go to those 2 pages,read and practise
http://kundalini-support.com/
http://www.urday.com/indexs.asp
Hi AlphaOmega,
The warnings about kundalini raising are there for a very good reason. This is really something not to mess with unless you've spent a lot of time practicing energy raising techniques such as NEW (I'm talking years, not just days or months), and is something that must be taken very seriously. Do not attempt it out of a desire just to see what it's about.
Reason for this is the same idea as trying to go and swim the English channel after not long learning how to swim, or taking a hit of pure heroine when you've only ever smoked a couple of joints. There is a great ammount of energy involved that you need to train your body to cope with. Not doing so can literally damage nerves in your spinal cord, as it is your spine that is the channel for the kundalini.
Sorry if I'm sounding a little over dramatic, but I really do want to impress that this is not something to take lightly. There are sites on the internet that will tell you how to do it. Some of the ones I've seen I would consider very foolish and irresponsible, while others just don't really know what they're on about.
As a first step towards this goal if you are serious, you could try concentrating on Robert Bruces NEW techniques - esp the full body circuit. Studying Yoga can also help get you there, as NEW shares a lot in common with Yoga. The energy raising practices must be kept up very regularly because, as I mentioned, there is a good deal of conditioning that is needed for kundalini raising.
Regards,
James.
Thanks James, I will be cautious when studying Kundalini. Also thanks Robert, I've looked at a few links you sent me and they are helpful, however I still haven't found any "methods". It's all just stories and warnings, no real "here's a way" info. Any peticular link to look at for such things, if it exists?
Well two ways : kundalini yoga (coming from cashmirian shivaism, quite effective on long term) or waiting for Mr Bruce's Kundalini Dynamics to be published [:D] hehe Search for "kundalini" in the forums, you'll find a interesting article of RB posted by Richard Kwang or something like this.
Kundalini is my goal too, but i still have many years of NEW to do for this purpose [;)] (only 1 1/2 year of daily NEW training behind me)
When I was in my late teens I embarked on a definite spiritual quest. I fasted regularly and I engaged in several types of yoga which were designed to clear the chakras and the etheric body. I engaged in this type of discipline for something like 2-4 hours per day for about 4 years.
One day when doing a meditation on the Divine Mother Aspect of God, I started to feel a strong burning sensation in my chest which sent me into bliss. I'd never encountered anything so strong and it really concerned me. It happened the next day and the next. Finally, I remembered reading about Kundalini in a Theosophy book and put two and two together.
From there I always said prayers to an Ascended Master to protect me and keep me from harming myself with the Kundalini fire. Over the next few years I taught myself to move the fire into whatever chakra I wanted and hold it there for as long as I desired. This practice has given me many of the traditionally stated experiences and abilities (google "Kundalini" and read for several weeks) that are mentioned in popular literature.
That said, I have to echo James warnings. If you go ahead with trying to forcibly raise Kundalini but you don't have your chakras and spinal channels cleared out and your emotional life in order, you may well land in a mental hospital or worse. I've heard it said that Kundalini "brings liberation to yogis and bondage to fools". If you say, "I accept all the risks" it makes me think that you think you can play with dynamite and just get lucky.
Regarding finding a guru....I didn't have one in embodiment. I kept a very tight relationship with an Ascended Master through devotion, prayer and constant good works over years of time. This is available to anyone, anywhere. If you don't have the humility or patience for this then you really, really shouldn't be getting involved with Kundalini.
I subscribe to an email list for people who have experienced (mostly) premature or unwanted Kundalini awakenings. The suffering many of these people endure for months and years is pitiful. Yes, even people who aren't ready and are otherwise in pain sometimes have periods of ecstasy and cosmic awareness. But if you get acquainted with their whole lives you would see that they went from being normal functioning people to semi invalids.
Learn to do NEW. Become a master at it and do it for 2-3 years. Read all you can about Kundalini and get into the spiritual aspect of it. You're dealing with GOD here. It's not just some mechanical thing you do to gain psychic powers.
I appologize if I've sounded patronizing. But it's really a serious thing and I get kind of fired up if I think people are approaching something like this with a cavalier attitude.
Lest you think my reply was just to be a poop-head, you asked specifically for a technique to do the raising. I told you how I did it.
i've got two books i would recommend to you - one about experiences, the other about an actual method. the first is gopi krishna's 'kundalini:the evolutionary energy in man' (it also goes under different names, i think). if you haven't already read this i think you should because it is a first hand account of what can go wrong on the kundalini path. it also contains the most beautiful descriptions of enlightenment that i have read anywhere (i've read a lot).
the second book is mantak chia's 'awaken healing energy through the tao'. this describes a version of the microcosmic orbit meditation. you can awaken kundalini with this, but it is safer because you circulate the energy, rather than just make it rise up the spine. you may want to adapt the method to suit your preference. or maybe this method won't appeal to you at all, in which case look elsewhere.
good luck.
Boydster,
Thank you for your input here.
My opinion on this matter is based on research only, whereas yours is based on real life experience, which I believe counts for a whole lot more.
Your thoughts really are of great value to the AP forums.[^]
Alpha,
I've found a link to a discussion on Kundalini that started nearly a couple of years ago. Robert Bruce posts some good info starting on page 2
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1016
Hope you find this link helpful. [:)]
Regards,
James.
Thanks, James!
It's a topic very near to my heart. I've been thinking of this issue for a couple of days now and have a few more insights.
I really think that (as has been stated by RB and others)the Kundalini is the way provided by God for a soul to ascend out of this mortal condition. A very natural manifestation of this is as follows:
A ripe old soul who has had enough bs down here after a few thousand lifetimes or so, feels the need to move on in consciousness. The power of unification is what we call "Love" and the desire to reunite with ones Source or God Presence becomes an all encompassing preocupation at a certain stage in the career of a soul. So while the soul is earnestly desiring God, her love pulls down the divine masculine fire which, over time and through much devotion (many years or even lifetimes) purifies the bodies and chakras of the seeker.
When this purification has reached a stage appointed by that higher self, a fundamental change happens. Metaphorically, the soul beginning her ascent back to God as represented in the loosening of the seed atom or Kundalini, and the feminine aspect of the personality of God ascends up the spinal stalk to reunite with her lord, the masculine aspect of God in the crown chakra. The action is liberating.
So, it's something that is completely natural and doesn't need to be learned, like some magic trick. At least that's my take on it. I'm well aware that there are ways of hastening this process, some more defensible than others. In the case of a soul who is getting closer and closer to the last incarnation, and has mastered the Kundalini in past lives, the shortening of the process via yogic practices is natural and is entirely waranted. But for those who artificially force this action, with the only goal in mind being the gaining of advantage over others via psychic powers or the agrandizement of the ego, I think that there are grave risks. Ones motives should be carefully investigated.
Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?
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Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?
Well as far as i know it's said that whoever raises totally kundalini (full serpent effect etc) is freed from reincarnation by the destruction of its karma ... And in any case kundalini is a body aspect, so i guess that everything has to be done again with as much risk if you still recincarnate (as you have a new and totally different body).
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Originally posted by achilles
Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?
I'm not sure that I'd state it exactly as you have. Inducing rapidly with intense practice seems to me to be a rash act no matter who you are. Robert Bruce frankly mentions that he died (temporarily) the first time he did it....[:O]
I would, however, say that one who has mastered Kundalini in past lives has probably formed for himself a set of physical/spiritual bodies (this time) which are capable of somewhat greater ease and eficacy at doing it again. Spiritual mastery is at least semi-permanent. The soul remembers the path, and each new set of bodies are the product of past good karma and attainment.
With pure intent, it seems, the timetable for these things isn't something which needs a lot of hurriedness or hand-wringing. There is a rhythm and cadence to everything in life. If one simply desires to reunite with the higher self with all his heart and soul, the path will unfold.
For instance, I believe that quit a few catholic saints have experienced Kundalini. When it unfolds naturally it doesn't have to entail a monumental eruption. And once the light begins to flow, the person can see what is happening and learns to work with it in an instinctive and natural way.
Look up Saint Francis of Paola. The guy was an adept in every sense of the word...he could levitate, walk on water, precipitate physical objects, read minds, etc. But if you read the story of his life, he never read books about Kundalini or practiced any "techniques" that he got from others. He became one with his higher self through intense, consistent desire and love. The Kundalini and everything else just fell into place.
People seem to miss the fact that if you don't have a very intense tethering to the higher self, then even forcing the Kundalini and gaining a bunch of psychic powers doesn't actually give you access to that much energy. You've got to tap into the Source.
Wow. Bruce's explanation strikes me as very graphic, but I'd like more info on the actual technique of raising kundalini to this degree as it ties into some of my work. Sadly, though that forum string seems to have ended about a year and a half ago, I can't find any links to Bruce's "Treatise on Kundalini" in either print form or as an Ebook. Will be asking him myself, shortly.
Thanks, James.
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Boydster,
Thank you for your input here.
My opinion on this matter is based on research only, whereas yours is based on real life experience, which I believe counts for a whole lot more.
Your thoughts really are of great value to the AP forums.[^]
Alpha,
I've found a link to a discussion on Kundalini that started nearly a couple of years ago. Robert Bruce posts some good info starting on page 2
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1016
Hope you find this link helpful. [:)]
Regards,
James.
All very helpful insights, and I thank you for your responses. However it sounds like a lot of fear to me. I've seen little if anything, websites included, that encourages and teaches one once they've stated precautions. It's all mostly very intense people telling me to be afraid, be very afraid (so to speak). Fear however is not a barrier for me, and neither is the belief in reincarnation. I believe this life is the one and only life I will live or have ever lived on this planet, and want to spend it in deep search of my spirituality. Kundalini for me is just another prospect that I am not currently trying, but interested in learning all about. When I say I accept all risks I wasn't saying that I don't take them seriously. I just believe that with enough info and practice they can be avoided, and that is the stage I am hoping to get information on. Is there ANYONE who can put all fears aside for a moment and speak plainly about ways to reach a high state of Kundalini?
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I can't find any links to Bruce's "Treatise on Kundalini" in either print form or as an Ebook.
That's totally normal, as he hasn't write it yet ;) It too bad, i can't wait to read it, although i will wait until i have at least 5 or 6 years of energy work to
start working with it. Bruce says that this writing requires many investigations, and that he doesn't have the time for it right now
The AlphaOmega => many sites just repeat what they read elsewhere, that's why they just say "ph3Ar !!" without telling us anything else. I guess that only a few people know exactly how to start raising kundalini. Fortunately, boydster seems to be one of them, so i think he is the only one here who can answer by experience to your question :) I'm looking forward to it too !
I don't know why but eversince i've heard of kundalini for the first time, i decided i would do it, no matter the time and the efforts to spend in it. I really feel attracted by it, eventhough i don't really know why. It's one of my goals at middle term (in the next 10 years), to help me in my will of spiritual growth on the long term.
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I don't know why but eversince i've heard of kundalini for the first time, i decided i would do it, no matter the time and the efforts to spend in it. I really feel attracted by it, eventhough i don't really know why. It's one of my goals at middle term (in the next 10 years), to help me in my will of spiritual growth on the long term.
Kalonek,
I think you have an extremely healthy and realistic outlook on this. Not only that, you have a plan, and a track record of executing on it. Anyone with the discipline to do NEW daily for 1.5 years (along with any other disciplines I don't know about) is on the right track. Just hold on to your goal and desire it for the right reasons and you will not be denied. Believe me, you DO want to have the benefit of purifying your physical and spiritual bodies with milder forms of spiritual fire before you experience the initiation of Kundalini.
AlphaOmega,
Since you are ready now for this initiation[;)][;)][;)], the issue is that within the base chakra is a chamber which is sealed in 7 sheaths and within them is the serpent fire. Someone here correctly mentioned that a small amount of the fire comes out all the time and is partly responsible for animating our bodies with life and supplying us with the power to create...aka the sex activity or even just creating things like music or ideas. But it is largely sealed and for good reason.
The natural way for this unsealing to happen is by a gentle, gradual unwrapping of the sheaths by an action initiated by ones own higher self according to a safe timetable. This is something which just "happens" and, although it still takes a lot of work and patience to accomodate, it brings a greatly enhanced state of consciousness which also brings with it an understanding of what's happening and how to deal with it.
There are lots of ways that people use to "take heaven by force" which I believe is the inner meaning to this phrase, which is to force the raising of the Kundalini without regard to any commitment to true spiritual attainment or union with God. Some do it by having sex but teaching themselves to stop short of orgasm and forcefully willing the light up the spinal stalk and into the higher chakras. Others mentally focus on the base chakra and rupture the sheath by sheer will power. These people almost always get hurt pretty bad. Others have figured out ways to erode the sheath away by applying pranic energy to the base chakra which kind of burns the sheath away. This may be a little more gentle since it takes time, and you may get the benefit of numerous smaller releases which either cause you to smarten up and back away, or else it will have the effect of clearing the pathway by burning away dross a little more gradually. It will still hurt though, and if it gets out of control you're screwed.
The way I would advise people to proceed is to work on your heart chakra, make it a kind of magnet of love. Do lots of NEW which will serve two purposes, 1. It will teach you to be able to manipulate energy via your will. 2. It will gradually purify and cleanse your chakras and connecting pathways so that Kundalini will not tear you up and damage things when she comes. The other thing is to meditate on ones highest conception of God or ones higher self and practice communing with a blindingly bright Light/Intelligence hovering above you. Talk to it and send your love and desire for reunion. It is your self--your Greater Self. It is a guru you can always count on. Here is a visual representation of what I'm talking about:
http://www.prismgraphicdesign.com/presence.jpg
These are artists renderings of a visual way to relate to our higher self. I've found that by looking at the bright, shining figure in the pictures, I begin to actually make contact with my own higher self. And once you get the hang of it you don't need the picture.
Boydster, thank you so much. You are the first so far to genuinely give advice and some guidance, and not simply warnings. I know from your previous posts that you take this seriously, and my respect lies in that, honestly. I hope I do not sound arrogant, but I might, and if so I appologize. Kundalini is a prospect for me... an option, not a necessity. I have read many many books to help me on my journey (ET-book of mormon, bible, nurmerous works on buddhism, countless authors on OBE, etc). My point is this...
I speak to my higher self almost on a daily basis. The spirit never rejects me, but some days I simply don't try. I am FULLY in touch with God and my soul and have complete faith in both. Likewise, I have been doing NEW for many years, and inducing energy within myself is effortless (takes 5-10 seconds to make any part of my body activily energetic). I greatly appreciate ALL the advice given, but I assure you, knowing myself better than anyone, that I am prepared for the work and suprises that will come to me as I seek a higher level of my own spirituality (OBE or not). I feel that every post has helped me much, but to further my progression can only be made by myself. I encourage and hope that any more insights will be shared in this post, for I will check it regularly, and take it to heart... however from this point on I will take the info I have and venture out on my own. THANK YOU ALL!!!!
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Kalonek,
I think you have an extremely healthy and realistic outlook on this. Not only that, you have a plan, and a track record of executing on it. Anyone with the discipline to do NEW daily for 1.5 years (along with any other disciplines I don't know about) is on the right track. Just hold on to your goal and desire it for the right reasons and you will not be denied. Believe me, you DO want to have the benefit of purifying your physical and spiritual bodies with milder forms of spiritual fire before you experience the initiation of Kundalini.
Thank you for your kind words boydster ! :) It gives me a lot of courage to continue on this way ! And indeed, i do want some spiritual and energetic purifying before atempting this ;) It's why i said i still have about 10 years to train using NEW on the secundary and primary circuit. I want it to be able to recieve kundalini without to much problems, and if possible gradually.
Thank you also for your explanations, they are very useful ! This is definitely some text to print and read 2 times a day :) If you have any more things to share with us on this great experience, i look forward for them !
Thank you again !
Kalonek
OK dudes, here's an interesting little exercise which can help on this path--
Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night with a monster erection? A whole bunch of sexual energy has created a pool in that region and seeks expression. It is an energy which I would classify as very similar to Kundalini. Next time this happens, see if you can quickly pull all that energy up into your crown or brow chakra. The effect is that the erection dies in no time, along with any erotic feelings or fantasies. And the light can be felt rushing up the spine and creating a burning/humming feeling in the target chakra. Keep your attention on the target chakra for as long as you want, the longer the better. This is something which will help step up the overall light carrying/handling capacity of the chakras and will serve to clear out obstructions along the spine which would otherwise need to get run over by the freight train of the Kundalini.
This exercise will also serve to help you avoid a somewhat dangerous pitfall on the path. For those who are unprepared and who experience Kundalini awakenings, one bad thing that can happen is the rushing in of the fire to the lower chakras responsible for appetites such as sex. They get locked into a resistless riptide of sexual fantasy/fulfillment which is like a nightmarish "merry go round". This goes for any of the lower appetites if they are not conquered before the initiation of raising of the Mother Light.
If you can train yourself to be able to remove your attention and interest from any desire via your will, you will be immune to one of the pitfalls of this path. Practice this and see if you can turn the trick in less than 30 seconds. It is more intense than NEW activity on the the chakras though in my experience, so be careful and don't go nuts. Be nice to yourself.
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OK dudes, here's an interesting little exercise which can help on this path--
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Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night with a monster erection?
LOL the beginning surprised me ;P However thank you very much for this information, i'll try it as soon as i get into ... condition ;) Is it useful to direct this energy to zones of energy blockages ? For example i still got some difficulties to activate my heart chakra, feels kind of "rusty", though you said it was necessary to prepare for kundalini. Could this help ? Or what is your technic of meditation to open it ? Thanks ;)
Kalonek
Yeah, it seems a little vulgar, but I just didn't know how else to say it...
I think that raising this fire to the heart chakra will definitely quicken things. It will spin the chakra faster which has an action kind of like throwing off density. My heart chakra is one that I've had to work the hardest at too. That and the throat.
Another approach which I recommend involves pulling light down from the higher self. Within the heart chakra is a chamber within which is terminated a type of cord similar to the crystal cord that AP'ers see. But this one leads from the heart of ones higher self down to this heart chamber and it supplies us with a type of spiritual light which we need to live. So in the place where this cord of light terminates there is a little flame. It has intelligence and consiousness and is a small portion of the essence of your higher self.
When you meditate on your heart chakra and you acknowledge this link with the ocean of light above, it amplifies the connection, the stream of light descending and also the amount of cosmic consciousness you have. You can get into a feedback loop where you feel joy and love and gratitude for the connection which ascends up to your higher self, who then responds by sending down to you greater light, love and understanding. You can get very, very high doing this. And it also serves to wash away debris and blockages from the heart chakra also.
There is another by product of this though, and it's one of the things which I feel is wrong with just focusing on the Kundalini alone. The heart meditation I described above transforms your chakras in another peculiar way. You see, the light descending from above is (from within the framework of this discussion) masculine in polarity. The Kundalini is feminine in polarity. If you can nurture the relationship with the higher self first, it serves to make your chakras kind of like magnets which can pull energy from either direction. And it appears that this magnetic power, which could possibly be termed "divine love" is what alchemically magnetizes the mother light up the spine in what I would term a natural, safe Kundalini awakening.
I'm not sure if this is very clear. But I would say that anyone who wants to get deep into this mystical path and reach the highest peak of their spiritual abilities in this life should spend as much time as possible cultivating this vertical relationship with ones higher self. Do it until your heart literally burns and burns with (spiritual) flame. If you approach it from this angle, the Kundalini thing will just fall into place.
Boydster: You are a master of eloquence! As I read your posts, having just raised kundalini a little while ago for the first time, I actually got a head-rush and my whole scalp was tingling. A few comments:
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and the feminine aspect of the personality of God ascends up the spinal stalk to reunite with her lord, the masculine aspect of God in the crown chakra.
This really hit me as being so true for me personally. I'll explain this in a minute...as it ties in with something else you said:
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I would, however, say that one who has mastered Kundalini in past lives has probably formed for himself a set of physical/spiritual bodies (this time) which are capable of somewhat greater ease and eficacy at doing it again. Spiritual mastery is at least semi-permanent. The soul remembers the path, and each new set of bodies are the product of past good karma and attainment.
A couple of hours ago, I was reading an older thread regarding kundalini, and decided, "what the heck, let me try this" (crazy, right?). Keep in mind that I discovered this website and NEW energy ways only 1 week ago at most. In the other thread, Robert Bruce was saying that it's quite probably impossible to raise kundalini if you don't have enough control to consciously OBE (which I haven't done yet), and of course all the usual warnings were given, etc...so it seems like it would be "impossible" for me to do it, right? Wrong! The first thought in my head as I was reading everything was, "No two people are alike, and
nothing is impossible.
So anyway...on to what I was going to say. As I'm raising energy, I'm getting really "spacey" and out of nowhere I ask for help from Ra and Isis! Where the heck did that come from? If anything, I would be considered Christian, and I have no knowledge about Egyptian religious beliefs. *boggle* The only thing I can think of is that I intuitively connected with a past incarnation from Egypt. And the most awesome thing is that THEY CAME! Ra placed his hand on my head, and Isis stood behind me, holding me to her breast. I wept. Isis stroked my hair as the white serpent unwound around my spine. I see your statement (feminine aspect) has a specific relevance for me, as I had to surrender my "maleness" and embrace my feminine side before the serpent emerged. But more specifically, it's notable that Isis was pressed against my spine and Ra had his hand on my crown chakra, just as you stated...the feminine rising to meet the masculine in the crown chakra. Other than your explanation about preparing in past lives, I have no way of explaining how a 1-week crash-course on the chakras and the energy body can result in me raising kundalini. And to top it all off, I have no ill effects (as of yet). The only effect that I noticed was that I was stumbling around like a drunken sailor for about 10 minutes. My body felt as if it was being pulled around by "gravitational anomalies" is the best way I can describe it.
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the issue is that within the base chakra is a chamber which is sealed in 7 sheaths and within them is the serpent fire.
Yes, yes, and yes! This is experienced (or was, by myself at least) almost exactly as would be expected. Namely: Normally, over the last week, when pouring alot of energy into the root chakra I would feel it on the perineum. And indeed, I felt it tonight most keenly. I pumped up so much juice that it felt like my perineum was sitting on a stove! But as soon as those 7 sheaths broke....viola! Pumping energy into the root chakra no longer affected the perineum, but sent energy up the spine. I hate to put it this way...(but hopefully we can all be adults about this), but once the sheaths broke, when I pumped energy into the root chakra, it felt like I had a 2-inch (or so) diameter "energy snake" entering my anus. My point is, the chakra is based in the tailbone, and when the 7 sheaths break, now energy shoots toward the spine rather than "spinning" on the perineum. Either that or there's just a "focus shift" for that chakra.
I have to admit that I'm not sure yet exactly what happened, and I certainly don't feel "enlightened", and I didn't experience "energy body orgasms", so perhaps it wasn't a "full kundalini release". I can detail the entire process I went through if anyone is interested in how I did it. But before anyone says "Well, then that wasn't kundalini", let me say this:
1. I distinctly felt like I a had a snake wrapped around my spine, and had to massage my back afterwards, because it felt like a boa constrictor had been squeezing my spine.
2. Up until the point of activation, sending energy into my root chakra only resulted in (at most) a burning sensation in the perineum. Once this was activated, every time I pumped energy into the root chakra I felt it spiral around my spine and enter my brain! ie: little or no sensation in the root chakra, but flashes of white light and PAINS in my brain. It literally felt like every time I pumped energy in, I was in danger of having my skull split open.
3. I had what Robert Bruce calls "The medusa effect". ie: First I felt like a worm had grown out of my skull. Then another. Then it felt as if the top of my skull wasn't even there, and where my hair used to be was now "wiggly worms".
If there's another explanation for what happened, I'd like to hear it. Felt like a snake to me, and felt like kundalini to me. I believe thet everyone's experiences are different, and no one can tell you "This is what you'll feel or experience".
I should also state, just for the record:
1. I couldn't care less about "getting attention" from people on an internet forum. This is not a bid for anything.
2. Ego involvement at this time is as near zero as it's been in my entire 45 years of life.
3. I'm a healthy skeptic, and highly logical and analytical, and almost never get emotional.
EDIT: Let me state here that when I asked for Ra's help, I
visualized him standing in front of me. My "third eye" was not seeing things, and I did not see them with my physical eyes either. He put his hand on my head, and Isis appeared behind me and hugged me <-- those things happened "spontaneously" (ie: I didn't visualize them first). Figured I better add this before someone thinks I'm seeing Gods and Godesses walking around my house! [:D]
I will try to find time to raise kundalini again either tomorrow morning or tomorrow night, and report back with my results, as well as any physical/emotional/mental effects I might be experiencing. (it took me over 2 hours to do it)
P.S. It really feels like that snake cracked my spine! Neck was hurting a bit also, and my ears are burning now.
Hey Targa!!
Congratulations!! I loved your post too. It's funny how these experiences cause one to think in such a poetic way. There is drama and allegory to this stuff for certain. I completely believe in the personages and help you cite.
I think you're at a great time in your life for this experience. I was 24 when it started up for me. I was ready in many respects but I have to believe that it's harder for a younger person. The reason I say this is that (as you'll find out in the coming weeks and months) the serpent fire enlarges and enhances everything about you--intellect, sensitivity, spiritual abilities, etc. But it also magnifies the problems also. That is one of the main pitfalls. So if you take the average person in their late teens or early twenties, there are a lot of things that they just haven't mastered yet. One is appetites of the body, including sexual appetites. Another is pride or fear or idolatry or self esteem issues, etc., etc.
For the first couple of years that I was regularly doing my little Kundalini meditations, I faced those things in myself and I had to smarten up and get control of the faculty of my attention fairly quickly and learn to discipline that faculty. Like, if you are having a kind of sucky day and you say so, and *feel* it, well, things can get a lot worse very soon. You can get feelings and phrases orbiting around your aura pretty quickly to the point that you are obsessed with it. You may think I'm overstating things here, but a person who has this enormous creative fire coursing around in his body can, if unguarded, spiral into a suicidal state pretty quickly.
Depression, anger, fear, pride, idolatry, (there's more I'm sure) you've got to cultivate the ability to instantly withdraw your attention and agreement with these states. And frankly, most people indulge themselves in these things. They give themselves outright permission to have periods of wallowing in these emotional states. That's one of the very largest pitfalls to this deal.
Don't be in a hurry....you've got a lifetime to build on this. Be nice to your body. I've been doing this for 20 years now on an a very regular basis--that's thousands of Kundalini meditations spread over years and years. There's no way that I'd want to compress any of that into a shorter time for the sake of quick results. And don't give up on NEW--even with all that I've been through I've become of very big fan of NEW. I just never realized such an obtuse thing as pulling prana in through your feet and hands. I'm really grooving on it.
Another thing, I smiled when I read Roberts assertion that anyone who can't do conscious exit obe's probably can't do a Kundalini raising. Like you said, everyone is different. We all have our own unique mix of momentums and gifts and specialties. I had a conscious obe when I was 3 years old--and none since then. I have no idea why. It's not something that I've spent much time on though either. My teachers placed no importance on it. For me it was 1. conquer my lower appetites and urges, 2. form a mighty union with my higher self, 3. serve life by helping others whenever possible. From this has grown joy and the fulfillment of all my needs and the attainment necessary for all challenges. This sometimes does include special powers and cool, cosmic experiences. But that's not the real point. It's not the end. For me the end is fulfilling the potential of my soul and graduating to the next big thing.
Morning After Reflections:
Back is very painful this morning. I do have a back injury, so it's difficult to tell where this leaves off and the aftereffects of the white snake begin, but it seems much worse than is usual.
Have a sense that life is an illusion, or like a movie...but not in my head, in my vision. ie: It seems like only what I see with my eyes is "real", and everything
not in my line-of-sight is "the universe". Hard to explain... Imagine you're floating in the cosmos, and with your eyes you can "peek" into the 3rd dimension through a small hole in the fabric of space. Behind, above, below, and to the sides, 3-D reality just "isn't there", because I'm not looking at it. Very weird sensation.
I feel as if my energy body is no longer contained within my physical body's boundaries. It feels as though my energy body is stretched to the far limits of the universe and all other dimensions and planes of existence. It feels stretched and thin. I tried to send healing energy to my wife and children. Not alot, just about "4 breaths" each. By the time I was on child number four, I felt totally depleted and weak. (Interesting to note here that during energy raising to awaken kundilini I had to stop periodically to rest and allow "expansion" of my energy body. I felt it was sort of like stretching a balloon; I had to fill it up, stretching it to capacity, then had to wait for the "skin" to normalize before I could begin expanding it again.)
I'm still feeling what I can only describe as "energy waves". As I sit here writing, it feels as if I'm sitting in the ocean and waves of energy are hitting me from behind. I can literally feel my energy body rocking forward and backwards. Feels sorta like my energy body is "breathing" in and out, and I can feel that movement.
It seems to me that I overextended my energy body, sorta like running a marathon when being out of shape, but forcing yourself to finish through sheer willpower. Other than that and the back pains, I observe no ill effects. I don't believe I've gone insane or anything. [:P]
Boydster: I agree with you totally about younger people being ill-prepared to deal with something like this. No disrespect intended, as I have children of my own, but they need time to deal with their emotions, desires, ego, etc... just as you mentioned. I would not wish them an extra burden on top of that.
I'm by no stretch of the imagination an expert on this, but I think it's of vital importance for those considering awakening kundilini to ask themselves what their motivations are. If it's for "power", psychic abilities, or things of that nature then it's a safe bet that it's Ego talking and not the "real person". All emotional baggage, psychological problems, material desires, etc... should all be dealt with before even considering this. It reminds me of a Jack Nicholson line in that Marine movie (I forget the title), "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!". People need to seriously ask themselves: "Am I willing to give up everything and follow a higher path?" This reminds me of something I think Jesus said, "You must lose your life in order to gain it" (or some such thing). I have no idea what the repercussions of my awakening the kundilini force might be, but I can sense that something essential has changed inside of me. Long-term effects remain to be seen.
Interestingly, today I am not so eager to try to raise kundilini again. I think my intuition is telling me that I need to rest my energy body. Always trust your intuition!
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But that's not the real point. It's not the end. For me the end is fulfilling the potential of my soul and graduating to the next big thing.
We're on the same page with regard to this. I've left behind my desire for material things, psychic powers, etc. The only motivation I have right now is to fulfill my higher purpose in this incarnation.
I will continue to do the NEW exercises, thanks. [:)] It's nice to be able to connect with someone with experience when entering "unknown territory". So your advice is to put a tight lid on emotions, feelings, and thoughts? Try to sublimate the ego and just be the Observer? As I said above, I have no idea what the possible effects or repercussions might be in trying to live with this. It's always good to be forewarned on what to expect.
Do you visualize the heart chakra as green? I know this is traditional, but some people say the healing energy from the heart is pink. I also read one story where a woman with clairvoyant capabilities said that on some people she sees a pink center in the green heart chakra. Just curious, and I am going to use your technique of visualizing that pocket and cord in the heart chakra to the higher self.
One other thing: I won't quote your entire message here, but this is in regard to your earlier post about mastering the kundilini in past lives. Is it your opinion then that the commonly held belief regarding awakening kundilini means an end to reincarnational cycles is incorrect? Or are you perhaps saying that kundilini was awakened but not mastered (or enlightenment reached) in past lives?
EDIT: You stated that you raised K to different chakras. Would you suggest this as a normal path to take rather than always raising it to the crown chakra? Next time, should I try to raise it to the heart chakra, do you think? Or third eye?
Hello everyone !
Well Targa i'm so jalous (jk ;)) but also so happy for you ! You had definitely some unknown faculties for this ! I look forward to read the next days and weeks of results to this experience. Would you mind to post any strange things that happens to this because of Kundalini, so that we can have a real-time basis of observation ? it would be great !
Well, it looks like i'm the only basic NEW adept here, without any K raising lol I feel small :) Nevertheless i still prefere to wait before atempting this, i feel i still got more training to do.
I just canted to confirm your technic boydster, it is REALLY effective (the one about the night monster ... ;)) I woke up twice in this case tonight and immediately did what you explained : i had a real lot of sexual energy, i could feel it clearly, almost like a physical liquid in my 2nd chakra. I pulled it up to my crown chakra by my spine, and i really felt the energy flowing to the top of my head. The sexual arousal was totally gone in less than 15 secondes, and i felt my crown chakra to be mildly stimulated, in a gentle way. I did it again the 2nd time but with my heart chakra. The whole thing was less intese so i get smaller results, but i'm looking forward for other experiences of this kind !
So thanks again for your technic :)
Kalonek: That's interesting! I think I will start using Boydster's technique in this regard also. And no, I don't mind at all keeping everyone updated on my experiences and the effects this has. I think it will be useful to the Forum Community to hear about exactly what happens to me because of this. I will say that right now (mid-afternoon of Day 1 after K awakening) that I have felt "odd" all day. I injured my lungs somehow during the trance. I was doing lots of deep breathing and using it to direct energy in time with my breath, and a few times I think I was almost hyperventilating. I guess my lungs aren't used to a 2-hour workout!
I did a little chakra stimulation about an hour ago, and sent some energy to my heart and brow chakras, and got tired very quickly. My back is still very painful. Will post updates with any new insights/information/symptoms as it comes.
EDIT: Let me also mention that I have had lower-back surgery, having 2 disks removed and my spine fused. Then I got hit in the back with a forklift at work which broke the spinal fusion loose. I have so far refused to go for more corrective surgery. I have also had severe whiplash as a teenager and didn't realize it at the time and therefore never got it treated. This resulted in frequent neck pains and pinched nerves, and a subsequent X-ray revealed that instead of a curved neck my spine is now almost completely vertical in the neck. The point is this: Neither of these "damages" to my physical body affected my ability to awaken or raise kundilini. (I have seen this question asked elsewhere, so figured I'd answer it definitively here)
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And no, I don't mind at all keeping everyone updated on my experiences and the effects this has. I think it will be useful to the Forum Community to hear about exactly what happens to me because of this.
Thanks Targa ! Indeed i think it will be very helpful for everyone ! We could even almost create a day-by-day effects list from your posts. Hope you'll be fine anyway and don't have to post a lot !! I hope your lungs will also get better soon, as your back !
Btw, how long lasted the experience, from snake coming up to the end ? I would be more than interested to read the entire detailled process you've been through (as you proposed to talk about it ;)) ! How did you do it, which was your intent, where did you direct energy, how etc :) I'm really curious about all this (i don't want to give you too much work though so if you don't feel like you can say everything it's ok i understand totally).
From the time the snake started ascending until I stopped meditating was probably about 15 or 20 minutes. It's very hard to say, because by that time in meditation it's difficult to hold the concept of time. It could have been as short as 5 or 10 minutes, or as long as 30. I will say this though: After the snake connected with my crown chakra, as I said, every time I pumped energy into the root chakra it sent an excruciating blast of pain into my head. I saw white lights, and experienced the "worms in your brain" (yucch) phenomenon. Because of this pain, and because I had no idea what might happen, I did not spend very long in this state. I did not attempt to pump very much energy at all into it after this point, as it literally felt like my skull would explode if I did. I was also being cautious given the warnings of possible side effects, and didn't wish to cause permanent damage. I think in the future I will have to learn to rely on inner guidance as to how much and how often to do this.
At this time I am not comfortable giving an explanation. I must meditate on this and seek guidance. I would not be happy if I recounted my experience and some young and/or foolish person followed my example and brought harm to themselves. I would not want that on my conscience or my karma. Please be patient with me.
EDIT: Forgot to add that as the snake was rising, my back got very hot and sweaty all of a sudden.
Boydster: Do you do any chakra work on the chakras not contained in the physical body? Been wondering if I should start concentrating on these. From what I understand there's one lower and many upper chakras? Earth Star below, and Soul Star, Stellar, Universal, and Cosmic Gateways above. Any idea how these should be visualized? Do they lay horizontal like the crown chakra?
Also, as someone with many years of experience, can you give the exact locations of the 7 major chakras? These differ widely, depending on who/what you read.
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Originally posted by Targa
Do you visualize the heart chakra as green? I know this is traditional, but some people say the healing energy from the heart is pink. I also read one story where a woman with clairvoyant capabilities said that on some people she sees a pink center in the green heart chakra. Just curious, and I am going to use your technique of visualizing that pocket and cord in the heart chakra to the higher self.
Within myself, I see my heart chakra as a bright white light with pink and ruby highlights. But that's after years of work.
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One other thing: I won't quote your entire message here, but this is in regard to your earlier post about mastering the kundilini in past lives. Is it your opinion then that the commonly held belief regarding awakening kundilini means an end to reincarnational cycles is incorrect? Or are you perhaps saying that kundilini was awakened but not mastered (or enlightenment reached) in past lives?
I think that there are other requirements besides merely raising the Kundalini before one can merit the initiation of the Ascension. You have to balance at least 51% of your negative karma. You have to demonstrate mastery over all the 7 rays and 7 chakras. You have to fulfill the mission (work) which you promised to do when you met with councils of Ascended Masters between lives. You have to demonstrate a balanced ability to use power, wisdom and love--all three--without relying on one and remaining weak in the others.
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EDIT: You stated that you raised K to different chakras. Would you suggest this as a normal path to take rather than always raising it to the crown chakra? Next time, should I try to raise it to the heart chakra, do you think? Or third eye?
Kundalini knows where to go and it's different for everyone. One thing I know is that after a while and the major work of clearing is done you can begin practicing moving it to where you want. And my teachers say that it's not necessary to spend much time with the lower three chakras. You do want them cleared of debris and functioning in a balanced way. But it's best not to spend a lot of time there. These are responsible (mainly) for the physical functioning of the body and you risk exacerbating lower appetites by dwelling there too much or inflaming them. My upper 4 chakras are far, far better developed than the lower 3 and I've never had a problem with it. I'm sure someone will disagree with this. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Kalonek
I just canted to confirm your technic boydster, it is REALLY effective (the one about the night monster ... ;)) I woke up twice in this case tonight and immediately did what you explained : i had a real lot of sexual energy, i could feel it clearly, almost like a physical liquid in my 2nd chakra. I pulled it up to my crown chakra by my spine, and i really felt the energy flowing to the top of my head. The sexual arousal was totally gone in less than 15 secondes, and i felt my crown chakra to be mildly stimulated, in a gentle way. I did it again the 2nd time but with my heart chakra. The whole thing was less intese so i get smaller results, but i'm looking forward for other experiences of this kind !
So thanks again for your technic :)
I realized after reading this again that very frequently I prolong this exercise as follows:
After the light has mostly ascended to the target chakra, I pause and think for a minute about my lovely wife beside me there in bed which causes more of the light to be pulled out of the root and into the sex chakra. After a short cycle of this, I "zoooop" that light up to the target chakra also. If you do this 3 or 4 times you will soon have more than a mild stimulation of the target chakra.
Be sure to keep the "wife meditation" part as short as necessary. And finish the meditation with a long period of time spent "in" the target chakra. You want to anchor your consciousness there and celebrate the higher victory. If you don't succeed at anchoring the light and your consciousness in the upper chakra, you may fall asleep and much of the light can slip back down to the lower place and you wake up with truly compelling desires...[;)][;)][;)]
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Boydster: Do you do any chakra work on the chakras not contained in the physical body? Been wondering if I should start concentrating on these. From what I understand there's one lower and many upper chakras? Earth Star below, and Soul Star, Stellar, Universal, and Cosmic Gateways above. Any idea how these should be visualized? Do they lay horizontal like the crown chakra?
Also, as someone with many years of experience, can you give the exact locations of the 7 major chakras? These differ widely, depending on who/what you read.
I don't know anything about those "extra-terrestrial" chakras. Never heard of such a thing.
I dont think the 7 major chakras are in the same place in all people. In me they are:
Root--2 inches forward of anus
Spleen--4 inches to the left and 1 inch higher than naval
Solar Plexus--2 inches directly above naval
Heart--Center of sternum
Throat--1 inch below adams apple
Brow--1 inch above bridge of nose
Crown--Centered at the "baby soft spot" top of head
Your mileage may vary.
Kalonek, I'll bet you know exactly where your chakras are too, within a few cm. How do these locations compare to yours?
Hi,
The warnings given at the beginning of this thread are very sound. So I won't repeat them.
A Lady I call Teacher introduced the subject by telling me, "Our mental institutions have many people who experienced an un-controlled awakening of kundalini." So I lost interest straight away. LOL
Twenty years later, I learned for myself that the energy of Kundalini is really the Seat of the Soul within the human body. When awakened and experienced it is as awesome in it's Clear Big Picture Awareness as it is in it's force. I call it a harsh taskmaster.
When focused and used for 'effective means' it is hugely powerful, when flowing in an uncontrolled Torrent it is equally damaging.
So, my tiny bit of advice would be to trust in your Guides. If it is part of your Soul's plan here, then they will help you. No one in their 'right mind' would seek out Kundalini without true and honest Guidance.[:P]
Love Always.[:)]
Targa => Thank you for your report ! :) And indeed i think you'e right by wanting not to say to quickly how you proceeded, as some might harm themselves. It's a wise decision ;) I hope you'll get us updated with your experience going on in the next days ! I look forward to read about it, and how you're going/dealing with the situation.
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If you don't succeed at anchoring the light and your consciousness in the upper chakra, you may fall asleep and much of the light can slip back down to the lower place and you wake up with truly compelling desires...[;)][;)][;)]
Ok thanks for this advice [;)] I'll try to follow it as best as i can. I did it again this morning, and i feel like it really helps me to open my heart chakra ! Now i feel a gentle (energetic) pressure in the center of my sternum, and i think it will increase with the practice of your exercise. I was longing to feel it well, so thank you :) I'll do the "after-exercise" too now, i'll let you know my results.
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Kalonek, I'll bet you know exactly where your chakras are too, within a few cm. How do these locations compare to you
Well here are mine :
Root - exactly where the testicules "bag" (sorry i don't know the "official" name in english and i don't have an anatomy book with me ;)) join the groin
Spleen - about 2-3cm under the navel
Solar plexus - 10cm above navel (almost on the sternum)
Heart - center of chest in the axis of the nipples
Throat - 1cm below the adams apple, a little on the left (a few mm)
Brow - 1-2cm above my nose bridge
Crown - 3-4cm before the top of the head
(Lol i'm feeling all pressured with my top chakras activated now that i verified their position ;))
About the chakras, boydster, it's funny to see that it takes me many weeks (and even months) before i could feel my lower chakras (even the root, though a little heat for this one), and i'm only starting to feel them clearly since a few months, although i feel really well my upper chakras (except heart center as i said, except when attempting an AP, when it throbbs very fast). They seem a lot more developed too. I was wondering about my energetic balancing byt you reassured me ;) I mostly need for now to work on my heart chakra which is the only one i can't feel well and is seemingly a bit blocked in the upper centers.
Btw, does anyone here knows what the palate chakras are for (seemingly 2, one in front and another a bit further in the mouth, though there might be only 1 "long" (lol)) ? I don't know what a work on them can do, i have stimulated them (by chance, i didn't know about them at this time) in a few sessions without clear results, so i you know something about them ...
Also, about kundalini, do you feel where it stops in the head ? It seems that the ida and pingala nadis continue to the nose, but i guess the kundalini continue up the crown center, right ? What is the feeling at this instant ? And do you feel the chakras activating one by one when the Kundalini "snake" is coming up (i have read this) ?
Well, assuming Bruce is very busy, I would still like to hear of techniques for raising enough kundalini to produce that ectoplasmic Medusa effect, which shifts organs.
If it is in our best interest to hear that guides have helped some, what did they do for you?
If it is a matter of concentration, what should my will be focused upon?
Obviously, the chakras must be cleared, and you must be plugged in to an external source. How to cause this movement through the open chakras, then, and to such a scale?
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Also, about kundalini, do you feel where it stops in the head ? It seems that the ida and pingala nadis continue to the nose, but i guess the kundalini continue up the crown center, right ? What is the feeling at this instant ? And do you feel the chakras activating one by one when the Kundalini "snake" is coming up (i have read this) ?
Perhaps Boydster or someone else has a clearer answer than this, since I've only experienced this once. Where did it stop in the head? Difficult to remember exactly, since there was so much going on (especially pain). I couldn't clearly sense the "head" of the snake once it got to my crown chakra, and was in alot of pain at the time. I had a sharp pain from the top of my spine (back of head) all the way to the third eye position. ie: Ever see a picture of the human brain, how it's split into right and left halves? The pain and white light seemed to go right along that center line.
I felt nothing with regard to chakras activating as K was rising past them. It seemed to ignore them and go straight to the crown chakra. Boydster probably has much better info on this, since he's raised K thousands of times.
Today's "aftereffects" report:
Last night, roughly 24 hours after my first raising of kundilini (hereafter referred to as simply "K"), I again attempted to raise K. I spent approximately 1 hour in meditation and energy raising, but had to stop and rest often, and found myself too weak to reach the same level of Will, Determination, and Power as the previous night. It became obvious that I still needed rest before another attempt.
However, I will also mention that I was still able to feel the physical presence of where the snake had been (like a phantom or an enlarged pathway), and at one point I "received" by intuition the message, "Kundilini is still rising to your crown chakra, but it is being very gentle with you at the moment". This gave me the impression that once the pathway is open, it doesn't necessarily "shut down" completely, and indeed
cannot be shutdown once opened.
40+ hours after raising K, I still have pain in my back and neck where the snake was, and I've found that applying a heating pad eases the pain. So it's definitely not "imagined" pain, but a real physical movement/displacement that occurs.
I feel much more "normalized" today (not so "spacey"). Every time I attempt to work my energy body, I feel as if it is already much "expanded" and already activated, rather than "running at idle" like it normally would. The right side of my neck where the serpent was is still fairly painful. I seem to require less sleep, and feel more energetic, but not to a huge degree.
Ah, but the subtler effects! I have been smoking cigarettes for about 30 years, and would often jokingly tell my wife, "When I die, bury me with a cigarette in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other". I had no intention of ever quitting...until now. Suddenly, now I am quitting smoking. I find that I have cravings for healthy foods, and in a very odd turn of events, I had a desire for a cup of herbal tea today! I
hate hot tea! LOL. Yet I wanted nothing more than to sit in the lotus position whilst sipping a cup of herbal tea, go figure (I also never sit in the lotus position). I found myself singing and dancing for no apparent reason, other than it "felt right" (I rarely sing and don't know how to dance). I found myself doing a dance from the 1920's! Then, again for no apparent reason (my body decided I needed exercise?), I began bouncing on the balls of my feet and shadow-boxing (I have never learned how to box, but the moves I was doing appeared to me to be just as good as any professional boxer). I have no explanation for this behavior, as I am normally a very subdued and "boring" type person.
I should add here that I deliberately sublimated the Ego and surrendered my Will to that of my Higher Self and whatever Destiny I may have. I do not argue the changes I find in myself, I just observe and accept. I am open to change, so these events are not unwelcome. That being said, I would imagine that the changes would happen regardless of my attitude (hence we see people who cannot deal effectively with K in many so-called "spontaneous" awakenings). If you are not prepared to give up your life, then it would be best to let sleeping snakes lie.
EDIT: It is a fairly widely held belief that past life and karmic information are stored in the chakras. Under this system, it is concievable that the awakening of K, and subsequent flow of K through the chakras is activating past-life memories subconsciously. Hence the out-of-character behavior and desires.
Pod3: Boydster gave several methods in his post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread with regard to forcing emergence of K.
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There are lots of ways that people use to "take heaven by force" which I believe is the inner meaning to this phrase, which is to force the raising of the Kundalini without regard to any commitment to true spiritual attainment or union with God. Some do it by having sex but teaching themselves to stop short of orgasm and forcefully willing the light up the spinal stalk and into the higher chakras. Others mentally focus on the base chakra and rupture the sheath by sheer will power. These people almost always get hurt pretty bad. Others have figured out ways to erode the sheath away by applying pranic energy to the base chakra which kind of burns the sheath away. This may be a little more gentle since it takes time, and you may get the benefit of numerous smaller releases which either cause you to smarten up and back away, or else it will have the effect of clearing the pathway by burning away dross a little more gradually. It will still hurt though, and if it gets out of control you're screwed.
For unknown reasons my Kundalini has ehh been acting up again 2 days ago .While i didnt experience any "medusa" thingys I think i learned what the so called "layers of kundalini" is .
When i was going to bed it became clear to me that it wasnt the standard kundalini maintenance/preparations activity that is always going on after kundalini becomes activ . I was somewhat worried about that since i realy dont want any major activity until i have plenty time off . But Ive do not activily influence Kundalini unless i feel im in a real crisis.
Anyway after i while of relaxing/observing i found a pattern to it. 1 area in my body that the energy feelings where definity strongest in. While im not sure i remember the sequence complety it went something like this: The bottom chacra to the spine to stomach ,further up the spine ,little lung/chest activity -then 3rd eye/crown activity.
Now The cryptic named "layers" i persive to be that when a sequence is completed it starts over. BUT there is a Amplitude diffrence in the emotions it brings with it(if not energy also but thats guessing[:D]) . Wich seem to grow almost exponetially for each sequence(or "layer") completed. I do not know the time it took for a full sequence to complete but i suspect 10-15 minutes (i also suspect it to be highly induvidual).
I ended the it after i experienced so much feelings in the lower chacra that i had a physical erh orgasm(lol no hands[:D]).Dont get me wrong i was in bliss in the rest of my body also [:P], I guess 2-3 hours had passed . I ended it with a sleeping pill (imovane).Wich i keep around to errh "hamper" my spiritual progress in emergencys.
Now 2 days later I recovered very nicely ,has been experiencing some hightened sences ,taste espessially but nothing majorly mystifistical[:)] , last year when the same happend i was knocked out for a month.Hmm also last year during the Kundalini activity the movement up the spine was very burny and painfull ,that was not the case now.
Just sweet bliss(after a while its like laying in a river of emotions). Exept for 1 part ,when it connects to the spine from the base chacra its pretty stingy like someone digs their nail right into it. But even so it seems my body is adapting to the input.
Perhaps a few more times i can see the how kundalini concludes naturally.
Yes, I have followed those instructions, where they apply, and am asking about the amount of power generated, because I beleive I have done this successfully with no drama.
To call this heat is like calling ki electricity. I see the similarities, but it is not a perfect example. A great deal of radiation was released, but it did not cause some of the physical burns or psychosis I've heard of.
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Yes, I have followed those instructions, where they apply, and am asking about the amount of power generated, because I beleive I have done this successfully with no drama.
To call this heat is like calling ki electricity. I see the similarities, but it is not a perfect example. A great deal of radiation was released, but it did not cause some of the physical burns or psychosis I've heard of.
So...Pod3, what's your conclusion then? Do you think that if you practiced some of the other, more boring, time consuming instructions you might get different results? I think I've read quite a few threads from different people here who recommend a different approach than to just sit down and attempt to pop the cork in one big explosion. Maybe you should thank God that the sheath held intact for your safety....
Tayesin, thanks for the comment on mental institutions. I've been aware of this little tidbit for a long time myself. I've seen estimates from spiritually minded psychiatrists and psychologists of 1/3 to 1/2 of all people in mental institutions being the unfortunate victims of premature Kundalini awakenings due to a variety of reasons--including experimentation.
Here are a few comments from people who have unleashed Kundalini without regard to the whole spiritual equation (aka: they thought they'd get lucky and it wouldn't hurt *them*)-----
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did not handle my psychosis well. My family put me in a mental hospital where they hit me with lots of drugs. I feel ruined now. Life provides no joy and I have not much desire to do anything. My family fought me bitterly over my Kundalini. Now I realize I was right and they were wrong. Too late now, I was so vulnerable then. Now I have less vulnerability but no pleasure from life ...I don't know what to do now."
"At age 20 a major Kundalini/Prana/Chi/energy burst to the brain essentially incapicitated me for many months. At the time I was very pessimistic about my future. Social welfare here I come! I was filled with a tremendous fear to venture out beyond my home or speak to anyone. I became jealous of everyone. My mind and body were pretty much useless except to lie down in a dark room confused. I was very ashamed of myself."
"During this time I got an acute psychosis, that is I lost control. This, however, only lasted for three weeks, and never came back. The current kept on flowing upwards, and when its power increased — and from time to time felt like burning fire and was very painful — it affected my health. It was like I was devoured from inside by this terrible energy, which roared through my body and caused a most unpleasant over-pressure in the brain."
"When the process of Kundalini had lasted in me for about ten years, I was too tired out to be able to earn a living on my own. I went to a doctor and said: "It is all crazy, my Kundalini has aroused. What shall I do?" And then I told him about my state.
"You are deeply psychotic", he said. "I will send you to a good psychiatrist. The energy you are talking about does not exist. You have serious misconceptions".
I got sick pay and later disability pension, with the diagnose paranoid schizophrenia, without first having been taken in for a mental examination. No doctor that I spoke to concerning my pension believed my talk about Kundalini."It's not that hard to find an endless amount of this stuff if you google well. Here is a very sage comment by one survivor:
"Without trying to sound biased, it's been my experience that kundalini yoga is best understood by Tibetan Buddhist practioners, in the sense that they contextualize the yoga within a greater system so as to not allow the method or means to eclipse the end (which is wisdom and compassion).
I truly believe that when a force is not harnessed for the purpose of some worthy end then it will cause havoc sooner or later."
My challenge to anyone who is willing to jump into this cauldron is, "what is your motivation for doing this?". The answer to this question really matters.
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<snip> Be kind and patient, prepare yourself for as much time as it will take you - even if it takes you a few decades of work - and the path will open before you with all its splendour, inviting you to walk it - for you will have truly earned that right by that time.
Love and light.
Beautiful--Thank You!! [:)]
Here is the method I used to start kundalini. No cryptic "rupture of seals" or any kind of that.
After reading countless letters of Kundalini "victims". There is 1 group that is overrepresented , that is meditiationpeople espessially those that enjoy TM (Trans..something..meditiation).
So why so many TM practioners ? I dunno ,i could hazard a guess that it is because of so many espessially in america do it.compared to other arts (it happens in diffrent yoga styles also) .
I also belive that it has something to do with the length of time spent in such a meditative state.
Wich brings us to me. I didnt know anything about any Kundalini at all ,hadnt even heard the word when i was trying to learn OBE.
And i wanted to learn it VERY much [:P].
So I spent several hours a day trying out the techniqes (espessially rope and doorway techniqes) . Then i got some time off from what im normally doing .And i made an atempt that lasted about 7 hours spent in deep trance/meditation . Then something happend and it was not OBE[;)].
I was experiencing odd feelings in my lower chacra(didnt know the word chacra either at that time) and it twarted my OBE atempt since i could not focus properly with thise emotions.
I explored the feelings for a while since they where highly pleasureble . Then woke up. The next day i tried again and after several hours the odd sensations came again , I Explored them this time also and they got much more intence . Then i woke up and guess what ,the feelings didnt dissepate.
I was in a odd state , couldnt sleep cause i didnt tire out ,even with a day of physical exercise . After 72 hours i called the docter and got some sleeping pills and some antiphycotics + a pchycolgist apointment.
But enough of that , anyone reading half this thread will know about the dangers .So they shant say they were unknowlegeble about it.
So to sum up the method : Put yourself into a state where it can happen(meditation) And wait there for a good while and do it often ,do not look for kundalini just wait , it will find you . Or in yet another wording ,OVERDO MEDITATION [:D].
And here is the best i kundalini "control" advise i can give .
Get sleeping pills Before trying this , imovane is a good brand wich has given me only poor taste the day after. This way you have a full month or so to get to terms with the new situation , before desiding on help from docters (wich is a poor idea,for anything else than pushing sleeping pills).
Ohh and I probably Cant help you with coping any more with kundalini than this last advise ,just so you know.
I spent about the last hour, looking through this thread, as I've been sidetracked from my energetic attachments, and as was put, let myself wallow inside my depressed thoughts. December was horrible for me, and I've spent the last 2 months getting out of my depression. I had an epiphany about myself and noticed that I really needed to start working on my life, as I have been slacking for a few years... I'm only 17 at the moment but I have been through a lot.
I've always been interested in raiseing my Kundalini, ever since hearing about it. When I did first hear about it, I felt a bit of a tug from myself to try and pursue Kundalini, as also what had happened when I first began looking into OBE's.... Over the past few years I have been working off and on, with developing my energy.
When I read some parts of this Thread, I felt compelled to share a part of myself with everyone, because thought being young, and inexerienced in a lot that deals with life, I've felt deep connections and learned a LOT of things that the 'average' teen normally wouldnt have access of wisdom to. I don't intend to be bragging... Maybe its an insecurity of mine to, try to have someone be able to connect with me and reveal to me parts of myself that I would like to understand. I understand that even if I was told I probobly wouldn't hold it in, and be able to apply any part of the information to my life yet, because its not the right time.... and that I'de only find it when intended.... But it's kindof fustrateing.... Oh well.. I'm sure most of you can understand atleast part of what I'm going through.. But yeah... What I felt compelled to show you guys was an excerpt from part of my LiveJournal entrees... ( a link to it is in my profile if anyone cares )....
If you'd rather not waste your time and check this out, By all means just skip ahead to the next post.
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" What must be done now that I am here.... But though I am here.. just how deep down have I dug, and how much farther could I go? Senses say, I can go on forever... and I believe it.... But just what am I talking about right now, and how relevent is it to others... Maybe a lot.... maybe nothing... Maybe its not my place to judge. I live in the darkness of the light my body takes in and applies... That would make me an abstract would it not? Too much to conform, yet still comparable to be categorized in the eyes of others.... My maze of thoughts leads me through a lot of space of empty thoughts, and broken false memories... Theres another idea to comprehend right there.... broken false memories.... is that to say that I've blinded myself and saw contortion, but have seen the reality and truth of it, and shattered the false impression for my better? its still here... still has root... most swept away by the light that makes me be abstract, to clense and heal me, yet still with some left attachment by me or it to linger and carry on for another day... What does the light have planned for me that it allows this clutter to continue on in me.... Should I remove it, or continue being the bystander I've let myself be? heh... Bystander - the opportune idealism to let go and observe.... This is what I've thought would help me deal with things.. If I were to watch and learn... then I'de be set.... But alas... Without action.... without takeing grasp again and becomeing the body that is to Project, something of which I've been wanting to do for years now... I see now that I must Grab those roots and remove them myself if I am to completely regain myself, to learn to re-aquaint myself and take control of that which eludes me..... Maybe I should think of this as a sort of game that I've intended to win for my life, but have only learned to press -Start- with, and my Prologue to be seen... Maybe thats how I can consider this... My observations have been the Opening sequence, and now that I am about to Press the start button, and enter Adulthood.... My True journey begins... How complex could I make this for myself.... Put use to the Labyrinth of which My active Minotaur NPC, can be my guide once more.... Now to find My Tutorial... Better yet.... I've always been wanting to know what my metaphorical "stats" have been through my life... Maybe I should continue to explore the depths of my mind again, but this time time action, and gain brownie points with myself, in removeing those roots... The light clears the wreckage but leaves what it can't handle... Maybe it's so weak to move through because there is so much reckage it can't... no... wont remove because that is the bear of what I must do for myself to grow and develop like I've always hoped to... aahh.. I see now, that my Minotaur can only help me in my own Labyrinth and removeing these falsities, gets me better prepared to take on, what is out of my inner depths, for when I do find myself exploreing the outside, I don't become overwhelmed again and cause more self aggrivations... Its all my fault and im still liveing my lie.... take bit by bit and regrow what I've damaged to myself and to the connections of all of those that I've previously known..... Let me work on something right now.... My own insanity is an illusion....... my last resort self defence mechanism to truely keep there, in a state of observation without control.... I'm glad my body had proper previous commands and morals to live by in my fault... ahh... yes... My own true, Truth in Fault... That is something I've desired to use on the moments that I felt I could... and now... its horboring is found.... " Tell me what you see, Am I what you need, Truth in Fault I see, You're broken in front of me "..... Ironic how I precognitize lyrics for myself , sometimes without completely understanding why, till moments like these... This isnt the first song that I speak to myself in words though.... but thats something else to talk about, that is not for this moment... I've found myself broken right on front of myself to find truth in my own act of mal-action. Now I tell myself that I am what I need to take control, because I see myself trying to hard to watch and control, and not being in the right 'place' to be, in order to do so.... HA!!.. I'm my own backseat driver!!... how amuseing... Again I find myself relating to music again... I am reminded of the song "Drive" by Incubus. This shall be my first mental action, to tell my confused childish "chaufer" to grow up, by becomeing the one who takes grasp of this metaphorical 'wheel' to take and steer, as the song would put. Now I hope to be "Leading with the right body" as the 'cure team' would put it in the newsletters from www.immunics.org ...... thinking it over, i find myself slightly amazed at how i managed to get this far, so positively, with letting go of the wheel, and haveing something or someone to be there for me to take control for me in my loss of faith in myself and all else.... wait.... thats another lie.... I don't think i've ever lost faith... I just tried takeing the easy way out of things, and stopped putting effort into things.... alright.... now that I have some more sorted out in myself, I think I will let myself clean the trash of what I illusion myself to continue to believe and tell others.... I'm decideing to do this now to atone for my lies, and truly ask for a major act of forgiveness from all of whom this may effect.... I've never actively tried to commit suicide, and though I have done things to illusion myself into believeing that I have, I now take grasp of this Viel, and Tear it off... I need the light in my life, and my shadow and darkness must be clensed if I am to control and develop what I want to do with myself..... thought Jokeing around to hang myself before, I've never attempted... I don't know wether or not my neck could withstand it, with however much I want to believe that I'm strong enough to do so... I've jumped from high places before and can simulate the sudden jerk and tugg of my body, in my mind to what i think would be an accurate degree.... and i now remive this illusion from my being....... I don't remember what I said or thought to believe for my second attempt at it, and I remove and clear this out of my life.... The third moment, of when I stated that I let myself fall from a high wall landing on concreted flat on my back, and haveing that feeling of something say that my body wont give up on me.... well.. That feeling has always been there, and i've come to recognize that though I might have let it slip from my complete control and done bad things to it, I love myself and plan to restore and recover from the things i've done to myself... And as for the illusion for the falling... I've taken a couple of leaps of faith before with flipping off of things or jumping from high places, and landing with a thud before, so it seems it was easy for me to believe that I could have done that, even the mental imagery and the feelings, and thoughts of it.... These are false, and I remove these from myself now..... :: takes a deep breath and prays for forgiveness, upon wanting for atone for his sins against everything he's done that delt with his lies towards others, and asks for help upon attempting to better himself and all others, so that he may find himself on the path he was intended to partake upon in this life :: ..... Theres more that I must say, now that I have the opportunity.... I have heard things, aswell as thought to have heard things before, but I never had objective voices in the manner that i seemed to speak of before... Curtio and Damina.... Though these names did randomly come to me, the voices that I spoke to have had, we're my own thoughts. So confused and so willing to be illusioned, upon not being able to focus my maze of thoughts i always had, I led myself to speak that I had voices, when my own wandering thoughts and powerful emotions produced feelings that every person may go through at one point or another. These emotions confused me and I had to put a label on them somehow.... with the feminine thoughts leading on physical attraction towards guys, aswell as other thoughts that could be labeled as female in today's world, I set down as hearing myself as Damina.... With the Uber-masculine thoughts and cockyness, and other overly male-sterotypical things, I labeled as being from Curtio. With all of the Mental clutter I found myself fighting in my own mind, against myself, and illusioned it to be of them going back and forward at eachother... All of this happeneds while I find myself trying to let go and take that backseat, to observe and not be caught in the middle, to escape certain negative thoughts and emotions.... But something that I personally feel is true, is the dark part of me, and the being that haunts me every now and again... Because of being so weak and spread so thin in mental control with all of these things going on at once.... I think something found me a prime target to take advantage of, expecially with the onslaught of emotional, physical, and mental distress I tried either copeing with or escapeing, from school life, and home life..... aswell as the online life i found myself to be part of, also adding to my list of feelings and lessons learned decades ahead of time... The Pain i felt was real in my life... everything that I felt was real... the experiences put up to explain them to modern society, in part were false... but the sensations were infact real, and that wont be taken away from me, nomatter what any mortal sais, to prove me wrong... I too am only mortal, but I've had my fair share of true experiences, nomatter what the source of it be, and its because I embrace this fact, that I may act as proud as I do, when I speak of myself, because though it most likely isnt my place to judge lives with circumstances, I still have my faults, and I what I find is that within the frame of life that I've had, compared to the actions i hear about from others at thier worst.... It may not be to the extreme that I've been through myself, and I act accordingly to my thoughts on it, and try and help with whatever I can, because in the sense of 'do unto others as you would have done to you' I would have GRATEFULLY and GLADDLY accepted any sort of the type of comfort, I think I try to offer and share with others..... I still fight myself and the 'demon' shall i put it, that plagues me, because I absolutely KNOW that it is real. My time to train again, to fight back has arrived and now I must do what i can, to 'earn brownie points', in myself to strengthen and develop the traits and qualities needed to do what I need to do.
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If you are one of the people that I have told these stories to... yes... I now understand and admit that I Lied directly to you all to explain a part of myself that i never would let myself figure out, or that I was too ashamed to say otherwise too... I only wanted to relate what feelings i've been through, to somehow feel close enough to help... I understand my mistake, and i accept whatever emotions or feelings and words you might decide to curse me with. Tonight I let go of a MASSIVE insecurity and have allowed myself to finally take any punishment and responcibility for haveing decieved you all. I am of love... I am of hate... I am of that which I cannot fully comprehend yet.... And I strive to be of truth, aswell... I've spoken some major truth in this post, although the beginning may have been of 'deep thoughted incoherency'..... I am who I am, and we are who we are... I'm beginning to really work for my betterment, and I hope at the least you can appreciate or respect, atleast that much of me.
With much love, and acceptance..... The true, Theodore..... "
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In this I had an opening to the truth in my life, And I feel it has been a small but pivitol step in my life, towards what I have in store for myself.
This may have not been much to do with the Original Kundalini thread.... But Kundalini is something in the back of my mind that I aim on trying to develop a connection with. I have a subtle understanding of what I am doing with my life, but its nowhere near what I would like to be grasping of myself. Maybe its my mind feeling a vacuume in itself for the abilities my soul has developed but hasnt quite established in this body... or maybe I'm still unsure of what it is that I really want.... But the things spoken about, by Boydster, about the self and what you should have worked through already before leaping headstrong into Kundalini.... I could relate to some of them, with haveing touched part of them, already, though being so young. I'm not sure... I'm just babbling at this point... I'm just trying to figure things out still i guess... one last thing... When He stated that the Heart Chakra was a comman connection of the two, and that Love was something that you should accept into it as much as you can, or something like that... Love has always been a integral part of my existance and dureing some of the posts I would feel the urge to summon energy inside of myself.. interestingly enough it comes in short warm and tingly waves from the bottom of my spine, along my back and into my head, and usually through my back and shoulders into my arms and hands.... Oh well...
If I would only hear myself trying to help guide me through this all... heh... oh well.
Take care, and much love...
OK, It's like this. I think of, from Blavatski's writings, the idea combining of the upper and lower fires. It could depend, but you should find seven shells around each chakra as connection points. (It is beleived that there are seven energy bodies joined at the chakras, actually 49 in number.) So, we imagine the shells mentioned here as being blockages around the chakras and just will them gone.
Then, the fires mix. From my experience, this is doublespeak for consolidating your higher ideals with physical drives. Sure, you'd go crazy if you cannot reconcile these things, and making up your mind is the only way to perfom majickal feats of faith. But vital energies may melt or even vaporize negs. Now, I hear of people burning THEMSELVES with it?
Now, for me, these reconciliations have forced me to deal with a few recurring illnesses, which I now know to have been psychosomatic. Considering myself, if some peculiar leprosy were to befall someone, or if they were to spontaneously combust, would these things not be the forceful externalizations of some serious masochism?
Aren't the serpents flying out of peoples' heads totemic, and the ectoplasm secondary?
Based on my experience with kundalini the experience tends to be in alignment with what you and your life situation happens to be at the time it rises.
For the most part it rises when it rises and anything you do has almost negligible effect on it. The actual techniques are numerous but all seems to me boil down to allowing te energy to take its course.
What matters in the instant it does rise is how well you are balanced with your physical being and your spritual reality. Any hangups, repressed areas of personality etc. are likely to cause glitches in the process that willlead to many of the negative sumptoms attributes to kundalini. It's not the energy but the conduit that causes turbulence. Think of flowing water in pipes and you'll get the idea.
Imho, what the different techniques do is help you get more balanced both physically and spiritually. Not perfect or even good, but balanced in the sense that you've acknowledged the characteristics that describe you at any moment and feel in a sense unified. Not a collection of traits and states of being but a whole, an evolving process.
The reason behind the warnings against "raising kundalini too early/to quickly...." is exactly that. When you force something you tend to neglect essential parts of your being thus creating severe imbalances that will eventually be brought to head when the energy does start to flow. The energy itself isn't the culprit.
As for the physical sensations associated with the raising of kundalini I believe they depend strongly on the persons level of balance at the time and how and for what reason he/she is looking to evolve in the directin that causes kundalini to be triggered. This again hints at the idea of an integrated and well balanced person feeling less of the symptoms than someone who is not prepared, adjusted and expecting the energy.
A bit late for this sort of thinking but that's how I've come relate to kundalini. I hope it helps.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Yes! I believe anything called upon by fear would naturally be dispelled by self confidence. As accidental raisings are caused by people forgetting themselves, this will look to me like so much fancy-talk -- until I'm shown otherwise by prashakti.
The more incomprehensible things I learn to comprehend, the more I think there is a comprehensible reason for everything.
Any news from Targa ?? I'm still watching this post closely and look forward for his experiences with kundalini !
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Originally posted by jilola
Based on my experience with kundalini the experience tends to be in alignment with what you and your life situation happens to be at the time it rises.
For the most part it rises when it rises and anything you do has almost negligible effect on it. The actual techniques are numerous but all seems to me boil down to allowing te energy to take its course. [snip]
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Hi Jouni,
I've talked to a quite a number of people for whom this is true. For whatever reason, they wake up one day and find themselves permanently stuck on "Mr Frog's Wild Ride". All they can do is try to ground themselves and learn tricks to get sleep at night, etc. Some live as semi-invalids, unable to hold down jobs. Others, although previously not involved with spiritual concepts, become deeply spiritual people.
There is another type of Kundalini activity though, and I find myself in this catagory. The fire below doesn't move unless I summon it, and it takes some considerable will power and concentration to do it. It is a type of yoga, I guess. I've never learned any real yoga from anyone, but what I've developed over about a 20 year period is a type of yoga which is very deliberate and benefits from years of constant practice.
I'd like to think that this second type of Kundalini activity is how it's supposed to be. I can't imagine that it's natural or intended by our Creator that people live with this painful, out-of-control thing raging inside ones body. As I said, I've met a number of people for whom this is the case and my heart goes out to them for their trials.
I believe that you'll find a lot more instances of the former type when perusing public data. My theory on this is that those people are usually looking for help with a problem they can barely understand. The latter group are usually quietly going about their business, usually under the tuteledge of a master who guides and protects them. It is also generally true that you'll find those from the latter group are the ones warning people away from playing with Kundalini, having experienced it enough to understand the enormous long term discipline and sacrifice necessary to stay safe and sane.
Sorry about the delay, Kalonek. [:)]
OK, so it's been approximately three weeks since I awoke kundalini, and here's my update:
I found that I rather quickly lost my focus on things metaphysical. Prior to this, I was practicing energy body work and avidly reading and studying about chakras, energy cords, lucid dreaming, OBE's, etc. After the first several days I found myself concentrating more on watching television, working around the house, etc. I believe this has to do with a subconscious desire to ground myself and "come back down to earth" or "get my head out of the clouds", so-to-speak. I have not completely stopped energy body work, meditation, and those things, but they are much more moderated.
I am experiencing acute insomnia from kundalini. During the daytime I feel fine, but when I relax in bed and am getting drowsy, I begin to feel "waves" of energy that flow up from the root chakra to the crown chakra approximately every 3-5 minutes. While it does not produce headaches as described by some other sufferers, it does have the effect of making me feel "wired", as if I've just had 5 cups of strong coffee.
I have primarily been focusing on developing the third eye, but as of yet have not experienced anything out of the ordinary. I have, however, had a number of very interesting dreams. In one dream, for example, I had a conversation with Reorx (sp?), a Diety from a different world/universe as mentioned in a popular fantasy novel.
Overall, other than insomnia and quitting smoking, I am pretty much the same person that I was prior to this experience. I should mention though, that there have been times when kundalini (energy/vibration/failure to adapt?) pushed me to the very edge of sanity, and I could almost literally sense the thin borderline of sanity/insanity.
Also, I still get pains on the right side of my neck where the "snake" was/is.
I wonder, has anyone tried prosac or valium or something similar to deal with this? Currently I'm having to take 1mg of Xanax per night, which is too much IMO.
I also wonder at what, exactly, this kundalini energy is doing, if anything? On the one hand, you might think that this "power of God" constantly flowing into your head would somehow transform you, or at least the way you think. But on the other hand, there are those people who have been dealing with the negative effects of kundalini for years, and none of them seem to be any more enlightened than when they started out.
On the whole, if I had to do it over again, I'm 50/50. Based on the fact that I've been able to quit a lifelong habit/addiction to tobacco, it's been a good thing. If not for that, however, I would wish I didn't do it. My advice: Heed all the warnings, and allow kundalini to be raised in its own time, without any forcing. Grounding does help, but not alot, and does not prevent nighttime flow of kundalini energy.
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Noxerus, do have links or explanations for those stages please?
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I believe that you'll find a lot more instances of the former type when perusing public data. My theory on this is that those people are usually looking for help with a problem they can barely understand. The latter group are usually quietly going about their business, usually under the tuteledge of a master who guides and protects them. It is also generally true that you'll find those from the latter group are the ones warning people away from playing with Kundalini, having experienced it enough to understand the enormous long term discipline and sacrifice necessary to stay safe and sane.
I agree completely. The only disagreement I have with your post is that I believe the energy in both instances is the same but the person experiencing it is better attuned to energies and hus has much greater control over it.
2cents & L&L
jouni
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Sorry about the delay, Kalonek. [:)]
No problem ;) I was just getting a bit worried about your health after all this ! I'm glad you're still alive ! [:D]
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I also wonder at what, exactly, this kundalini energy is doing, if anything? On the one hand, you might think that this "power of God" constantly flowing into your head would somehow transform you, or at least the way you think. But on the other hand, there are those people who have been dealing with the negative effects of kundalini for years, and none of them seem to be any more enlightened than when they started out.
From what i know, the kundalini rising has a long term effect in the way that it gives you a higher level of consciousness over the years and better understanding of the world(s). I think that people with the negative effects result from an accidental rising of the kundalini, which they didn't want, and therefore people who even don't know what is happening and just want it to stop. I think you should let the things calm down, as you said by grounding yourself into "normal" life, the time for you spinal pathway to become wide and developped enough to handle with the kundalini without the bad after effects at night etc. I guess that boydster could give you some good advice on this. Anyway, i sincerely hope everything will get stabilized and fine for you very soon ! Let us know with some reports like this, i look forward for them !
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On the whole, if I had to do it over again, I'm 50/50. Based on the fact that I've been able to quit a lifelong habit/addiction to tobacco, it's been a good thing. If not for that, however, I would wish I didn't do it. My advice: Heed all the warnings, and allow kundalini to be raised in its own time, without any forcing. Grounding does help, but not alot, and does not prevent nighttime flow of kundalini energy.
Again, i hope everything will progressively calm down, which is logical for me. Although i didn't rise my kundalini, i agree with your advice. It's why i want to have a energetic body well developped and freed from all blockages, before attempting anything to big. And in any case i'll wait at least 10 years from now to do this, even if i think i'm prepared. Better be overprepared ;)
I look forward for your next "health" reports !
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I also wonder at what, exactly, this kundalini energy is doing, if anything? On the one hand, you might think that this "power of God" constantly flowing into your head would somehow transform you, or at least the way you think. But on the other hand, there are those people who have been dealing with the negative effects of kundalini for years, and none of them seem to be any more enlightened than when they started out.
Hi Targa!!
This is an interesting issue you bring up. What exactly is the nature of enlightenment? And how does one attain it?
You seem to be asking why it is that many of the people who experience an unleashed Kundalini apparently don't find enlightenment, or at least your idea of enlightenment.
I'd like to explain my own definition of enlightenment, which may not resemble that of anyone else, but here it is:
Each of us has a thread of energy/consciousness leading from our divine monad or individualized God Presence which terminates inside our heart chakras. It feeds us the energy which animates our physical bodies and is broken at death. But it is also our ultimate source for attaining enlightenment via the development of this channel, which allows us to share in the consciousness of our higher self or God Presence. By placing our attention on this higher self for long periods of meditation and devotion, we develop and enlarge this relationship which allows more and more of the energy and consciousness of the higher self to manifest within us. Ultimately, but only after quite a bit of work and right decisions, one becomes the perfect outpicturing and manifestation of the higher self--this is, in occult terms what is called adeptship, and is a pretty good definition of enlightenment.
For most people who are going to make it on this path, the Kundalini part is something that just happens down the road and according to a divinely ordained timetable. Kundalini is not *the road* though. Even more to the point, starting with the premise of Kundalini as "the path" to enlightenment is putting the cart before the horse. It is the relationship with ones higher self that is the goal, and progress in this direction (through much meditation, prayer, etc.) is what makes the heart chakra to be like a mighty magnet--the magnet which pulls energy down from above, and which also pulls the Mother Light up from the base chakra. The meeting of the two polarities of energy at the heart chakra are what gives birth to the adept or Christ Consciousness in man.
I wouldn't be too surprised if someone leaves out the "years of meditation on God" part and fails to find enlightenment. If people raise the Kundalini and then spend all of their time and attention on mundane things, they'll probably be reaping all the inconvenience and pain of Kundalini but gain very few of the benefits. It's the firmly established connection to the Lodestone of the God Presence which is the first goal and the key to everything. That's the place to start.
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Originally posted by jilola
I agree completely. The only disagreement I have with your post is that I believe the energy in both instances is the same but the person experiencing it is better attuned to energies and hus has much greater control over it.
2cents & L&L
jouni
No disagreement here. I think you're right.
The "much greater control" part is the million dollar trick. And my opinion is that without a sponsoring master or a very slow, controlled development (like decades...), most people are likely to get completely derailed.
I especially sorrow for those who rupture the casing containing the Kundalini so that She comes and goes regardless of ones wishes and at any hour of the day or night. When I watch the Kundalini move within me, it appears as though the layered sheaths gently unfold like a flower opening. And when She retires to Her home in the base chakra, the sheath closes again and stays that way unless I will it open. This, I believe, is a grace and benefit of allowing things to happen naturally instead of forcing things. And it is a small part of the puzzle with respect to the "much greater control" you mentioned.
Another part of the "much greater control" is the factor of untransmuted appetites. Addictions and uncontrolled desires will get magnified out of normal proportion when Kundalini is present. It's best to clear and master all this stuff before thinking of embarking on the steep part of the climb.
Hi all. Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but I haven't been in the forums in a while and I thought that I should come make a final post...if only for the sake of education for those who might be considering a K-raising attempt.
After approximately 4-5 weeks had gone by, I was completely back to normal. I haven't been doing any energy-body work or K-raising attempts since the first awakening. My life has returned completely to the same routine as before I started energy-body work. All pain, insomnia, and associated symptoms have vanished. For all intents and purposes, it's as though it never happened. My thinking and philosophy has not changed. I am not a "different person" (either thinking process or personality-wise).
Here, in my opinion, is the process I went through:
If you've studied metaphysics, or even just plain physics, for any length of time you've no doubt heard the term "vibrational rate". Everything has its own vibrational rate. Higher beings are said to be at high vibrations, with we humans being lower-vibrational entities. Emotions have their own vibrations also, with love being high and physical pleasure being lower. Kundilini is a very high-vibration energy. When you awaken it and unleash it within yourself, you're essentially forcing your system into a very high vibration/operation mode. To use a crude analogy: it's like being on speed all the time.
The part where I mentioned feeling as if I was on the borderline of sanity/insanity resulted from my brain being forced to function at a vibratory rate that it not only was not used to, but is at the very upper limit of what a physical being can tolerate. Being at a high vibratory rate had its advantages, of course. I felt awesome physically, and I felt a very real feeling of love from very simple things...such as when my wife would pull her car in the driveway after work.
As I immersed myself in my attempt at grounding, my vibratory rate slowly and steadily declined. At one point, I became very interested in the sensual nature of being a human. Many people state that sexuality is a pitfall and a "base desire", yet my experience shows me that sensuality is actually not the lowest of vibrations. You can descend even lower and slower, at which point your mind becomes more preoccupied with society and sloth. By that I mean that the focus shifts to money, working around the house, watching TV and playing computer games, etc. I believe that this is because these "lowest things" have very little or no meaning in the scheme of life. The countless hours spent watching TV, thinking or worrying about money (and bills), playing computer games, etc... are all hours of your life that are virtually wasted on self-centeredness and self-indulgence. At least with sensuality I was sharing a physical expression of love with another person.
At any rate, I do not wish to present my case as a typical case, because everyone is unique. But for me, Robert Bruce's warnings about being prepared to take a year off to deal with the awakening of kundilini were far from accurate. I found that by immersing myself in day-to-day earthly living (working around the house, watching TV, etc...), I was able to fairly quickly mitigate the effects of kundilini. Only the first couple of weeks were tough. Between weeks 3-5 I went from great to normal.
Even if I never raise K again, I'm glad I did it. This is yet another metaphysical experience I can add to my knowledge, and I'm sure I gained insight and wisdom from it. Also, I know how to do it, and I know it's always there if I ever feel the need or desire to raise it again.
In closing, I'd like to add a little something that I've learned over the years that's not really related to kundilini: We come to this 3-dimensional world, inhabit physical bodies, and have "amnesia" about who we are and where we came from for a very good reason. There's an old Christian saying: "Don't be so heavenly-minded that you're no earthly good". This rings true for me in another sense. There are millions of people who are attempting to be "spiritual" and ignore "physical temptations". Well, we came here with the express purpose of experiencing the limitations of being human, so we should explore it. It would make no sense for a spirit-being to say, "I'm going to incarnate as a human so I can learn some things" and yet as soon as he or she becomes human they spend all their time trying desperately to forget who they are, where they are, and keep their eyes on heaven.
In other words, people should not despair that they are not like Jesus, Buddha, or any other so-called "enlightened" person. You are who you are for a reason, and you're meant to learn from your life's situations. Whether it's through grief at the loss of a loved one, learning to become balanced in your thinking, learning compassion, or whatever. Your higher self and your spirit guides will always place you in situations where you have the opportunity to grow spiritually. Don't worry about whether or not you're doing the right thing. Your conscious mind isn't aware of the reason(s) for your incarnation, is not privy to this information, and is therefore not accountable for placing itself in "spiritual growth circumstances". ie: YOU are not in control, but rather just a passenger who's along for the ride. The key thing is to carefully examine the major crises in your life, or major decisions you make (especially themes that repeat), and try to determine what you're doing wrong, and how you need to change your thinking so you can move past that lesson and on to the next one.
This is getting a bit lengthy, and really beyond the scope of this thread, but I feel it's also important to mention karma at this point. The way our lives are planned (and I have seen this first-hand in my own life and those of my family), is that we try to deal with negative karma early in our lives, which allows us to quickly move on to the "progressing" phase of our lives. A major example of this for me was that I apparently had a past life wherein I loved this person WAY too much. It was more like obsession, where I worshipped the ground she walked on. I met her in this life when I was 16, and immediately picked up where I had left off. ie: I was instantly madly in love, and KNEW that I knew this person from sometime before I was born. Eventually over a few years, I was forced to make the decision to NOT be obsessed and leave this person in my past. Many overweight people have ridiculed overweight people in past lives...hence they will NOT be able to lose weight in this life until they learn compassion. It's said that epilepsy is the result of a previous life spent in hedonism and gross sensuality. In essence, we must first deal with leftover issues (bad karma) before we can move on.
Anyways...I probably won't be around the forum, so best of luck to all of you.
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Originally posted by Targa
Hi all. Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but I haven't been in the forums in a while and I thought that I should come make a final post...
Hey thanks so much for 1) sharing this 2) topping this topic....My spleen sponteously activated while reading these old posts! [;)]
Interesting concept of how earthly things like 'watching tv' contains lower frequencies...No wonder TV makes me sleepy, unless it's very funny stuff. [;)]
I read Robert Bruce's "Catch Basket Concept" and he mentioned Kundalini (I think that's right). When I tried to look this up I couldn't find anything that teaches how to do it. It's "said" that it can be dangerous to raise your kundalini if you do not have a teacher to guide you. But heck, I live in America, and highly doubt I will find a "guru" of sorts to teach me. I just want to learn what it's all about and some techniques for doing it. I accept all the risks. Anyone out there familiar with this that is willing to share your kundalini raising techniques with me?