Any electrical engineers out there?

[James S]

Hi Kristen,

I'm a computer/electronics engineer so hopefuly that's close enough http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

As both the physical and energy bodies are connected and are both "energy driven", there must be some fundamental relationship between the two, but any answer I could give here would just be theory and conjecture.  Here's what I do know (just the facts ma'am):

You're correct, the human body is basically an electrical device. All our muscles, organs etc. are connected through the nervous system which is driven electrically. A nerve impulse can be measured for voltage, though that voltage is in the region of microvolts to milivolts, at very very low amperage.

Like any electrical device, we generate an electromagnetic field, which can be referred to as a bioelectric field. It's a small one but its there, and needs rather specialised & sensitive devices, such as a biomagnetometer to be seen. Other devices such as biofeedback monitors and kirlian photography devices, rely more on what's called Galvanic Response from the skin, which is a function of both the skins electrical resistance (or conductance as you correctly mentioned) and capacitance (its ability to store or hold an electrical charge). The general health of the body as well as moods can cause variations in the skins galvanic response, which can allow some form of basic health diagnosis using these methods.

The energy body cannot be registered on any device, although the closest science has come to this is a SQUID (Superconductive QUantum Imaging Device) where a skin or blood sample can be put into the device, and it is able to measure the "life energy" of that sample, which can help detect possible diseases in the sample. Other than this, the energy body cannot be measured by any device, certainly not by any "aura camera" which uses galvanic response coupled with pre-programmed image processors.

The closest theory I can give as to the makeup of the energy body is that it is basically electromagnetic energy that is working at a much higher frequency than any instruments can measure. Though as has been found that an EM field detector is able to detect the presence of spirit energy (ghosts can be detected), but the exact nature of the EM energy can't be determined.

From what my study so far into metaphisics has shown me so far, it seems that it is the health and strength of the energy body that directly determines the condition of the physical body. The mind/brain and possibly the heart seem to be the main links between the two bodies.

Hope that give you a little info without too much confusion.

James S

- You don't choose the belief, the belief chooses you!

[kifyre]

Studying electrical engineering for three years. Does that count? [}

If you take the physical world to be a construct, "not-real," then how would it manifest from non-physical reality?

I think the connection between physical and non-physical lies at the quantum level. If you go below the microscopic, atomic, sub-atomic level, you know how people tell you that atoms are mostly empty space? Well that pure emptiness, that void, is actually not very empty at all. It's seething with infinite energy.

In my understanding, this is can be called the "zero-point field." Why the zero, and why do most people think empty space is empty? Because all this energy averages out, there's always a balance. If you take a positively charged object and a negatively charged object and you put them next to each other, you can measure both a positive and negative electric field if you swing your sensor from side to side. Now, back off 20 feet (or whatever) and try again, you sensor will measure electrically neutral--at some distance the two charges cancel each other out, you can't see the variation. So this froth of energy, is made up of particles continuously getting created and annihilated in matching pairs and probably all sorts of other weird stuff. Sometimes, given "random" chance the particles don't annhilate. All sorts of stuff can happen. I think this "void/field" all around us, permeating us is the link or barrier between physical reality and non-physical reality.

Now, two more points. Our bodies seem to be specially constructed to interface with this field, and we can influence this field with conscious intent. You might want to read "The Physics of Consciousness" by Evan Walker. He provides convincing evidence that neurons in the brain rely on quantum effects, electron tunneling to actually function. Another researcher reports a previously undiscovered fine network of nerves running through all parts of the body and all organs. It seems likely that the quantum level plays a more active role in the human body than anyone could have previously believed.

But these quantum effects are random, right? How could our brain rely on inherent quantum uncertainty to function? I believe this is the key point though. This inherent quantum uncertainty, this possibility that anything can happen is what allows our consciousness to manifest through from non-physical reality. Because the fact of the matter is, there is coherence. We control our bodies, we make choices, we change reality through conscious intent. The non-deterministic base of physical reality allows us to manifest our consciousness and intent within it.

It doesn't stop at our bodies though, please see "Reinventing Medicine" by Larry Dossey(sp?) for a summary of study after study of double blind research showing how human intent, prayer, meditation, can affect the growth of bacteria, healing of wounds, random chance events like coin flipping, etc. (Also see http://www.princeton.edu/~pear)

I should also mention that in, in my understanding literally anything is possible, just highly improbable. It's possibly that your computer keyboard could vanish and reappear on the other side of the room. The universe would have to live itself over several times before something so unlikely actually happened, but given current scientific theory, this is actually recognized as possible. (This opens a lot of doors, right? Probability override through focused intent and application of energy...PK, magic, etc...)

Light and sound, colors and frequencies, energy vibrations and matter vibrations, go right through the physical to the non-physical. Because it's all the same stuff.

Several ignored research studies have confirmed that measurable electromagnetic energy is emitted from the chakras during meditation. (Someone please help me out here. That "bitter-guy-who-never-got-published" has bibliographic references. There's also a doctor out there who has information on her site.)

Going back to structure of the energy body, I think the reality of life is probably much more complicated than anyone has really imagined. Barbara Ann Brennan, author of "Hands of Light," healer, gifted clairvoyant, and former atmospheric engineer for NASA(?) can clearly see and works extensively with a many-layered energy body that maintains the physical body's incarnate existence. (Guess we'd all better start working on that auric site so we can see if she's right! She's got hundreds of illustrations depicting what she sees in her books. She's also in close contact with a guide, Heyoan by name...) She also references research studies claiming a field of ionized physical particles surrounding the human body...

Anyway, I believe the highly structured energy body as well as our consciousness interfaces with physical reality through the subtle quantum level. The human body is specially designed to work with this non-physical structure through physical constructs (nuerons, etc.) that can be more easily influenced by quantum effect. But it's probably a lot more complicated than that. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Mark

[Kristen]

Hi guys -

Wow - lots of information.... lots of books to read .... my favorite thing.

For the sake of illustrating to my non-physics trained understanding (LOL)... lets say you were faced with an electrical system that you wanted to neutralize - drain off/ground out/short  -  trip the fuse of  if you will before other things shorted out.... what variable in the Ohm's law equation would you input the appropriate value to do so?

There is an equation - P(power)I(intensity)E(electromotive force)R(resistance)....  see http://www.contractorcafe.com/ohms_course.htm for where I'm getting my allegory here....

I'm looking for the pattern that can be manipulated and applied in a multitude of electrical "situations".... the more simplified for the purposes of illustration and at the same time the most applicable to concrete reality the better (the better for me to visualize, comprehend, and do mental math with).... pretend I'm a student taking your couse in electrical systems with a view toward wiring applications applicable to home building.... or, pretend I am wanting to build a circuit board that didn't draw electricity off the system it was hooked up to such that it fried it.

Thanks for your free course guys.....

KB

[James S]

Umm...Er...

I'm a little confused as to where you're going with you're analogies, but I'll at least give you an answer to the last part of your question, assuming I understand it correctly.

If you had a circuit that you wanted to connect to mains without risk of frying it you would limit the ammount of Amps it can draw (this equates to the P - the intensity). You can do this by using a Fuse which is designed to stop the amperage from going too high by burning out if it does, or you can use a resistor across the supply which cuts down the intensity.

Kristen, would you be able to expand your thoughts for me a bit?
You're on to something interesting here, and I've often though to explore it a little more myself. I think I can leave the high-tec gadetry out of any further explanations if you want.



James S

- You don't choose the belief, the belief chooses you!

[Kristen]

Hi James -

Sorry about my confusing analogies - I am obviously not an electrician : )...  I can't visualize how the relationships work themselves out yet and therefore cannot see all the potential applications and how it all works - I have just have an intuition, thus my questions....

basically - I want to short out hurtful energy.... turn it off.... neutralize it... fry it, scatter it, block it, send it into an infinite loop and lock it in there harmlessly turning in circuit... whatever is most appropriate, applicable and just in context.  While this site is full of metaphysically minded folks - I'm still going to come off as a wierd sister to some by clearly stating my intentions - but there it is weird or not.

So - PIRE seems to be a promising analogy for exploration....  I want to understand its ramifications/possibilities.

KB http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_blush.gif" border=0>

[James S]

My weird sister, you're intentions seem just fine to me! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
I too tend to understand metaphysical concepts better if I look at them in the light of a physical concept.

Kristen, now that I look at you're reasoning you are on the right track. The answer is definitely to do with resistance. Keep going with your intuition

In electrical circuits resistance can be used to not only reduce, if not completely cut off the intensity (Amps), but also the electromotive force (volts) depending on how they are situated.

This will also provide a workable principle with EM fields, which is what we are really working with in terms of harmful energies. resistance equates to shielding here. Like a resistor, EM shielding can either act as a filter, to only allow certain radiation to pass through, or it can completely block it.

Also to take this further, like electrical resistance, EM shielding works best when it is grounded. If you wish to visualise a shield that can protect you against negative energy, imagine the energy hitting the shield, but not just bouncing off, but being trapped by it and then forced to the ground.

In the physical world,  electricity or EM energy that is grounded is instantly made harmless.
In the metaphysical world, bad energy that is grounded is not only made harmless, but the earth can recycle it and release it again as good energy.

How does this work for you?


James S

- You don't choose the belief, the belief chooses you!

[Kristen]

Hey James -

Sorry its taken me forever and a day to respond to your last post here - I've been sidetracked a tad.

I'm going to be studying and experimenting with these ideas so I'll let you know how it works...

Take care and thanks again for your responses!

Kristen

[Kristen]

Hi all -

I've got a question that I don't even know the boundaries of in order to ask it correctly but here goes -

The human body is electrical.... I wonder about the energetic relationship between the various aspects of the energy body and the physical body, starting with physical laws  - (power, intensity, electromotive force and resistance..... Ohms law)... I figure that the condition of electrical conductance (correct terminology is what?) in the physical body will have a relationship with the capacity of the energy body.....

any thoughts folks?

-KB