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Tia

Hi Blossom,

I dont know how long you have been doing the NEW exercises but most people when they first start it have some incredible experiences.  In the begining I was terrified of the energy rushes that I used to get.  I experienced psychic phenomena, one night I experienced a transfer of energy from my partner to me - all sorts of weird and wonderful happenings (see my old posts).  All the activity seems to die down after a while.  And then, as Tom says it goes in cycles.    

I was never interested in OBE in the beginning, only on energy work.  Then, after I had got accustomed to the fact that I actually had an energy body, I began trying for the OBE.  I know that Robert says that energy is essential to OBE but I know that people do OBE without having done any energy work.  NEW does have an all round affect, like stirring things up.  I have found that before I actually succeeded in having an OBE I had, and still have dreams where I am practicing my technique, learning to fly etc.,  So for me, I think that some mind preparation takes place before you can actually do it.  I'm trying the interrupted sleep technique at the moment but it isn't very successful so far.

If you are in the 'black void' and hearing astral noise, you must be right at the threshold.  I experienced that void, after I had left my body.



Blossom

You have really given me things to think about..  I am so glad.

The only time I have had an OBE it was instantaneaous and at the time, I did not believe them possible..

The main thing so concrete in my memory about it [I was absolutely awake], is the quick black void.  At the time and until this moment, I always thought of it like a quick black curtain that lowered in an instant and then raised in another instant and then as it raised...I was there...  Awsome thing and in that moment, I believed..  I was changed..  My entire belief system did a major altering.. Everything I thought was real went POOF... I had to reevaluate everything in my life.

But the quick blackness...  Maybe this blackness, this void of my energy work now, is the same thing that I saw as a quick black curtain then.. And until now..   I will have to think about it.  It was the deepest blackness I have ever seen and so fast..  All presense of light was gone.  It was like a switch turning on black and then off just as fast.  And when it raised it was instantaneously "blue". It still gives me chills to think about it and it was over a year ago.

But until recently, my only goal was to OBE.  I don't know what happened to make me or cause me to OBE at that time, but now, it's not my goal anymore.  So for about 1 month I have been doing daily energy work.. But before that, I meditated nearly daily except for one [3-4 month stretch] every day for about 18 months.. since the OBE.  But serious energy work for about 1 month, but energy work in general as in adding to my OBE attemps for about 5 months or so..  

I have learned more in the last month than in 18 months..  I am very serious about that...  And during that month since I was not trying to OBE, it is much more intense.   No personal pressure of any kind..

I have felt in my recent black voids like I was on the verge without trying. That's one reason I have gone ahead and started trying to hold my consciousness 1" from my nose while doing breathing like Robert Bruce describes in his book.  Where you start with the beginning of the breath and FEEL it moving down though you to the bottom of your lungs and then counting on the exhale..  Thought control with my consciousness 1" away..

Those are my goals right now and I start this exercise after I get in my void.

Maybe my void is the same as the quick blackness I experienced before but now I have a little control of it...  I can't say for sure but it is possible.

Also, something else you said makes a little sense too in thinking about my only OBE..  Before the blackness/blueness I rolled in the bed and I am thinking now through my reading that I must have rolled out of my body without knowing. At the time, I had always thought it was my physical rolling, but now I am thinking it was my astral rolling.  I remember feeling seperate from the roll and that was the first difference I noticed about something happening to me that day.. When I rolled, I still at that time, did not think that I was fixing to OBE.  It hadn't crossed my mind yet..  I was just wondering why I coundn't feel myself roll when I knew I had..  I was also aware that I hadn't thought about turning over in bed.  So I am not sure if I was the astral or the body thinking these things...  I don't know if my physical or my astral turned.  I do know now that they were both present.  I am just not sure which I was, but it was the opposite of the one that rolled.  Right after this, was when the buzzing was going on and then the quick "black curtain opening and closing" revealing the blueness everywhere.  The blue was as bright and shiny as the dark was black and lightless.  Major instant constrast.. Unforgettable and made an unbeliever in the astral an instant believer.

I call it my life changing moment..  

So, my point again, if the void occurs after you leave your body, where are you... if nothing is there.  How do you go and what do you do at that point?

It is a very dark black and it flashes at times in front of my eyes.  I am awake and in bed and know if I open my eyes, my room is still there.  

How do you know for sure Tia?  That's my question..  Your response makes sense to me, but how do I know for sure??  It is very comfortable to just lay there in this void and do nothing but maintain it... I can stay there a long time..  An hour..

Thanks, Blossom



~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

Tia

We all react differently.  The back void to me was very frightening because I could not feel myself physically in any way - I thought I did something wrong and was going to be stuck in limbo forever and nobody would know!  But it didn't last very long,  the next thing I got sight and I found myself crawling down the bed.  I think the void is where your consciousness is.  It has moved from the physical (projected into the double) and the projected body has seperated but not yet left the physical.  Hence the feeling of not knowing where you are.  That's my theory anyway.

And that's the problem with OBE - you can never be sure, until you become expert at it.  I will really celebrate if I OBE and see the card on the window, and without reality fluctuations.  And then wake up and look at the card - and it's the same card!  And if it's not - then I'm back to square one...


Blossom

Alot of things about energy development used to scare me too.  I guess it was because I was meeting the unknown part of me.

Then one day through the course of reading more [I love to read], I really started thinking about what energy really is and what it means to me in trying to understand things.  I needed a new viewpoint since I wanted to succeed and get rid of my own fear and holdup in the process going on.

I see energy now as the force of everything.  I am trying to realistically understand and see and KNOW that we are not solids at all but energy held together by gravity down to our smallest molecule or atom.  I know that sounds odd but that helped me in ridding myself of my own fears.  The trees, myself and even innate objects "I think" I see as all the same and composed of the same things.  I am saying "I think" because I am not absolutely sure of this..  I am still going through a learning process, but moving along this thought line has helped me alot..  I might be in for a rude awakening [no pun intended] if I am totally wrong here...  But oh well, this is part of the learning process..  I am a very new person at this.. I am assuming right now that our thinking organ, the brain, is the only difference in humans as a people having a consciousness.  I don't know how it is connected but I think it is.  Why certain parts of this energy are drawn to others and thus creating the tree or thus creating a person or anything else is way beyond me at this point.  I can't comptemplate on that yet, but I will one day.

In trying to develop that viewpoint, it is easier for me to try and change my perspective during energy work.  I am trying to move beyond the atom level and into the pure energy of myself.. I feel like the black void is part of that and I absolutely love being there and sitting there and thinking about things there.  I have not learned mind control yet..  That is my next step. My goal is to have total control over the entire process.. Maybe unrealistic??  I hope not.  

I don't feel negs can bother me doing this because it is still...just my energy and nothing else.  And I consider my energy a good thing.  I am not trying to OBE, but just move around within myself in different ways.  It makes the experience different for me and also makes it easier for me to do..

Sincerely, Blossom

p.s. I hope this makes sense to ya and to anyone else..  It is a hard thing to put down and feel that it is understandable to someone.

Note:  I want to add one more thing to this..  I feel also that in moving down this line of thinking that the entire world is one unit.  Everything has a purpose in being here.  I think there are TWO kinds of organisms.  Living and non living, which is really a very simple concept to see..  But my point here is this:  I think we are all related, living and non-living and need each and every thing here in order for existance to be.  

Our environment is perfect in that aspect.  The rocks on our planet are filled with minerals which make the soil rich for the growth of all living plants which in turn then feeds us..  We are all connected in some form or another with every other thing on the planet..  We need everything and we are a little bit of everything.  We all share this..

But the wonder of this goes backward to the main source.  The first point of it.. I can only try and do this within myself and so these things help me as I think about the black void.  I love the feeling of being in that place.  

What is really amazing to me is that is it possibly that when we find our own true energy source, will we also find the source of every other thing on this planet that exists?  Is the source all the same for all things here?

Tia, I am not really asking for you to answer me.  I get way off the wall sometimes, but I have a very curious nature and I probably think WAY too much but that stems from lots of alone time..  I am just a rambling on....

Jenn

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

ralphm

Blossom, keep rambling, I like reading about people's explorations. While reading your post I thought of the saying-We are spiritual beings having a human experience, not humans having a spiritual experience. I guess defining what we mean by spiritual could take lifetimes and fill volumnes of books, but we gotta have a little fun.

In the world in general and in this nation
May not even the names disease, famine, war, and suffering be heard.
May virtuous qualities, merit, and prosperity greatly increase
And may continuous good fortune and subline well-being perfectly arise.

Blossom

Ralphm, that makes perfect sense actually!!  And it is a beautiful thought to comtemplate on... and yes, it IS fun..

But if our bodies are a form of physical expression for our spiritual..it also means our spirit must have came first if our physical form is the expression of that..

I wonder what actually is the deciding factor in the form of expression for our spirit side?  Why are we human beings in other words?  Why aren't we trees or grass or anythings else.  Who decides that?  Do we do that in some way?  And when do we do that?    

There is just so much to figure out.  On the lighter side, wouldn't it have been a bummer to have been a rock with no thought process ?? But then on the other hand, without the rock, nothing else might not even exist so the rock does serve a purpose..

Sigh....

You know as I sit here thinking about the rock thing, I wonder..  The rock sits there through all weather, doing it's job, relentless to the end.. Giving it's minerals to the ground aided by the rain..  Through many many centuries.. never wavering and never changing.. It lasts through countless human lifetimes.. and I do mean countless in a literal sense.

I know that all things within them possess a certain vibration.  Some are just unmeasurable to human instruments by current detection means, but it does exist.  I have read about that.  I don't remember where but I really have read about that.  When we change our vibrational rate in order to OBE, OR in order to visit other dimensions, we are raising our vibrational frequency to a higher frequency.. Could we also lower our vibrational rates to experience other things.. such as life as a rock?  I wonder if that would be possible..

If we can raise our vibrational rate, it stand to reason, we could lower it also..  I wonder if anyone has ever done that and what has occured..  

I am starting to wonder if one lifetime is enough time to figure it all out..  

Sincerely,
Blossom

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

kakkarot

cool.

i have heard "the voices in the background" before. every time i try to focus on them, i can no longer hear them. pretty annoying. i don't know if it was praying, but i keep getting the impression that it is some sort of spiritual "World Wide Web" or something. that would be sweet.

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

Tia

Hmmm...  You've really got me thinking (I can hear rusty cranking noises!).  My theory is that a rock does not have consciousness so therefore we could not become mineral.  I do think that anything with 'juice' has consciousness (I read that somewhere) but I think there are different forms of consciousness and we cant mix them.  I think that the human body is the lowest vibration that we are capable of, physically.  If the body is solid matter then vibrating higher moves away from the physical.  I dont believe we reincarnate as dogs etc.,  Michael P H Newton wrote that animals come from one big pool of consciousness; one drop becomes a buffalo, another drop a rat.  And when they die they go back into that pool, like a drop in the ocean, unlike humans.  This makes some sense but I am hoping that I will meet up with my cat again one day, that his individuality wasn't lost.  Robert wrote an article on Reincarnation which was very complex.  I also dont think too much on these matters as I really believe that the human brain isn't equiped to understand the whole in's and out's of it all - well, mine anyway.  

Ever since I started NEW I have really been interested in energy - or trying to figure it out.  Cant get many answers though.  I had a theory that there was one type of energy, and matter was the conduit, all matter converting this raw energy according to useage.  But maybe, there is more than one type of energy out there.  Not only the energy that we draw through our feet doing NEW but something else that comes in through the head - perhaps it's the same energy being converted to something else as it passes through the crown terminal ie a different port?  And then there is the energy created by the mind or thought energy but this may also be just be a conversion of the one energy source.  The more I think about it, the more I stay with my original theory that there is one energy which gets converted by whatever it passes through.  

Just thinking out loud...


Blossom

Tia, I love your post..  I can't comment right now as I am pressed for time, but I will be back..  Possibly tonight, but I can' t say for sure..  I will say however, I am inclined to agree with your rock theory...  I would sure hate to be a rock...hehe  I also have always loved juice and juice fasts.. They energize and I consider them as partaking of a living food.  Apple and pinapple are my favorites..with one exception.  Canalopes... Have you ever put a canalope in the blender and then poured it in a glass.  There is nothing on this planet any better than that..  It is the tops..

Kakkarot:  I am glad someone else experienced exactly what I did with the background voices.  If you experience that again, I would really like to hear about it.  That was the first time that has ever happened to me.

I will write more to you later Tia but right now...gotta go.

Sincerely,
Jennifer

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

James S

Tia, believe me, your brain isn't the only one that's not big enough to cope with these concepts!

Consciousness might not be the correct thing to ascribe to rocks. I believe lifeforce energy would be though.
The way I'm thinking about it is in line with what Blossom was saying about the rocks giving back nutrients to the ground. Rocks, soil, minerals etc. I believe must have some form of intrinsic lifeforce. If this were not true they would not be able to pass on life to organisms that grow from the soil.

I believe the process of "life" requires an awful lot more than just the right DNA sequences bringing together a certain set of chemicals and molecules. For life to exist, it must have a lifeforce energy. Nature imbues the earth with this energy so that it is passed on to all things. From this you could conclude that we are all connected through the energies that have ultimately given us and all living things around us life, including the rocks and minerals of the earth.

As I believe that the spirit of nature is the entity who is the guardian of all life, we also have a spiritual connection to her through the lifeforce energy that she nurtures. If you want, you could probably then take this connection back to the ultimate creator of the universe - God if that is what you wish to call this entity, and so we then also find a connection to the stars that gave us the energy and matter that we are built from.

I think I could safely say that I agree that we, though individual entities, are all connected through a web of life and spirit energy to all that is around us, even the stars themselves. What a wonderful idea.

Thoughtfully,
James.


ralphm

HELP! While reading this my mind blew a fuse! I guess thinking about this stuff has always attracted me, however I like just experiencing, without analyzing to any great degree.  I remember when I used to read Rudolf Steiner, seems like he explained everything in the universe. Somehow having it in print made me realize that I could spend the rest of my life just studying just one part of the universe(for example biodynamics-his view of agriculture). Instead I just garden, apply some of his priciples and not think about which cosmic forces I am ignoring. I still get better tomatoes than you could buy!

In the world in general and in this nation
May not even the names disease, famine, war, and suffering be heard.
May virtuous qualities, merit, and prosperity greatly increase
And may continuous good fortune and subline well-being perfectly arise.

Blossom

Hello James and Tia,

Okay guys, here is what I think.. First, I do not believe that rocks have a consciousness because they have no will.  But I do believe that have a vibrational force within them that serves a great purpose as James said and as I believe.. I think everything has a purpose and a time for being for what there are at present.  And because I personally choose to think everything is energy,  I also believe that matter is merely an illusion of the physical reality that we perceive to be real as in solidity of form and structure..  I think it is only real because we want it to be real.  Matter is only one form that energy can use..  It is the most convenient form of energy for us to use in our physical world..

I have thought about this alot in the last year and at first it made me nervous to think this way about things like I might be losing control or something.  But the more I thought about it, the more it actually started making sense to me...  Matter is nothing but what we want it to be..  Matter is energy which is everything and also which is nothing.  

I might be wrong, but I am going to go a little deeper now.. Please bear in mind that I am not educated in this so don't take my word for anything..  I read alot and that's all.  But I believe what I believe what I believe to be true.  But it has to make sense to me in order for me to perceive it to be facts or factual.

Now, I don't remember exactly where I read this, but I remember sometime during the last year as I started on my meditation adventure, I did lots of reading on different theories and stuff about the physical, the astral and the spiritual.  The main thing I was trying to read about was how the heck had I transcended my physical body and went into some other form of a actual
reality on some another level where I did not have a body at all and without trying.  How had this happened and how was it possible?  This fact bothered me.. I had to have an logical explanation of this to suit me.  I knew it was as real as I am sitting here typing this..

But during my reading, one of the most interesting things I read was that the particles of everything solid [matter] that we see when observed on a very tiny subatomic particle level are not really solids at all.  The particles at this level were described as constant dynamic movement, as in a form of energy and were considered by scientists to be nonphysical in nature as in
4 dimensional.  Energy being nonphysical was a revelation to me... It gave me an awsome feeling to understand this and see what this really meant to me and continues to mean to me.  

And since matter is made up of energy, that means nothing is actually solid in nature... It only appears that way.  Isn't that mind blowing..???  Isn't that amazing..?? That means to me that EVERYTHING around us that we see with our physical eyes is NOT solid, but is comprised of constantly moving and changing energy particles..  Nothing is solid.  Nothing is then what it appears to be.  But our physical eyes can't see these things.  We only see the semblance of solidity.  We live in an illusionary world..  Nothing is what we think it is..  Reality then must be a grand illusion..

Isn't that sad?  Wouldn't it be wonderful to see things as they really are?  The more I learn, the more I feel nearly handicapped to be in a physical form... There is so much more out there.  This is why I spend hours meditating.  I want to know more from my own personal vantage point in the universe.

These things were and still are my motivating factors and has led me to want to experiment within myself to know more and more about energy play and energy development...  There is some major energy souce out there somewhere.  I would love to see it if possible..

I am nearly of the mind that nothing is truely impossible.  We just have to open our minds and forget all that we think we know about reality.  I am starting to see and feel like nothing is really real.  It's all in our own personal perception of things.  Mine has turned topsy turvy this last year that's for sure.

What is really real, if our reality is actually based on only what we see and can touch?  And then finding out and understanding that those things we can see and touch are made up of nonphysical substances. Matter is nothing and matter is everything.  Just like us.. So, everything is really nonphysical in nature..

And there ya have it..  My rambling thoughts again..  I have confused myself..  It is hard to type real straightforward about this.  It more of a thing I know inside than something I can prove.  Because I don't know how.

I guess we all just have to find our ways and discover our own truths about the world and how we view it.  And be happy...

Sincerely,
Jennifer

p.s.  I just reread this and it sounds as though I am some sort of psycho or something..  I am not..   I am a housewife who had a great OBE and that's all.. I just want to understand things.  I am not a nut. [my husband might not agree with that but...]

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

Blossom

I probably analyze too much and should just quit it..  I have been told that many times before by many people who's philosophy was "just live and forget about it"..  I guess it doesn't really matter at all. [no pun intended]..  

Everything will just keep being what everything is anyway.  Understanding really changes nothing except personal viewpoints..  It doesn't change reality or how we express it.  It only changes what is inside of us and how we perceive it.

You're right ralphm.  Tomotoes are much more important..

Sincerely,
Blossom

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

Tia

Ha, ha, ha...  I'm with Ralphm (just blew a fuse).

Blossom, being inquisative doesn't make you a nutter.

I actually love hearing someone else's views on the universe as I have a few gaps in my own theory - darn, I have been on this computer all morning, I have to get off now....

Back later.


Blossom

ha ha ha is right...!  I have blown all mine a long time ago....   We are the fuse-less people looking for ways to recharge..  This thread is the byproduct of my fuseless state..

That's funny...

Sincerely,
Blossom

p.s.  Oh my gosh, I just became a silver member with 100 posts..  !! Neato as my people from my generation used to say...
~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

James S

Blossom,

Just because you are not educated as such does not mean that you are incapable of understanding concepts of the relationship between matter & energy.

As was pointed out in another post, Zen monk understood the true nature of time long before theoretical physicists started getting it nailed down on paper.

Your assesment of the relationship netween  matter and energy is correct. Matter is the product of energy. As Carl Sagan used to say, "we are all star stuff."

The more you look at these kind of ideas, the more you will see that this is currently where science is going with quantum mechanics. It isn't about matter, it is all about energy.

James.


Blossom

Matter IS the product of energy...

Thank you James S, the engineer.. Knowing that, is an absolute and total relief to me on some level.  I knew I read it but I speculated even more about it, so I wasn't sure exactly what I had read anymore and what I had just felt to be the truth because it fit into place for me...[even though I believed it to be true..]  Knowing and believing are miles apart and makes all the difference.  

This is just an awe-inspiring moment for me..  I was telling my husband about this today...I have thought alot about it and writing it down brought it to life again for me. I was touching the computer table, the wall, the tv table and trying to tell him it was an illusion.. that it was nonphysical...that it was energy.  He just shook his head and smiled at me.  My little husband puts up with alot sometimes in my excitement over things.. poor guy..

Thank you James S,
Blossom

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

Windameir

Hi ya Blossom First yer not a nut http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
Like the others I like reading about your perceptions. I think scientists have decided that there is Far more space in matter than matter in space http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> As for Rocks have you ever lain on a very large boulder? I seem to be very comforted and sense more than just a big lump of stone behind me. You typed you liked to read lots have you read Carlos Casteneda's Books? his first book is The Teachings of don Jaun A Yaqui Way of Knowledge it is kind of a dry read like a lot of notes thrown together but his other books The second I think is A Separate Reality Further Conversations with don Jaun is great he wrote quite a few and they only get better, you should really read them He even talks about things like Rocks (I can't remember which book) having some kind of consciousness allthough far different than ours is... anyway don Juan is a Yaqui Indian sorceror and tries to teach Carlos about things that we would probably refer to as OBE's or altered Reality anyway there a lot of fun to read and are Listed as Non Fiction.

Happy Travels
Windameir

aussie_swede

Blossom..What can I say but WOW!!!
That was an awe inspiring read. Your writing style is amazing. I can really feel where you are coming from. I think I share the "blowing a fuse" feeling. But sometimes its good to blow a fuse because a lot of the time they need replacing anyway.(My philisofical advice hehe) But it has made me think a lot as well.

I have one question. How do you keep up your motivation with meditation and energy work schedules. I often say that I am going to focus on, say, moving energy around my body, but i get side tracked and move onto other things. Have you got any good advice or tips?

P.S Your forum is great!! I will definately be back to check it out.

Cheers,

-Steve-

Step outside the square you live in.
Step outside the square you live in.

Blossom

Hey Guys,

Actually my motivation is not a factor at all so I don't know how I motivate myself..  Probably being home alone most of the time and enjoying it are the only factors involved.. I hurry through my other things so I have MORE time to meditate.. I give the word extremist a slightly new twist on the meaning..

Sincerely,
Blossom

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
In Alice in Wonderland by 'Cheshire Cat'

ninthplanet

Thought I might as well chime in, since a great thread is flowing.  I've been doing some readings from Edgar Cayce, and some of the things are relative to what is being talked about.  First of all, I'm not exactly sure this was from Cayce, but definitely from a very spiritual individual, but it was said that all spirits have an ability of choosing the physical form they would like to incarnate.  What this tells us is that these energy bodies choose what shape and/or situation they would like to be in.  Why?  Well, a very meaningul answer would be that the energy body places itself where it knows certain lessons can be learned, so as to raise higher in the reincarnation process.  I can relate to this belief incredibly, since my brother and I, as well as my mother are very spritual people, and I would probably never have become the person I am today if I was not in contact with these people.  How often does one meet somebody who is deep into metaphysics.  Maybe a couple of times in a life ( I wouldn't know, I'm only 19).  So I can only conclude that my higher self chose the position I am currently holding so that I would raise my spirituality to another level.  Same thing for all of those who belong to this forum.  I truly believe that we are all very evolved energy bodies who have been incarnated into what we are so as to learn the AMAZING aspects of true spirituality.

 Also, on the topic of rocks and animals and whether or not they hold energy.  I am well aware of the idea that everything in nature is an energy, or vibration.  Furthermore, what I have learned from Cayce is that humans are only incarnated into other humans, nothing lower.  That is not to say earth's materials:water, soil, and vegatation are worthless.  I know for a fact that humans are capable of communicating with vegetation and animals, therefore these must have some form of conciousness, probably lower than humans.  This could be exactly why, many people feel "connected" when experiencing nature at its finest.  Also, from a website, I have learned that there exist nature spirits, known as devas.  Energy forces that look over nature. Anyone who is interested can check out www.earthtransitions.com  / a very good site with a whole bunch of interesting topics.  

Anyways, I think I've said my peace, hopefully I have given you all some things to think about.  Have a great day!

-ninthplanet

*Luck to those who travel an unbeaten path*


Blossom

Recently, I decided to quit trying to OBE and concentrate fully on nothing but energy development..  I have decided it was the best thing I could have possibly done.

Taking the pressure off myself and having an OBE has taken energy development to a whole new level for me.  

In not trying to OBE, I think I am going to OBE soon which is odd or possibly something else is going to happen.  I am not sure which.  But every day I spend about 4 hrs doing energy work [2-two hr sessions].  I have reached a point now where I can consistently maintain a wonderful energy state of mindless bliss.  

I do all the new methods of stirring and wrapping described in the book by Robert Bruce.  I have worked up to full chakra openings at this time.  It is by far the most incredible feeling to lay and vibrate with waves of energy moving around your body.  I see blinding flashes of light that are awsome.  The last two days I have added one thing to my routine.  I try and hold my consciousness two inches from my nose...  and breathe deeply and fully while maintaining myself in this state.  It is not as easy as it sounds.

Today, I had something different happen.  I was laying down and had reached a deep relaxation/trace state that I described above.   I was in my black void, which is easy for me to achieve now and it was very quiet..  I am not sure exactly how this happened but suddenly I became aware of voices chanting some other language in the background that I quickly perceived to be prayers.  As I became aware of it, the voices stopped and plain as day, I heard "You do not understand the words".  It was so loud and plain it brought me forward from my trance and I quickly went and wrote the words down to comptemplate on later..  

I am just wondering if anyone else has had something like this happen to them...  It was wonderful...

Sincerely,
Blossom

~~Blossom~~

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"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
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