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Title: 33-fold self
Post by: Covelo on October 27, 2004, 23:14:14
I had a dream once where a lady was explaining to me that I needed to discover my "33-fold self".  Does anyone out there have any idea what this might be referring to?  Is there any particular significance to the number 33 in developing the energy body in any practices? :?
Title: Re: 33-fold self
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2004, 02:43:02
Quote from: CoveloI had a dream once where a lady was explaining to me that I needed to discover my "33-fold self".  Does anyone out there have any idea what this might be referring to?  Is there any particular significance to the number 33 in developing the energy body in any practices? :?

This is just a blind guess, but this is probably a "symbol" more than anything.  If you wanted to take it literally, I would point out that you actually live other lives today in other places.  Time is an illusion and even physics agrees with this at this stage of our group evolution.  As a mater of fact, you are often attracted by the people who are like you in other lives.  Thus the 33th you could be just another you trying to communite to you.
Title: Re: 33-fold self
Post by: Leo Volont on October 28, 2004, 06:02:12
Quote from: CoveloI had a dream once where a lady was explaining to me that I needed to discover my "33-fold self".  Does anyone out there have any idea what this might be referring to?  Is there any particular significance to the number 33 in developing the energy body in any practices? :?

Double numbers are 'master' numbers, but the good thing about your dream is that you are being Spiritually Sponsored by the Goddess (Catholics call Her 'Our Lady').  

That is fairly high level spiritual patronage.

The Goddess will always speak cryptically.... in the tradition of oracles which are never straightforwardly clear.  You are meant to ponder what is said... maybe for years.

She once told me "When Mountains of Tin are frozen, (that I) would be a Mystic".  How can that possibly mean anything?  But it was the first sign that I was being guided and sponsored.  It was not the last dream or vision either.
Title: the significance of numbers
Post by: Ta_alos on October 28, 2004, 07:08:47
You may want to take a look at some dream books that deal with numbers... the number 33 itself may not actually be significant.. however something like 3 + 3 = 6 might work too.. its up to you.. ultimately its your awareness that decides that...
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: Leo Volont on October 29, 2004, 22:56:30
That is typically the way numerologists do it -- they add the numbers together.

3 + 3 = 6.

I had a dream of numbers that also added up to 6, and was also concerned with 'Our Lady'.  I was told by this Angel that I was to be part of Our Lady's entourage, and he took me to this Train of some three or four railway cars.  In the last car was my seat, and it had an assigned number.  the number was 231.  2 + 3 + 1 = 6.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: Wells on October 30, 2004, 12:05:38
I love numbers in dreams - just this morning I had a dream where someone gave me a phone number 027... it was, and when I got to the 7 and typed it in, the phone  did a 1 instead - which meant I was typing in 027 again and again, quite a clever way to drum it into my mind, who/whatever sent me this message.

After I had woken up I remembered it, 2 + 7 = 9.  The 0 is there just so it was a realistic number.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on October 31, 2004, 11:14:00
number 33 could be the awakening of the christ consciousness.
It could even be an installed spiritaul enity(as jesus christ = demon)
33 it is to living in a conscious body( i feel to know)  :roll:
33 could be describing the female/ male tetrahedrons of the merkaba.
or just two tetrahedrons, eachone with 3 corners.
while number 6 numerology
means perfection & materialization,  as number 6 looks like a circle where from the left side flows energy in ( anticlockwise spin)
while in 9 energy flows out from the right side.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: shift_tao on November 01, 2004, 10:55:38
i remember something about the 3 fold law in wiccanism.  I think it is called that :roll:

anyways it is about the balance of karma (you get what you give), but also introduces the possiblity of having something worse happen to you in return.

thats all I've got.. other then the other comments made before that i wont bother repeating :P

You also have to take into account that dream books will rarely work because one symbol may mean something to someone and something totally different to someone else.  This dream was a manifestation of YOUR sub-conscious mind trying to solve a problem or make you aware of it.

Try ignoring everything you have been told in this thread and sit down and meditate on the ENTIRE dream (or what you can remember).  There is no need to exaggerate or change the dream to make it flow better because that isnt how it works.  Just relive the dream in its raw form and afterwards be open to further insight from your sub-consious.

goodluck  :D
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 01, 2004, 12:16:21
the merkaba is done in two pyramids btw, two tetrahedrons one is incomplete
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 03, 2004, 10:23:10
it would better, i've just written male + female.... not male/female

1 male tetrahedron = 3 corners
1 female tetrahedron = 3 corners
(or pyramids)

Pyramids= fire in the middle
while

Mer-Ka-Ba  or Vortexjah,
has got 3 times eyes or holes creating the zero point of hyperspace  of 4 / 8 Hz
(alpha energy,heart, omega energy)

i'm gonna  working on meraba, does anyone exp?
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 03, 2004, 10:27:04
Another explanation could maybe that time moves in cycles.

in kabbalistic belief systems
(decribbing the physical )there are 3 phases or steps, when
1 time cycle is complete.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 03, 2004, 15:03:26
i have merkba for purposes of ascension, don't know how it works (can't crack it into 3D), but it indeed works, oh excrement, i understood, i'll try it tonight, thx (know how to improve it)
also you can't use merkaba to ascend to 4D anymore, this path has been cut off due to incomplete ascensions (merkaba ascended and body and soul spontaneusly combusted, not a desirable thing), we are ascending to 5 D anyway
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 04, 2004, 08:20:17
Did you ever tought about descending?
Evryone wants to ascend but what is with the path downwards?
I don't believe something can burn off, by tuning one's merkaba.But evrything has got the first time i guess ;)
Have you some information, about improving merkaba(not the usual credit card stuff)?
Has this just to do with the optimal tuning of this fileds by the fiabonacci sequence ?
i guess complete DNA activation completes merkaba development...
this means ascending to 12 Dimensions and above.
I want to crack it down to the 4th / 3rd Dimension.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 06, 2004, 03:39:13
i don't really know what descending is, like to 2 dimensions ?
yes, altering DNA requires merkaba (supposedly), i'm doing it now but not on human consciousness level so don't really know how to explain it, this form doesn't understand it
this is not DNA activation but reconstruction (from other planes, as you know), but the body is all the time in 3D, up to some point, but i don't bother distinguishing it now
i don't know about fabionacci sequence, or are familiar with your nomenclature
as form ascends, merkaba ascends and changes form, i use 2 pyramids form in this first stage, and it is optimum for me, the improvement was rather symbolic + another technique, but haven't tested it yet, for i won't be able to handle energy flow
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 06, 2004, 08:05:02
i made mistake it is called fibonacci sequence
its in german, as you can see on pictures, you can maybe remember something.
The further you divide then more you have got the golden phi ratio.
However the two rotating fields are naturally tuned to 3rd dimension in some ratio.
http://www.paranormal.de/paramirr/geo/11.html


I feel  now it is a mistake to separate dimensions in this form 2D,3D.4D (it is only for the undestanding some principles)
all dimensions are interconnected, evrything is connected to something in kind of mathematical, logical *relationship* in this universe, beyond the
karmic laws of reason-cause.
As evry dimension can be related to diffrent plans (mind, body, space,hyperspace) of existence..
I personaly feel responsible to deeper my undestanding in this.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 06, 2004, 08:11:58
Here is some taken, translated part of counter rotating field of Mer-Ka -Ba:
Breath 16 - 34/21 - 2/3 speed of light code:  Give to your spirit with the inhalation the code - 34 21.  This means, which will rotate mental doubling wheels in the same time 34 times against the clockwise direction, while that rotates emotional doubling wheels 21 times in the clockwise direction.  This rotation relationship also upright received if both their speed to increase.  34 and 21 is part of the Fibonacci sequence:  1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89... etc. much of the engineer Design in nature is based on the Fibonacci sequence.  With different rotational frequencies and frequency conditions one has entrance to different dimensions.  Blister when breathing out air by a small hole in the mouth out, with large strength!  This arranges to accelerate the rotation speed immediately on 2/3 speed of light at the outside points.  It is sudden breathing out to accelerate the rotation speed compelled.  The relationship 34/21 permits to become Mer ka ba faster than 1/3 speed of light, as it now suddenly with 2/3 of the speed of light rotated.  The fast centrifugal turn causes now a projection in the center of the energy ball, this transforms the rotary ball into a disk.  If the turn reached 2/3 of the speed of light, the rotary ball takes presently/immediately the form of a rotary disk, about 17 m in the diameter around your body, centered at the basis of your spinal column.  The disk has the form of a ' flying saucer ' or also a galaxy.  This energy matrix is called Mer ka ba.  Moving in opposite directions rotating the disk is not yet stable, but easy varying.

source: http://www.paranormal.de/paramirr/geo/mer/mermed.html
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 06, 2004, 14:19:25
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/EGYPT666.html
here you have merkaba i use
i know german a bit, being your neighbour and all :), so i think i manage, it is difficult to understand words, but i get the concept
oh ,and you don't need love, at least in mine, new age rocks :P
in order to ascend you have to get rid of all electricty, or else your form won't be able to hold, and ... spon comb, supposedly
more info in english on this site http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Altered-States/Energy/merkaba.txt
i think that compromise should be drawn out of this, i stabilized the disk without the febionacci sequence, however 9/10 speed of light is more called for, difference in spin may take the speed higher but i think it destabilizes individual toward mind, i can't understand my high self at this point (well, i merged with him and subconcious, but i obtain the info the same way, outside of my body), i'll think of it more and give answer tomorrow
Title: Pyramid Power
Post by: Leo Volont on November 06, 2004, 22:30:57
Dear Guys,

Reference Pyramid Power.

I used to go through a great deal of effort to make quite exact models of the real pyramids.  Then it occurred to me that each generation of pyramid got steeper and pointier -- that there was no 'ideal' Pyramid, and that the builders were simply aiming at steeper and pointier designs... whatever their engineering was capable of.

Anyway, I decided to experiment.  Almost anything that is pointy works just fine.  Take a pencil or a ballpoint pen and point it into your Brow Chakra.  Is it not equal or better than any pyramid power?  Sometimes the easy solution is better simply because it is easier.  You might not have an elaborate pyramid built on the proportional specifications of Giza, but you probably have a pencil.

Coincidentally, Ben Franklin found that the principle of 'pointiness' works also for ordinary static electricity.  To this day 'lightning rods' are designed to come to sharp points.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 07, 2004, 07:16:55
i don't know what my pyramids are, i just get them from high self level, but that doesn't mean that  they are fine, in ascension merkaba pyramids in the end become sphere on higher levels, don't know now
the great pyramid was the first one built, along with 2 other great pyramids,supposedly, but i don't know or bother about it
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: cheezerman on November 07, 2004, 12:00:15
When I read "33"  I immedietly thought of this diagram:

http://www.angelicinspirations.com/page101.htm

It's from a book a gifted psychic referred me to; New Chakra Healing.

It's also interesting to note that the higest rank in the masonic order is the 33rd degree.  It's at that point that you are supposed to have angel-like powers.  So they say.

Hope this helps.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 08, 2004, 13:22:42
intersting reference is coming on 33 :)

@daemon..the first link post *egypt666*

was kind a simplyfied guide, but i think it could be made much effective, not only focus the root chakra at each breath (as each mudra changes, but move on, the whole spine - each mudra is closing the diffrent electricity circuit.
Maybe they mean just put all the old vital energy out of the root and passively activate it.


I suggest not try visualize this trangles/pyramids to hard, just feel them, as this are electromagnetic fileds of mind...rater you don't visualize your heartbeat, you just feel and make it beat slower/faster.

the second guide is *hell* plenty of text, and miraged information, but adds important information to open the heart centre, cause of dealing with 'high energies'.

But has the failure of visualising a trangular plane, from the scalar 2D view,
as this plain is not triangular in any y-axe it moves down the body.

I think it is important to clear the body out from astral beings & from 5-D beings, to proceed, it makes me believe that this guides are just made
to pump up energies to diffrent places lol
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 08, 2004, 14:16:09
i don't know how these circuits flow
and what about pyramid shape instead of star tetrahedron ?
i think that making pramids interconnect forms a star of dawid in 3 d, and is result of combining both ways
also, as you noticed, the emphasis is different on heart chakra and 3 eye chakra, satanists ignore heart (foolish :))
i still are not sure about fabionacci sequence, i think it creates imbalance
i feel these pyramids anyway throughout the day, but notice that they turn with the speed of light, so feeling pyramid shape is rather out of the question
your comment about fire in the middle reminded me of kundalini, i will connect both in due time
i doubt about 9/10 speed of light too
yes, i have to kick them out from time to time, no troubles with astral being, though
they have interesting role, for example some specialize in painters and give them impressions, or cooks, actors etc, some all of them at the same time
makes it harder to distinguish what is yours and what not, up to a point that is :)
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 09, 2004, 09:43:58
Quotealso, as you noticed, the emphasis is different on heart chakra and 3 eye chakra, satanists ignore heart (foolish )

Satanist rate reverse the senses, there is no foolish with it.
They just attend to cosmic energy?
It wasn't the 3 eye, they wrote about above the head (ca. 30 cm above the head, the alpha multidimensional energy center)
I guess the full functioning needs all three..  (omega, heart, alpha).?
they begin to spin? and then you realy feel this huge light psiballs.
Quote
i still are not sure about fabionacci sequence, i think it creates imbalance
I suppose imbalance is first caused, if the magnetic fields are moving faster then electromagnetic ones, but it's the same.
with 9/10th speed of l and  above they begin to stabilize.
I felt them moving faster, as i tried to extend energy in 'compassion meditation', this effect came with a long delay & i'm  unsure if this was the effect of light speed.
On astral , as I wasn't aware of merkaba, i ve seen already some triangles around, but they had a metalic look, still unreal. and an astral entity tried to rotate them to trick me out.

Quotemakes it harder to distinguish what is yours and what not, up to a point that i
Indeed, as I realized that, there were sitting about 40 students in a class. astral ? imagination is very powerful and very tight (real) .I first experienced pain on astral , as a woman tried to cut my hair... lol
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 09, 2004, 10:16:43
i'm currently recovering from my previous experiment (not merkaba related), and it will take me one more day to heal my aura completely, then i will begin experimenting with merkaba
about satanists, you are right
having 3 psiballs at base, heart and head seems good idea, too
do you have some info how these circuits are situated in the body ?
till then, ...
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 09, 2004, 10:46:18
particular i do, there are some natural blocks in between the first triad,and some kind of labyrinth inside the head, 90 degree energy turns and similar wishy washy

Your previous experiment is maybe similar to the light tube mediation. I suppose Drunvalo m. just put alot of mediations in one.and later used on comercial sessions.

I labeled it psiballs, cause i sensed the light movement first in the under the feet, heart, and above the head.( i don't pretend to be a saint, i just have been much envolved in healing)

What trouble are you in?
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: galacticsurfer on November 09, 2004, 11:01:56
I dreamed I had 50,000 in the bank and got another 5,000 making 55,000 and when I got up my wife said at 5 minutes to 5 whe was woken up ( she said later it was a mistake and she had really been awake at 5 minutes to 6). I guess this would be called synchronicity between me and my wife.

For the Chinese  being born on 25th of month is very lucky as product of 5x5 which is number of life. Numerology is very fun but can be quite complicated. Mostly I add numbers from dreams to get their sum and then interpret that but 5+5 =10 and 1+0 = 1 whereas 5x5 =25 and then 2+5=7 which is only lucky in the west.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 09, 2004, 11:20:06
1= mind/unison
2 = Duality,
3 = Neutrality
4= matter( 4 elements)
5 = 2 + 3. > air + water
5 = 4 legs, one head = human (head could be above and under)
6=3+3 Harmony of two 3
7= Harmony of matter (4+3)
8= Intellect, 2+2+2+2, infinity
9= 3 times harmony of 3 (3x3)
10= Universe    1 to 10 = binary, computer language
beyond is like above (microcosm, macrocosm) ( 1 + 0 = 1)
11= Awakening, new state
12= 1+2 =3    4*3
13 = MUAHAHAHAHA bad luck worse bad matter ( 1+3 = 4)
..
..
1+8 unity in infinity , god


goodbad badgood
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 09, 2004, 14:52:46
frankly speaking i was activating my new chakric system (i'm ascending , after all), and found out serious disharmony in my throat chakra,( set up quite nicely so i skimmed over it before, been sick lately because of that), healing it + activating all new ones = stronger energy flow + kundalini = too much
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 10, 2004, 04:27:25
Frankly and nice reply.Why you think your old ones were blocked?
It seems you lost and found you, over and over....
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 10, 2004, 05:10:20
the old ones were running smoothly, only in throat i had alien interference (and founding outside source and dealing with it greatly helped, but this is damage over time and takes some time to heal)
no, these chakras weren't there before, you have description here
http://www.zakairan.com/Attaining%20State%20of%20the%20Christ.htm
part 4, physical cosmic ascension, initiation 7
oh, i done everything myself, btw
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 10, 2004, 05:55:41
i'm will  read / light up all as I see it as effective thx.
You naturally create outside sources, don't trouble yourself to much, you gonna hit you.No escape.

PS: the number 144 is one of the fibonacci sequence.
1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 ...
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 10, 2004, 06:32:05
oh, i am hitting myself all right, this is the only way to highlight weak points, i even demanded from myself that all my limitations will be shown to me and here they come, this allows me to move further and not graciously swim in my own swamp, as most of me do
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 10, 2004, 06:50:58
You use your limitations to travel. There is no A & B.
However i just light up disire and need not to travel anywhere.I would have 'a personal flying saucer', but i don't need it realy.I am a limitation and i am an open window for others.At end I am also a limitation to their goals.
It depends how they see me.Or i am just sick of schizophrenia and i don't grasp it.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 10, 2004, 07:02:31
well it's the fastest and most effective way, compared to years of contemplation
yes i lighted up desire, and in this form it was returned to me
you haven't transcended duality, did you ?
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 10, 2004, 07:43:57
i did but i've seen duality is most the important thing i am of. It protects me, it keeps me death, well....
there is no 180° turn for duality.like there is no turn 360° for yourself.I guess i need transcend
somewhere but this idea it is just a fake.
Psi -Transportation is done (HOW?)(WOW!), but physical left as a larve behind.That make it so cheap and affort traveling with psi, to overESTIMATE with psi and not with physical.For me the perfection is to travel with both, in interaction with both.

yeah here it is "33" AND "144" AND the dark whole  between the 3rd and 5th dimension according to the fibonacci sequence:

quote:

Each virus or bacteria plays a particular roll to the health and well being of the crystalline form. During her conversion process, our channel experienced outbreaks of a variety of viruses that erupted in the form of hives, bronchitis, diarrhea, and the temporary resurfacing of a auto- immune problem that she had experienced earlier in her lifetime. Viruses tend to hide within the cells of the body. In our channel's experience, each virus resurfaced in order to be converted to it's new purpose or blueprint. For example, our channel learned that the herpes virus within her body rece
ived the blueprint for the purpose of intercellular communication within the crystalline structure.

Iow :quite dangerous to receive blueprints via viruses.

quote:

The crystalline nervous system does not have the capacity to experience the sensation of fear. This, in our channels experience, has lead to a sense of inner tranquility and peace never before experienced within her  lifetime.

In other words, the crystaline form is stupid, but can shape shift/ ability to interstellar travel.

quote:

She  has increased in size from 5'7" to 5"10" in height, her bones have enlarged, her feet grew an entire size, and her rib-cage expanded to 1/3 larger than it's original size. The rib-cage expansion is necessary to hold an enlarged diaphragm that enables her to increase the lung capacity by as much as 300%. In our channels experience, holding the energy for an auditorium of people requires a lot of "chi" or life-force.

Holding the energy/ability to listen requires also chi ... teachers can be very vampiristic / negs...

quote:

The smaller size of the feminine form is a result of a distortion of the original blueprint, and is a reflection of our lack of value of the feminine energy.

*argh* in animal hirarchies there are females, that are much bigger then the male ones.

quote:Within the original blueprint, the masculine and feminine forms were designed to experience polarity of talents. They were also designed such that the masculine and feminine would need to learn to work together and share their gifts.

yeah.... homesexual /bisexual /asexual ones are just disortions in blueprint.

quote: These are not absolutes, but the bottom line is that the masculine and feminine were designed to be different, and to pool their differences into a working collaboration of talents

yeah ...so many gifted people.

quote: It is the under-valuing of the feminine energies that lead to the planetary experience of poverty and hunger

Less people, more food

quote: As men and women learn to live in harmony together, and collaborate talents, so will the nations of our world.

Talents with harmony.One world. One peace. One future.

blablabla

quote: The "tear" caused the neighboring 5th dimensional beings to be sucked into our 3rd dimensional reality.

....and to suck 3rd dimensional beings.

Ray 15 Ray of Clarity. The Ray of Clarity is a golden white in color and allows one to see their soul purpose and direction with clarity. In the process of embodying ray 15, any vision that is not in affinity with one's soul purpose or the Divine Plane is released. In embodying rays 13 and 14, 11 additional chakras descend, making a total of 33 chakras. These new chakras are evenly distributed from the first dimension to the 144th dimension of our creation. In embodying ray 15, the lightbody is expanded again to have 18 panels on top and 18 panels on the bottom, or a total of 36 panels. In completing the 36th initiation, the auric field will embrace the equivalent of North America in size. During his segment of initiations, our channel experienced having the liver, kidneys, spleen, and intestinal tract converted to crystalline in form. In the process, strands of DNA 25 through 36 were connected within her body.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 10, 2004, 13:17:53
any mod reading this please delete it
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 10, 2004, 13:20:20
yes, this site is almost all blablabla, but it works
i learned to sieve through piles of garbage to find pearls
note that fear triggers fight-or-run, it has nothing to do with stupidity, or rather, majority of people is stupid enough to need fear keeping them alive, and still, some are to stupid too notice even that,  darwin awards for example
about viruses: well, who said ascension is safe
yeah, a lot of ascended masters made it draining their followers to death
but who said you need to follow her ?, you can initiateyourself, i do it all the time
about animals and rest, blablabla, who bothers, note that animals also descended
right now there is enough to feed the world, the distribution and greed sucks

duality - keeps you dead ?/ wtf
the point is to be neither alive or dead, unaffected by both, affecting both

as for embodying rays and releasing vision outside of divine plan, i was supposed to surrender to god at 6 initiation/whatever, and i didn't, still i am moving further, you just know what parts can you ignore/negotiate
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 11, 2004, 05:17:01
as i undestood the initiation is not linear, remember it is the 5th dimension, you / your aliens activate/remember diffrent light patterns/embracing diffrent rays..

duality - keeps you dead ?/ wtf

If my energy matrix is  'alive or mahatma', i am
death just as a transformation to further form,
i don't see higher self as a splitted form flying somewhere in the air.it is exactly me on another level.  

right now there is enough to feed the world, the distribution and greed sucks....  no, no no
there is enough hunger and fight against each other.

note that fear triggers fight-or-run

i see that fear can be trancended to knowledge.
The body is rater builded trough belief systems.


about viruses: well, who said ascension is safe


it's smells this ascension is trough alien initiation(Sirian race visit alloya.com she has written about) nothing proves that you don't be manipulated trough aliens...


yeah, a lot of ascended masters made it draining their followers to death
it is another information, but it comes from the china dynasty and has slightly do with, cause it is similar.It is maybe another Archetype (Master,Receiver) that could be transcended.This 'alien initiate' bodies going trough several energy manipulations...
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 11, 2004, 06:15:30
hmm, it takes place in 3d all right, right here, it's rather linear to support form, else causes dissonance and death of form
as for alien DNA, i was more prone to manipulation in standard human form, and frankly speaking, i need this ascension to achieve my goals, up to some point, that is
also discussed it with mother earth, i see no problem

of course it is not split off, i never said it was, we have same view on it

worl hunger is not my problem, and i am not interested in it in a slightest bit, i'm interested in what i can do now
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 11, 2004, 06:28:10
You want to leave 3d no problem, you can experience 3d (from 5d included) . Ascensions are not happening only on physical.I meant by emracing diffrent rays, that you reactivate  diffrent etherical/light DNA patterns equally or per choice, there is no dissonance in it if you do it
not linear.Dissonance is rater felt by powerful detoxications.

You're right the last text was wishy washy, i guess it depends on reader, if he can take gold out of it.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 11, 2004, 11:15:16
of course, but i've got choice whether i want to experience it or not
yes, but  the limiting thing is the capability of body to hold it, it's called embodying after all
i'll see if detox will be problematic, so far so good
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 11, 2004, 12:06:56
embodying it is.... compression/divinity resolves it.
after all... you've got no choice you will experince it somehow.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 11, 2004, 12:09:09
now it would be compression, but as they start to vibrate at much higher frequency ...
sry, by experiencing it i meant choosing what i want to make out of it, percieving it in the way i want
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 11, 2004, 12:15:46
Now we cleared out, i think. lol
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 13, 2004, 04:42:06
Quotesry, by experiencing it i meant choosing what i want to make out of it, percieving it in the way i want
You depend on others you can't live without.I understand you want to move to freedom.It is  basic human disire to look for freedom and control.However freedom and control are opposites.Of course your reality is like you want to perceive it.But i think it's quite impossible to direct experinece in such way, of course if you align all standpoints and prevent, that something happens you get it. I
just have the view, that you are spiritually 'high end'.I am not seeking knowledge or buying some new age products -  i want to find out the sense of art in knowledge.It's maybe like your desire for freedom and control. lol now i noticed, it is quite the same.

i was inspired  trough a video game:

Zelda (triforce), as this is similar sign, just without the cones outside. It is a triangle with 3 other triangles in it.
The triforce was a gift by three goddesses to fight against the 'bad' and has got the power for time travels.However the hero Link needed to find all the three forces to reawaken it.

If you look at the merkaba it has 3 tetraeder(i forgot to mentioned the third, cause this tetraeder isn't moving, it relates to the physical.
If the female polarity turns to 180° to the male polarity it looks like the triforce sign (with corners outside).

Another use of this 'triforce' could be for prim numbers (in align with it, used by musicians for composing some complex melodies.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 13, 2004, 12:07:47
he doesn't need to control anything
he has gave up his desires for freedom without opposite, and convinced desire body that this is indeed more desireable state than previous one
bliss is a bi***
the transition have taken place, another one
i switched reference point ultimately away from lower self
i will to remove all limitations from all that i am
this could be looked at as freedom, but is much more
i use all that i need to achieve this
i forgot about unmoving pyramid
however, as i recall them spinning, there it was, stillness within the movement
thank you
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 13, 2004, 16:22:39
Quotei will to remove all limitations from all that i am
the easier way would be to destroy evrything that loops back  in life.what a poor mind without a house.Better to use a Mirror Mirror house to convince the non-desirabe truth, like the simply childish pyramid which hold its own reflections in between.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 13, 2004, 20:28:45
Dear Covelo,

33 is a master number.  First there is 11, then next highest is 22, then the highest master number relative to Earth is 33.

I hope this helps.
Paul
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 14, 2004, 00:56:48
the only difference now is that i am not the house, while previously i were and tried to change tapestry, as well as furniture
mirror mirror, i have been mirrored how my experiences present themselves and it was perhaps the best thing that happened to me in last few days, at least one with long lasting consequences, i live in one big mirror
i always questioned what happens to me, weary of my limitations, but last days were bliss dominated and mind gave up  :oops:, it was simply too much, even for delusions of grandeaur, bliss is a bi***
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 14, 2004, 08:05:02
..-..-..-.. there can be only one master  :)
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 14, 2004, 09:55:16
Quote from: daem0nbliss is a bi***

Dear daem0n,

What is your defintion of bliss?  Some people might refer to bliss from the desire body.  The definition of bliss I am aware of only happens to maybe one or two people in hundreds years and has nothing to do with "feel" good.  It is beyond feeling.  It is when we connect with the entire universe and all things, reaching union with the Divine Self. :-)

Love & Peace,
Paul
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 14, 2004, 10:54:09
for me it is not just feeling good, it is being nowhere and at the same time everywhere, i don't feel like being the whole universe, but i'm all things i interact with, the keyboard i write with, the screen i look into, i feel like not being my body, but rather everything i see, with sound it is slightly different, i feel like being there much less, and not in any form, with touch i feel both objects, the touching body and the object touched, like my body was an empty space and i'm surrounding it from all sides, and then i'm my body and at the same time everything i sense, if i start thinking or simply stop focusing on this world i'm nowhere, but when i search for a place where i wouldn't be i'm everywhere, yet flow of information is limited, i can't just become whole building with every detail i never seen, but only through my senses
the bliss i now talked about was being nowhere at all, some thoughts flow but i really don't notice them, my body and mind runs like on auto pilot, so where you expressed your doubt it wasn't me that replied to your posts, but rather remaining conditioning, snap responses which make you not look like victim, or rather look human, i haven't taken care of them, from obvious reasons, and then i just wasn't observing and controlling this conditioning, but being nowhere, or rather my focus, awareness was nowhere, yet somewhere, maybe everywhere, now it is back here

and i have one question:
if all those enlightened people already had their opinions formed before they became enlightened, or rather if their opinions allowed them to reach enlightment, have they been changed afterwards ???
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 14, 2004, 11:40:21
Quote from: daem0nand i have one question:
if all those enlightened people already had their opinions formed before they became enlightened, or rather if their opinions allowed them to reach enlightment, have they been changed afterwards ???

It's not a matter of having their opinions formed, but rather having a much better map of the path one is treading.  It is called knowledge.  The path I follow as taught by 1000's of enlightened beings is one of Heart & Knowledge.  The term Enlightened has become vague.  If you are referring to born again, union with the higher self, then absolutely there is a change.  Permanent union with the Higher Self means liberation from the reincarnation cycle.  With union they have access to unlimited knowledge.  They reach a state of pure Joy, not pleasure, even amongst a chaotic physical life.  They have 24/7 never-ending continuity of consciousness.  When they go to bed at night they don't fall asleep but rather slip out of body and are of service to others.  Union with the Higher Self transforms a person into Love.  The born again person looses the desire of the "Me, Me, Me" world and enters into a new world where Joy is Service To Others.  :-)  Shall I go on my friend?   :D

But that's not the end of the story.  There is always more light above.  After being born again / union with higher self there is union with the Divine Self.  Sorry if most of this sounds like repeat, lol.  I thought others might want to hear the good news.

Love & Peace,
Paul
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 14, 2004, 14:11:53
dear pmonline,

Divine self is the lower self, it is called divine, cause it
explores in many infinite ways.(Union is not divine, a function of divine)
Union is more likely to repeat all the knowledge, knowledge comes from Divine.Without Divine, there would be no knowledge for the union.Union forms just opinions, while divine lives the opinions.

dear daem0n,

the universe is not only outside you.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 14, 2004, 14:25:23
Quote from: aleshahdear pmonline,

Divine self is the lower self, it is called divine, cause it
explores in many infinite ways.(Union is not divine, a function of divine)
Union is more likely to repeat all the knowledge, knowledge comes from Divine.Without Divine, there would be no knowledge for the union.Union forms just opinions, while divine lives the opinions.

And aleshah, who are those words?  Yours?  Can you point to any enlightened shim who teaches what you teach?

We simply disagree.  I chose to follow the teachers who are already liberated from the reincarnation cycle.  :-)

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.  Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.  Yet some follow a quicker path to liberation as laid out by countless liberated Souls.

Love,
Paul
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 14, 2004, 14:42:49
i write how i feel it, i know of micro/macro
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 14, 2004, 15:32:56
@daem0n: i know you know.
Your tools are coming from the knowledge of the macro/microcosm (altering
enemies trough microcosm, maybe passive, not desired by will)

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.

@pmlonline:Free of incarnation, whatever, the divine moves beyond.It is divines game and rules are set by belief systems.Limitations.Remember anger is one of many paths to ascension. Responsibilties for limitations.Unity is the ratio set between and can't be removed.

Whoever said or tought about this before / after me must be a shim.As i am divine i have 'incarnational'  right to know it.The divine don't tell you in which other incarnations you are involved lol
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 14, 2004, 16:02:24
Dear aleshah,

Quote from: aleshahRemember anger is one of many paths to ascension.

I don't mean to be rude but sometime I have difficulty deciphering when you're being serious.  Ascension is relative to the polarity one follows; i.e., positive or negative.  Example, the Angelic kingdom is positively polarized where as the fallen angels are negatively polarized.  Yet each side believes they are ascending unless you are dealing with a trapped personality that was left behind.  Through love the angelic kingdom rises in vibration to the light.  Through anger the fallen angels lower in vibration away from the light.


Quote from: aleshahWhoever said or tought about this before / after me must be a shim.

Hmm.  Again we may have different vision of polarity.  I choose to follow the polarities of beings such as Christ, Master Jesus, Master DK, and even Initiate Max Heindel, etc.

As a note though, one should realize that negative polarities in totality believe in self focus where as the positive polarities believe the answer is in service to others.  If one is attracted to unimaginable pain then perhaps one would follow the negative path.  Remember that service to self results in a dog eat dog world.  If one is attracted to joy and bliss then it is the positive path that they are aligned with.  Some may claim that bliss undesirable.

I am not here to judge, but rather offer any help that is accepted.  This may often sound like preaching to some but we are approaching the 1000 year peace period.  Those who are negatively polarized will not be allowed to reincarnate for 1000 years.  After the 1000 years of peace they will be given another chance.  If they again choose not to follow the light then I am concerned that they will become the next fallen angels.  Normally I do not want to focus on this but rather focus on the light.  Although on some occasions I am pulled to certain individuals to offer help.

Love & Peace,
Paul
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 14, 2004, 16:38:06
i don't follow your path, cause light sucks. indeed dog eat dog, i would never serve my help to so called 'master'.

As you maybe noticed time does no big role for me, and for so called 'angels' even lesser.
I'm not surrender of so called god or angels, i'm ratter amused that they try to divide theirself in unipolarities and don't recognize that they can be bipolar.
I'm amused about it that nobody comes to the sight that
this god turns the dark&light sides, so god/the biggest sucker decides who is dark and who is light and gives them wrong powers.


some visited links.
http://www.psipog.net
http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 14, 2004, 17:50:36
neither
still undescribeable
true light embraces darkness, we agree
transcendence comes from understanding, not negation
ascension is about transcending polarity
selfless to oneself, selfless to others, balance
"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others
two sides of the same coin, both look from self
note that my reasoning applies to beings here, now, on earth, humans

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.
it is the ultimate limitation, albeit enables to remove other, agreed

Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.
important thing in conditioning of my (lower?:)) self highlighted, thank you for reminding, negation of desires nor transformation of them into desire to help others is still in self/others duality matrix

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.
more explanation, openness

no enemies, only lost souls, only me
i can be others only as much as i can be myself, honing senses, understanding myself deeper and deeper, removing layers and layers of genetic conditioning
any other action except healing gives undesirable results, except for ultimate destruction, which gives even more undesirable results
death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 15, 2004, 03:19:14
Quotestill undescribeable
You never know what to heal and what to destroy, all you have to do is wait.
Quote"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others
However dark and light can be switched, all you have to do is wait.
Quotemore explanation, openness
i believe that inside/outside senses need a balance, for general understanding of macro/microcosm.
Sense of beauty leads not to knowledge.Sense of balance leads to it.

Quoteremoving layers and layers of genetic conditioning
...forgetting about your fathers and mothers.


Quotedeath of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
i don't agree
ultimate destruction leads to ultimate creation.

Quotealthough my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions
Quotehaven't met anything powerful, i admit
but normally i just drain them to their core (from experimentation), it never made sense to me to not change the attacker, and when they are weakened i "infect" their core pattern with positive energy, changing it's structure, and give some of their energy back, rest i give back to universe
after that i set them free, noone returned
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 15, 2004, 04:55:47
yes, healing requires investigation, destroying also
yes, balance above all
no switching, neither and both
..fathers.. removing their limitations, embracing their qualities
...destruction...creation yes, i reconsider my words and agree with you
that was my early method, useful for novice, now i have other
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 15, 2004, 06:24:19
Quotehaven't met anything powerful, i admit
but normally i just drain them to their core (from experimentation), it never made sense to me to not change the attacker, and when they are weakened i "infect" their core pattern with positive energy, changing it's structure, and give some of their energy back, rest i give back to universe
after that i set them free, noone returned
Quotethat was my early method, useful for novice, now i have other
QuoteOr should we really try to understand it all now?
try to understand nothing, really > *nothing* lol
Quotedon't try at all, silly
Quotealthough my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions
Quotedeath of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
Quotedon't try at all, silly
Quoteembracing their qualities
Quoteall you have to do is wait
Quotebliss is a bi***
Quotemore explanation, openness
Quotemakes it harder to distinguish what is yours and what not, up to a point that is
QuoteThat is fairly high level spiritual patronage.

The Goddess will always speak cryptically.... in the tradition of oracles which are never straightforwardly clear. You are meant to ponder what is said... maybe for years.
Quote+/- 5 years
Quoteall you have to do is wait
QuoteAnother explanation could maybe that time moves in cycles.
Quotethere is no 180° turn for duality.like there is no turn 360° for yourself
Quoteneed fear keeping them alive, and still, some are to stupid too notice even that, darwin awards for example
Quoteworl hunger is not my problem, and i am not interested in it in a slightest bit, i'm interested in what i can do now
Quoteexperiencing it i meant choosing what i want to make out of it, percieving it in the way i want
Quoteyes, this site is almost all blablabla, but it works
Quoteyes, healing requires investigation, destroying also
QuoteThey recalled my memory and done very good psychological threats for my well being.They changed my old memories.However i don't need my past life anymore.I am awoke now
QuoteThis was a cheap lesson
Quoteyes,....
Quotethe bliss i now talked about was being nowhere at all, some thoughts flow but i really don't notice them, my body and mind runs like on auto pilot, so where you expressed your doubt it wasn't me that replied to your posts, but rather remaining conditioning, snap responses which make you not look like victim, or rather look human, i haven't taken care of them, from obvious reasons, and then i just wasn't observing and controlling this conditioning, but being nowhere, or rather my focus, awareness was nowhere, yet somewhere, maybe everywhere, now it is back here
Red alert
Orange alert
Red alert again
Quotebliss is a bi***
Quoteembracing their qualities
QuoteAnother explanation could maybe that time moves in cycles
Quoteyes i lighted up desire, and in this form it was returned to me
QuoteA lot of Humans will have a hard time of it, almost certainly, but the planet will be here for a good many years yet. Fortunately the reign of the money-grabbing ego monsters is reaching the end of the line; and it is these people who will ultimately suffer the most. They passed the point of non-sustainability in the late 1970's and their days have been numbered ever since. Over the following decades, we will gradually see the empire of the ego monsters being replaced (as all empires are, eventually) with a more balanced breed of human; people who will build a new style of political system with compassion at its core, as opposed to advanced missile technology.
Seemingly green alert, based on the compassion system.
Quoteyes, altering DNA requires merkaba (supposedly), i'm doing it now but not on human consciousness level so don't really know how to explain it, this form doesn't understand it
this is not DNA activation but reconstruction (from other planes, as you know), but the body is all the time in 3D, up to some point, but i don't bother distinguishing it now
Quotedon't try at all, silly
QuoteAs the games end - and most of us sense this change - humanity moves to higher frequency - this means we move our consciousness faster than the speed of light - and go beyond the duality. We now see the truth. We understand the nature of our creation - we become enlightened - for we are the Illuminati - the Enlightened Ones.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: pmlonline on November 15, 2004, 08:13:07
Dearest aleshah and daem0n,

You two have made it very clear which side you choose.  Yet another hand was extended to you both.  I wish you a lot of luck on your journeys!

Love,
Paul


Quote from: aleshahi don't follow your path, cause light sucks. indeed dog eat dog, i would never serve my help to so called 'master'.

As you maybe noticed time does no big role for me, and for so called 'angels' even lesser.
I'm not surrender of so called god or angels, i'm ratter amused that they try to divide theirself in unipolarities and don't recognize that they can be bipolar.
I'm amused about it that nobody comes to the sight that
this god turns the dark&light sides, so god/the biggest sucker decides who is dark and who is light and gives them wrong powers.



Quote from: daem0nneither
still undescribeable
true light embraces darkness, we agree
transcendence comes from understanding, not negation
ascension is about transcending polarity
selfless to oneself, selfless to others, balance
"dark" believes is self focus
"light" believes in focus on others
two sides of the same coin, both look from self
note that my reasoning applies to beings here, now, on earth, humans

One's belief system is the tool to remove limitations.
it is the ultimate limitation, albeit enables to remove other, agreed

Some chose a more scenic route by following the dictates of their desire body which is more clever than you may believe.
important thing in conditioning of my (lower?:)) self highlighted, thank you for reminding, negation of desires nor transformation of them into desire to help others is still in self/others duality matrix

Have you already experienced that outside senses are diffrent ones as inside senses?Karmic results.
I don't made the conclusion to link them yet.Later am i be.
more explanation, openness

no enemies, only lost souls, only me
i can be others only as much as i can be myself, honing senses, understanding myself deeper and deeper, removing layers and layers of genetic conditioning
any other action except healing gives undesirable results, except for ultimate destruction, which gives even more undesirable results
death of self is not ultimate destruction, mind you
although my definition of healing extends beyond widely accepted conceptions
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 15, 2004, 12:36:53
..
As i abused (experimentally) some enteties, i felt actually a change in the environment/energy, 1000 miles away from my

local.After that i healed this enteties.As i tried to abuse god, i felt anything and was ticked of, cause nothing happened,

and i felt anything, even with my psi.Notice: god can't be healed.

Maybe to this moment i blamed god, i just blamed my own a** on a parallel universe....My feeling was that light-pathways

to god(if they exist)  are very weak ones.
i've written the phrase (light sucks).Anyway i transcended  to the mass consciousness and it was literally full of dul and

junk.And i had the blessing, that evry entity,who claims to be god or have contact with god  is rater a big sucker/or a neg.
My abuse on light was also the abuse on dark.Cause both extremities are dangerous, specially for people, who are very

kind ones, very unevolved, who're  hear/here to  learn and to try something new.
It is a shame both parties (light/dark, no difference) look for exactly this kind of people, offering some help.This help
often a brain- ticket without respond on normal *human* level, even if they offered help,they've done it  for their own afford

(ego monsters) and not to go on your personal dilema by the *trick* pointing out, that this kind of person you are(victim),

that any information given to you  would be useless without their authority, cause they clame, you don't actually  tried any

products, they offered,those products, which they have got typically on their new commercial sites.Whatever, for real

spiritual development you need exactly zero of this products/seminars.Of course some of them are really from the light,

mostly those who offer help to  larger groups, who are open to start discussion with evry person and who can offer a

cheaper price set.They don't claim to have special count on people they are reaching.  
@dear pmlonline
sry.you m i be don't understood some facts and it would make any sense to reply on you, cause you
descibed you have nothing to learn, you are here just for help.Anyway, i have some hope/dope for you.I am amused  

what kind of  help you offered....and impressed of your kind words, anyway, my attitude was just to discuss on

human/human & divine/divine level and to exchange some psi-ideas/design and attain more information in grand

design..
I've got very fast the connection to the communication consciousness of the whole forum(i very fast got precog state and

seen replys on  forum i had seen  toughts vividly(telephaty) before...and later, online  i noticed some involved people,

who relates very on the tought context nor a creative tought imagination process, they've got very fast ticked of.
You missunderstood some facts, cause you very fast backfired with some net links without you own, your really own

personal meaning of it.
It seems you didn't  changed in  anywhere, after you read it.
One (the best)expample was the attaining the christ cosciousness.You rater felt the presence of Jesus Christ, not tried to

attaining, raise your awareness to the 4th dimension.Your responsed personally(backshielded with

information/disinformation) and repetition.
The other fail of you was as we discussed the transcending from duality.You just looked at us as some stupid geeks
and labeled youself as the great hand from above.
I feel much compassion to you, and i think it's ok for kind a person you are, to follow your spiritual path by 'ascended

masters'.Time will come and you will ascend to the light and come back again, if you are really ready
for the real journey.
There are some vivid  theories Jesus Christ was walking on water and changed the structure of water.Anyway this is  

whole another story. I wanted not blame Jesus Christ in anyway.It's just a shame
how people missuse information, best example you are holding in your hands:The Bible.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 15, 2004, 14:34:24
embracing as needed, they are in the field of possibilities within all that you are, you may manifest and dismiss them as needed, they can also become your ultimate limitation, if attached to
trying as desiring, understanding as giving mind a favourite toy to gnaw  on
waiting is good for messiah, it serves little purpose
acting not trying, when needed, and when efficient
desire is a sense of lack, if you feel whole, desire is unfocused, desire body is integral part of subtle bodies, and cannot be removed
when bliss dominates, it is a bi***
stopped manipulating perception, i intend to see only what is there, and then choose what to make out of it
separation is a useful illusion
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 15, 2004, 19:09:54
Quotedesire is a sense of lack, if you feel whole, desire is unfocused, desire body is integral part of subtle bodies, and cannot be

Indeed, no  luck without a lack.
Messiah is a lack of desire. No desire, no emotional focus,dominated by duality.
Higher levels more active as lower,exclusive internal processing.Lack is patched by bliss of higher purposes,which don't fully balanced with lower.
Which results in not whole integrating of the living idle, which results in
obsession from lower levels.
A messiah can't wait, not for long.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 16, 2004, 02:08:24
that is the image they maintain :)
but we both know that is cannot hold :)
regrettable that saint must be only from head up, for people to believe in him, for if he would have emotional issues and such, which he dealt with, people then will be obliged to do the same
sound's scary isn't it
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 16, 2004, 04:35:49
Messiah is a lack of desire.Let's call him Neo(This one from the matrix)
Lack is patched by bliss of higher purposes,which don't fully balanced with lower.Actually makes him to the rebel, attracted by rebelions.
Which results in not whole integrating of the living idle,but the ability to controll the whole matrix/or a part of it, which results in
obsession from lower levels - love to trinity, love to lower beings(computers)
A messiah can't wait, not for long, he must face his fears, otherwise he is obsessed from the lower levels, and he is aware of it.Only two ways are possible for him: to win or to  be a mertyr.


Sleepwalker/Skywalker is a lack of spiritual powers, a need of developing them.He is in permaining sleep, his dreams are clear and vivid.He has got visionary powers.Let's call him Luke, or Lucky Lucke.(This one from the star wars).Lack is patched by holding the higher spiritual force in his body for lower purposes(wars).Actually makes him to ultimate dominator of the universe,attracted by the dark side.Which results in not whole integrating of the human abilities, but dealing with psi powers, which results in embracing the qualities of the fathers, but fighting against them.
He is lucky, cause he is dull of emotions to protect the people and feels the presence of the dark force.
A Sleepwalker can wait for very long, but only for one mission.He must face his desires and attaining focus over them.He is in a permanent disorder(emotionaly).Only two ways are possible for him:to choose the dark or the light side.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 16, 2004, 05:15:23
it's fascinating how words can become symbols, symbols gateways, gateways choices
oh, i have just been struck with 11:11, hasn't happenned for a long time
but we cannot mistake them for reality, neither let them become our reality, i have desire to interact, and you are awakened
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 16, 2004, 06:21:23
i'm just about gaining knowledge creatively no limits, but set points.(11:11 etc.)
Actually i am fascinated on telekinesis/scalar waves generation.
This is magik for the adept, deals with duality again...
look energy pages/meditation.A lot of useful spiritual awakening. brought to me by CaCoDeMoN:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html

i think this has less to do with satanism, but more advanced medical knowledge.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 16, 2004, 06:40:15
i was the one who gave him this link, although it was
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Meditations.html
it is useful indeed
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 16, 2004, 12:07:03
The Mer-Ka-Ba- teachings changed since then.(new mudraz).
Thos strange relationships between people, you never know how far they are reaching.

please explain you:

Quotei have desire to interact, and you are awakened
Quoteany mod reading this please delete it
page 5
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 16, 2004, 14:45:57
any mod ... - i double posted
i have desire... - i saw your explanations messiah/sleepwalker as refering to us, partly fitting descriptions

i will check this site closely now, again  :wink:
update: refreshing, although historical info is somewhat distorted, during war all sides are guilty  8), i also wouldn't recommend dedicating your soul to him, for obvious reasons
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 16, 2004, 16:52:15
For kids & teens it is attractive to live their life free of
xtian rituals, like by women, who are weak/awakened, who like to be seduced/have sex with demons or satan...
The use of emtional control is brodcasted by music and tv(Southpark,etc.) and behind several subliminals

i don't believe in such forces, often behind this are hidden spiritual agendas and other control seeking.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: daem0n on November 16, 2004, 17:36:29
we are much more resistant 8)
freedom comes with power, regrattably for some
everyone seeks control, with few exceptions (me :D, being a hermit :P)
have you noticed that people are too lazy to stimulate their chakras themselves ? wonder how far will they go :D:) :roll:
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 17, 2004, 06:09:26
I learned math at school, but it's so sad i never learned arithmetics or some basics.
Relationships of math and music.Relationships of math (rational) and  intuition (irrational).Relationships of intuition and music.Relationships of music and the universe.Relationships of math and the universe.Relationships of intuition and universe.Assembly and geometry brings up all laws. :wink:
Never figured out were it all ends up, just noticed i need to think multidimensionaly to understand all this....don't try at all, silly(i don't think so)

with 11:11

11111111111 * 11111111111 =  1,2345678....
there  you go.... merlyn went backwards in time...

with fibonacci sequence [1;2;3;5;8;13;21;34;55;89;144....]

2/1 = 2 Octave
3/2=1.5   (Fifth ratio, used in music for calculating a tonal sys, goes even more comlex)
5/3=1.666.
8/5=1.6
13/8=1.625
21/13=1.61538
34/21= 1.619047 phi ratio (not pi) transistion from phi to pi is also possible. :|


at clock counter there are 12 numbers, by the base of 11
you get arithmetically a system of 13.(if you let out number 12 and begin to count on +1+1)
13 cosmic tones(maya), 13 coloring tables( illuminati).
1+3= 4 sweet, planted materia, 4 elements
1+1+1+1 ....crucification/consciousness.

33 fold
33 =11*3

11:11 in
binary code:
2 tothepowerof 0 * 1 =1
2 tothepowerof 1 * 1 =2
1+2=3
33=11*3 division 3, back again: 11:11
also equalition in itself: 11=11:11


Satan lives on tv and teaches you arithmetic  :lol:
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: neutrino on November 17, 2004, 08:55:05
Corvelo

I have a book by Stuart Wilde called 'Infinite Self: 33 Steps to Reclaim Your Inner Power'.  This is a quote from the intro:

"The 33 Energies of Man was an ancient teaching. I believe it came originally from the Taoists in China. The 33 energies were said to flow from a higher plane into the earth dimension - a bit like a freeway built of light- to allow humans an exit out of the emotions and thought forms of this evolution, into a higher consciousness...it is like a beam of light made of 33 strands, twisted around each other like a rope." [sounds like merkaba? I don't know a lot about that yet...]
"It is there, in effect, to give people inspiration and to help them in their sacred quest in life. It assists them in creating a consolidation of power, which in this teaching is called Fusion. Once the energy of Quest and Fusion have been established for a while, the 33rd energy comes out of that synapse. This is the energy of The Initiate....one of transcendence. It comes upon you gradually onc you have gone beyond the emotions and thought forms common to this earth plane, and when you have let go of the ego somewhat and have embraced the INfinite Self within." [end quote]
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 17, 2004, 12:34:02
Quoteenergy of Quest and Fusion have been established for a while
I found void and confusion yet. :roll:
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 19, 2004, 09:00:31
@neutrino:
Have you got some sources about it(33 energies, fusion)?I go search for the book you've adviced...
my first hit article was this here:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_Goddess_Aya.htm

It also tells you to "Let Go", to experience  another dimensions.

Has the experience the infinite self something to do with developing the 6th /7th sense by taking drugs (DMT)?
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: neutrino on November 19, 2004, 09:55:26
Hello Aleshah

No, he doesn't normally advocate drugs, although he does acknowledge that they can be an effective short-term way of experiencing other states of consciousness. But throughout his books his emphasis is generally on the development of other-dimensional perception through regular meditation practice (particularly theta trance stuff), and other disciplines.

Infinite Self is available from Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561703494/qid=1100875758/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-3891000-8423804
I'm not sure how much use it would be to those who are much more advanced in these matters than me - it is a kind of guide for relative newbies in a way, although a great read IMO. I like the irreverent style of his writing.

I haven't read the book in a while, so I'll have to dig it out to see exactly what he says about Quest & Fusion - I'll get back to you on that.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on November 19, 2004, 12:56:17
[thx for pre-warning/time-save]
i know the theta stuff/drug stuff, i have no need.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on December 06, 2004, 19:09:08
I've got a new transmission during a short hypnagogic state / relaxion.
The message was
3 3 8 ; 3 3 8

If I resolve this in 3+3+8= 14

so to speak 14:14

while in the first decimal order , here it is "4" .
by the intent to be converted to a binary code it is  "1110"
<> 2 to power of 0 * 4 = 0
<> 2 to the power of 1 * 4 = 0
<> 2 to pw of 2 * 4 = 1
it is 0100 for 4
<>2 to pw of 0 * 10 = 0
<>2 to pw of 1 * 10 = 1
<>2 to pw of 2 * 10 = 0
<>2 to pw of 3 * 10 = 1
it is 1010 for 10

Let us do the boolean- AND operation to tie 0100 + 1010.All we have to do is to MERGE this both values.
we get 1110 = 14.

it would begin binary "1", if this are primary numbers 3,5,7,9 .
true or.  false = intent that binary "1" as boolean value can be turned from  "true" to "false",  to invert the whole message.

1110 the last is 0 because 14 is a number that can be devided by 2 without resulting in large numbers after comma, it is not a primary number, 14 / 2 = 7 ! but result a primary number by dividing with 2.

if we take the POP 11:11 message again and look at it as binary , not decimal message.
0011 ; 0011 we get decimal 3 ; 3.
33!!!

Let us look again at the 338 ; 338 message.
If we take the number 3 as a key, we get
two times
11:11
11:11
If we would make a sum of 3+3 we get 6, no coinscendence here.


If we look at this a matrix of
A B       3 3
C D       3 3
number 8 fits in A,B,C (C not completly, "1" is left. 4 is left as energy-rest in the whole matrix.


If we stay hardcore at 3+3 = 6, but the last is 8, logically the message would be 336 but it is 338!!!
8 - 6 = 2  Number 2 is so fat, that needs at least 2 bits of information = 0010  
Our key 338 here carries the message 336 but added 2 bits of information.

Our "energy rest" in the matrix is 4 and is so fat that needs at least 3 bits of information = 0100.
All we have to expect that the NEXT message would maybe add 2 bits of information, and at last
add 1 bit and invert its value, until the whole energy matrix is full /dull, if the energy tide/ebb stay constant.

If we would assembly 11:11  to 1111 : 1111, we get 15, no coinscedence here, expect 15 is the next number after 14.
all we have to do is to invert the first so it is 1110:1110 (1110 = 14)


Imagine a dimension were 3 + 3 results in 8. In compare to our dimension, where 3 + 3 = 6
in this strange dimension it is 8.We can expect that this is the 5th dimension, cause it adds 2.
5th dimesnion subvided by the 3rd dimension has 2 !! extra dimensions.
I know anything, just made fun with it...I enjoy imagine bizzare things, that xtend out of the 3rd. lol
Gideons = Guides of Eons, G-Demons


My opinion is that energy,ether, light whatever  forms-a-tought FIRST, not toughtform.
Pure desire could be viewed as forms-a-tought, not toughtform.
So desire is an energy form and needs a vehicle, a tought form.
Light is energy or  forms-a-tought and needs darkness, a toughtform as vehicle.
I not only view energy as pure, this would lead to a light-toughtform.
I view unpure energy as information not only as food, it is unpure and contains the vehicle of darkness, and the form-a-tought
with the potentiality of travelling to HELL / HEART / DENSE BODIES
While pure energy, a form-a-tought that creates a light-toughtform. has the potentiality to DIRECT all unpure energies from the HIGHER
SELF.
 
A light-tought form carry  the energy of LOVE & JOY or the state of openess,yes-minded,forgiveness to all, sharing knowledge and reflection of void, unformed matter, but knowing to direct, to guide if this should be conditional.
HATE is like LOVE with JUDGEMENT.
Imagination of pure LIGHT /SILVER directs to more clarity in life, cause Light is the source of all changes.
According to the chakras the divination of light is not necessary,(splitting in colors) cause each chakra takes its frequency from the light.

Now I loved you all! hehehe -  a sick love.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: psych0naut on December 07, 2004, 09:44:42
I also had a dream recently that involved a number but I couldn't remember the number upon waking.   I was in some sort of store shopping for "magickal supplies" and I had some kit that had candles and soap and some other stuff in it.  Some guy grabs my belly, near the sub-navel area, because I'm starting to float up.  I float out of the store and up into the air.  The store owner is shining some sort of red laser at me apparently because I was supposed to let him scan the package or something before leaving.   A lady flies up to me and hands me a paper with a number written on it which is supposed to represent where we cut the parachute and bring ourselves down.  As she gives it to me she gives me a look and tells me "we can still win this".  I respond "nah, I've got other plans" and I start circling downward towards my friend below.  

I think that maybe floating down to my "friend below" may have been my astral double floating back down into my physical body.   Perhaps some sort of spritual guide was trying to get me to accomplish some task rather than floating off or returning to my body.  I think the guy grabbing my lower belly might have been an image my mind came up with in response to energetic sensations in my sub-navel storage center.  I wish I could remember the number on that paper...I have a feeling it was a long number.
Title: 33-fold self
Post by: aleshah on December 08, 2004, 09:10:21
I had similar experience.I found myself reading a book on astral or somewhere there on   RBs mental planes model. I read it, but can't remember.(It is like RV on a diffrent mental level) Maybe if i have similar exp again, i will look for a hypnosist for memory regression of this books.