something about rad ki and trad ki .........

[pod3]

Yes. I've researched the creation of these series', and the authors have basically all rehashed ancient lore. In spite of all the bitching we do it's really just a few more simple allowances belonging to more recent times which make the true abilities of many historically accurate figures so easily surpassible.

[Dark_Phoenix]

yea...i just cant see y others dont know about this either....and bring it down a notch to thosethat are into rad ki and such...u know....

[Anonymous]

A few others and myself have been saying the same thing for some time now.

If you want to improve your spirit energy or ki to a level above these normal ki practitioners then you must train your body phsyically, as well.  This must be taken to the extremes though and become a lifestyle.  It must be incredibly hard training, as well, with exercises that almost destroy you and could possibly kill you.

I have also discovered that physical endurance and not physical strength is the key to increasing spirit energy.  Do activities that allow your body to work incredibly hard for long periods of time are the best for increasing spirit energy.  For instance, if gymnasts studied ki then I bet they would excel at it much faster then we would because their bodies are more acclimated with dealing with larger amounts of energy flowing through their bodies.

Animes point this out, as well.  You hardly ever see a strong anime character just lifting heavy objects.  No, they do long distance running with weights, or pushup and situps, or sparring, or wear weighted clothing.  These exercises all require the user to endure extended amounts of physical strain to increase their power.  So their bodies become stronger, faster, and more attuned to using their own spirit energy to just make it through the day without falling over from the stress of the workout.

My point is that the only difference between rad ki and trad ki is that rad ki implements physical strain as well as spiritual strain while trad ki only works on the spiritual aspect.  This can not be efficient.  If ki is water and your body is a cup then wouldn't it be a poor decision to pour that water into a weak cup.

[Fat_Turkey]

Well said, Khuli, well said.

The only thing is that some animes are well researched, whereas others are simply thrown together because it looks cool and makes for a popular story.

And as for physical training that could kill you...it's kind of obvious that you don't do this physical training yourself. The worst you can get from training too hard is getting something like a hernia, slipping a disc, or breaking some bones. Death is hardly even an issue when it comes to working out very hard. Working out isn't even that hard, and I doubt that people have to make it an extreme lifestyle to be able to use energy in such a way. The ancient Japanese or whoever used energy didn't have huge weights did they? If they did then they sure as hell would be able to have done this extreme work-out lifestyle, and would be much stronger than they were. So I don't think it is necessary to become an uber tank of a human being just to use energy...

Doing martial arts is incredibly beneficial. I trust very few people on the internet when it comes to energy, as most of them are just little kids trying to discover something that will make them beat up bullies, without all the hard physical work (hence why "radical" ki training is all with the mind...). Martial arts not only strengthens your body in muscles, but in the way you use it. I may sound incredibly cheesy when I say this, but fighting is possibly the only way for a human (man, don't know about women...) to discover himself. It is zen in motion. You have a cleared and focused intent in the school or when you fight, so that you work to maximum technique and performance. My mind is incredibly clear when I am there, and afterwards as well. And some martial arts involve energy (kung fu, nei kung, aikido), so I suggest anybody really wanting to learn energy, not just stuff around claiming to do ki blasts, should get involved with martial arts.

As for me, I'm still trying to discover things. I doubt that the ki blast is possible, but there's no harm in trying. I'm more interested in getting telekinesis to work a little better...and it's hard to get the inspiration to train[|)]

Later
~FT

[Anonymous]

I did not mean that the ancient japanese wore weights or trained extremely hard but if you wanted to get as strong as yurimeshi or some other anime character then I see no other possible means then extreme workout regiments.  Martial arts is a good start and I am greatful for my years in martial arts but after awhile a plateau will be reached and martial arts will not suffice anymore.

Thank you for the consideration though.  Maybe I should have clarified that portion further.  I just believe that some animes have attributed to some training techniques i.e. weighted training that can be beneficial.  I mean if world class athletes use them then why shouldn't martial artists and other persons who wish to increase their endurance and therefore strengthen their "cup."  I do agree that some animes based on ki are a little off the wall and very unpractical though but, I guess you never know until someone actual gets close enough to that level to prove it wrong.  I guess it is kind of like seeing the grass on top of the ledge, you can't until you get a little closer.

[Fat_Turkey]

I see we think alike ^_^.

As for martial arts reaching a plateau...I'm not sure if I'll ever hit that level. After I get my blackbelt in Kyokushin I will move on to either another style of Karate, Tae Kwon Do, or my lifelong dream, Kung Fu and then Nei Kung.

As for "extreme work out regimes..." I'm not so sure. I have a friend who just worked himself up to be able to do 200 situps. Now his abs are so strong he doesn't even get remotely winded when I punch him in the solar plexus, with the force that would easily wind me when I flexed my abs. Now he does situps with weights, and he just keeps getting stronger.

Weights are incredibly useful and convenient, and most of the old workouts to build your muscles can be worked on in a more focused manner with weights. But that's not to say that you should all discard your old pushups. They still are fundamental basics!!

anyways, I'm getting sidetracked (as usual). Basically, I agree with most of your points, if not all. Keep fighting!

~FT

[Anonymous]

The only problem with the mentioning of your friend is that all anyone else has to do is do the same amount or pushups and situps (or even greater) and then their punches will wind him.  You know the old saying, "on any given day", well, that is what I mean.  If these kids want to become these super powerful warrior types then they would have to go to extremes.  Greater then the extremes of the athletes and other physically astonishing specimens out there.  Otherwise, they will just get their butt kicked.

The whole idea with the extreme training is to see the limits because eventually the extreme training that you start out with will become nothing more then a warm-up i.e. comparing a world-class sprinter to a couch potato.  Thus, the extreme workout would have to be tweaked again to become even more extreme and daring to the outside watcher.  I guess it all has to do with perspective.  That is why I used the extreme workout because to us it would be extreme but after several weeks or months it wouldn't see so extreme anymore.

Unfortunately, Taekwondo did reach a plateau for me when I was only nine and I decided to quit.  I later formulated a new type of martial arts which is much more challenging.  It doesn't focus on fighting routines as much as physical, spiritual, and mental training.  I never liked the routines in Taekwondo because they were never useful because the chances of you going against someone who will follow your motions is low.  I also believe that everyone naturally knows how to defend and attack.  All it takes is a little confidence and the necessary physical training to do what you must to win.  This doesn't mean that everyone has the same potential because there are always much better fighters.

The bottomline is that a person with a highly developed body will always have the advantage when it comes to spirit energy because they are less likely to be sick, (which slows progress, shortens the lifespan, as well as, weakens the spirit or lifeforce) can handle damage much better, and have less energy blockages.

[Fat_Turkey]

Of course somebody who worked out as much as him would be able to waste him! That's the way the body works - it has limits. The mind however, does not. The spirits energy is related to the body, and as we all know, it is integrated on many aspects of our multidimensional selves.

You quit Taekwondo, but you don't seem to have picked up anything else...I find this as a slight block in your path. Meh, just me.

I say the mind is as important as the body, and it is not necessary to go to the extreme ends of either to become an asskicking superhero. Often times I have seen for myself that pushing yourself too hard can yield little reward as you narrow down your focus more and more, and get tired out. Take things at your own pace...it doesn't take _that_ much to become an awesome "warrior" or fighter.

Sure, the world's greatest fighter would get his butt kicked in a race against an olympic sprinter, but he's not too fussed about it. You can never have the full range of abilities out there. If you want to fight well, focus on fighting. If you want to run well, do a bit of running. The only benefit extreme working out will get you is an attempt at mastering all of the skills out there, a rarity for any human being to have.

Warriors and fighters don't have to be like the guys on DBZ.

Damn it, I've lost my train of thought and probably my point, yet again.

Anyways, I'm off

~FT

[Dark_Phoenix]

wow looks like you two should get a romm...lol...{j/k}


well anyways...as i was saying before in my last post...and as you two have been talking back and forth about..is the fact that these so called anime shows give hints , not facts, but hints to as what ki and chi is really about..{hense the phsical training and meditation} and why they do all those feats with thier ki.

i would just like to say that if anyone came up to me years ago before i started my training i would of gotten killed, but now if they came up to me it would be a even match ...because i found a way to use telepathy and finghting as a unit instead of seperate features.....{read your opponents moves so you dodge and so on}

i just thought of something....if you guys could help me out that is....

that i could make up a name for this type of ki training instead of rad and trad....{in my opinion tere the same...ie Trad, rad} so if you guys could help out..i would call us ki trainers the {no ofence if it is already taken} spirit warriors. or something like that....

and we could pass along ways that you acually train to give hints to other people to train them selves....i got a site if you all want to check it out but i will also make another one just for this so if you will check out http://the_observatory.i8.com and check it out ...and i will post in another post my new site and sh** ok..well i'll see ya then.{unless you all just wanna go to the yahoo group i have opn spirit control..your choice}

[Anonymous]

Fat_Turkey, the reason why I suggest extreme workouts is because, yes, you can train regularly and become a good fighter but for most of the people here who are trying to become the best fighters, well, it will take a little more.  That is all I am trying to say.  I never meant anything like moving boulders or sprinting for miles.  I just meant that the training would seem somewhat extreme and that it must be if they want to achieve their goal.

Dark_Phoenix, I call my form of martial arts (which focuses on trad, rad, and physical workout regiments) Khuluk.  Hence, my name.  There is no real reason why I chose it it just seemed to fit my style.

[Fat_Turkey]

Well, following an opponent's moves is what you learn to do through years of training naturally. Sort of like a game of chess, but faster. Predicting an opponent's moves is not just the first step, but reflexes increase. My reflexes have almost doubled. I can catch glasses that tip over before they break, whereas before I wouldn't!! And I'm only 10th kyu!!

Sounds like your martial arts would be very useful Khuli ^_^

As for the workout thing, I still think that extremities aren't necessary...

As for my discoveries about ki, I have found my own reasons why ki blasts don't work. Ki is a high-resonating spirit energy. It deteriorates quite easily outside of the body, and a ki ball can take some focus to maintain for long periods of time, hence why it was originally a meditation technique. A ki blast would simply fall apart. But I have no doubts that filling your hand with ki and firing it through the opponent's spirit when you punch or kick him is very possible, and has been done before.

Well, catch ya later
~FT

[Dark_Phoenix]

have you ever noticed that anime shows are showing some truth to chi pratice.....

{not a rad ki'r or trad ki'r...just a wonderer}

well i have been studying anime ki and trad chi...and i think they are the same to some extent.....

The way the anime people do it is they push their ki into their arms and flex their ki not their arms....

The way we do it is the same way...we put chi into our arms...or legs or wherever we want chi to go to....






They make ki blasts by doing the same as above but making their arms twich and such so it is visible...and it does visible damage....

We do empty force....which like anime shows does the same thing ..only not physically...

But if we take into account what they do in order to make damage visible...we must put a lot of chi into ourselves as the back up force...and shoot it out with our energy flexing itself...and not our bodys....




they train thier bodies pysically in order to prepare themselves for the fight if they have to move around and such.....we do the same...we train and do martial arts to prevent injury and damage to ourselves...if we have to fight...



so if you think that by doing rad ki you are damaging yourself ...you may be ..but have you studyed alot of what was going on in the shows....they give out hints in the shows....about what to do and what not to do if you pick up on it....


ex..in dbz...videl learns to fly.......that is a episodee where gohan tells videl not to strain but to listen to her heart and push her heart beat to her hands.....

thats what some of the masters of chi do...they use thier heart beats as a guide to thier energy levels.....
weak pulse ...equils weak energy level...
strong pulse equils strong and good energy levels....
so i think we should have a discussion about this......{if you have to move this to the proper place or whatnot...go ahead}


cause i think ppl have got it all wrong........rad ki'rs and trad ki'rs...

why cant we have a newki place where rad and trad are put together....??