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[Risu no Kairu]

Well, I don't want to say they are, since I don't know, but I'm leaning in that direction.

I mean, if that one guy could levitate a pocket knife, he could easily  get the million from Randi.

[mustard]

They look really cool and convincing, but if they are fakes, then how can you trust the website on what's real and what's not.
Then again, why wouldn't they be real, since the website gives enormous and very convincing amount of detail on developing psychic abilities, so why wouldn't they expose their abilities to the media, for profit....or, so they can open up schools where they would teach us how to develop our psychic energy.

I think they're fake though, so am leaning in the same direction as
Risu no Kairu.[8D]

[James S]

For the answer to this question, have a bit of a look at a site like www.skepdic.com

There are organisations out there who spend their entire time and energy debunking any 'paranormal' claim that anybody makes, and do it in such an authoratitive manner, that the general public will believe their findings almost like blind faith.

Trouble is that these societies are so hell bent in their unbalanced pursuit to disprove things, and so bound up by their scepticism, that they don't seem to ever be interesting in trying to see if it might actually be possible to prove something "paranormal' to be true.

I took scepdic.com to task a couple of years ago when they made an absolute statement that there is no such thing as the human aura. Their 'proof' (if you could call it that) was there is no scientific means with which an aura has actually been detected, therefore it cannot exist. Apart from the blindingly obvious fact that to date there are still many things that 'science' can't measure, theres exists a medical imaging device called a SQuID  - Superconductive Quantum imaging Device, that was developed in recent years, and is able to diagnose the state of health of living cells by measuring their bioelectric aura.

In a nutshell, for every person willing to prove, even convincingly, that they are capable of abilities that are beyonbd what is considered 'normal', there is also someone obsessed with proving them to be a fake.

I for one hope that it is not too long before people are able to start ignoring the attempts of sceptics to disprove everything they don't believe in, and start thinking for themselves that maybe humans are capable of more.

Regards,
James.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I was just watching Science Mysteries on the Discovery Channel, and in one section they were talking about people trying to prove ESP. By the end of the article i was thinking to myself, 'why bother?'
As James said, there are people who are hell-bent on shooting down these sorts of things for some reason. It's almost as if they are against human developement.

So with psipog and every other website or even just every person who has psychic abilities of any sort, i think they pretty much see it as a waste of time. Who cares if people believe you or not? The important thing, in my mind, is that you have faith in your own abilities. If you can reach a few people with them then that's cool.
If psipog were to try and gain attention towards their videos and stuff they would just get ridiculed and many people would side with the debunkers for what ever reason.

[mustard]

[B)]I guess you can't make anyone believe in something unless they see it with their own eyes, but to try to disprove of someone elses claims because they think it's impossible or they haven't seen anything like it in their life, seems wrong and it's like saying I believe in God and hell and heaven because and that is it I believe in nothing else, but they haven't seen hell, heaven.... so why not try to disprove of things like that.

[volcomstone]

well I recently read a nice book ,Im always making references to it nowadays simply because it is a GREAT book.  The author is Rupert sheldrake the book is entitled "7 experiments that could change the world"

anyhow he trys to understand this blind faith of skepticism and the  scientific doctrine, anyhow
to make a long story short, he basically stated that even if a paranormal researcher does double-blind scientifically sound tests, with reproducable effects, skeptics will still find a "flaw" in the data even if the "flaw" is made up or non-existant

then they start attacking your procedures of and the scientific process that you went through in the experiment

even when other skeptic researchers reproduce the same experiment, and achieve the same results (ie showing that people DO know when they are being looked at)
many times these researchers will still deny the facts, and claim its an accident

I think they're all just afraid someone will burst their bubble, make em realise there is much more to reality than what has been discovered by science

"those who can't, become critics"

[mustard]

Arrrgh[!], it's because of skeptics that most people  loose interests in looking into details of what exactly is real, to me alot of skeptics are very ignorant to disprove something they find impossible and just object to it without even trying to understand.

[siddhis]

Hello all,

Just some thoughts...

I know there are many many things that science cannot currently explain. Also there are those who see science as their "religion"...who take extreme exception to thoughts and ideas outside established dogma and would go to great lengths to hinder "free thought".

Even so...I suspect that the referenced videos are probably fake.

but inspirational nonetheless[]

[markperson]

If a person were to come out and say that they have
(TK) or (BK) or (PK) or (CK) or any kind of psi ability or ki ability they would be shot down right away. People might try to say that its some kind of cheap parlor trick and say that they saw the same thing before and the other person who did it did it better. Or the people who believed might try to exploit these abilities. So the point is people don't just come out and say and do it is because they are afraid that they will be ridiculed. (P.S i hope i spelled that last word right and if i did not please correct me.)

[mustard]

You spelled it correctly.[]
[8D]Hmmmm, yeah some of that stuff might happen here since most of the society is uneducated about chi, or see the spiritual energy stuff as nonsense.
In USA it might be viewed that way, but what about if someone exposes themselves in China or some other Middle Eastern country where societies are much more spiritually involved.

I'm not stereotyping here, I just say it as I see it, on tv.[]

[Cryo]

the funny thing about most skeptics I have encountered is they have a religion and when you throw it up in their face why they go to church or to prove it exists they shut up they think that if it was real then everybody would be doing yeah right everybody would be quarintined and picked apart like lab rats thanks but no thanks anything is possible but just because you not skeptic doesnt mean you should believe everything without proof like I'm cryokinetic while I believe with enough time with any practice it is possible I am weary of anything shoot on video because I took brodcasting for several years and making something levitate on camera is very simple just be weary of those things

[mustard]

Has anyone actually felt as if they came close to moving or even levitating an object with any kind of energy, that can shed some light on this topic, please[B)]?

[volcomstone]

Ive moved pinwheels and pendulums with tK, I also have touchable bubbles which I can move around

its rather simple, but completly useless

[mustard]

Do you, or why don't you train hard and long enough untill you can move something bigger like levetate yourself.[]
Seriously though, shouldn't more training increase the electromagnetic brain waves of a TK user, or is that the total(only small amount of matter) that humans are capable of moving with telekinesis?[]
Never mind, no one can answer that question.[B)]
The thing is if someone did develop these energy manipulation skills,
would they rather keep it a secret for the rest of their life or would they tell peole and demonstrate it so that our and the future generations may learn or become aware of these possibilities.
That is if any one exists that can really levitate or move objects with kinetic energy.
It would be a shame that someone with phenomenal energy skills to hide from the society out of fear.

 

[kakkarot]

i think the term skeptic is getting a bit of unfair harm done to it: a skeptic is someone who doesn't naively believe something to be true, they look for proof (or incredibly strong logic) before they think of something as a fact; they do not confuse fact with belief. a disbeliever is someone who chooses not to believe something regardless of proof or lack of proof; they do tend to confuse facts as being something that can be disbelieved.

most of the time when i see people use the word skeptic, they really mean disbeliever. (sorry, it's just that i'm a skeptic of most things, and i don't like to be confused with being a disbeliever, because when i do have proof i do believe/trust something to be true.)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=skeptic for some definitions from various dictionaries.

~kakkarot

[mustard]

You're right kakkarot, I regret posting it earlier that skeptics are....
If it wasn't for people like skeptics we would't know what to belive in, since there wouldn't be anyone trying to find out the truth.
Well the way I see this skeptecisim thing is, we came a long way from using candles to give light in the dark to actually sending a human beingin space. Which in that time you told anyone that we'd be sending people in space, using electricity to give life to everyday tools which our whole world depends on, am sure not only would there be skeptics telling you that there is no way to summon or use electricity in such a way, but you telling them about astronauts would make them believe you're crazy,(yet they believed in whitches or black magic) and they were just normal people who grew up and learned from what knowledge their world had to offer in that time and couldn't imagine the possibilities. To get to the point,it's same story with us. We will only progress further with technology or spiritualism (since it's sortha of a new thing in western society)
wheter it would be about all sorths of energy manipulation or techological advancements it will all come out in daylight sooner or later.[]    

[Antranik]

What i don't understand is why people on this board think those videos are fake?  Who the heck would be so involved in writing articles, making detailed guides, recording videos (or even manipulating) for things that are absolute hogwash?  

Volcomstone says he can use telekinesis for the simple things we see in the videos, and admits like many others that it is useless (and probably boring), but why would he lie?  Why would those videos be fake? What is there to gain???[?]

-Confused Anto [V]

[findtruth]

Atranik,  Sadly, not everyone is honest.[V]

[lullabi]

I believe in telekinesis (though I can't do it) but I think the
videos and pictures on PsiPog are fake. They don't look right.

[Ybom]

It doesn't matter if they're fake. I prefer to believe they're true so I can inspire myself. volcomstone, tk in it's present state is useless, but if developed in society could produce more than what you see right now. I'd go more into depth than that, but all you have to do is imagine the extremes of tk and energy work to the point of technology today.

Technology doesn't exist in the physical world, yet we prove that it exists with inventiveness. Why can't we be inventive with energy?

[Crystalinity]

Because people will go to any, and I mean any length to prove that they are right, over-complicating things beyond belief.  An example:  I performed electrokinesis right in front of a person's eyes, giving him a small shock and causing a piece of paper to stick to my hand.  He believed that, prior to doing this, I rubbed my hand on a carpet to generate static.  The fact that I would have had to do this for about half an hour solid to be able to do these things one after another did not faze him in the slightest.  Another example is when I performed TK on a small pencil.  He believed that I had bored a hole in the pencil, inserted a piece of metal, and stuck the wood back in, and then had a magnet under the table.  Point proven.

[mustard]

quote:Originally posted by Crystalinity

 He believed that I had bored a hole in the pencil, inserted a piece of metal, and stuck the wood back in, and then had a magnet under the table.  Point proven.

Very gooooooooood point![]    
energy manipulation<>
Most immature people will react with disbelief because of not being able to comprehend what they see, they think it's impossible.
Maybe from fear of the unknown, but then comes this >jealousy< they want to do what you can do, if they don't get it right they'll either go against you by calling you freak and so on, or they might even destroy you for being able to do something they can't.

Lets face it, would anyone want to be a target.
Meaning to be rid of their personal belongings or private life, which am sure the media would be all over, once someone that can use energy to move or crate something exposes themselves.

There would be rumors, false reports, accusings(he is messsing with the devils powers or something) , everyone's predictions on how....
All of this would get involved leading to nothing but confusion and lies.
People will find any use for this extraordinary person the cruelest way would be to make money of him.
OR,
The goverment might hide you from the public, and you'll end up being used for experiments, tests, and you'll feel lonely.
Sadly there is nothing one person can to defend themselves against the majority, so they will be forced to do what they are told, which takes away their freedom.
In reality all of this might not happen, but then why wouldn't it be possible I mean how else in this current world would the person experience the exposure?      

[Crystalinity]

We don't even need to say this, just take a look at the witchcraft trials of the Middle Ages.  Humans never change.  They won't accept it until they understand it, and they can't understand it until they accept it.  Catch 22.  As an example, we can see that early man had less idiocy and more faith; if he'd gone around dousing fires whereever he found them because he didn't believe in them, where would we be now?  I always say, if you don't believe your eyes, whose eyes will you believe?

[mustard]

I was thinking about something the other day and you know, well if anyone has seen it on TV that guy with white hair hindu ascent and big round nose that heals people.(he touches them on their face and they fall down to come back up again, their coments usually involve saying that they felt sorth of electricity or lightning go through them and if they were in a wheelchair they actually got up)
Now if this guy could heal people from paralyzis then why dosen't he heal Christopher Revee(the superman dude), it's not like this was a small show with thirty or forty people he was in a huge arena like place and there were thousands of people waiting to be healed on the stage.
He had couple of shows in US then he went in China to heal people there, but he earns millions by doing this he actually said it so I wonder is he for real?
Does anyone believe this guy can heal people?
His name is Benny Hinn.

[mustard]

Most of you heard of psipog.com.
I was checking the media forum and they had videos of people moving, spinning, and levitating objects.
So I was wondering(you might think it's a stupid question) why don't they expose themselves to the media and make it permanently clear that we are capable of doing something that most of society doesn't believe in. Are the videos just fakes? //http://www.psipog.net/media.php