three questions about lucid dreaming

[cesm23]

first, is if there is any kind of psychic exercice training that we can do in a lucid dream that can help our psychic development MORE and more efficiantly than if practised while awake?

Like for example, doing n.e.w. in a lucid dream if it would have any effect on the energy body itself and develop it better than doing it while awake, or it won't just have any effect at all ?

Second, is it really required to do a dream log and good dream recall to have lucid dreams ? Also from what i remember my dreams (i usually have medium recall of them) they are so real life like that there AREN'T any dream signs or recurring symbols on them like i read in articles about lucid dream. Besides doing reality checks everyday while awake (which i started doing) is there any other way to trigger lucid dreams ? Doing energy raising like it says in n.e.w. is completly inefficiant in my case, as it NEVER affected my dreams quality even if done during a half hour before i go to sleep...

And third and final question if there is any kind of action done in lucid reams to improve subconcious cooperation/communication later when i am awake. I tried just doing post-hypnotic sugestions inside the lucid dream, this doesn't ever work. Also i always had big difficulties when i try to change things in my dream, they only work more or less 50% of the times. But what i would like to know, if the more we try to change things in the dreams like this, if this would have any improvement when trying to communicate with subconcious while awake, and the subconcious reacting better.

That's all.

[DrQuickbeam]

first, is if there is any kind of psychic exercise training that we can do in a lucid dream that can help our psychic development MORE and more efficiently than if practiced while awake?

Psychic training in dreams is often times much easier than while awake.  You can project your visualizations into your environment very easily. For example you could actually grow the "awareness arms" and use them to reach into your body and massage your energy body.  Or create a defensive shell around you that you can see, feel and touch. If you have the confidence and clarity, you can manifest anything in your lucid dream. In Tibet, Dream Yoga is one path to enlightenment. They have a whole careers worth of dream side exercises.

Also, your brain doesn't know the difference between sensory input from waking life, and the input from your experience of the virtual dream world. This means that anything which you practice in the dream space will create real neuronal pathways in your brain which once established will serve equally well in waking life or in a dream.

Second, is it really required to do a dream log and good dream recall to have lucid dreams ? Also from what i remember my dreams (i usually have medium recall of them) they are so real life like that there AREN'T any dream signs or recurring symbols on them like i read in articles about lucid dream. Besides doing reality checks everyday while awake (which i started doing) is there any other way to trigger lucid dreams ? Doing energy raising like it says in n.e.w. is completely inefficient in my case, as it NEVER affected my dreams quality even if done during a half hour before i go to sleep...

You could be having lucid dreams all the time and just forgetting about them.  Keeping a journal means that you're paying attention to your dream life. The more attention you pay to something, the better you get at it and the more detailed memories you can bring back from it. When you are in a regular dream, you are "mindless". You simply react to your environment based on habitualized responses. In this state, everything is convincing enough because you're only paying attention to a small portion of what's going on. Enough to be able to adapt to the situation. By keeping a dream journal you can be sure that you will become more aware of dreamspace and bring back more detailed memories more often.

Other tricks you can use are affirmations before going to sleep and after waking up, "Next time I'm in a dream, I will recognize it's true nature" "I will have a lucid dream tonight" followed by a moment of mindfulness to add sincerity and weight to the affirmation (thus giving it a better chance of being remembered).

Another way is associating one phenomena with a reality check. For example, every time you touch water ask yourself if you are dreaming, then be mindful of your environment for a moment. Eventually you will condition yourself to the point where you will touch water in a dream one day and figure out that you're dreaming. You can associate anything with a reality check.

And third and final question if there is any kind of action done in lucid reams to improve subconscious cooperation/communication later when i am awake. I tried just doing post-hypnotic suggestions inside the lucid dream, this doesn't ever work. Also i always had big difficulties when i try to change things in my dream, they only work more or less 50% of the times. But what i would like to know, if the more we try to change things in the dreams like this, if this would have any improvement when trying to communicate with subconscious while awake, and the subconscious reacting better.

This is what lucid dreaming is all about. It's being embedded perspectively into your mind. It is a virtual environment in which if you learn to become lucid, mindful and confident in, you can do anything you like. And, as I mentioned before, anything which you practice in your dream-life will carry over into your waking-life.  The same thing goes for visualization. If you practice in your mind, your brain will support that action (due to a well established neuronal pathway / conditioned memory) no matter what dimension it is carried out in.

If you are serious about developing your dream work, you have to devote a significant amount of attention to it. It is the same as mastering any skill.

[cesm23]

to Drquickbeam :

Thanks a lot, your reply was very elucidative. Anyways there's my comments :

Quote "This means that anything which you practice in the dream space will create real neuronal pathways in your brain which once established will serve equally well in waking life or in a dream." oh my god i wish i could believe on this, but i am not too sure that works also on me. Because i already have many dreams in which i have done lots of psychokinesis and in real life i got ZERO improvement on this (even when i tried in real life to move the psywheel the same way i moved objects in the dream, i never got any improvement after all those dreams). Are you sure that works with everyone or just with naturals ?

I also remember doing psiballs in dreams, and feeling a very strong magnetic sensation, but in real life is completly different the best i get is biofeedback in palms.

Sorry for not believing in you, don't take offense because of that, i would just like to know why it doesn't work on me like that.

Hum... i don't think i am having lucid dreams and forgetting about them, as usually even without a dream log every morning i always remember the dreams i had, even thought i don't remember all. But i could at least try to remember them in the morning just like i was to write them, but not writing anything, this could do the same psychological effect, no ? Because i already tried once to do a dream log, and just for a single dream i would have wrote several pages, and that's way too much work, even when using the computer to write that.

Regarding "Another way is associating one phenomena with a reality check." i don't know if this is a good idea. For example about a year ago, i started doing reality checks everyday, like each 15-30 minutes i would look at a certain place and look away and then look it again to see if it have changed. About 1-2 months later i finally got the habit and start doing it in dreams also (jeez, it took a long time) and it worked, the place would be always different. But for my BIG surprise, one of the times i can remember that in the dream when i have done that, the place did NOT changed !! And because of that i continued with a normal dream ! When i awake in the morning i was flabbergasped !! That never happened before, the place would ALWAYS change after i looked away and then looked again, how the heck did that NOT happen in that dream ? After that i quit doing the reality checks.

But now, since 3 weeks ago i started again doing it, but now with 2 diferences : i do it to a place with letters, as in a dream, signs and written stuff is 100% garanteed to change ! And also right after that reality check i ask myself how did i get here, this way i do two different reality checks at once, i hope i start soon doing them in dreams also.

Quote "And, as I mentioned before, anything which you practice in your dream-life will carry over into your waking-life. The same thing goes for visualization. If you practice in your mind, your brain will support that action (due to a well established neuronal pathway / conditioned memory) no matter what dimension it is carried out in." again how many times this have to be done to work ? It's becuase everything i have done in psychic dreams improved absolutly nothing while awake, i don't understand why, any idea of why it doesn't work on me like that ?

Anyways could you at least recommend me some exercices to do in a lucid dream to help improve the things i ask in each of the three questions ? (i mean, like that one you said "For example you could actually grow the "awareness arms" and use them to reach into your body and massage your energy body." tell me more exercices of this kind, this one is interesting). Also, i am not talking about those to trigger a lucid dream, just what i should do WHILE i am on a lucid dream besides that one you said, because just doing psychic abilities like psychokinesis in a dream does NOT do any kind of improvement in real life at least with me. I also remembered having real time sight in a dream (i mean, i could make a wall become transparent when i tried to look trought it, and of course this didn't make me have that ability while awake).

Also regarding specific psychic abilities as psychokinesis, remote viewing and e.s.p. what exactly could i do in a lucid dream to help develop them in real life ? It's becuase just doing them normally in a dream doesn't do anything in my case, and i am currently desperate to learn remote viewing and e.s.p. i absolutly need them, but there is NOTHING that seems to be giving results, there's gotta be some ULTRA STRONG exercice in a dream to do any kind of psychic awakening, but what is ?! I also tried in a lucid dream to look at a mirror, which it says in some lucid dream sites that could trigger a astral projection, of course in my case absolutly nothing happened.

Now to finish, i have some questions about that interesting exercice you said ("For example you could actually grow the "awareness arms" and use them to reach into your body and massage your energy body.") :
1. How exactly do i do this, if in the dream i have no idea of where my physical body is, i mean, to where my house is in relation to the dream? And more important doesn't this make me awake, when i try to feel my body ?

2. Sometimes i remembered that i felt energy sensations in my dream body, like some big twitching/spasms in my lower spine. And also sometimes when doing psychokinesis in dreams i could actually feel energy sensations in my arms could it be possible that this mean that it was doing some effect on the energy body itself, even tough i never got at improvement in psychokinesis in real life ?

That's all, sorry for a lengthy reply !!

[DrQuickbeam]

i learned about the "what you do in your mind, builds real neuronal connections" in a recent BBC series "The Human Mind", unfortunately I can't find sources for the arguments they make on the show.

Anyway, just because you can do anything you want in your dreams doesn't mean you can do anything you want in waking life.  Waking life is infinitely harder to manipulate than any of the subtler dimensions. In order to do something like psychokinesis in your waking life you will either have to be a born master or you'll have to do energy work and other spiritual work for decades to build a root understanding, confidence and to gain the confidence of others. Then you MIGHT be able to spin the wheel. However, other sensitive people will probably be able to sense what you're doing long before you manifest physical results.

First you should read Astral Dynamics, because if you don't know about the awareness arms, then you haven't read the book yet.

Then I would take a couple years off and practice the NEW as well as mindfulness and patience.

In lucid dreams there are different levels of lucidity.  First you are barely lucid, your control is fleeting and you desperately desire things. Beyond that level you become mindful in your dreams, and your clarity and groundedness increase from there. In order to successfully practice stuff in your dreams, you need to at least be mindful while in your dreams.  As you gain mindfulness in your dreams, then you will be much more aware of your body, your environment and the relationship between the two. Then, once you can do this, by practicing you are only going to improve the technique and not necessarily the results.

Any practice you can do in a dream, can be done with visualization while awake or in trance and it will have similar (and for some people better) results.

Your energy body and your physical body are different creatures.  It seems reasonable to me that you can do actual energy work while dreaming, though you would have to be fairly mindful otherwise you would just be catching glimpses of sensation that may or may not be hallucinations. Whether or not you can directly stimulate your energy body while in a dream is unknown to me, but I do know that you can solidify technique and build confidence while in dreams.  But it's alot easier to practice say martial arts while dream side than psychics, just like in waking life.

Reality checks work. You simply have to be patient and condition your mind.  The more simple the stimulus and response the faster you can recondition yourself.

Communication with your subconscious is also a matter of conditioning and confidence.  Really all it takes is a firm affirmation made while mindful or in a trance. Repetition might help.

As for techniques, there are a billion books and online resources for techniques to do anything. Or, even better, create your own.

Also, are you sure you're ready for this? What would you use your powers for? Why do you want to accumulate power? What are you intentions and how strong is your integrity? These are questions to consider, as you might not allow yourself to achieve these powers unless you know you can handle them respectfully.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck.