The Astral Pulse

A Few Kundalini Tips

I was initiated into a Kundalini Yoga program back in 1974 .  The old guy was great about encouraging research and experimentation, and so I was able to find a few things on my own that I can share without giving away their farm.  


I was able to 'reverse engineer' a few hints I got from the Chinese Zen Master Huang Po, the first being the "doubt sensation" – this is where when you bring the Kundalini to the Agna Chakra you flex the muscles in the forehead and brow so that the Chi (the Chinese word for Kundalini) feels like a lump.  The ideal here would be to keep it concentrated until it broke up into a Charity.  But keeping your face like that gives a very mean look and so I would not recommend keeping your face frozen like that... but Huang Po would.  

Another thing Hong Po mentioned without giving any particulars was the "One Finger Exercise". I still don't know what 'that' was but I discovered, after months of trying everything I could think of,  that if you twirl your thumbs, it opens up the Central Kundalini Channel.  What you do is twirl your thumbs until they are sore (it won't take long) and then stop.  You will notice the Kundalini come rising up the center of your spine.

A guy I knew, Michael Green, taught me a method back in the early seventies.  You pretend you are breathing up through your genitalia, as though you could draw the seminal fluid up your spine and into your abdomen.   Mr. Green told me that he would experience "full body orgasms".  Not me.  But it would help with the Kundalini.  I found similar exercises described by the Tantrics.

I've known about this one trick since I was five.  And so did my twin brother.  A guy on the OBE Page discussed it recently -- a Mr. Rocketman007.   You flex this muscle inside your head, up behind the pallet but over the swivel point in the head.  It must have something to do with the inner ear, because when you flex it just right, it creates an audible 'roar'.  I can change the 'roar' over a few notes, but Mr. Rocketman007 says he can stretch it over octaves.  But once you flex it so you can hear the 'roar' you can move around that same flexing, which may be entirely inaudible.  Mr. Rocketman007 says that it helps with OBE, and Energy Meditations.  I am sure it does.

I have always used it to help intensify  this one Kundalini Meditation that isn't commonly done (unless I have fallen out of the loop in recent times).  In the Swivel Point of the Spine in the Head, up above the back of the pallet is a 'twirly thing' about the size of a small pea.  Bring your tongue back and point it up toward that swivel point.  Keep your mouth slightly open.  Now, even after years of practice, it still takes time to fix onto that little thing in power meditation.  It is like peeling an onion. You get closer and closer and narrower and narrower until you finally feel the little twirly thing swinging back and forth or around and around like a pendulum.  It goes at about the same rate as your heartbeat.  I heard an Old Guru tell a friend as an aside (it did not seem for Public Consumption) that it was the Very Top of the Heart Chakra.  Sure enough, once you can isolate that little thing and concentrate on it for about a minute, you can spread that attention out – it is like it links you into some core level – and go both down into the lower charkas, or up along the pallet to the Agna Third Eye Chakra, or up to the Crown Chakra (remember that the Crown Chakra is more toward the back of the head than the very top – it is not a hat!).  Using Mr. Rocketman007 "Flex Roar" sensation, you can augment and intensify this meditation.

This is a very sophisticated Site and you people are very knowledgeable and so I hope I have not wasted all of your time with what would amount to vain repetition of what you all already know.  But perhaps discussing the same old thing in slightly different terms has been refreshing, or knowing that other Traditions have found the same Truths reassuring.  Thank you for letting me share.

Thank you for these tips Leo Volont ! :D There are very interesting !

thank you for sharing ;)

This roar thing with the ears.  Is it when you open up your 'eustation tubes'?  They connect the inner ear to the back of the throat for equilising pressure.

I can open these and can hear the crackle of it.  But I'm not sure if this is the same thing.

Quote from: WellsThis roar thing with the ears.  Is it when you open up your 'eustation tubes'?  They connect the inner ear to the back of the throat for equilising pressure.

I can open these and can hear the crackle of it.  But I'm not sure if this is the same thing.

That would be a very handy thing to do on Airline Trips, but no.

Mr. Rocketman007 is not sure what is happening.  I suppose it must have something to do with the inner ear, and I can't say that I actually did the Roar Flex while in the air, or, for that matter, during tropical cyclones when equalizing pressure would be a good thing.

But it seems deeper then that.

You see the Flex Roar is a continuous roar which you can flex on and off.  But because you can change the tone of it, I suppose the flex is changing the tension or volume of something.  I think 'volume' because in order for me to make the pitch higher I have to change the position of the Flex.

Isn't there a muscle up behind your pallet that you can flex?

What me and Rocketman007 have in common is that we learned how to do it when very young.  me and my twin brother learned it together.  I can't remember which one of us learned it first, but somehow the other was able to communicate instructions to the other on just what to do.  it might be one of those things where 'Twinglish' comes in handy.

But, anyway, just start trying to flex muscles back in your head up behind the pallet and see if you can trigger the continuous roar.  As I said before, it does not seem like it is in one ear or the other, which I suppose it must be, but it FEELS like it is central -- that you are flexing something in the middle of the cranium, just foward of the Swivel Point.

Hi all,
quote by Leo, "A guy I knew, Michael Green, taught me a method back in the early seventies. You pretend you are breathing up through your genitalia, as though you could draw the seminal fluid up your spine and into your abdomen. Mr. Green told me that he would experience "full body orgasms". Not me. But it would help with the Kundalini. I found similar exercises described by the Tantrics."

This is the process the Guides helped me with, and it works brilliantly.  Within seconds I feel the heat rising and then direct it to where I want to use it.  

I do use it, for an extra empowerment in healings, shielding when needed and lots of other things that may seem frivolous to others but which worked very effectively for me.. like wind summoning when I am hot, cloud and rain manipulation when I desire rain for the parched earth here, etc.  

Kundalini is a massively mis-understood power and it has incredible effects when raised to the brow chakra under Guidance, which can facilitate the enlightening Oneness experience.

A few years ago in an experiment with Psychics and Aura-Seers, I sat while they watched the aura, then on a signal from them that they were ready I simply short-cutted (is that even a word ?) to remembering the feeling and it came on instantly.  There were a few surprised Seers that's for sure !   They wanted to know what I had done that made Bright Red Light flow out from me so strongly.

And I haven't had the orgasm doing it like this either, although i have used the method when I've been excited sexually and found that the desire quickly dissipates and you are left with the Power feeling of Kundalini.

You mentioned the Roar sound.  I also found this when I experimented with LSD in the 70's.  I figured it was the Sound of Power within.  Interestingly, when you listen to complete silence you will also hear the Roar.  So silence is actually very loud !

The exercise of feeling the little twirley thing in the back of the throat (simplifying the words) is also a method used by Maharishi.  It is also taught at Satsang when you are ready to have the experiences they use in their four meditations.  What I noticed firstly was a beautiful aroma coming from the inside of me, it tasted like flowers !   Apparently this is all we were expected to experience, as it helps to bring on an altered state of awareness where everything seems incredibly vibrant and Clear.  Just as it does after OBE etc.  Although, with Satsang it was used primarily for an escape from the woes of daily life and perhaps to gain clarity about issues etc.  But that was my perception based on what all those who had experienced it before me were saying they used it for.

Thanks for sharing Leo, it's great to see someone who has had real experience with Kundalini sharing some of what they learned.   And what was it about the 70's that helped some of us to find teachers who actually helped us to our own experiences rather than have us as followers ?

I'd love to see more of it in the world again.

Tay.
:D

If kundalini rises, should we be afraid of it?
I read this (http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0053.htm) and it totally freaked me out. Anyone who has had experience with kundalini, please comment.

Also another quick question: Robert Bruce describes kundalini as an event that lasts 5-30 minutes, while many websites describe it as taking a lifetime to rise. Could someone please clarify?


Thank you
Alex

Quote from: alexdIf kundalini rises, should we be afraid of it?

I'm not trying to scare anyone, but would rather people be prepared and know what they're getting into before attempting to raise Kundalini.

As far as I'm aware, all the true Yogi master say time after time again that before attempting to raise Kundalini you better be of purity.  Purity of body, emotions, mind, intellect, and the Nadis (astral tubes that carry prana).  This pertains to your entire life at all times 24/7, 365 days per year.  If you get angry even once a week then you're asking for trouble.

A Yogi master can tell you if you're of the type that should attempt Kundalini.  Just know that you're playing with fire, literally.  I know that's an answer most young people do not want to hear.  Sorry, :-(  Of course, most people who try to raise the Kundalini never succeed.

Before attempting to raise the Kundalini via Pranayama (breathing exercises), Mudras & Bandhas (postures), meditations, Mantras, etc. you should first cleans the physical body and the Nadis.  Nadis are astral tubes that carry prana.  

Sri Swami Sivanandaji Maharaj writes,

"The Yogi, who has got a pure heart and a mind free from passions and desires will be benefited by awakening Kundalini."

"It is easy to awaken the Kundalini, but it is very difficult to take it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th] through the different Chakras. It demands a great deal of patience, perseverance, purity and steady practice. The Yogi who has taken it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th], is the real master of all forces. Generally Yogic students stop their Sadhana halfway on account of false Tushti (satisfaction). They imagine that they have reached the goal when they get some mystic experiences and psychic powers. They desire to demonstrate such powers to the public to get Khyati (reputation and fame) and to earn some money. This is a sad mistake. Full realization alone can give the final liberation, perfect peace and Highest Bliss."

"Before awakening the Kundalini, you must have Deha Suddhi (purity of body), Nadi Suddhi (purification of Nadis), Manas-Suddhi (purity of mind) and Buddhi Suddhi (purity of intellect)."

"Little things upset their minds. Those who have not observed the vow of celibacy become the slaves of anger, jealousy, laziness and fear. If you have not got your senses under control, you venture to do foolish acts which even children will not dare to do."
http://www.yoga-age.com/modern/brahpractice.html

Peace & Love,
Paul

Quote from: alexdRobert Bruce describes kundalini as an event that lasts 5-30 minutes, while many websites describe it as taking a lifetime to rise. Could someone please clarify?

Sri Swami Sivanandaji Maharaj wrote, "It is easy to awaken the Kundalini, but it is very difficult to take it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th] through the different Chakras. It demands a great deal of patience, perseverance, purity and steady practice. The Yogi who has taken it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th], is the real master of all forces. Generally Yogic students stop their Sadhana halfway on account of false Tushti (satisfaction). They imagine that they have reached the goal when they get some mystic experiences and psychic powers. They desire to demonstrate such powers to the public to get Khyati (reputation and fame) and to earn some money. This is a sad mistake. Full realization alone can give the final liberation, perfect peace and Highest Bliss."

Peace & Love,
Paul

Welcome back Paul, it is good to see you posting again.  How are you ?

I have no idea how RB came to make the statement about 5-30 minutes for Kundalini.  My own raising under the Guides took months to prepare for working with them every night, while the event itself was about 3 hours.

While it was only to the Brow Chakra it has been a difficult road to travel by myself, as very few people have experienced it and therefore have no real idea about how it is in this world and culture now.

I would reply to Alexd by saying it is not to be played with, and should really only be worked on with the Guidance of those who KNOW what they are doing, otherwise you can run the risk of mental aberrations, violence and a whole heap of other disturbances.

My old teacher (an English-woman) introduced the concept to me by saying, " Our mental institutions are full with people who have had unexpected and sudden Kundalini Raising."   This put me off trying to experience it for myself, for many years.  LOL

I also agree with the quote Paul used in his last post.  Absolutely agree !

Thanks Paul.

Love Always.

Quote from: TayesinHi all,

You mentioned the Roar sound.  I also found this when I experimented with LSD in the 70's.  I figured it was the Sound of Power within.  Interestingly, when you listen to complete silence you will also hear the Roar.  So silence is actually very loud !

Tay.
:D

There is really nothing special about that Roar Sound.  You flex some muscles back in the center of your head, above the back of your pallet, and it turns on the Roar, and it lasts as long as you can hold the flex.  It is like opening and closing your fingers.

Maybe it is like rolling your tongue or wiggling your ears... that some people can control that muscle, whatever muscle it is, and some people can't.

Oh, I have an old Kundalini Story.  Years ago I was rounded up and made to serve in one Nation's Army.  They took us out on a long march which tired us all out and then it began to rain -- and it was already winter and so it was a very cold rain.  I was already an old soldier and no kid and so I knew to take immediate action and pulled on a poncho and brought it up over my head and sat down to make it a small tent.  I used my breath to heat it up. So many of the kids were standing in the freezing rain waiting for a sargent to tell them what to do!  Silly Geese!   As I sat there I thought I could perhaps use my Kundalini to make myself even more roastier and toastier... so I brought the Kundalini up on the Right Side of the Spine -- the Hot Channel.  So I was fine, while some of the younger troops were inflicted with exposure injuries and distresses.  They brought out trucks and took us back to Garrison and after everything was set in order I went to sleep.  In the middle of the night I woke up with this hellacious fever and at first determined to ride it out, but then remembered what I had done earlier in the day.  So, for just 2 seconds I thought of closing the Right Channel and opening the Left -- the Cool Side -- and I could feel the heat of the fever simply rise up and away.  I suppose in just 10 seconds I was asleep again.

Quote from: alexdIf kundalini rises, should we be afraid of it?
I read this (http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0053.htm) and it totally freaked me out. Anyone who has had experience with kundalini, please comment.

Also another quick question: Robert Bruce describes kundalini as an event that lasts 5-30 minutes, while many websites describe it as taking a lifetime to rise. Could someone please clarify?


Thank you
Alex

I think Bruce mentions that for all the scary frightening talk about the dangers of Kundalini, it is extremely rare for anybody to have a dangerously pathological erruption of the Kundalini.  However, if you are one of the few who do, it probably could be serious.

A very good book on Kundalini by Gopi Krishna illustrates the dangers.  He had fever and sleeplessness for years.  Another book I found in India demonstrated that the author was probably driven insane.  It was a funny book... like a diary.  In the last chapters the author admits that he was Gay, and he confesses such a thing because he claims that the Kundalini must have cured him because suddenly he lost his attraction to young men and all at once felt a super lust for the young ladies.  Very amusing, because what he began to do was to pursue the girls the same way that he used to go after the boys.... and somehow he never guessed that it would take an entirely different technique then saying "Yoh! Ya wanna F____" which is apparently all it used to take in the bathhouses with the other gays who aren't famous for their chasity and modesty... they don't call them 'Gay' for nothin.

... But back to Kundalini.  In my particular school the Kundalini is raised by the Guru's Shaktipat -- touch -- in a series of Initiations.  But it is really up to the initiate to meditate and concentrate on the Initiations and practice the meditations or the energy will simply just fade off.  The Gurus don't tell you everything at the beginning so that they can ask you questions as you progress, which you won't know the answers to unless you have actually connected into the Kundalini.  The Gurus freely admit that sometimes it 'takes' and sometimes it doesn't.

The worst side-effect I've seen with the system I work with is that a headache won't go away... but it eventually does.

Quote from: pmlonline

Quote from: alexd

"It is easy to awaken the Kundalini, but it is very difficult to take it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th] through the different Chakras. It demands a great deal of patience, perseverance, purity and steady practice. The Yogi who has taken it to Sahasrara Chakra [7th], is the real master of all forces.

Peace & Love,
Paul

I got good news and bad news.

It is not as bad as he says and it is not as good as he says.

In the system of Kundalini I practice the energy does go all the way to the Crown.  The benefit of that is largely that it sort of provides the key for moving the energy anywhere eles.  Before the Crown Initiation you can only feel the Kundalini in the few primary chakras that had been opened up before.  But once the Crown Chakra is open then your entire body is opened too.

But that and a dollar will get me a cup of coffee.  The only difference I notice is that I have a higher opinion of myself, but that is by no means universally shared by everybody who knows me.  I am convinced I have the Faculty of True Discernment, and in my Dreams and Visions various doors have been opened for me.  But I still have to put on my pants one leg at a time.

Oh, some questions in the OBE section inspired me to look in the mirror while turning on and off the Roar Reflex and I noticed that the front of my throat moves slightly upward to turn on the Roar.

So I might be opening or closing some airpipe.

The Roar sounds alot like a Sea Shell held up to the air.  Who knows why or how a sea shell generates noise, but they do.  The Roar sound in the head is a lot louder, but that is probably because it is so much closer to the ear drums or whatever.

These are very useful posts on kundalini here and have helped me a lot in contrast with much of the information online which is incomplete and misleading. Although I've got a few concerns.

Quote from: pmlonline
...all the true Yogi master say time after time again that before attempting to raise Kundalini you better be of purity.  Purity of body, emotions, mind, intellect, and the Nadis (astral tubes that carry prana).  This pertains to your entire life at all times 24/7, 365 days per year.  If you get angry even once a week then you're asking for trouble.

I'm probably not in such control of purity of my mind, body, emotions ect. I would have actually been in much more control in previous years, in fact I would say my real spiritual development has only began very recently. But I am not trying to raise kundalini. The fact that I do yoga, meditation ect. doesn't mean I want to raise kundalini.

Quote from: pmlonline
"Little things upset their minds. Those who have not observed the vow of celibacy become the slaves of anger, jealousy, laziness and fear. If you have not got your senses under control, you venture to do foolish acts which even children will not dare to do."

I don't feel spiritually ready for kundalini but it seems to be rising by itself. I am probably impure and am overrun be jealously, laziness, fear ect. but I did not venture to raise the energy, it chose to begin so itself. So how can one observe the vow of celibacy and become free from the abovementioned emotions? What actions must one take to be ready for kundalini? Or a better question is: what should one do if kundalini is rising by itself without the intent of one to raise it by will?


Thank you
PS: Sorry if this is moving away too far from the original purpose of this thread
Alex

I would be apprehensive about using the counsels of Perfection to prevent me from living my life.

You must understand what these Old Gurus are intending when they deliver those "You Have To Be Perfect Just Like Me" Speeches.  First they are glorifying themselves, and then they are giving useful advice.  Yes, people do need to show some little bit of impulse control.  Also, in India such speeches can be designed to attack their competitors.  There is oftentimes something of a War in India between the Moralistic Gurus and the Tantric Hedonist Gurus.  I am on the side of the Moralists, but I can see that they sometimes exaggerate their Case.  I've met with many of the Hedonist Kundalini People and, frankly, for all their vices, they are quite congenial... perhaps they are congenial BECAUSE of all their vices... I mean that their often practiced sexuality gives them a high degree of purely social charm.  The Rajneesh People, for instance -- no greater hedonistic moral degenerates in the entire world, but I can't think of nicer people anywhere!... purely socially I mean.   If I found people on the Ashram to be Rajneesh Devotees, I would insist they eat at our table as we would be sure to be smiling when we would not be outright laughing along with their contagious Joy.

So, yes, do try to have control over yourself.  Contain your sexual impulses and your anger.  But don't let concerns for your imperfection to prevent your bettering yourself, AND the Kundalini WILL better you... or at least you will come to think so.

Quote from: Leo VolontAnother thing Hong Po mentioned without giving any particulars was the "One Finger Exercise". I still don't know what 'that' was but I discovered, after months of trying everything I could think of, that if you twirl your thumbs, it opens up the Central Kundalini Channel. What you do is twirl your thumbs until they are sore (it won't take long) and then stop. You will notice the Kundalini come rising up the center of your spine.

You mean twirling my thumb like kids playing Nintendo? Do kids heavily playing videogames have a 'kundalini-benefit' from doing it? They twirl their thumbs virtually all the time they're playing...

Quote from: yothu

Quote from: Leo VolontAnother thing Hong Po mentioned without giving any particulars was the "One Finger Exercise". I still don't know what 'that' was but I discovered, after months of trying everything I could think of, that if you twirl your thumbs, it opens up the Central Kundalini Channel. What you do is twirl your thumbs until they are sore (it won't take long) and then stop. You will notice the Kundalini come rising up the center of your spine.

You mean twirling my thumb like kids playing Nintendo? Do kids heavily playing videogames have a 'kundalini-benefit' from doing it? They twirl their thumbs virtually all the time they're playing...

Maybe.

I've noticed that after intense and prolonged manual activity -- work with the hands, fingers and thumbs -- that if I simply walk away and sit down still and relax, the Kundalini shoots up.

Now, systematically twirling the thumbs for a few minutes is a shortcut to the same effect.

So... take your pick, play Nintendo like a demon for a half an hour to prepare yourself for a ten minute meditation, or twirl your thumbs for just two or three minutes.

Also, I wonder whether the same exercise would be of much use to people who don't have an open Crown Chakra.  Before my Crown Chakra was opened I would not have been aware of these other movements of power.  But I've read Bruce's Book and it seems like people here are aware of their Energy Flows.  Let me know if Twirling Thumbs works for you.

i don't understand why is everyone talking about celibacy required to kundalini, it is connected to sexual energy after all
i see a problem when someone begins to fantasize and creates thoughtforms, but when you concentrate on the energy flow it's relatively safe and sound
i have just  recently started to develop kundalini and all i have to do is to concentrate on base chakra and immediately i have heat/energy surge
grounding and directing the energy out of the crown  seems to do the trick, but no oneness here, although i do it one step at a time and get the body accustomed to it, still experimenting ... and won't use full force
interesting thing is that kundalini can be used to remove blockages leftovers, if you can control the flow, that is

as i understand if you direct kundalini through main channel and others, heat and cool channel should balance out, resulting in stronger flow but no overheating ?

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as i understand if you direct kundalini through main channel and others, heat and cool channel should balance out, resulting in stronger flow but no overheating ?

Yes, the center channel should be neutral.  But you can remember Left-Cool,  Right-Hot.  I've found that all you need to do is just concentrate down on either side of the tailbone.  

Don't accidentally leave the Right Channel open, but if you do you can turn it off in a giffy.  The trouble comes from casually opening the Right Channel and then later when the fever symptoms run you down, you forget what you did, so that it doesn't occur to you to Undo it.


I agree with you about sexuality.  The Gurus always ask you to be celibate.  Ordinarily I couldn't get laid if I had a thousand dollar bill taped to my forehead, but looking back in my life, whenever I was in the midst of these Kundalini Initiations, wouldn't you know, THEN I'd finally get lucky just when I should have been holding off.  But it never seemed to hurt anything.  For other people in the Classes the Initiations wouldn't always 'take' but I would get through, even if I was still meditating uncomfortably on the 'wet spot'.

I've been wondering why no one has spoken about the opening to higher awareness that comes with Kundalini Raising, with the exception of myself and Daem0n.

Then as I read the posts from these past two days it dawned on me.  Daemon saying he had not yet experienced Oneness from his experiments with Kundalini, set it clearly for me.  

The missing link is Focused Awareness.  You are mechanically raising the power and moving it around, Yes ?   This is being done following the prescribed methods of the old Guru's, Yes ?  And this movement is usually outside of the central spinal column ?

So, the difference I see from my experience of Kundalini is my Awareness was focused in the Base Chakra to begin the process, and it rose along with the Base Chakra energy through each chakra until it rested at the Brow Chakra, at which point I was opened up from the inside out... like you are being dissipated throughout the Universe until you are filling it and it is filling you......  Oneness.  The opening occured when the Red Light of Kundalini merged with the pure White Light.

So one simple difference like this can account for the stories of people being mentally burned out by Kundalini, as they maybe are Aware with it as it happens.

I enjoyed Leo's experience of being able to keep himself warm by using the energy.  This is something I do in Winter too, and often share the energy with others in order to warm them as well.  It works !  All I do is feel the power in the Base and simply push it out with focused awareness to go where I want it to go.

Remember... You are in control of your energy and you can do whatever you choose to do with it.

Also, never is a Chakra completely closed, unless someone has been manipulating your energy.. and some teachers do, so stay clear of them and such control manipulations.

Thanks for sharing guys.  :D

Quote from: TayesinThe missing link is Focused Awareness.  You are mechanically raising the power and moving it around, Yes ?   This is being done following the prescribed methods of the old Guru's, Yes ?  And this movement is usually outside of the central spinal column ?

So, the difference I see from my experience of Kundalini is my Awareness was focused in the Base Chakra to begin the process, and it rose along with the Base Chakra energy through each chakra until it rested at the Brow Chakra, at which point I was opened up from the inside out...

You know, that may well be a very important distinction... to be 'in' the energy from the base chakra, instead of manipulating the energy from the outside.  I'll have to try it.

I have been consoling myself that the Energy must have at least been building and nourishing a Higher Potential.. but you can only get so old until you die and all that neat potential goes for nothing.

I'll have to try it.  I'll let you know how it goes.  Wish me luck!

Hi Leo,
excellent stuff...  And I do hope for the most effective outcome of your experiment.  I feel you will do every well with it, given the solid foundation you already have.

:D

Hi all,
the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?. :?
I mean, it is a awesome power inside of us which will enlighten us if we are really ready to receive it, but what if we are not?.
Consulting some books I've found interesting information about improper awakenings. It appears that if kundalini is not able to raise along the spine due to any physical / emotional / mental garbage, the blockage makes it go downward flaming, this way, the muladhara chakra. In this scenery all passions will be inflamed to an uncontrollable point transforming the subject in an aberrant person dominated by his lowest principles.  :evil:
Following another knowledge line I've read that the mere equilibrium between all our three bodies (physical, astral and mental) automatically grants a safe awakening. :lol:
To attain it a proper vegetarian diet, good living habits (exercise, sleeping,...), a control of emotions and of mental activity is suggested, and principally a regular meditation schedule. :idea:
Greetings.

Hi all,

the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?. :?

I mean, it is a awesome power inside of us which will enlighten us if we are really ready to receive it, but what if we are not?.  :(
Consulting some books I've found interesting information about improper awakenings. It appears that if kundalini is not able to raise along the spine due to any physical / emotional / mental garbage, the blockage makes it go downward flaming, this way, the muladhara chakra. In this scenery all passions will be inflamed to an uncontrollable point transforming the subject in an aberrant person dominated by his lowest principles.  :evil:

Following another knowledge line I've read that the mere equilibrium between all our three bodies (physical, astral and mental) automatically grants a safe awakening. :)

To attain it a propper vegetarian diet, good living habits (exercise, sleeping,...), a control of emotions and of mental activity is suggested, and principally a regular meditation schedule. :idea:

Greetings.

everyone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping excrement/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)
we don't need to take up kundalini, but if we want to move further we will need it
if we are not ready raising the kundalini would be extremely difficult
Tayesin
i practiced both ways, firstly just as described in http://ascendpress.org, from Mother Earth and under supervision of her avatars, to clear remaining blockages
then i took it from the base chakra, up to crown and celestial chakras to the other end of crown chakra connection (high self, oversoul, whatever ), then back and through earth star to aurora of earth, and then back to base,  the energy was empowered on both ends
however the flow is still small, to let the body adjust, to the oneness experience there is much larger flow required, and it is impossible for my body (i started the path in july, for crying out loud), i know what to do for the time being, and i know my ultimate purpose, so i guess oneness is irrelevant to me

Hi Tayesin,

I'm fine thanks.  Everything's going well for you also?

I don't want to sound as if I'm against or for Kundalini practice.  In fact, how wonderful it would be for one to strive for such purity to raise the Kundalini.  I only strongly suggest the purity first.

Good to see you here Tayesin!

Peace & Love,
Paul

Quote from: daem0neveryone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping [edit]/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)

Well, I'm not actually saying that vegetarianism is a have-to-fulfill condition in order to attain some kind of enlightment but it is true, too, that it is recommended in different "thought schools". Buddha himself adviced veganism to achieve a more rapid development. In theosophism some authors advocate for it too, as in yoga teachings. In essene's gospels it is highly recommended to follow a lactovegetarian diet with lots of crude foods.

I went into vegetarianism some years ago due to some reasons not related to spiritual develpment but this diet change changed my mind too and took me to more spiritual fields settling down my mind's mess.

Anyway why do we want enlightment?, for our own sake or to be prepared for some kind of God mission for the sake of all beings?. If that's true what good do we offer to those animals we eat?.

Greetings.

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the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?. :?

The Kundalini is like the root system for our spiritual growth.  As the Bhagavad Gita says, cryptically, the Roots extend above, and the tree develops below.  By sending the Kundalini upward, we are sending forth our roots.

Without the Kundalini we can be good moral people.  But to be Transcendent, the Kundalini is necessary.  Christians call it the Holy Spirit.  The Chinese call it Chi.  The Hindus have other words for it -- Prana, Shakti.  As intellectual as the Zens pretend to be, they have their physical exercises too.  In Tibet they do little else then Tantra, which is Energy Yoga pushed to the extreme.

Yes, it is good to go into Kundalini Yoga with moral and psychological discipline.  But life is short.  You will die anyway.  Take the gamble.  You might win if you try, but if you don't try, you will still die.

Besides, I've known hundreds, maybe thousands of yogis.  There may be more insanity among such a crowd then in the general public, but consider the source.  No, I don't think there is any considerable reason to worry.

Quote from: daem0neveryone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good,

If an Angel comes to you and tells you to eat only vegtables and that you will be sustained with Divine Energy, then, by all means, be a vegetarian.  But to decide to be a vegetarian as a kind of personal affirmation...

I've seen once vibrant people wither away with their grazing diet.  They get sick and wonder what Karma has brought such illfortune to pass, but they don't think about when the last time it was they had a nutritional meal.

The Ashrams encourage Vegetarianism.  Do we need to wonder why?  You can run a vegetarian kitchen at the fraction of the cost of a Cafeteria that serves real food.   The Ashram Officials figure that those with common sense will sneak out and eat enough to sustain life, and are sad about those who will trustingly go along with the official program and get sick by it... but what can they do with their limited budgets?

Quote from: pmlonlineHi Tayesin,

I'm fine thanks.  Everything's going well for you also?

I don't want to sound as if I'm against or for Kundalini practice.  In fact, how wonderful it would be for one to strive for such purity to raise the Kundalini.  I only strongly suggest the purity first.

Good to see you here Tayesin!

Peace & Love,
Paul

You can wait through your prime until old age asserts its own kind of impotent purity, but then you have lost your vitality.

No.  five minutes of purity is enough. GET STARTED while the wood is still green.

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Quote from: daem0neveryone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping [edit]/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)

Well, I'm not actually saying that vegetarianism is a have-to-fulfill condition in order to attain some kind of enlightment but it is true, too, that it is recommended in different "thought schools". Buddha himself adviced veganism to achieve a more rapid development. In theosophism some authors advocate for it too, as in yoga teachings. In essene's gospels it is highly recommended to follow a lactovegetarian diet with lots of crude foods.

I went into vegetarianism some years ago due to some reasons not related to spiritual develpment but this diet change changed my mind too and took me to more spiritual fields settling down my mind's mess.

Anyway why do we want enlightment?, for our own sake or to be prepared for some kind of God mission for the sake of all beings?. If that's true what good do we offer to those animals we eat?.

Greetings.

It is True that one of my favorite Saints, Saint Francis of Paola, who established the Minum Order, was extremely rigourous in his vegetarianism.  No meat, no fish, no dairy.  Three Popes would not certify his Order because, even by the most ascetic standards of the time, they thought the diet Francis of Paola proposed was suicidal.  But he outlived them.

Francis had to insist over and over again that his Order would survive by Miraculous Means.  And he would demonstrate miraculous feats of every kind in order to try to convince the papal envoys that if he could walk on water and stand in a fiery brick kiln, then it was barely possible that he could sustain his Order on celery and carrots.

I believe even today the Minims are still doing it.  But Francis's Magic has staying power.  On his way to visit the King of France he passed a villiage that was struck with the Plague.  they asked him to pray in intercession for them.  He did and the plague immediately remissed.  and now, 500 years later, this same villiage is known far and wide for being impervious to any epidemic.  Flu Seasons... not a thing.  Colds never go around.  If it wasn't for crazy french drivers, nobody would ever die in that town.

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the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?. :?

The Kundalini is like the root system for our spiritual growth.  As the Bhagavad Gita says, cryptically, the Roots extend above, and the tree develops below.  By sending the Kundalini upward, we are sending forth our roots.

Without the Kundalini we can be good moral people.  But to be Transcendent, the Kundalini is necessary.  Christians call it the Holy Spirit.  The Chinese call it Chi.  The Hindus have other words for it -- Prana, Shakti.  As intellectual as the Zens pretend to be, they have their physical exercises too.  In Tibet they do little else then Tantra, which is Energy Yoga pushed to the extreme.

Yes, it is good to go into Kundalini Yoga with moral and psychological discipline.  But life is short.  You will die anyway.  Take the gamble.  You might win if you try, but if you don't try, you will still die.

Besides, I've known hundreds, maybe thousands of yogis.  There may be more insanity among such a crowd then in the general public, but consider the source.  No, I don't think there is any considerable reason to worry.

Hi there, Leo:

Maybe my words have sounded as if I would be contrary to kundalini's awakening. I do know it is a must for obtaining the condition to get to "somewhere" but what I don't agree is to "just awaken" it at any price.

I suppose that pushing high levels of electricity into a circuit not able to support them would burn it. When I read the miraculous effects of the sacred energy on our bodies/minds/souls I put in practice all yoga related exercises to light my little spark. I even felt some little electricity shocks on my spine.

But at that point new information reached me in relation to potential dangers: headaches, insanity, some illnesses and so on. I bet my guide made that information to get to me.

Life is not short. Being inmortals as we are we will be able to attain it, if not in this life in the following ones. Imagine for a moment that your life would extend to the age of 90 and that you lose the chance because a forced kundalini awakening makes a cancer to appear due to energetic imbalances. Much time will be lost because it's hard to get the big picture on a physical life and on the next reincarnation all youth will be needed to recover past life's germs.

A friend of mine who is an astrologer always tells me: "all you see in your life, all good and evil, is the amalgam of past lives. Look at it calmly, see the pieces and decide whether you must arrange this or cast away that."

So boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

Leo
if angel would come and tell me to go live in the cave (an example) i would ask him for his references, angel ID, concession and such
you have a tendency to surrender  to shiny things, i guess that is due to your path, but watch out

andonitxo

but still you have to hit the switch, unless you want to wait, and you never know when you die (feelings don't count, make everything you can out of every day)
which of course doesn't mean that i haven't refined my bodies before hitting the switch, and checked within myself hundred times (after all i knew the dangers)

kundalini is a must when you want to remove limitations of all that you are, and it means integrating aspects from different dimensions, which requires energy, awareness, and means
forced kundalini can appear only when you are stupid, insensitive and overconfident, and with these traits you won't get far anywhere in anything

Quote from: andonitxoSo boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

Good balanced argument.

It makes me remember that I once wrote a paper saying about the same thing -- I was to contrast Vedanta and Tantra as regarding the Kundalini.  The Tantrics were of the school that you shoot the energy up and you cross your fingers regarding the possible results.  The results could be spectacular, but also unpredictable, and such a sword often has a blade on each side.  

But Vedanta specified the squaring away of the big triple three -- Karma, Knowledge, and Love all had to be purified and etherealized.  When all of that could be set in order... when the Fruit would be Ripe... then the power would rise into a receptive and prepared Vehicle.

But, as you can see, although I am somewhat conversant with the Vedantic Argument, still, as an old man, the Tantric exhortation to "damn the torpedoes!  full speed ahead!" looks better and better.  

In an active life, karma will always be complicated.  One often falls from the Razer's Edge.  I've learned much knowledge, but knowledge is like a map collection to a landlocked villager -- I know of possibilities, which without a fundamental change, are really quite impossible.  And where Love is concerned, while there is still a Republican Party, it must always be tinged by living in the same heart side by side with Hate.

So while the inevitable contingencies of life make Vedanta a pretty but impossible choice, Tantra has its risks but also its results.

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if angel would come and tell me to go live in the cave (an example) i would ask him for his references, angel ID, concession and such
you have a tendency to surrender  to shiny things, i guess that is due to your path, but watch out

It is my experience that Angels come more than once.  Why?  Because they have been watching and they know that they will not be interferring with your Free Will... that you already wish to go to where they would be willing to help you get.

For instance, one of my hobbies is being a feline volunteer.  I also have indoor cats and I care for a slew of outdoor ferals.  But there was this one young feral who was able to break through all the social barriers that the Feeding Station Ferals would put up to keep their troupe 'exclusive'.  Basically they let her eat because they all decided she was 'likeable' by cat standards.  Then she would begin to stay close to my door.  At times when she would be the first to arrive after I would make the dinner call, hearing me continue to call for the others, she would leave the food and follow me, joining in the call... which shows both a social bond with me, and a social bond to the other cats.  After awhile I was convinced that this particular cat would make a good Indoor Cat.... that she would always retain some feral qualities, but she would work out on the inside.

Just as I watch these cats, the Angels watch us.  Most of us are 'ferals' and the Angels will continue to feed us.  But for those of us who would work out okay if we came in, the Angels hold the door open more than once.

I wish this the thread had begun before I had found success with very similar methods through trial and error, but I was wondering if you have not found yourselves to marked in any way?

If the answer is "no," then please let us know, thanks. If there are marks, please complete your anecdotes. I have heard that some symbols keep the flow constant. Or that, following placement of the mark, there is a permanent and constant channel. I'm I the only one exposed to the idea?

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Hi there, Leo:

Maybe my words have sounded as if I would be contrary to kundalini's awakening. I do know it is a must for obtaining the condition to get to "somewhere" but what I don't agree is to "just awaken" it at any price.

I suppose that pushing high levels of electricity into a circuit not able to support them would burn it. When I read the miraculous effects of the sacred energy on our bodies/minds/souls I put in practice all yoga related exercises to light my little spark. I even felt some little electricity shocks on my spine.

But at that point new information reached me in relation to potential dangers: headaches, insanity, some illnesses and so on. I bet my guide made that information to get to me.

Life is not short. Being inmortals as we are we will be able to attain it, if not in this life in the following ones. Imagine for a moment that your life would extend to the age of 90 and that you lose the chance because a forced kundalini awakening makes a cancer to appear due to energetic imbalances. Much time will be lost because it's hard to get the big picture on a physical life and on the next reincarnation all youth will be needed to recover past life's germs.

A friend of mine who is an astrologer always tells me: "all you see in your life, all good and evil, is the amalgam of past lives. Look at it calmly, see the pieces and decide whether you must arrange this or cast away that."

So boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

I understand your anxieties, but I've known hundreds of serious Kundalini Yogins who WISH they had enough energy flow to worry about.

Most of the warnings being generated about the dangers of Kundalini are being circulated by self-proclaimed Gurus who would enroll you in a Class or a Weekend Seminar that would teach you the 'safe' way.

I am an old man who has been hobnobbing with spiritual aspirants all his life.  Much of my experience makes me cynical of much of what I read and hear.  Where are all these tragic cases of Kundalini gone awry?  The true problem is that there is no problem -- that ninehundred and ninetynine Kundalini Yogins out of a Thousand can tell you all about their Energy Experiences, but can't suggest even a hint of any actual solid benefit they have derived from it all.  Most would gladly take a bit of a risk in order to finally be dealing with enough Power to achieve something significant.  Instead most go to grave having achieved nothing.

So you want to be safe?  Safe from what?  Consider yourself the luckiest person in the world -- the One in a Thousand -- if you ever have anything to really worry about.  Until then it just seems as though you may be excessively flattering yourself that you have so much Energy that you need to contain it.  Or it may be your excuse for having absolutely nothing to show for your Spiritual Endeavors, and how you justify your being shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the Nine Hundred and Ninety Nine losers who serve as background for the One who ultimately is able to grasp what everyone else reached for but couldn't stretch far enough to touch.

Quote from: pod_3If the answer is "no," then please let us know, thanks. If there are marks, please complete your anecdotes. I have heard that some symbols keep the flow constant. Or that, following placement of the mark, there is a permanent and constant channel. I'm I the only one exposed to the idea?

What do you mean about being 'Marked'?

I have heard some people program different chakras in their head with a religious symbol in order to keep the kundalni in progress while others who have practiced enough recieve their (unasked for) symbols permanently. Though physical injuries have been reported, and they have made certian shapes upon the skin,  I am obviously speaking of the astral or spiritual bodies.

Also, many mysteries schools consider this to be an initiation.

Have any of you seen any letters, shapes, images, etc. in your chakras?

Quote from: pod_3I have heard some people program different chakras in their head with a religious symbol in order to keep the kundalni in progress while others who have practiced enough recieve their (unasked for) symbols permanently. Though physical injuries have been reported, and they have made certian shapes upon the skin,  I am obviously speaking of the astral or spiritual bodies.

Also, many mysteries schools consider this to be an initiation.

Have any of you seen any letters, shapes, images, etc. in your chakras?

No... seems to be just an amorphous blob of energy.

But since you mention it... years ago, after having done the Gayatri Mantra for a year, I had a Lucid Dream in which the space in front of me shimmered in waves and turned violet and then a hole in space tore open about 20 feet away and the Pure White Light poured out (it looked like the White Light you get when you burn magnesium, and that reflected in a Chromium Mirror).  The White Light was only without form for a second or two and then it formed up into a very elaborate sculpture of a Paramahamsa Swan -- a Sacred Symbol in the Sanskrit Traditions.  and that Paramahamsa Swan then shot into my forehead.  Then it reformed from the White Light out of the hole in space 20 feet in front of me, and shot again into my head, and over and over again, each time the Swan becoming simpler and less elaborate, until it was simply a bird of two wings similar to a "V" like children draw representing a bird in flight... and they poured into my head at a rate of about 8 per second.

Yes, I have heard of Christians seeing a dove descending, these are sometimes drawn similarly to the "V" you mentioned.

You know, I do plan on getting experienced before doing Kundalini (unless I get really ticked off an angsty depressive and want power), but I'm not going to force myself to become a celibate vegetarian to do so, I'll just live with the consequences!

1Timothy
4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith,  paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
4:2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies,branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected,  if it is received with thanksgiving.
4:5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.

Quote from: pod_31Timothy
4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith,  paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
4:2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies,branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected,  if it is received with thanksgiving.
4:5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.

What point are you trying to make by quoting Paul?  Have you read the opening chapters of Revelation -- Paul was the False Apostle whom John congratulates the Asian Churches for rejecting.  Paul admits that the Asian Churches ran him out of town.   The Epistles of John, James, Jude, and even Peter go to great extent in repudiating the doctrines of Paul.

And what were the doctrines of Paul?  Well, where Christ had preached a Religious Morality, Paul had taught that by murdering Christ, believers who had faith in that Murder would be exempted from Judgment and would no longer need to obey the Law or refrain from Sin.  Paul taught Forgiveness of Sins, which, when you think about it, is just the opposite of teaching the Necessity for Righteousness.  Paul was the Antichrist.

so why would you want to be quoting the Antichrist?  All the Real Apostles renounced Paul.  In his entire ministry he never quoted Jesus even once.  Paul would teach that anything that appeared Righteous, even Angels of Light, if they were to disagree with anything Paul said, should be rejected as demonic.  But isn't it Paul who should be considered demonic?  

Christ gave out 3 prophecies:  that His Church would be like a Wheat Field mixed with Weeds; that there would be taught a Wide Way which would lead to destruction, and that a False Apostle would come like a Wolf in Sheeps clothing who would be known for the evil he would do.  Paul is the fulfillment of all three of these prophecies.  He would reject Christ's Teachings of Righteousness and replace them with a Doctrine that amounts to nothing more than an excuse to Sin.  Every Evil committed by the Church would be somehow traceable to Pauline Doctrine.  The Influence of Our Lady the Blessed Virgin, in Her Supernatural interventions would go far to mitigate Paul's influence over The Church, and in pushing Paul's influence to the background.  But with the invention of the Printing Press, paul's influence would be unleashed upon the world and Christian Civilization would be swept away by the Pauline Doctrines of Free and Justified Sin -- millions of Catholics would be murdered and adherents of the True Church forever after persecuted and made to live in amoral secular societies.  All because of the difference between Christ and paul.

And you are quoting paul.

Obviously, the passage was a reply to Tyciol:

QuoteI'm not going to force myself to become a celibate vegetarian to do so

Here is a doctrine central to Christianity - A flawless lamb was sacrificed before The Lamb was sacrificed. Was Paul the first person to teach forgiveness of sins, Leo?

The Sacrifice must be accepted physically, mentally, and spiritually, but it can also be refused physcally, mentally, and spiritually. A culture for the fullest and final refusal is being established right now and will be coming into fruition, shortly. So you see, the mark of the Beast and the mark of God are closely related.

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Christ gave out 3 prophecies:  that His Church would be like a Wheat Field mixed with Weeds; that there would be taught a Wide Way which would lead to destruction, and that a False Apostle would come like a Wolf in Sheeps clothing who would be known for the evil he would do.  Paul is the fulfillment of all three of these prophecies.  He would reject Christ's Teachings of Righteousness and replace them with a Doctrine that amounts to nothing more than an excuse to Sin.  Every Evil committed by the Church would be somehow traceable to Pauline Doctrine.  The Influence of Our Lady the Blessed Virgin, in Her Supernatural interventions would go far to mitigate Paul's influence over The Church, and in pushing Paul's influence to the background.  But with the invention of the Printing Press, paul's influence would be unleashed upon the world and Christian Civilization would be swept away by the Pauline Doctrines of Free and Justified Sin -- millions of Catholics would be murdered and adherents of the True Church forever after persecuted and made to live in amoral secular societies.  All because of the difference between Christ and paul.

Dear Leo,
I love your reasoning. I never thought of this theme in these terms. Thanks for this wonderful viewpoint.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Any people claiming to be full kundaletics may give me an Email and tell me my name before I will reply to them in the future. If you post, and I see it, this will come up again. That's fire_conqueror@yahoo.com

Andonitxo, it was Leo who wrote that last quote. Please log-in and edit the post to that effect.

This page begins to cover a few of my beliefs about salvation. I think you'll like it, Leo:
:arrow: http://www.godonthe.net/catholic_catechism/catechism1.html

Please chapter and verse me when telling me what's in the Bible.

Sorry Pod, I left an incorrect tag when I posted it. Right now it's ok. Bye.

Pod_3-

First, I have had no Kundalic experience whatsoever.

I read your website about the catholic church. Most people (especially on this site I think) would agree that all organized religion is full of misinformation and false interpretation. Catholicism seems to be plagued more-so than any other Christian denomination I can think of.

I wonder, however, what motivated you to devote an entire website to the subject. While having several major flaws in my opinion (Virgin Mary worship, praying to saints, confession of sins to a priest, I could go on), the Catholic church is one of the few Christian denominations that believes in the miraculous, and encourages it. Many of the works done by the Catholic church are of true benefit to the world.  I unfortunately lose a great deal of respect for anyone who feels it necessary to point out the way in which others are wrong spiritually, outside of an appropriate discussion.

I only bring this up because this was a great thread ,that unfortunately for me, ended in disappointment. Please don't take this the wrong way, I mean no disrespect.

And a note to Leo- keep up the great posts. I find your insight into spiritual things make a lot of sense to me. You describe normally complex things in a way which I am able to easily grasp. Your knowledge has helped me remove many of the veils of mysticism and be able to view things in a light I am able to apply to my life. Plus I like your history lessons :)

I didn't put up that  page, Mister Anjilek, just the link. I did so due to my belief that the theme of the Bible is it's fight against a certain religion, which will come to a head, such as in the book of Revelations.  It is the common denominator of most religions, but it's many similarities to Christianity bring fence-riders to dire consequences.

Whereas King David was said to be marked on the head by an emblem in the shape of tree, and the saints of the end-times will be marked on the forehead with a new name given to them by God, the Mark of the Beast will be given on the forehead, too.

Now, we are talking about a spiritual practice, which some say attract serpents from the center of the earth and through the third eye, generating such heat that the forehead or skull can be burnt.

It is my belief that one sort of kundaletic energy is being built up and will be released upon a certain astrological date. Many disciplined people have been nourishing this egregore, but a simple act of loyalty will be enough to release the force of millions of spiritual awakenings.

When the act of accepting a chip is completed, the Mark will be taken physically, spiritually, and mentally.

I apologize for the assumption it was your site. You mentioned it was similar to your beliefs and I jumped to conclusions.

I wil have to reread revelations, specificly the parts dealing with mark's. I haven't spent much time in it lately, and with all the new information about kundalini and many other things, it may shed alot of light on it that I was previously blind to.

I  apologize again for the assumption.

Sorry if it seems like my attitude sucks. That is only for people who jump all over me and the apostle Paul (?)

If you also read several different concordances, the differing translations of "mark" is interesting.  Charax/charagma have many different connotations. It is a mark of indenture, given by means of puncture or series of punctures. By one meaning, it is taken to mean a palisade, which is a stronghold made of a row of bars.  The spiritual signifigance is rich.

Also, notice this occurs IN the right hand or forehead.


Read with discernment. Not everything you here next will be in the Bible so specifically:

The Beast has the signifigance of being any sort of powerhouse. Also see the SAME language used in alchemy. However, it is interesting that there is a satellite used to track chipped pets.  Due to it being for animals, the inventors thought it would be cute to name it the B.E.A.S.T.

The chips emit a bar code, which is a row of bars containing 3 sixes. The barcode's inventor claims that it was a coincidence, but I understand that similar to our counting in 1's, 10's, and 100's, barcode digits fall under the  6's, 60's, and 600's place. By some tellings, all the numbers add to 666. There are thousands of 666's in numerology, but many fit into the same trend.

Read ADSX's shareholder news if you think the Verichip rumors are contrived, not that this being forced upon people - yet. Apparently, bodyheat is used to generate electricity. Your dominant hand and forehead are among the hottest body parts.

(I will not say too much about this, but numerologists would see many correlations in movements of this stock. It is my opinion that many of The Establishment see trends in buys and astrological dates and respect them for appearing to have been made by people in the know. Many things which normal people would never be allowed to pulll off may be accepted if performed in the correct format.)

Whitehouse websites have it that equipment must be chipped as of 1/1/05. And we thought someone accidentally was allowed to publically insult Rumsfeld for lack of proper equipment.

Speaking of symbolic coincidence, and remembering that nobody knows the hour of the second coming of Christ, It SEEMS that after the winter solstice of 2012, some New Agers are implying that they will have won Armageddon after a several year period of trials. Hmmm.

Dates always change on account of different systems of counting - were it not for calendars being astrological. Supposedly, the earth will be sitting on the galactic ecliptic and equator, which is not to mention a Grand Sextile of kundaletic signifigance. Draco(Cancer) will be opposite Virgo.
You will find this in the works of Bailey and Blavatsky before it appeared in the works of fat ministers.

(Blavatsky hated Jews,  who are also equated to Christians, and Hitler admired her.)

I give it only a couple of years at most before all this hidden stuff is revealed to everyone plainly. Illuminatists are proud of their mission and coming out slowly of their own will for all to see.

About the roar sound that has been spoken of in the early posts...what exactly does it sound?
Is it (exactly) like the sound you hear when you yawn? ...I'm curious about this because I can reproduce that sound without flexing any muscles whatsoever...I just do it like anything else(move my hand, fingers,etc) ...

Like the noise of a big, crashing wave. Rather than subsiding, it gets louder the more you concentrate on it. Unless you've gotten used to or reversed it, it should be getting progressively louder every time you come back to concentrate on it.

There is a noise in the Satanic and Heavenly initiations:
:idea: Concenrating on the soud of empty space until it becomes a white roar is said by some yogis to possibly overcome a person or make them go insane.
:idea: In the Bible the voice of God is like a (melodious?) roar."And I heard a voice from heaven as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps" (Rev. 14:2)

This is probably similar to what is experienced by a baby being born. Eyes struggle to focus on images bathed in light of hitherto unknown brightness.  Air entering the ears for the first time would sound like that noise in a thousand seashells, and you are no longer so grounded to your life-support system.