I know this sounds a bit far fetched, but if some one who practiced energy work for a very long time (probly 100's of years) could they learn how to make visible ki balls that could actually inflict alot of physical damage? Also, could people possibly learn how to make incarnations of themselves (like on dragonball z when piccolo splits into 3 copies of himself, or when Tien splits into 4 people).
The reason I wonder is because a character of DB/Z has interested me. It is Tien. He is energy developed like levitating, meditating and his third eye is opened which are things some people claim to be able to do in real life. So could someone learn some of his other mind attacks if they tried and they had hundreds of years to work on it? (anything he stares at through his hands will blow up using his mind, seperate into 4 incarnations of himself, sprout 2 extra arms on his back somehow, even though he is supposed to be a regular human, except with a very developed mind)
I realize no one can do most of these things in real life, I just want people to think about the possibilities of these things actually being developed, if it were possible to be that trained in your mind and in energy.
Fair warning: Usually posts rooted in knowledge obtained from cartoons - specifically anime - receive very little positive feedback.
As for your question, I would assume that given enough time a human could possibly reach such a level of skill, though energy-to-matter conversions require knowledge of higher-level physics that I don't understand, and while I said that I could conceivably understand how it would be possible, you must understand that it would be completely impossible when one considers the life-span of a human being.
Just my opinion, as always.
-Matt
Quote from: NickJWI know this sounds a bit far fetched, but if some one who practiced energy work for a very long time (probly 100's of years) could they learn how to make visible ki balls that could actually inflict alot of physical damage? Also, could people possibly learn how to make incarnations of themselves (like on dragonball z when piccolo splits into 3 copies of himself, or when Tien splits into 4 people).
The reason I wonder is because a character of DB/Z has interested me. It is Tien. He is energy developed like levitating, meditating and his third eye is opened which are things some people claim to be able to do in real life. So could someone learn some of his other mind attacks if they tried and they had hundreds of years to work on it? (anything he stares at through his hands will blow up using his mind, seperate into 4 incarnations of himself, sprout 2 extra arms on his back somehow, even though he is supposed to be a regular human, except with a very developed mind)
I realize no one can do most of these things in real life, I just want people to think about the possibilities of these things actually being developed, if it were possible to be that trained in your mind and in energy.
I don't believe in impossible. So yes, everything you mentioned, even though it comes from a cartoon, I believe is very possible. You might find a book called
Autobiography of a Yogi to be of great interest.
I don't think it takes 100's of years at all. It just takes a serious commitment to self improvement.
I don't believe that the universe yields up her greater mysteries and powers to those who merely wish for them. And they aren't given to those who could not be trusted to refrain from misusing them. There are higher powers and abilities than even cartoon characters have which are given to people here on earth. But they are not for fun or ego stroking; they are bequethed to those who earn them via service to life and by proving themselves harmless.
If this topic really does excite you, then do as Nostic says, don't expect much from cartoons--read some serious books. I've personally read Autobiography of a Yogi at least 6 times. Some other books that you might find useful are Brother of the Third Degree and A Dweller on Two Planets, both occult classics and very compelling reading.
I can also highly recommend anything from Theosophy written by C.W. Leadbeater--especially The Chakras, The Masters and the Path and Man: Whence, How & Whither.
I think it would be possible with alot of practice/dicipline
hey nickjw, i think you would really enjoy reading about ku yu cheong, lam sai wing, and wong fei hung. they are real people just like you and me that have gained seemingly supernatural abilities
through their special training. I do say however don't try to do anything they are doing with out
finding a certified teacherof their arts and training personaly with him/her.
what are these books about, I just want to know how they relate to my question.
Quote from: NickJWwhat are these books about, I just want to know how they relate to my question.
These books can be found for a few dollars at used book stores anywhere.
They relate directly to how real people gain powers such as your describe (as opposed to cartoon fantasies).
If it's too much of a bother to you to find and read a few of these books, then you don't have nearly enough ambition to actually get anywhere.
I'll have you know, I've read lots of books in my lifetime. I'm not sure why you think I am unambitious because I won't read a book that I have no idea what is about. I didn't insult the book in anyway, I just wanted to know what it was about, to see if it really interests me, thats all.
This side of energydevelopment is totaly possibe, as boydster said "It just takes a serious commitment to self improvement". Sadly there is so much bad information around this, but a good indication is when the site or what ever is refering to much to dragonball or a similar cartoon/anime it is fake
You're a pretty crappy DBZ fan. Tien hasn't opened his Third Eye. He is a Triclops, a three-eyed mutation of humanity, the third eye is real and functions just like any of our eyes.
His powers come from training in the crane style, just like his little pal Chaozu.
Watch the original dragonball some day, you'll get some insight into a lot of the now-forgotten characters who have been overlooked in favour of hairy monkey men with big hair and no eyebrows.
DBZ isn't reality. Master the basics first, if you want to do a bunch of stuff like make copies of yourself you have to admit it would be very advanced. Look into immortality first, otherwise your surmising is worthless.
This topic deserves some merit. I experienced my first AP by acting like a DBZ character in a lucid dream (I wanted to see what it would be like if I "raised my power level" and I ended up back in my bed looking out of closed eyelids).
However, I can't fathom the kind of social alienation one might have to go through in order to clear one's mind of doubt. Being a DBZ character doesn't really fit well with social life.
To illustrate, imagine taking off from the ground and flying above the streets the way DBZ characters do. What would it be like for people to see you? What kind of public reaction would there be? You would no longer be you. You would be, "the guy who flies." No one would feel on equal footing with you, so you probably wouldn't have any friends to speak of. The FAA or local government would impose restrictions on your flight, the same way they do for airplanes and other flying objects. While flying over people's houses, frightened and paranoid people would want you put in jail for "spying" on them. You would be one of the greatest outcasts to have ever lived.
Even if no one ever saw you, the circumstances would be similar. Do you know how barren and lonely the sky is? And how cold and windy it is? Do you know how loud the sound of air is when it passes you at more than 35 mph? You would probably go deaf from your ears popping at the rapid pressure differences. No one would understand you. You would be so alone.
Think carefully before being superhuman in a human world. Are you ready to accept the consequences?
Quote from: TelosThis topic deserves some merit. I experienced my first AP by acting like a DBZ character in a lucid dream (I wanted to see what it would be like if I "raised my power level" and I ended up back in my bed looking out of closed eyelids).
However, I can't fathom the kind of social alienation one might have to go through in order to clear one's mind of doubt. Being a DBZ character doesn't really fit well with social life.
To illustrate, imagine taking off from the ground and flying above the streets the way DBZ characters do. What would it be like for people to see you? What kind of public reaction would there be? You would no longer be you. You would be, "the guy who flies." No one would feel on equal footing with you, so you probably wouldn't have any friends to speak of. The FAA or local government would impose restrictions on your flight, the same way they do for airplanes and other flying objects. While flying over people's houses, frightened and paranoid people would want you put in jail for "spying" on them. You would be one of the greatest outcasts to have ever lived.
Even if no one ever saw you, the circumstances would be similar. Do you know how barren and lonely the sky is? And how cold and windy it is? Do you know how loud the sound of air is when it passes you at more than 35 mph? You would probably go deaf from your ears popping at the rapid pressure differences. No one would understand you. You would be so alone.
Think carefully before being superhuman in a human world. Are you ready to accept the consequences?
LOL, you think too much Telos. I say, just get your a** up in the air and enjoy the flight. :wink:
Is there really anything all that extreme about any of the abilities in this thread? Mostly it is a matter of finding ways to do the things anyone can do in a lucid dream or while astral projecting. The difference is that we are now talking about doing them where other people can see and be amazed.
Quote from: NosticLOL, you think too much Telos. I say, just get your a** up in the air and enjoy the flight. :wink:
But can't that be done just as easily (if not better) in a lucid dream? At least there no one will attempt to pass laws on you.
Quote from: TelosQuote from: NosticLOL, you think too much Telos. I say, just get your a** up in the air and enjoy the flight. :wink:
But can't that be done just as easily (if not better) in a lucid dream? At least there no one will attempt to pass laws on you.
LOL, if I've got the ability to make my physical body fly, I'll take my chances. Everyone else can go to h***. I'm flyin' and I don't care who's got a problem with it. :)
Honestly, I'd have fun messin around with people. I'd wear a mask of course. Nobody has to know who you are.
QuoteI'd wear a mask of course. Nobody has to know who you are.
But they would see where you land!
Hmm.. I suppose it would be alright if you also had the power to make yourself invisible. ;)
bahh.. if i could AP i'd make myself have super powers and lotsa weapons.. hahaha
Telos, of course it's useful in dreams, I'm referring to reality. I use video game cheat codes in dreams to give myself god powers, it totally rules over DBZ charging which only as powerful as you feel it can be, which is generally very little from lack of confidence. Cheat codes give you basic abilities which you suddenly have, I love it.
Like degresslessness mode, it just owns.
I know, Tyciol, I meant that implementing it in dreams caused an effect in reality, like a third eye experience.
That's really cool about cheat codes, though. I never thought of doing that! There's so much from video games I haven't tried yet... what am I thinking by not doing that kind of stuff? That sounds fun as hell.
It's easier to do it from computer games because they're letters, often words. Console games are harder because it's a bunch of weird buttons you can't remember. Especially playstation, how the heck do you remember to shout out and visualize a red triangle and a purple square? Damn PS2...
Anyway I only did the Doom 2 thing once, so for all I know it doesn't work, I just like to think it does. I should have rememberd it when the spider and the old woman were trying to eat/absorb me.
Quote from: TyciolYou're a pretty crappy DBZ fan. Tien hasn't opened his Third Eye. He is a Triclops, a three-eyed mutation of humanity, the third eye is real and functions just like any of our eyes.
His powers come from training in the crane style, just like his little pal Chaozu.
Watch the original dragonball some day, you'll get some insight into a lot of the now-forgotten characters who have been overlooked in favour of hairy monkey men with big hair and no eyebrows.
DBZ isn't reality. Master the basics first, if you want to do a bunch of stuff like make copies of yourself you have to admit it would be very advanced. Look into immortality first, otherwise your surmising is worthless.
Perhaps you are the crappy DBZ fan. Tien wasn't born with his eye, he is a regular human. Not to menntion, that I would only know that Tien could turn into 4 people if I watched the oringinal Dragonball. In the Piccolo Junoir Saga, while fighting Goku at the tournament, Tien performs his 12 Eyes attack, which is where he transforms into 4 different copies. Anyway, if you have noticed in Dragonball, he is often seen meditating and all his attacks are of the mind. He trained his mind so much and meditated to the point where his third eye actually became visible. The energy from the Chakra actually created an extra part.
Also, if his third eye is just a regular eye, how come he can see he is the only one in the Piccolo Junoir saga, to see auras. He specifically says "His aura is amazing, I can see it with my Third Eye" while watching Piccolo Jr. fight Krillin. Also if it was a regular eye, why wouldn't he close it while meditating, he keeps it open.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before you call me a crappy DBZ fan.
Anyways, I don't even want to know how to do that, I was just wondering if it would be possible. And like you said, I think you would have to pretty much be immortal, to learn techniques like that.
He's using the multi-form technique, piccolo has that too.
Okay, I'll admit that his third eye may have some powers. I don't remember seeing him without it though... if you have that I'll admit that he isn't a Triclops. I was basing this on the fact that in the DBZ RPG there is a race called Triclops and they say he is an example of one :) Got me there.
One question though: why do Chao Zu and his master not have a third eye? They all train the same way. In fact, Chao Zu is even more internal than him, he should have a third eye.
well actually chousu is only more developed with him in his psychic powers, but Tien also has telepathy too. I would think it would be because Tien meditates more than Chousu, Chousu just usually watches him in amazement. Perhaps, Master Crane and Chousu just didn't work specifically on one Chakra alot and Tien does, not really sure but Tien can basically do everything Chousu can except the psychic powers.
Not really sure why Tien is so much more developed, all I know is that his third eye is supposed to be his Third Eye Chakra.
Well okay then... but Tien is also way more muscular... so he must spend a lot more time fighting and working out than Chaozu... maybe Chaozu's third chakra is just as developed but he chooses not to manifest it?
lol this is turning into a DB/Z forum. :)
All I can say is that Tien and Chuosu are both very developed, also Piccolo who can do pretty much everything Tien can do, plus he is stronger and is seen meditating alot in DBZ.
I guess Goku after training at Kami's palace in DB most likely developed spiritual powers too, after all Mr. Popo tried to make him meditate, but the show only shows a few episodes of his training where he thinks meditation is boring, but at the tournament it shows that it payed off afterall.
I wish DBZ would focus on charcters like Tien and Chousu more, because I find many of the minor characters way cooler than the Saiyans.
Quote from: NickJWI know this sounds a bit far fetched, but if some one who practiced energy work for a very long time (probly 100's of years) could they learn how to make visible ki balls that could actually inflict alot of physical damage? Also, could people possibly learn how to make incarnations of themselves (like on dragonball z when piccolo splits into 3 copies of himself, or when Tien splits into 4 people).
Everything is possible, but some powers will support end enhance you psychic evolution, so other will turn into self destructive tendencies. Why would somebody split his being into many aspects?
The purpose of our growth is to realize the unity.
Of, course, unity in multiplicity :wink: , by why should one desire to have more than one head...? :?
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There was a fairly long series here in the UK called "Mind, Body and Kick-butt Moves".
The host was a martial artist himself and visited many places in Asian to learn about their martial arts.
Lots of them involved energy work - one guy could shoot negative bolts of energy into you, and demonstrated it on the host who yelled out in pain!
There were lots of examples of this kind of thing, so yes I guess it is possible.
If a person trains hard enough anything is achieveable, this kind of thing is about removing the mental and energetic blocks that hold one back from performing these things.
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Why every body wants to have encredible power?
what you gonna do if you have an encredible powers!?
do you want it because do you have any reasonable purpose?
or you want it just for fun?... if yes? you're wasting your time.
remember this... great powers has a great responsibilities.
if you have it? do you think you do your responsibilities?...
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every one!...
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alright here's my opinion nope you can do this energy is invisible if you cut up a man you cant see his energy
and 5 arms you don't enough blood
I agree, Saiyens got old ever since they ruined it with Super Saiyens and fusions and stuff. They should have ended DBZ like they planned to with Goku's death on Namek.
Quote from: Bright_lightWhy every body wants to have encredible power? what you gonna do if you have an encredible powers!? do you want it because do you have any reasonable purpose? or you want it just for fun?... if yes? you're wasting your time. remember this... great powers has a great responsibilities. if you have it? do you think you do your responsibilities?...
I took out the spaces between your sentences and your signature because they waste space. Anyway, what are you whining about? Who wouldn't want power? There is no purpose, our purpose is to do what we want, and power allows that. Great power has responsibility only to the responsible, who will seek to regulate the power of the irresponsible if it interferes with them. Do I think I do my responsibilities? I don't understand that, sorry... do I meet mine? Some, yes, others no.
Quote from: God of Chaosalright here's my opinion nope you can do this energy is invisible if you cut up a man you cant see his energy
and 5 arms you don't enough blood
Five arms?
sprout 2 extra arms on his back somehow, even though he is supposed to be a regular human, except with a very developed mind
thats what he said
The problem is that the question has been answered by four pages of unqualified answers. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17616
pod_3, are you saying that what you said in the thread you linked has worked for you (making you qualified)?
You're still not getting it. The Ego must step aside in order to let faith do it's work. As a result of setting it aside, miracles HAVE been performed. This is not to my credit.
Have any of you even made serious attemts at what you're writing about?
Yes, very seriously.
Have you considered that what you're saying is just a rewording of acting in accordance with nature? You know, that there is a superior force - and this force is whatever, God, nature, the devil, etc. And that you must not attempt to master this force but act in accordance with it.
You're not saying anything new.
QuoteYou're not saying anything new.
I most certainly am not, though you're confusing a supernatural God with natural forces.
Veritas was very popular, here. So, I decided to visit and see if I could polish up.
Every single article which was not solely for the purpose of defining psi used the theme of losing yourself in the act.
As for acting in accordance with the power source, I am only saying that humans are petty as batteries go. You will have to act in accordance with
a power source before being able to do anything.
Consider the listed power sources and the effects which will be obtained by localizing them into one event.
Considering how we identify ourselves as humans in a limited way, you're right.
Any onset into psychic powers will require losing that identification, even for a moment.
Quote from: pod_3The problem is that the question has been answered by four pages of unqualified answers. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17616
It only shows two pages for me... must be a different count system. As for that thread, it's butchered up by people who don't like criticism, heh.
Quote from: pod_3You're still not getting it. The Ego must step aside in order to let faith do it's work. As a result of setting it aside, miracles HAVE been performed. This is not to my credit.
Have any of you even made serious attempts at what you're writing about?
How is letting go of your ego and trying to let something else do your work for you making a serious attempt? Anyway, this is more a thing of Integral Philosophy and World Religion...
As for all articles all saying to 'lose yourself in the act', that just is NOT TRUE. NEW itself requires focus on each of the body parts as you flow around the body, as do most meditations. What you are identifying is trance meditation, very different from focused manipulation or contemplation meditation.
QuoteAs for all articles all saying to 'lose yourself in the act', that just is NOT TRUE. NEW itself requires focus on each of the body parts as you flow around the body, as do most meditations.
Again, I was talking specifically about Veritas' page, and am not going to dig up 100 quotes from there.
Alternating programs simply duel eachother, and the effect cancels them out. Would it be acceptable to donate to the Black Panthers with Nazi stationary? You will not rise to the top of either organization pulling this kind of crap.
Will God help you defraud, or will Satan cast out Satan? It is the same principle.
You are a spiritually neutral piece of meat. The degree to which your allegiance to either side is heartfelt will determine the amount of power you have to use in your visualization in the first place.
QuoteAs for that thread, it's butchered up by people who don't like criticism, heh.
If they cannot evidense the validity of their arguments, then the difference is a spiritual one. Otherwise, the invitation to teach me better remains open.
To this effect, I would like to hear about the successes and failures of others, who have either called me into question or are asking for help.
Kundalini related effects are most desirable in order to create psi balls as energy reservoirs.
ASLEGNAT