My friend,its up to you.Raising kundalini,is not easy,and noone knows,what will occur,after you awake your kundalini,until you try it first.There are many things,one should do,to avoid negative symptoms.Knowledge is the key,when working with kundalini.Mind,body,and spirit,has to be very well balanced,in order to succesfully raise kundalini,without any body,or mind damage.
My own personality type prompts me to learn as much about a subject as possible. In addition, i am aware that my own fears can manifest as obstacles, so to have a firm grip on them is essential. And lastly, i don't think God would make this information available to Mankind if She didn't want us to use it. Or at least be aware of it. Some inner part of myself yearns to be MORE than what i am. I feel unaccomplished in life, lost and often bored. No one should ever be bored, there is to much to Know.
You seem to be very new in your exploration. Try to enjoy the journal and learning process before jumping into things too deeply then you will have less to fear.
Good luck
Blissful
yeah, i'm pretty new at all this. Well, in practice anyway, but i've been thinking about weird excrement since i was a weeeeeee little boy. [[:D] I guess that counts as SOME sort of primer...
I've read through the site you mentioned in your initial post.
The best way to prepeare for kundalini is to find out who your are in al aspects and embrace them. Anything you supress and reject will surface during the experience and cause you grief.
Balance of your self and outlook in life is the key to a pleasant and positive experience.
The warnings against kundalini stem from the early notion of spirituality as practised in the societies of the time, Theosophy, Rosicrucian, Thelema, Golden Dawn what have you. The warnings are meant to deter the seeker who's only goal is to gain supremacy and control over others and those who are not sincery in their quest.
Kundalini is primarily a balancing force so the further you are from balance to begin wth the stronger the possible adverse effects are.
It's also a creative booster and gives great insight into the spiritual (and other) question one has been pondering.
Don't get hung up on the negative experiences of others but rather seek your own provitive ad uplifting one. Go easy on yourself and don't hurry.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
thank you jiola, that outlook sort of helps. So feedback from ones imbalance or selfish goals or lack of understanding can really mess you up if and when you start raising your kundalini. Slow and sure is the way. Is this the same thing as raising the energy centers through any meditative process? How is this different from Kabalistic training, with their 10 power centers? I'm sure there is some overlap somewhere.
I read through the site as well, very interesting information. I especially liked the bit that kundalini burns away your earthly desires, thus making you fully pure!
Well anyway, I think getting a grip on kundalini is indeed a long term commitment, and not just a one day trip. Might be better to focus on the developement of the energy body first, and when kundalini comes, embrace it :)
Didn't they say on the site: who thinks to be ready for kundalini, will not experience it? There might be some truth into that.
Then again, I know very little about it yet.
Goodluck.
Yes, i thought the link was very interesting as well. It approaches the topic and process of kundalini as VERY dangerous, and does not pull any punches. If you look through the 76 person case history you will find stories of people who meditate for a year, then KAPOW they suffer incredible pain up their spine and brain, vision and terrors, loneliness and bouts with mental institutions and western medicine that doesn't work because its not a problem known to science. One poor guy kept asking himself Why Why Why did i do this? Again, this comes back to the issue of balance...you are in the process of balancing your mind/body/soul, and the more out of whack you are to start with the greater the change to get you back in order. Furthermore, it seems like you are PHYSICALLY changing your neural network, actually changing on the cellular level to enable new levels of energy. This is evolution of the human race in simplest terms. I suppose thousands of years from now (or hundreds?) if enough people did this practiced it and understood it (like i believe lost civilizations and ET's probably understood) then the human race would be very different.
So, i think i will begin by slowing building up my energy centers, aware of the end process and not trying to rush anything. The goal isn't to be superhuman or BETTER than other people, that's impossible, we are all the Same. I'll try to clear my doubts and fears and know that there is no fear.
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Slow and sure is the way. Is this the same thing as raising the energy centers through any meditative process? How is this different from Kabalistic training, with their 10 power centers? I'm sure there is some overlap somewhere.
I have absolutely no idea how it gets raised and how the kabalistic whatsit compares to the other ways oof energy manipulation. Honestly. I know a bit about most things but for me it all boils down to a variant of zazen/vipassana mixed with a lot of little useful bits and pieces.
The various approaches to the energy system appear to differ on the surface but I think it's more the matter of having a varying number of distinctions to the same thing than it is about there being a radically different energy system.
As for raisiing kundalini, I don't really think it can be raised by it self. Based on the many tales of spontaneous kundalini events by people who have no clue about ernergy work, spirituality or even are religious I think it raises when it raises and anything done to hasten it are of marginal effect.
You can do energy work and meditation all your life and nothing happens while some average Joe goes into psychosis due to an experience he has no idea how to handle and has no working knowledge of how to integrate in his life.
Thus I believe all the meditative/energy, let's call it metaphysical activity, serves to balance and resolve our spiritual conflicts and to clear and deepen our understanding of our true existence. That in turn will make it more likely the K will rise with as little adverse affect as possible. It's smoothing the path and clearing away the undergrowth.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
QUOTE: "If the faculty of intuition is forced to advance in an
artificial way it will, to a corresponding extent, get ahead of the step in evolution that is otherwise normal for the beginnings of intuition. The being thereby gets cosmic glimpses before it has reached the normal step in evolution for receiving intuitive glimpses or personally experienced cosmic knowledge. The moral stability and nervous constitution necessary for being able to receive cosmic glimpses in a normal way has in such a case not been developed in the being. The cosmic glimpses can therefore very easily damage the nerves and mentality of the being."
This is a common reoccuring theme on the posted weblink concerning kundalini. It almost seems like they want to discourage it. Would the beginning parts of this process also enable one to practice/enhance their psychic ability if they wanted to? It seems like ANY spiritual method ones uses to power up their 3rd eye and brow chakra can potentially open you to the spirit world and beyond. Cosmic glimpses...
Reality:quote:
I especially liked the bit that kundalini burns away your earthly desires, thus making you fully pure!
I don't thiink it necessarily makes one pure but it does gove one excellent tools and ability to get closer to that state.
Narfellus:I think a fair analogy would be filling a glass with a garden hose and doing the same with a 5 inch firehose. Or perhaps comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo.
Also the quote refers to "forcing" the development to happen at a pace too fast for thhe individuals overall state of development.
Add to that a lack of knowledge of what the increased intuitive capacity can deliver and the concoction for disaster is ready.
Indeed the beginning parts would help development of the faculties but too often the initial part goes by in an instant and proceeds to overwhelm the practitioner.
2cents & L&L
jouni
I agree, i think most of these energy raising techniques have a common goal, with cultural, societal, and other deviations that might make them seem more different than they are. Different names in different languages and whatnot. Even witches and their magic is a curious channeling of personal energy, focused by desire and intent. It seems to me that "traditional" western religions discouraged any delving into the occult, like Christianity, and i think i know why. One can learn to be loving to your neighbor as oneself, and that All is Love, without having to force your brain into early evolution.
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It seems to me that "traditional" western religions discouraged any delving into the occult, like Christianity, and i think i know why.
The reason, imho, is that if people were to realize that they have a) a direct and personal link to the divine and that b) that divine does not require worship and material things the churches of past withtheir nobility and independent taxation and the resulting influence in society would be gone overnight.
Most of what todays religions are was forged in a time when the church controlled society and had a deep interest in keeping it that way.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
yeah, the firehose and the glass is a good analogy. I think it is wonderful in our day and Age, thanks to the Internet mainly, that our group consciousness gets to share and re-explore lost knowledge. This is all old news, it's just that i was always taught it was hocus pocus or the Devil's Work. It's neither. It's actually the only thing that is REAL.
Narfellus thanks for the link - I keep meaning to get Gopi Krishna's book on his chaotic kundalini experience.
You know, if you believe that over time the inhabitants of this planet will gradually evolve spiritually, one day we will all come face to face with the effects of kundalini arousal. Most people don't even believe it exists! I think this is gonna be fun.
Have fun Bloke, just watch yourself! Take it slooooow. And you're right, our planet is moving toward a spiritual evolution that it might never have seen before. Not enough people know about it yet. They think bombs and tanks and wars and oil and money will solve problems and provide abundance for the people. HAH! See how well it works?
http://www.kundaliniyoga.org/classes.html
Online course in kundalini yoga - I read the first couple of lessons, interesting because it addresses the issue of problems caused by spontaneous kundalini awakening, and mentions the transition to the Aquarian age which it says will start in 2012 and lots of other groovy stuff.
Fav quote so far:
When the techniques used are primarily mental and do not include the physical preparation and training, the body cannot handle the energy.
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Originally posted by narfellus
Have fun Bloke, just watch yourself! Take it slooooow. And you're right, our planet is moving toward a spiritual evolution that it might never have seen before. Not enough people know about it yet. They think bombs and tanks and wars and oil and money will solve problems and provide abundance for the people. HAH! See how well it works?
Like Shaft would say. You're damn right!
People who think like that, have been deluded succesfully by those who try to control them. I too think the solution lies in a big spiritual shift.
(me gonna take a better look at kundalini now)
As Jiilola said, you must be aware of BOTH negative and positive traits in yourself. So you should probably inspect more the negatives as they tend to be shuffled away by most.
One night I went through 4-5 different traumas in 2 hours. Felt
the suppressed emotions and had to go through them. I was pushed
pretty far because it was emotionally really intense.
So here if I would have been a person fearing the negative aspects in myself and neglating them I would have made matters MUCH worse.
They would probably have come again in the form of demons or something worse [;)]
hey bloke, thanks for the link. I have now officially joined the online Kundalini Yoga class for free (if they charged i wouldn't have looked twice). Here's MY favorite quite, and one that specifically addresses the concerns i had originally and puts my mind at ease:
Unconsciousness is Dangerous
Periodically we get asked if the practice of Kundalini yoga is dangerous. First, many of the people who advance this opinion are not talking about KY as taught by Yogi Bhajan. When you hear an opinion about KY investigate if the person has actually practiced KY as taught by Yogi Bhajan. They often have not and are talking about spontaneous Kundalini awakenings of someone who has never practiced KY. Second, spreading fear and negativity perpetuates the current paradigm and system.
Personally, I have learned not to engage in conversations trying to prove ideas based on different opinions with the goal of convincing or proving an idea right or wrong. Everyone has their own reality and experiences, which are true for them. Some also have opinions not based on experience. I avoid this territory. I was in academia for decades and intellectual conversations based on speculation hurt my head.
There is no denying that people have had spontaneous kundalini awakenings with severe side effects. Also some people have raised their kundalini through meditation and visualization. When the techniques used are primarily mental and do not include the physical preparation and training, the body cannot handle the energy. In both cases the body is not prepared to receive the high levels of energy. It makes sense that if your body is wired for 100 volts and you receive 1000 or 10,000 volts, there could be negative reactions. We practice Kundalini yoga to avoid these situations.
Kundalini yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan is the yoga of consciousness. We systematically train our mind and attune our body to hold higher frequencies of energy associated with Kundalini and consciousness energy. People in the past who have not strengthened their nervous system or prepared their bodies and psyches to hold these vibrations have had problems. The evolution of consciousness is a universal reality. It is certainly wiser to prepare oneself for awakening than to live in denial and try to remain asleep.
The most dangerous thing in this world is to live unconsciously. The state of the world is a stark testimony to this fact, as is the condition of the lives of most human beings. When we are not conscious, we are not only ruled by our subconscious programming, we are a puppet of the global unconscious. Now that is scary!! We all have examples in our lives where we have created turmoil and conflict without consciously choosing to do so. Who wouldn't choose prosperity, loving relationships, vibrant health, joyful living and rewarding work? Then why are so many people suffering from poverty, painful relationships, depression, illness and unrewarding work? Why do we create so many problems and then have to spend so much time and energy dealing with them? The answer is lack of consciousness, which links us to the cycle of karma and struggle.
There is only one way out. Wake up and stay awake! And we have to do this for ourselves. We are most fortunate to have the gift of Kundalini yoga to help us in this process. This doesn't mean we will automatically live in utopia. But as Yogi Bhajan used to tell us, "I didn't tell you everything would be perfect. I said you will be able to make it through to victory."
Great Link! Great Quote!
Thanks Narfellus and SomeBloke! [8D]
My own experience with this is that I knew nothing about it and caused a raising. I had a very difficult time sleeping after the raising and stopped meditation which is what caused it to begin with. It felt like I was having panic attacks during the day and felt as if I was slipping OBE when I closed my eyes. At night lying in bed I would sometimes have to get up and go for a ride in my car. I did not have anywhere to turn as I did not what it was. I would also hear church bells sometimes in my right ear. I finially had several panic attacks and went to the hospital with a heart rate 145 beats a minute. This could have had the potential to kill someone with a weak heart. I however run 6 miles a day. I think it probally does alter nural networks. It subsided over time. Anyone who attempts to raise energy in this manner I strongly sugest doing so slowing and refraining from alchol or drugs of any type.
Thank you BOATS, good points. The key i believe (and i haven't started kundalini yet) is knowing WHAT you are doing to your body, and yes, refrain from drugs and alcohol (which might be hard because i like alcohol dammit). But the payoff is worth it and much better than a stupid buzz. Cheaper too. [:)]
The way it was explained to me:
It can be very harmful if you go too fast and too heavily. You can't just charge in there like a bull and yell, "Get moving, snake!" You can't approach it like that even a little bit. Forcing it is a bad, bad idea and can cause all the problems you hear about and worse.
If you go very gently and gradually, understanding that it can take years upon years, and don't greedily lust after results, then you shouldn't worry. That doesn't mean it will be easy or non-stressful, or that you shouldn't be aware and very careful, but you should be able to deal with the complications that arise.
I practice my meditations and the NEW procedures and sometimes I feel little twitches of what I believe are kundalini. I try not to get too worked up and trust that when I am ready, it will wake up fully. For now, I take these little signs as progress and I don't fear them.
Hehe I tried yelling at the Red Dragon to rush,
it just 'laughed' at me and gave me the correct emotional
state to ask it again.
The feeling I got was that I should prepare myself for atleast
3 days and then do it again [:D]
I am currently reading Gopi Krishna's autobiography - 'Living With Kundalini'
I'm not far into it, but I'd already say it was a 'must read'.
One reviewer says:
"Gopi Krishna's description of the changes - psychological, physical, perceptual and biochemical - which can happen to a person who is in the process of an accelerated spiritual emergence process was the first definitive work written for the Western world about kundalini awakening. This new book should be a great comfort to those trying to comprehend the process."
- Emma Bragdon
Sorry about the length
I have premature kundalini awakening but I am through the worse stages. I searched the Internet for websites that might be able to help me http://www.kundaliniyoga.org/classes.html was one of the first websites I went to and I joined their yahoo group. After awhile of studying their messages and teachings, I decided to try and help someone who asked about astral projection. At this time in life I was rather venerable, ripe for manipulation but I kept my wits about me.
If anyone knows about astral projection, how can one be sure to stay with the
body?
The following is another message that was posted
I want to awaken my charkras to progress in my astral projection
practices, I hope I can learn that in this room, by doing Kundalini
Yoga, hello everyone
These questions where allowed on the message board
I answered the questions, as somewhat as follows, below is the second message this is word for word because they blocked my first message, which I no longer have.
My message as follows
You are connected with the body via your silver cord also when you
project you create a copy of mind so you have one mind that is still
in your body and a seccond mind that is in your projected double.
This is known as the mind split effect so you are protected from
negitive entitys. My last message about astral projection was
Blocked because it wasnt a question about Kundalanin. im sorry if I
can help anyone then I'll help anyone with any question that I
believe I can answer. I believe one cannot be true and know the
Truth unless one searches multiple paths and finding how all paths
Lead to the same truth.
>
> Love and Light to all
> Brad aka Birdman
This is how they responded
Brad,
Now you are questioning the way we run this list and you want me to
approve. I think not. As I told you the last time we are about
Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan. We are not a group
discussing various paths. I would have approved your brief comments
on Astral Projection but you decided to preach. Maybe you should
start your own list if you feel we are so closed minded.
Mehtab Singh
Was that preaching? You decide they can talk the talk but can they walk the walk?
In my humble opinion they are frauds. I think that they blocked my message because I mentioned other paths and that I now know that all paths lead to the same truth. I think that they where worried they may lose followers because it would have caused individual thinking on behalf of their readers. I am writing a book on the experiences that i whent trough and the realisations that i have encountered. I know old truths that will emerge again as new truths that will change the world. Physics will be fliped on its head. Big words that i will not at this time elaborate on.
A few of their quotes
" 'God' also has so many meanings and is a very misunderstood concept. A Spiritual path is about experiencing this reality concept."
" Yoga Bhajan always tells us that our biggest problem is that we think of god is outside ourselves. The purpose of a spiritual practice is to experience the infinite within our own being and to connect our individual psyche with the universal psyche. (One definition of god)"
"The majority of the world is nothing but show business. You put on a show. And spirituality is nothing but a show. No human believes that they are a fact of life, a fact of existence, that they are real; that they are born in the image of God. The most magnificent Allah, most infinite God Jehovah, most pure, wise Lord Buddha, whatever you want to call your God, has created you in His own image and this is it. So God in the New Age is called He-She-It; He, She, and It. And if you don't understand the totality of God as He, She, and It, then you are excrement."
The words of the spiritually enlightened Yoga Bhajan.
If they where true to their teachings they would have approved my post.
The Birdman
In pranic healing, it is preferrable to use the most subtle energy possible in order to prevent violent reactions. It strikes me that the "fire" being channeled is not refined and that, if people were ready to
recieve it, there would be no emotional problems to amplify.
Also, if when this is done properly, this results in the spiritualization of the physical body, wouldn't it be dangerous to use methods from someone who has not evidenced this?
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Originally posted by BirdManKalki
The words of the spiritually enlightened Yoga Bhajan.
If they where true to their teachings they would have approved my post.
I feel that a LOT of those wannabe 'spiritual' idiots seem like
that. If they would be true to themselves they would have sensed
your K being awaken and that being the real reason behind your post.
When I read your post I remembered the feeling from last summer when
I did the same thing. I also had somekind of spontanous awakening.
ticked alot of people off [:D] Especially the secret goverment (if
there even is one)
I have several new theories on Kundalini yoga i want to share. First of all, we know that the practice is VERY old, many thousand and thousands of years. In the past, the veil of human consciousness has thinned and thickened for various reasons. In the past it could take a yogi his entire life to reach enlightenment, if ever. Over the centuries, through repeated reincarnations and the gradual spiritual evolution of the human race, we have in part earned a higher degree of spiritual awakening.
I think in part that this means it is somewhat easier to achieve enlightment than it used to be, or at least doesn't take as long. Ka energy meridian stimulation sounds very similar to awakening the kundalini, and there are many books about that sort of christ consciousness.
I figure it is worth investgating everything though and figuring out what works best for the individual. Personally, i dont' want to do yoga 2 or 3 hours a day, but some people do. I think our paths can take us to the same destination, just at different speeds.
I think in part that this means it is somewhat easier to achieve enlightment than it used to be, or at least doesn't take as long
According to the theory of 'yugas' we have recently entered Dwapara yuga from Kali yuga in the equinoctial cycle, so yes people who incarnate here generally have less far to travel than people a few hundred years ago. And thousands of years into the future in Satya yuga, people who will incarnate will have an innate high degree of enlightenment.
Check out the quote at:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12891
I don't think it's a good idea to anticipate enlightment, or wonder how long it's gonna take you...
It's not exactly a mechanical process, or is it?
Reality[:D]
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Originally posted by Reality
I don't think it's a good idea to anticipate enlightment, or wonder how long it's gonna take you...
It's not exactly a mechanical process, or is it?
Reality[:D]
HEHE, straight to the point. No extra #"!%"# tourist attractions
added [:D] Keep it going! [8D]
I don't think it's a good idea to anticipate enlightment, or wonder how long it's gonna take you...
A fortnight on Tuesday's good for me! [:)]
I know what you mean, but the idea is that if say Earth is in Satya yuga 10,000 years from now, the beings that incarnate here would generally be much more spiritually advanced than in our current age. For us, if at that time we didn't fit the bill we would incarnate somewhere else more appropriate to our level of development. The actual cycles are supposedly of fixed durations, so yes they are mechanical in that sense. Of course, there's no proof of this - but it's what the ancient rishis of India wrote.
I've been researching some of the differences between shamanistic lore and kundalini, and i am rather SCARED by the implications of both.
http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni.html
The link above is fairly long and intricate, but it seems to say for the most part that raising the Fire Serpent has a good chance of driving you insane or dead or lost in an etherealm. It even mentions that bodily eruption is possible (which sounds eerily like the unproven "spontaneous combustion."
I, like many persons on these boards, am very interested in the esoteric secrets of our world, but the paths seem riddled with such large obstacles i wonder if the effort if worth it. Psychosis, hallucinations, mental disorder, visions, and other irreprable brain damage can be a likely side effect of your brain channeling more energy that it is ready to handle.
I know there are experienced shamans and kundalists who can shed more light on this, but my questions seem to lie more with SHOULD i follow this route and the risks involved? How does one know if it is right for them? How do you know your will and strength are strong enough to endure the tests without losing everything until you try?
What is the price of secret knowledge? Sheez, no wonder the Easterners kept this so wrapped up...