Dream meaning???

[The AlphaOmega]

If you want an honest answer, I think that dreams are meaningless.  I do not believe that they have any barring or effect on our lives, period.  Do you ever notice that often times dreams are simply strange details from that day?  People you may have talked about might be in them.  Events that you may have witnessed on television or the news could come into play.  I admit that I've had de javu before, but it was more like I dreamt about something and what I was doing was very familiar because of it.  But it's usually something like flipping through channels or eating a chip or something, nothing profound by any means.  I've never had a premonition or understanding about my life or my future because of a dream, and I never will, because they can't do that.

[wisp]

Lynfer,
Yes...I believe all dreams are meaningful, for me anyway. Two things I DO NOT do in waking life, manipulate others, and and fantasize (not sure even how to spell it[].

If your realistic about things in life it may help your dreams to be realistic as well.

Even if something in a dream gives a FEEL for some minor or daily waking activity, it still holds information. What the information is, may or may not be brought to your awareness right away. It seems to be a building of intuitive sense or senses. No small matter if you ask me.

Some dreams are literal and some are symbolic. They may be a combination of both. Supposedly, the more realistic a dream is, the more apt for it to be literally applied to your waking life. For instance, a dream which follows a normal (as in wake time) sequence, is more likely to be a direct message.

Symbolism means a "language". It's a concept, idea, or message that can only be represented in another form of communication than direct (for what reasons?).This may be shapes, pictures, sounds, props, bizarre,exaggerations, and more.

Yes, wishful thinkers are more likely to have wishful dreaming, I believe.

I also believe all dreams come true. It's just a matter of understanding correctly. A dream misinterpreted, can't come true.

A common thing often misunderstood are death dreams, or dreams of misfortune. People have a tendency to get caught up in FEELINGS alot. Working with feelings should help, not hinder.How wonderful could life be, if more people wouldn't let feelings misdirect them?

[Lynfer]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

If you want an honest answer, I think that dreams are meaningless.  I do not believe that they have any barring or effect on our lives, period.  Do you ever notice that often times dreams are simply strange details from that day?  People you may have talked about might be in them. I admit that I've had de javu before  I've never had a premonition or understanding about my life or my future because of a dream, and I never will, because they can't do that.

AlphaOmega- look at it this way for a while. You don't think you can have a higher perspective of life because of dreams. By saying that_ you simply cannot just declare dreams to be meaningless. Why?
 Because, you haven't had the open mind to even decipher your dreams and investigate if they could have encoded into them a message. If you never tried that- it is,respectfully saying,absurd to pronounce dreams as mere clips or Imaging forms from the day.The best way is to approach it with an open-mind.[]
 As for wisp- Thank you very much for your insight[]But, if dreams are all in someway meaningful, how does the dreamer decipher the meaning?

[The AlphaOmega]

How do you know what I've ever decifered about my dreams?  I know they are meaningless from experience.  I've given thought to many possiblities, and the meaning of dreams have come into play.  There was a point in my life when I would write down my dreams and piece by piece evaluate what I thought it meant and how it applied to me.  After doing this many times the reasonable conclusion was that it was nothing but random subconcious chaos.  I know a lot of people believe in the meaning of dreams in their daily life.  It's just not realistic to live life that way, expecting something that has happened in a dream.  Isn't it possible that because you believe the dream meant something that you manifest it into your real life to satisfy that belief?  I'd just like to extend the "open minded" idea you're trying to get me to understand.  I noticed that in your post you critisized my post because it didn't coincide with your beliefs, and thanked wisp because wisp's post was what you wanted to hear.  That just shows that you're looking for what you want to believe and not looking for the truth in this matter, which thankfully for me, re-establishes my own knowledge on the subject.  Guess I owe YOU one!

[Lynfer]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

  I noticed that in your post you critisized my post because it didn't coincide with your beliefs, and thanked wisp because wisp's post was what you wanted to hear.  That just shows that you're looking for what you want to believe and not looking for the truth in this matter, which thankfully for me, re-establishes my own knowledge on the subject.

Critisize often implies a negative term of analasys. I was 'posistivily' analalyzing what you wrote from my persperective. I apologize if I did seem to be 'critisizing' you in an offensive manner.
 I am not looking for what I want to hear. The reason I thanked Wisp was for the perspective she/he gave me on this. I could relate to what he/she said because, I had found meaning in 'some' of my dreams. The question was if 'every' dream has a message to the person involved.
I didn't know if you had tried to 'decipher' the message in your dreams. I agree there was a mistake on my side and misunderstanding of intention.
 However, understand that this is not about reinforcing and/or gaining support to your believes- Alpha Omega. Rather it is about exploring this era with open eyes.
I welcome more questions from you and others as well on clarifying the meaning of what I wrote- I would like to avoid misunderstanding in the future.
In spite of that, I still welcome all views on the matter as they will be conductive to me and perhaps others on getting a 'clearer' picture on the matter.
                 Lynfer

[The AlphaOmega]

I do apologize.  After reading the posts I see that I have probably taken it out of context.  Let me see if I can express it better this last time.  Concerning dreams...

It's quite possible that dreams can be helpful in helping us to understand our own subconcious, if it's a profound dream.  Obviously seeing the pink panther drive by in the cat in the hats car isn't going to be anything profound.  But we do create our own dreams and thus our own dreams probably somehow reflect what we are going through.  The part I cannot accept is the idea that dreams can be revelations or promonitions into the future.  This is because the future is not set.  And THAT is because we have free agency to choose and decide our own path in every decision we make.  If dreams could show us the future, that would mean that the future is pre-destined, and that we not longer have choice because every action we make leads to an already set outcome.  Hope that makes some sense.  This is the reason that to believe dreams may manifest the future is false.  Such a theory is NOT a possibility, despite how open minded one is to it, because if the future is already known then our agency is taken away, and that itself can never happen.  Well, I hope I have stated my opinion in a more constructive and less offensive way.  In closing I'd just like to say that beliefs are beliefs, but beliefs can be wrong.  The purpose of being open minded is so one can discover the truth for themself, not accept everything as a possibility.  I am open minded, but when this is concerned I believe I am right.  Arrogant as it may be, it is simply so.  Good luck in your quest for knowledge!

[Lynfer]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

The part I cannot accept is the idea that dreams can be revelations or promonitions into the future.  This is because the future is not set.  And THAT is because we have free agency to choose and decide our own path in every decision we make.  If dreams could show us the future, that would mean that the future is pre-destined, and that we not longer have choice because every action we make leads to an already set outcome.This is the reason that to believe dreams may manifest the future is false.  Such a theory is NOT a possibility, despite how open minded one is to it, because if the future is already known then our agency is taken away, and that itself can never happen.

Dreams of the 'future' in my view and experience are like a glint on what are present actions can 'lead' to. They are at times more of a reminder of our purpose and an encouragement in some ways to keep us on the path of our 'purpose'.
So it cannot,looking at it from experience, be accurately defined as insights into the 'definite' future,but as insights into our purpose. A glimpse of a possibility.
I think in saying that I have also answered one of my questions. Strange how the mind works.Thus, I realize, in saying those few last sentences that dreams really do put the mind to work and are perhaps very reliable 'teachers'.
I leave open space for more views and comments, which I very much look forward to![]

[wisp]

More ideas:  
Telling the future is a popular subject. So far, not too many have really mastered it. I think perceived chaos plays a part in blockage of this. I also think it's because it may require a multifaceted thinking system. Dreams show how one person (dreamer) has multiple aspects (simutaneous). This process can also be shown by the playing out of an orchestration, played out in music, or other suggestions of harmony. Harmony equals synchronicity.Synchronicity is the opposite of chaos.

One ultimate goal of dream awareness besides intuitive abilities is being able to put all that this may imply, to practical use and enjoyment. And for the possiblility of tapping into the superconscious (or akashic records if it fits better).

Back to ground level. Although awake and conscious, people pick up on subconscious communication during the day. How do we know that these subconscious messages received are not put to use at dream time? This could explain some of the chaos in dreams. As dream schemes become more familar to the dreamer, the subconscious air,feel,tone,or awareness can become more apparent. Still, subconscious (or unconscious) remains what it is, unconscious, therefore commonly illusive. Much like an aura.

This all may sound a little scatter brain, but this is my point.Multifaceted thinking is scattered,imo.

When I began having regular dream recall, I looked through a dream book at the store. One of the first things I read was that some people get their waking life mixed with their dream life. I bought the book because this might apply to me. This book was going to explain something I had been suspicious of for some time since getting dream recall (had enough to compare now). Well, I never could find that passage again in this book! Why? Why was something there, and then not? My only answer is, because I am one of those who get their waking life mixed up with their dream life.[] This could have a connection to why I couldn't recall my dreams all those years as well. Now that I have dream recall (and record them), this is now expressed more in living in synchronicity, or at least learning and observing it in everyday life. It's remakable to say the least.

More jabbering, but to make a point. Thinking outside the box is what I believe dreams can do. The more you pick up on it, the more you see how everything is connected. This means there is not as much chaos as one would think. Opposite of chaos is order (synchrony).

I bother to write this because I've been trying to apply this scattered and mix of ideas to my own dream understanding. So far it seems to hold promise. I'll have to write up a recent dream I had to show what I mean. The dreams are unraveled gradually.

I can't say too much for telling the future, but I do understand the way it's done. It's roughly a matter of being able to put together several (multiple) predictible movements of people,things, and events and come to the end result (true prediction). This alone suggests not chaos, but order(same as the predicability of karma) . This maneuver seems difficult for the conscious mind, but an easy task for the subconscious.In synchrony(conscious level), this same pattern is played out, only in the present tense.

Belief systems? The only belief system I can pick out of these ideas is that I have always believed in pre-destiny.

[Lynfer]

Wisp- I don't quite understand what you mean.[?]

[wisp]

Sorry Lynfer. I was experimenting with some dream talk.I'm trying to duplicate inner dialog I pick up in my dreams a lot.

Okay, anyway, if there is music in a dream I have discovered timing will come into my waking life.Things will fall together. This is fun and enjoyable. Ever have a day that everything goes right? What about if it's everyday? This would be a pretty good deal.

All things expressed by people are first created in the subconscious, imo. How could I know that? I experience dreams, that's how. If this is so, why can't others see or know the same thing? Many dreams are of a collective consciousness variety.I see the influence of dreams in everything I come across each day.


What seems like chaos in living,imo,are people following another's direction. Dreams imo, serve the dreamer, though not in a self serving manner.

Just some random thoughts. []

[Lynfer]

Could every dream a person has possibly be meaningful/symbolic? Can it no just be what you wish? I also wonder if all dreams are somewhat related to ou future- as in precognitive dreams or such. There are a number of incident's in which in a certain circumstance I recall a specific dream and feel that it is somewhat directly related to the dream. can anyone shed some light on my questions.I would appreciate it.[]