Drugs and Energy Cultivation

[A_Sword_Of_Truth]

As was shown to me by the "Angelic Hosts of Light" and Saint Germain... Marijuana can lead to the "death of the soul".

For all my brothers & sisters... I have also "been there, done that"!

The "Negs" will do everything in their power to 'con'-vince you that it is so silly that marijuana could harm your soul, etc.

Please 'commune' with GOD... for He will guide you if your search is 'true'.
And when 'the student is ready, the teacher will appear'.

And if you do choose to use these substances that is still your choice, for GOD has given us "free will"!

Your Brother & Friend.

[PeacefulWarrior]

I recently read something by someone who said that many "new age" thinkers are often drug users.  I think that is definelty not true...and it's good to hear people here who shun drugs.  I am a former drug user, and while I was never strung out or addicted to anything like cocain or herion, I do admit to having smoked marijuana for a period of years and I can testify to it's negative effects.  I too now use my knowledge of things spiritual and my desire to do what is right and increase my knowledge as a way of staying away from these negative things.  I think it's interesting how many curious individuals look to drugs to escape "reality" and then end up finding that reality isn't really reality but that there is an unseen world and one doesn't need any drug to tap into it.  In other words (because I think what I just wrote doesn't make a lot of sense) some people turn to drugs initially because they feel the need to seek truth but they don't know where to turn, and these truth seekers many times find truth and then give up the substances, many of which do indeed open the eyes, like the forbidden truth, but they are indeed negative...

Anyway, I hope what I have written makes some sense.  THe bottom line is that yes, drugs (including marijuana) have very negative effects on the both the body and spirit.

fides quaerens intellectum

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I have heard both sides of this. I am not sure if drugs actually do hurt your "soul" or energy directly. It is really not important for what I am about to say. You can do anything you want without the drugs. You can project, meditate, cultivate energy, etc without drugs. All you need is your mind and a little practice. It may take time but you CAN do it without drugs. So if you can do it without drugs why use them? Especially if the drug is illegal you can get in legal trouble. I am sure that drugs can hurt your physical body if abused. So if you can do all that you want without drugs why use them and take the chance of hurting your self or your legal record? You will feel a lot more confident about yourself when you do this by yourself with no aids.

[rodentmouse]

i find when i smoke marijauna,  i can  activate my chakras, and  raise energy a lot more easly, and the surges are more intenese, BUT..... because getting high acts as a shortcut to trance and OBE sensations. you can become reliant on it to attempt OBE because its so much easier to do that it is when sober,   i usually think when practising NEW when sober that "damnit, if i was high right now, i would already be in the sleep/awake state" its better to  practise OBE/NEW  when sober because its all natural and there is no distinction between the power of mind and the effects of a drug. you see?

[ninthplanet]

I think it is a tough reality to face, but I really knew the answer all along.  I just needed to hear some replies from the many people I trust here at the forum, and I thank all of you for your input.  It'll be hard staying away, but I am very confident that it is all for the very best.

[Grenade01]

I agree with rodentmouse

For me..its nice once in a while
doesnt seem to do any harm
but.......... of course frequent use of any drug is bound to be bad for your mind and probably your spirit =(
I really honestly dont believe that using marijuana on rare occasions can cause any problems.... I also dont think anything ground breaking will happen..but it always makes things more interesting and seems to temporarily cause the chakras to work real hard (although It seems like they need recovering the next day)
so yeah..i think theres both goods and bads.... but it all equals out and its neat to try

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[observer]

It would be interesting to see how people would have responded to the original post in this topic, if the substance in question had been aspirin and the issue would have been whether it is better to deal with a headache by using "natural" means (read toughing it out) rather than "cheating" by using aspirin.  After all, you would then be dependent on aspirin.  For whatever reason, (social programming is a good candidate), marijuana gets a bad rap.  I think that any substance we ingest, if done so in excess, could result in unintended, and possibly dire side effects.  In fact, if you were to drink over 3 litres of water in a very compressed timeframe, you would probably die of hyponatremia.   In other words, too much of a good thing is a bad thing.  

I would be lying to you if I said that marijuana is incapable of serving a therapeutic purpose with regard to energy cultivation and utilization.  I have WITH GREAT EASE literally performed/witnessed what could only be called miracles while under its influence.  I have, WITH AND WITHOUT GREAT EFFORT, performed/witnessed such things while not under the influence as well.

In my own existence, I use it as a catalyst when I go through cycles where it is quite difficult to raise energy, or in a perceived emergency situation where results are instantly required.  The history of our species cites many examples of using what we today call controlled substances to enhance spiritual pursuits.  Again, I would recommend moderation if this becomes your choice.  However, I don't know who is really qualified to give an answer to this question that would apply to everybody.  After all, not everyone reacts the same way to things.  

- observer

[bitsmart]

[Acknowledges good points that were made by all in the thread.]

I myself am an addict, 5 months sober. I started my energy work and other spiritual practices after I started using drugs, and I still have not had a conscious exit, though meditating with the aid of marijuana was a blast.

Now after this much sobriety, I feel physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually much better, and I'm now achieving the same levels without marijuana that I used to with. But still no conscious exit. I feel this is because I'm still repairing damage I did, and not just with marijuana -- I was using some pretty nasty stuff.

There are two sides to this debate, as with many, and the information is put out there well enough to let people decide for themselves. I personally am trying to move away from all intoxicants, including nicotine, caffiene, and food-related chemicals, whether they bacteria in meat/dairy or preservatives. I'm not imposing a strict diet by any means, and it's very hard to put down coffee and cigarettes this early in recovery.

The point is, that you have to take care of your physical vehicle, and everyone knows what's best for them in the long run, if they're intelligent/responsible/moderate about it and they do their RESEARCH. Mind-altering substances have been used by shamans for ages, because they all followed these basic rules. Whether it was unhealthy for them is of no concern to us in this day and age, because it all comes down to the individual's motivation and the choices made based on that.

I encourage people to do some research on unhealthy habits, not just drug use, and to make some educated decisions, but once again, I leave it up to you without preaching or tell you what to do.

Peace

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[ninthplanet]

I must say, I am overjoyed at the responses I got from my topic.  I was almost certain that everyone on this forum would condemn the use of drugs, however that is not the case... let me take the time again to thank all the members here for choosing the path they have, the path  that has led them here today.  I believe everyone benefits from each other... a lesson from which society should observe more closely.

But enough of that, and please let me tell a brief story of why I posted such a topic.

Awhile back, my brother and I started smoking marijuana just for something to do.  Unexpectedly, it brought him and I much closer together.  While high, we would converse about society and the evils that plagued it.  From there, we would discuss everything from paranormal phenomena to fear patterns among individuals.  Our conversations are what led us into the New Age realm, and has opened us up to things 98% of the population would laugh at.  We feel extremely fortunate for where we are today, our beliefs similar to those on this exact forum.  We believe that man has corrupted organized religion and has led everyone astray from the TRUTH.  And that my friends is what me, my brother, and many of us on this forum are searching for, in one way or another.
So you see, the same drug that brought us in, is now in question because of its supposed effects on the human energy system.  I know that I possess free will and that I choose my destiny, but right now I am debating the fact of  using marijuana maybe once or twice a month while engaging in many cardiovascular excercises and eating much healthier than before, or to just cut out the smoking all together and strive to stay fit.  I am in such a personnal conflict, because there are certain times when I just want to smoke, and live according to the phrase "enjoy life to its fullest".  But then if I smoke on these rare occasions, while exercising and eating healthy, will I fail to  achieve my true potential  in the metaphysical world.  

Since I am a strong believer that the universe will offer signs that aid us in this perilous journey we know as life, I can only continue on, in hopes my signs will come.

Thank you all,
 ninthplanet

P.S. OBSERVER I am curious to read of your miracles while on marijuana and to encourage some depth to your beliefs.  I alsoI wanted to say I enjoyed your post.

[Tom]

Some of the books I have read on seeing auras go into detail on the influences of drugs on the aura. It looked really bad. I wouldn't want to be identified on sight as a drug user. It is a good thing that most people can't see auras as well as the average author of books on how to see auras. My last caffeine pill was about two and a half weeks ago. I still drink coffee and soda, though.

[bitsmart]

Another tidbit to think about: If drugs facilitated a change (they do that sometimes), then look at it like a key that unlocks a door. You don't keep turning the key if they door is unlocked, you just turn the knob.

A common saying among addicts who are just sobering up is "Aww, now I can never have any fun." It's been hard, but I'm learning how to enjoy life to the fullest without drugs. Looking for natural highs. Sure, it's not as easy and fast as chemicals, but I can do it, and as time goes on I reach higher and higher levels. I had some amazing experiences on drugs; deep philosophical conversations, life-changing experiences and so on. But I was put in a position where I had to learn to produce those kinds of experiences naturally, and as more time goes on, I get better at it and prefer it to the 'artificial way.' Just more stuff I thought might add to this thread...

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[ninthplanet]

I am relatively new to the wide world of energy cultivation and the endless possibilities that it holds.  Upon entering and delving  deeper into the basics I have understood that drugs, specifically marijuana, can have quite a negative effect on the user, as far as energy cultivating is concerned.  Please anyone, correct me if I am wrong, but is it not true that using these drugs can harm one's energy structure, regardless of what many users claim.  I am using my research and knowledge of metaphysics to stay off marijuana, a substance which I used for a period of appoximately 2 years.  

Any detailed input on how drugs affect one's energy fields is very welcomed and future thanks to anyone who has taken the time to reply.

"Get busy living, or get busy dieing"

-ninthplanet