarded it as such. From what is being said here, it seems like it was a download communication, but I didn't have the proper senses working to decipher it. The experience is as follows.
A friend and I were wondering what the color royal blue meant in our APs. We had been seeing that color and it seemed significant, the way it was presented. So the next time I was in the void, I asked the question 'what does royal blue mean?' As a response, shapes and symbols came exploding at me a mile a minute. I tried to keep up but it was happening so fast. All the symbols were the color royal blue (lasted for 30 seconds or so) and then they morphed to purple, continued for a few more seconds, then stopped. I had no idea what the symbols meant. The only thing I could do was to look up auras and read what blue and purple meant. It was interesting, and I felt I had some idea what what the communication was about, but all those symbols and shapes had to be telling me something much more than that! My intent is to learn more about this form of communication and develop my abilities to bring it back to the physical. (if allowed!)
The telepathic communications you've experienced will have the feelings and the object of the relevant communication together. These interleaved perceptions, as you will have experienced, supply a complete answer in a far shorter amount of time than words.
This info is still being presented in linear time. You send and recieve to make sure the recipient has fully understood your comments. A mental connection in action.
The memory is retained as it is in a format we use.
The source has all knowledge of all time instantly. It's imprinted into your memory as a dream is. You move away from the source, it fades like a dream upon waking.
Whatever you want to know must be in your mind and then you'll have a limited or filtered data packet to address. This is best done while still NP, your mind is at least 5 times faster in this state.
Then with all you can recover you keep it in mind and wake, instantly writing it down or refering it to permanent memory.
It's not easy at all, the main problem is having enough memory of what you want to know while connected. Your mind is overloaded and reducing this overload seems to pull you away.
Remembering the feelings are far more successful. Recalling details is less successful as they need time to allow them to be remembered/converted.
It's strange how some missions I travel on have physical world memories removed then gaining info from the source is also seemingly removed apart from the time dependant echo.
I wonder if many other practitioners say the same. We all remember the bliss and purity but not any info in detail.
Use your dream recall methods after a visit to the source while still non physical. It should help somewhat.
Easy to say, extremely difficult to do with good awareness.
These visits do tend to wake you as Lion has already said.
Quote from: soarin12 on August 10, 2014, 14:32:19
I had an experience awhile back that on the surface of it seemed like one of these downloads, but since I wasn't able to decipher it's meaning (except on the most basic level) I had disregarded it as such. From what is being said here, it seems like it was a download communication, but I didn't have the proper senses working to decipher it. The experience is as follows.
A friend and I were wondering what the color royal blue meant in our APs. We had been seeing that color and it seemed significant, the way it was presented. So the next time I was in the void, I asked the question 'what does royal blue mean?' As a response, shapes and symbols came exploding at me a mile a minute. I tried to keep up but it was happening so fast. All the symbols were the color royal blue (lasted for 30 seconds or so) and then they morphed to purple, continued for a few more seconds, then stopped. I had no idea what the symbols meant. The only thing I could do was to look up auras and read what blue and purple meant. It was interesting, and I felt I had some idea what what the communication was about, but all those symbols and shapes had to be telling me something much more than that! My intent is to learn more about this form of communication and develop my abilities to bring it back to the physical. (if allowed!)
Thank You for sharing Soarin. I knew I wasn't alone in this. I just figured for likely the reasons above, that these were the experiences we
don't really talk much about, but should.
I also wanted to comment on your last paragraphs there. Yesterday while I was in a Phase/Meditating, I was deep in and asked the question "Is the Galaxy real". I was then launched through Nebulas, Universes and even things I have never heard of or seen before. They don't seem to be in the Human record yet either. That showed how powerful thought=action is while in that state. Ask and you shall receive. I guess a yes or no answer was out of the question though, lol! :-D
...and to Szaxx, once again another thought provoking answer my friend! :-)
Very thought provoking indeed, Szaxx. Thank you!
Lion, Wow! -about the galaxies! I gotta come up with some better questions. lol!
Quote from: Lionheart on August 05, 2014, 22:08:26
You have described it to a "T", Szaxx. That doesn't surprise me at all though, my friend! :wink:
I felt like my Human mind was obsolete compared to this. This gives new meaning to the term "information overload", it just keep coming and coming, moving faster and faster, until I couldn't bare it anymore.
It also totally wiped out any other LD's afterwards as well.
I got up to use the bathroom shortly after and found that I had only been asleep for about 3 hours. So, I figured I still had a couple of good LD's ahead of me. But no, my mind was blank when I awoke for the day, except for the memory of this Download experience. That one I usually don't get over for about a month. There's nothing that really compares with it. At least nothing I have experienced as of yet.
Yep, exactly as both of you stated. The images were rapid-fire. For me, this was an extreme and totally unexpected experience. I have to tell you till I had this experience I had never really 'tried' to do any of this.
Quote from: Nameless on July 06, 2016, 04:30:05
Yep, exactly as both of you stated. The images were rapid-fire. For me, this was an extreme and totally unexpected experience. I have to tell you till I had this experience I had never really 'tried' to do any of this.
They are extremely powerful experiences and impossible to ignore or forget. You may forget most of the imagery, but not the event itself! :wink:
Quote from: Lumaza on July 06, 2016, 04:41:21
They are extremely powerful experiences and impossible to ignore or forget. You may forget most of the imagery, but not the event itself! :wink:
But I do remember the images, I just can't grasp their meaning. Maybe you can: remember these images are rapid-fire.
A baby (human/male) laid inside a white sphere. Overlaid on this image, another image. This one a very old statue. Huge/old/oxidized iron. I saw the statue age through centuries but somewhere along the line it became aware. This made me incredibly sad as the iron statue being aware was still just a statue. But I watched as over time the statue was improved, it was given joints and movement and freedom to move. Meanwhile the baby grew into a man within the safety of the white sphere.
Then a third image displayed above the sphere. It looked like a medallion. It was the brightest gold with wings (as best I could tell) in the center. It swayed too and fro spinning. The entire sky (?) around the medallion was beyond any white I have ever seen in rl. Every time the medallion spun where I should have been able to make out the symbol in the center there was a flash so brilliant it was blinding.
Beneath the medallion the baby/ now man had realized his condition (being in a sphere). The top of the sphere would crumble into a fine powdery dust and immediately be rebuilt only to crumble again.
What I can not determine is 'who' was making the sphere crumble. The man or the 'other'.
Any thoughts?
The statue may represent a large time scale, also our progress as humans. The baby is protected by the sphere and as it grew up the safety remained. Now that mankind is starting to develop the mind for non physical experiences, the sphere is standing in his way. It will crumble and then restore itself as we are not ready for the whole.
The statue also represents mankinds development. Until we believe in ourselves and each other as one, no animation will present itself. A kind of stagnation exists until greed and selfish egos are dispersed.
The medallion has some connection with the source. Although we know of its existence, so few of us have brought back memories from its singularity.
I've shared a scraping of the surface and will wait for the words from another before saying more.
The way it works is simple. If you saw 50 pictures I displayed and then was asked to describe them all, you'd not quite manage this task.
If however I displayed 10 more plus the 50, you'd know which 10 were added with a very high accuracy.
When experiencing the source it's best to make mental notes as the available information is far op much for our minds.
If you know computers it's a Kray v ZX81.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 06, 2016, 20:57:12
The statue may represent a large time scale, also our progress as humans. The baby is protected by the sphere and as it grew up the safety remained. Now that mankind is starting to develop the mind for non physical experiences, the sphere is standing in his way. It will crumble and then restore itself as we are not ready for the whole.
The statue also represents mankinds development. Until we believe in ourselves and each other as one, no animation will present itself. A kind of stagnation exists until greed and selfish egos are dispersed.
The medallion has some connection with the source. Although we know of its existence, so few of us have brought back memories from its singularity.
I've shared a scraping of the surface and will wait for the words from another before saying more.
The way it works is simple. If you saw 50 pictures I displayed and then was asked to describe them all, you'd not quite manage this task.
If however I displayed 10 more plus the 50, you'd know which 10 were added with a very high accuracy.
When experiencing the source it's best to make mental notes as the available information is far op much for our minds.
If you know computers it's a Kray v ZX81.
I tried to respond earlier to this but the weather is all over the map knocking out my connection periodically.
I do totally feel you are on point. Since that experience I have had one other and it was uniquely different. I know I also only am able to remember a small portion of the images and feel some other adjustment was made which will likely show itself. Can't wait to explore it when it does.
I don't know computers - Kray v ZX81 is a total mystery to me. Can you explain?
Lol
A Kray is an extremely powerful computer with more processing power and memory than all others.
A ZX 81 is one of the first computers on the mass market. You could Google them and then you'll see the difference.
We're the ZX81 and communication with the source (Kray) would be too much for us.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 07, 2016, 17:00:04
Lol
A Kray is an extremely powerful computer with more processing power and memory than all others.
A ZX 81 is one of the first computers on the mass market. You could Google them and then you'll see the difference.
We're the ZX81 and communication with the source (Kray) would be too much for us.
Well alrighty then, lol! So should we connect with the source (Kray) there is an outstanding chance that it will make us KraZy to the 81 power. :lol:
Quote from: Nameless on July 06, 2016, 05:04:29
Any thoughts?
My only thoughts would be that as I have found, our experience seem to be tailor made for us. So, what do "you" think this means?
When I had my last few "download" experiences I was being bombarded with symbols akin to some kind "ancient cuneiform". It was like these symbols were being "imprinted" into my subconscious mind. I was totally aware and the accompanying sensations during this event were overpowering. It felt like some kind of "brain overload". The accompanying "energy" was quite intense. There was no other party around that I could see. To tell you the truth, I don't know if I could say I visually "saw" these symbols. It's more like I melded with them. One of those experiences that is very hard to explain using our Earthly physical terminology.
I remember some of the symbols, enough to recognize them if I saw them again. Immediately following my first download experience I went online and did a quite detailed search for any "cuneiform" writing I could find. But, nothing matched it exactly. There were a few that were close though. Cuneiform writings seem to share the same characteristics.
Quote from: Lumaza on July 10, 2016, 20:51:35
When I had my last few "download" experiences I was being bombarded with symbols akin to some kind "ancient cuneiform". It was like these symbols were being "imprinted" into my subconscious mind. I was totally aware and the accompanying sensations during this event were overpowering. It felt like some kind of "brain overload". The accompanying "energy" was quite intense. There was no other party around that I could see. To tell you the truth, I don't know if I could say I visually "saw" these symbols. It's more like I melded with them. One of those experiences that is very hard to explain using our Earthly physical terminology.
That exactly describes it. In one 'event' I saw images that I too thought might be cuneiform but couldn't find them using an image search. The last event I was shown maps with a few Xs marking key locations but I couldn't recognize the writing other than some of the symbols on the map looking the same the other ones I saw. I've also searched map images and can find no correlation.
I say saw because it's about the easiest descriptor to use. But it is more like a melding as you stated. I do wonder is we are seeing parts of the same thing.
I too have been given a symbolic representation of myself. I've not totally forgotten the symbol, there's nothing on the net that gives any indication on its meaning. All I was told was that practically everyone's symbol has all the indicators in reverse. I had 3 or 4 in the positive which whom ever supplying this symbol was impressed with. This was shown to me way back in the 70's.
The only thing in existence that shares a similarity is that symbol in the captain Scarlet animations. Circular in this instance, unlike what I was shown.
I've seen others too, apart from those in phasing, I had an experience ' the games' where they appeared on a limd of doorway. These looked like runes.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 11, 2016, 05:05:42
I too have been given a symbolic representation of myself. I've not totally forgotten the symbol, there's nothing on the net that gives any indication on its meaning. All I was told was that practically everyone's symbol has all the indicators in reverse. I had 3 or 4 in the positive which whom ever supplying this symbol was impressed with. This was shown to me way back in the 70's.
The only thing in existence that shares a similarity is that symbol in the captain Scarlet animations. Circular in this instance, unlike what I was shown.
I've seen others too, apart from those in phasing, I had an experience ' the games' where they appeared on a limd of doorway. These looked like runes.
I don't know that I have ever seen a symbolic representation of myself. Interesting. What do reverse indicators mean?
Wouldn't it be great if we could take a snapshot of the images to compare and decipher. Surely they might be telling us something.
Reverse meant that you'd not achieved whatever was expected or within your abilities. A flat line was a dead match and a forward line was where you exceeded their base. Each line or more accurately arc from the stem was the indicator, the distance from the central core was an individual item.
I didn't fully understand it, the idea itself was unexpected as all the comparisons I'd seen were linear graphs or pie charts. This symbol had many layers and looked simple. A story in one character or perhaps it was to see if I was ready for downloads. They started shortly after this.
The nearest thing in the physical is that box you find on items in shops that you scan and it leads to a website full of applicable data. One symbolic representation of hidden items.
You mean like a bar code? You may not have fully understood it but you got some meaning. You seem to do well interpreting your experiences.
(If I disappear it's the weather. It's stormy right now)
It's been awhile since I posted in this thread. Last night I had one of these download experiences, but it was of a different kind.
I awoke 4 times during the night/early morning and each time I awoke, words of a different 80s Rock bands were in my head. Each time it was a different song and when I came to, I was even "mouthing" them.
This happened 4 completely different times and each time the words were different. The thing is and why I suspect a "Download", that I don't have any conscious recollection of the words of those songs or name of the song. I know it happened 4 times, but that all the "conscious" recall I have. Downloads are normally a message received at a deeper level. So I know the message has been received and that some time sooner or later the purpose will be revealed.
I have had Dreams in the past whereas I am on stage playing with a band. But this was different. There was no visual that I can remember. All I can consciously remember is that the same circumstance occurred 4 different times and for some reason, I know the words and songs were all different.
Just another one of those unexplainable happenings in the NP! It didn't seem to have the "intensity" of a full blown Download though. My regular Downloads seem to overload my conscious mind and cause a "click out". I haven't had one in awhile though, I think, lol.
Quote from: Lumaza on July 10, 2016, 20:51:35
When I had my last few "download" experiences I was being bombarded with symbols akin to some kind "ancient cuneiform". It was like these symbols were being "imprinted" into my subconscious mind. I was totally aware and the accompanying sensations during this event were overpowering. It felt like some kind of "brain overload". The accompanying "energy" was quite intense. There was no other party around that I could see. To tell you the truth, I don't know if I could say I visually "saw" these symbols. It's more like I melded with them. One of those experiences that is very hard to explain using our Earthly physical terminology.
I've had a few of these weird download experiences recently similar to this post. It's very hard to explain, but it's like a complex concept is revealing itself to me like an epiphany of some sort and a deep knowing like I understand what "the answer" is to this complex problem. When I wake up I barely remember it, and don't remember what the "problem" or "answer" is. The whole concept is hard to grasp logically to be honest.
I forgot about these dreams until I had one last night and then remembered that I've had this type of dream many times in the past couple of months. I don't see or are not aware of any other beings, but I see shapes like geometrical patterns which reveal some sort of secret truth hidden within a concept. It feels like having a huge epiphany that you are unravelling by thinking through it fully and having that "Aha" feeling throughout the whole process like you just received an important answer to a riddle.
Perspective, I don't believe in "coincidences". I have been shown throughout my life, especially after learning how to shift my consciousness, that everything has a reason, a purpose. If you live your life with that mindset, you will find or be led to all kinds of adventures, here in the physical and in the NPRs (non-physical realms) as well. In the last few weeks have been bombarded with all kinds of info that for some reason seems to be wiped from my "conscious mind" upon awaking or even during a short Phase session. I rarely loose my consciousness in my Phase soak session. Lately though, I have been experiencing brief "click outs".
A few weeks ago I reread this thread and was going to add on to it. But, I got lazy and didn't do it! :roll: It happens, lol! :-D Well, just last night I was doing a youtube search on Cuneiform tablets and came across this great video here. The gentleman teaching the Seminar or giving the presentation here is named Irving Finkel and he is hilarious. I found during a web search that he is indeed a well known Scholar on the subject. Your post today reminded me of this and I felt that others here may enjoy this video presentation too. He gets his point across, but in a British Mad Scientist kind of way, lol! :-D He kind of reminds me of a teacher from "Hogwarts", in the Harry Potter's series. He would definitely fit in well there! :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYYraMgiBA
I vaguely remember seeing some form of Cuneiform again. I believe it is a "communication" of sorts. Yet, to this day I still can't match what I see to any "known" Cuneiform that we have found as of today. It does sometimes come across as geometric shapes. Usually though the next thing I know, I have landed in the "World of grids". That's a very unique place that I haven't quite understood as of yet. Well, I don't quite understand anything that goes on over there, still I explore and am open to "experiencing" all of it. We don't always need to know everything to experience it. Sometimes we just have turn the "analytical mind" of ours off and go on "autopilot" for a while! :-)
Lumaza, I don't believe in coincidences anymore either. I've had too many "coincidences" line up perfectly in my life more than once to be just based on chance. I find I get coincidences on this forum as well when I "coincidentally" see a brand new topic open up or resurface that is just what I was looking into earlier in the day or week.
I liked the video there. The guy is hilarious. Yeah in my experience, I didn't have enough awareness to see what was in the geometric shapes, but I'm sure there was much information, and may have been cuneiform, I can't say at this time. It definitely felt like some type of knowing feeing or download of some sort. I'm not sure if this may have been communication coming from my higher self or spirit guides or something, no idea. Very interesting experience though. I'm looking forwards to visiting there again soon.
It's interesting when experiences are somewhat common between other people. Everyone has their different angle or perception of the experiences as well which is cool.
Perspective, you are soooooooooooo right! The sense of "knowing" is so strong. Yet, "knowing" what? :| That's the hard part. "Consciously" bringing the info that is being shared back with you. I just feel, or sense should I say, that the info/message/teaching, will be there when it is needed! :-)
Great vid Lu although I'm pretty sure I will never understand cuneiform. LOL. The professor is absolutely hysterical.
I just had a thought where you mentioned geometric shapes. What if the writing is actually numbers? Do you think that might have some bearing?
I haven't been taken out to the grid in a while. I've been getting something the last few nights but for the life of me I don't know what. These may be the detritus of some sort of upgrade we have coming. Like if you were doing some upgrades to your electric and might get a few sparks or something like that anyway.
PS I have totally given up on coincidences. They just don't truly exist in my mind anymore. Might as well call them confirmations, :-)
Quote from: Nameless on June 05, 2022, 21:12:27
I just had a thought where you mentioned geometric shapes. What if the writing is actually numbers? Do you think that might have some bearing?
There are some in the Scientific community that believe that the one "constant" in the Universe is Mathematics. This link will explain that a bit further.
https://www.livescience.com/42839-the-universe-is-math.html
The problem is there are things, like Black Holes for instance, that defy that theory!
Quote from: Lumaza on June 05, 2022, 19:57:29
Perspective, you are soooooooooooo right! The sense of "knowing" is so strong. Yet, "knowing" what? :| That's the hard part. "Consciously" bringing the info that is being shared back with you. I just feel, or sense should I say, that the info/message/teaching, will be there when it is needed! :-)
Yes, the knowing felt like a huge part of it. Literally felt like I got an epiphany and just knew (something) on a deep level. It might be a type of learning or knowing at a deeper level that might express or seep into your daily life as you go through time. But this is just speculation at this point. I've just had a few of these experiences that I didn't initially remember to recall that it seems significant. Some type of process we are going through.
Nameless, I personally don't have enough recall to remember what was inside of the geometric looking shapes. There was definitely something inside of them and they may have been rotating, but more of the feeling came through into my memory rather than the visuals. I think the visuals may have been too abstract to remember clearly. I don't think it really made sense to me logically which is why it is harder to remember. But the feeling was definitely a deep type of knowing or understanding feeling, like the satisfaction of finally thoroughly understanding a complex problem. Like an Aha moment and unravelling the knowing idea to get more Aha's.
But I'm struggling to remember the problem as well as the solution all together. It was definitely a large problem, and I have a feeling it may have been a large existential question/problem such as one of those common questions, "Why am I here?", "What is life's purpose?" etc.