Intro, OBEs and NEW q's

[Kalonek]

Hi Blake ! Welcome on the forum !

quote:Originally posted by blakera

OK, first things first, I want to be sure I'm practising NEW right.  I did NO energy raising but just cleared pathways (ie brushing/sponging up and down toes... legs, etc) for almost 3 weeks or so before moving on to the two part full body circuit.  Did I wait long enough before moving on to energy raising?  I've now been doing the energy raising for 3 weeks.

Firstly, you did well by first clearing the energy pathways, and you it should be your primary focus for the next weeks/months, with the development of your secundary system. Secondly, rasing energy since only a few weeks ago, after having removed the biggesy blockages, was a good idea too But anyway it'll take some time before you raise more energy than the enegy spent in the raising action, so just continue like this and in a few weeks you'll be all right.

quote:Originally posted by blakera

I'm doing the recommended program from this site which involves 2 thirty minute sessions a day, does that sound like a good thing for me to do at this point?  Does the thirty minute time period include prestimulation?  (I'm currently using every exercise there is that could be used for prestimulation/clearing before going on to the two part circuit does this sound OK?)

The 2 30 minutes sessions is a good idea, you will do quick progress with this. However you can do more if you want too. During the last year i've done it for like 2-3h a day, every time i was sitting. There's no limit. And yes the 30 minutes include prestimulation, as it is an important part of the thing.

quote:Originally posted by blakera

OK, my next question is whether or not I'm supposed to directly stimulate my primary chakras.  In Astral Dynamics Bruce mentions it but on the training instructions on this sight he doesn't seem to mention it and says that filling the sub-brow or heart storage centers directly is not recomended.  When should I start with this primary work if I am in fact supposed to so it at all.

I would suggest that you wait another month or two, maybe more (you'll see by yourself) before starting some big job on the primary centres. The effects are far more dramatic than the secondary centres, so if i were you i'll wait so that all my pathways are cleared as well as my major blockages, and that my secondary circuit is well developped. I have done the "error" to stimulate them too soon, and i think i would have progressed more quickly and avoided some troubles by waiting. And also the work on the secondary circuit stimulates gently the primary circuit, so it's good too to break the first blockages on them.

I hope i have answered your questions
See you

Kalonek

[blakera]

Thank you Kalonek.  I will take your advice and you did answer my questions.  I have one more question for now:  Where can I read more about NEW?  I've read Astral Dynamics and the stuff on this site, but is there anywhere besides that that I can get information?  

quote:Secondly, rasing energy since only a few weeks ago, after having removed the biggesy blockages, was a good idea too But anyway it'll take some time before you raise more energy than the enegy spent in the raising action, so just continue like this and in a few weeks you'll be all right.

I feel lucky in that I feel like I've been seeing results for quite some time now.  The first time I did an energy raising session, my sex-drive increased to the point of being a problem.  I wonder if my blockages are clearer than the average beginner's, because I've been getting into the vib. state and feeling HUGE quantities of energy during it since a long time before I started doing NEW.  For a while when I was feeling the energy I didn't know what it was, I'd just be drifting in and out of sleep, and I'd be awakened by it.  I could then move the energy around, and if I moved it to a hand, for example, and let it fill my hand, I would become honestly afraid of blowing my hand off.  One reason I'm mentioning this is because some people in another post at this forum were saying that spontaneous combustion was something to watch out for.  If it was a possibility I really think that it would have already happened to me.  When I was first feeling this energy, I also searched on the web about spontaneous human combustion... if I remember right... try searching on yahoo if your interested for an article called something like "not so spontaneous human combustion", for me the article proved that there is no possibility of this and that it is not a real phenomena... in fact, to me, it made the idea of spontaneous combustion seem rediculous.  

Thank you Kalonek
Blake

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by blakera

Thank you Kalonek.  I will take your advice and you did answer my questions.  I have one more question for now:  Where can I read more about NEW?  I've read Astral Dynamics and the stuff on this site, but is there anywhere besides that that I can get information?

You're welcome And no there isn't any other information apart from AD and this site. I wish Bruce will publish a complete NEW book soon ! But in fact as you might have read, the main topics related to energy are told, so that you can figure out what might be missing in the NEW treatise.

quote: I feel lucky in that I feel like I've been seeing results for quite some time now.  The first time I did an energy raising session, my sex-drive increased to the point of being a problem.  I wonder if my blockages are clearer than the average beginner's, because I've been getting into the vib. state and feeling HUGE quantities of energy during it since a long time before I started doing NEW.  For a while when I was feeling the energy I didn't know what it was, I'd just be drifting in and out of sleep, and I'd be awakened by it.  I could then move the energy around, and if I moved it to a hand, for example, and let it fill my hand, I would become honestly afraid of blowing my hand off.  One reason I'm mentioning this is because some people in another post at this forum were saying that spontaneous combustion was something to watch out for.  If it was a possibility I really think that it would have already happened to me.  When I was first feeling this energy, I also searched on the web about spontaneous human combustion... if I remember right... try searching on yahoo if your interested for an article called something like "not so spontaneous human combustion", for me the article proved that there is no possibility of this and that it is not a real phenomena... in fact, to me, it made the idea of spontaneous combustion seem rediculous.  

To answer your questions, yes in fact if you've been moving energy for awhile and also doing OBE, it is likely that your energy body is already fine, so then indeed you can start working on your primary centres and raising energy all day.
For the sex thing, it's very common. In that case, stop raising energy and concentrate on your hands. Then when it's gone, drain energy more precisely to your navel, avoiding the groin. Pass it directly from your legs to your stomach.
Also, it's not true that energy can produce human combustion, as it has no physical existence. It's interaction with us is complexe, and only done by our organs. And i don't figure out how a human organ could burn if too stimulated No, human combustions are real, there's no doubt (police reports etc), but what is commonly accepted is that it's a very scarce chemical reaction of the fat in the body that can burn suddenly. Experiences by scientists has proved it possible in fact.

Kalonek

[blakera]

Today I did my own VERY INTENSE NEW experiment that you may find interesting.  I was in the vibration state, and during the vibration state all I ever feel is energy (no vibrating).  When I started letting my energy rise, I began sweeping/sponging energy into my subdominal storage center with the two-part full body circuit.  After only four sweeps each through my arms and legs, the energy in my sub-dominal was too intense fo me to consider sweeping any more in.  I was like "well there's too much energy for me to stay in here... I'm out of here".  An interesting thing however, is that, now, after my OBE, I don't feel like there's any extra energy in there.  Even if it didn't raise my energy for longer than just my OBE, I would say this is at least a good exit technique, the energy practically forced me out.  You may want to give this a try, if you haven't already thought of it.

I wonder if people who have seriously practised qi-gong agree with Robert Bruce that NEW is the best for energy raising.  I used to do a program called Lin Kong Jing, but I had to stop it because of scar tissue in my shoulder becoming irritated.  I haven't been doing NEW long enough to compare it well, but I would say that Lin Kong Jing is very good as well.  I may experiment with doing Lin Kong Jing and NEW at the same time.  I wonder if Robert Bruce has at least experimented with tai-chi, ba gua... etc.  

My AIM is blakera4848 if you ever want to chat.  I may not be checking in to this forum so much after I run out of NEW questions (but who knows when that'll be LOL).  I'm sure I'll still be in every once in a while but I've always done most my posting over at William Buhlman's forum http://www.astralinfo.org/forum/default.asp
  Thanks                                                              
Blake

[cesm23]

oh, i knew it ! Now i understand why i am not having results with NEW (psychologically) most certainly i don't do it enough time each day. So it's NOT recommended to each one decide what the amount of time to practise each day, because this could delay the development in several more months or even more years.

To KALONEK :

You seem to be a bit expert on this, about advices regarding NEW, i absolutly need some advises about the practise times on NEW, because unfortunately i have lots of doubts and it's very difficult to avoid making many questions, but fortunately some are already answered by your replys to Blakera.

You said that "Firstly, you did well by first clearing the energy pathways, and you it should be your primary focus for the next weeks/months, with the development of your secundary system." Now, just to me be sure :
1. That is exactly what, just all the legs and arms work or there is anything else missing ? Like the nose work and month work are also included on this ? Or even the spinal bounce ?
2. The RECOMMENDED daily working time on this is also 2 thirty minutes session ? (even tough i take 1,5 hour in finishin leg work or arm work) I know you might say that the more the better, but i mean for those that want to develop psychic abilities (without waiting several years) which is the recommended working time on this daily, to not be so long to develop psychic abilities ? A single session of leg work and arm work (or also nose and month work and spinal bounce) is enough ?
3. How do i know when i should start progress more on NEW and start doing the two parts body circuit ? I mean, how do i know when my secondary system is enough stabilized and developed to start doing the body circuit or energy raising to sub-navel ? When i don't feel any energy blockages in arms and legs ?!

About the primary centers :

I really don't get this. This is strange. There is some weeks that i am working directly on the third eye chakra, but nothing dangerous happens. Altough i do feel it stimulated with lots of tingling and pressure and sometimes a very little headache but never dizziness and absolutly no psychological side-effects. Altough i never had any psychic abilities and not even intuintion (at least at a noticeable level) and much less any kind of obe or sleep paralysis, but i do have very vivid dreams, almost daily dream recall, hypnagogic imagery before sleeping in some days, but lucid dreams is very very rare, but i do have them about 1 time each 2 months more or less. How is this possible ?! According to my 6th sense being so underdeveloped, my third eye chakra should be with a major energy blockage, or almost fully blocked, but according to my physical conditions (very healthy), the quality and recall of my dreams and not feeling any bad side effects when working directly on the third eye chakra it seems to be working well without blockages ! This is really weird, even i never having any psychic abilities i can stimulate it a lot, and the only thing i ever felt is tingling or pressure. Also the same about other chakras, i stimulate them, but it's exactly the same than with the third eye, i never felt any bad side-effects not even in long term, and no dizzyness. Maybe this is doe to me having a very good health and being very resistant to diseases (altough i am fat, because i am a 24 years old male, and i weight 115 quilograms, but i am 1,80 meters tall), but psychologically i have a lot of problems (including being anti-social, shy, lot of sex problems, which seems to relate to the solar plexus chakra and sub-navel chakra respectively), but nothing changed when i worked on primary centers, even if i felt them pulsate normally and with tingling. Altough in my arms and legs and spine i seem to have a lot of energy blockages when i do arm and leg work and spinal bounce.

Also i am been doing sub-navel filling (mostly from the legs) even with energy blockages on legs, this isn't dangerous i hope ? But this is weird, i feel that the sub-navel center is my lower guts? That doesn't make much sense, specially because in yoga books they said that it was the solar plexus the center of our energy storage. That's strange, when filling the sub-navel center how much deep i should focus ? In the middle of body a little under the navel ?

Oh just more this question and this one is important : does twitching means energy pathways/energy blockages being cleared ? It's because this only happens when doing energy work and a lot of times in different places (altough sometimes also happens after doing some physical work) and it would be very motivating if i were sure that those twitchings meant that the energy pathway in the place i feel the twitch was cleared. Is that how we feel when a energy blockage is cleant ? They are a bit painfull if it's in the back of my lower logs tough.

So, please have a bit of patiente to read all this and then reply, ok ? I know it's too much but i can't take it anymore with all these doubts, from my situation i said (that about psychic abilities) please give me some advices.

By the way does it exist a NEW teatrise ?! Where ?! (sorry if i have not interpreted well what you said)

[Kalonek]

Blakera => Thanx for the technic, i'll give it a shot as soon as i can

quote:Originally posted by cesm23


To KALONEK :
You seem to be a bit expert on this, about advices regarding NEW, i absolutly need some advises about the practise times on NEW

Lol thx, but i'm far from an expert, i just have some practice behind me and i try to help the beginners to avoid my pitfalls when i started. I'll try to answer your questions as best as i can. Here we go !

quote:
1. That is exactly what, just all the legs and arms work or there is anything else missing ? Like the nose work and month work are also included on this ? Or even the spinal bounce ?

By all the secundary system i mean even the full body circuit. It doesn't require the total stimulation of the primary centres (though providing some gentle and useful stimulation to them), but develops very well all the secundary ones. So i think a good training should be about at least 1/2h per day of energy raising in the legs (easy to do whenever you sit, wait in the bus etc) and about 1/4h at least of full body circuit before sleep.
I found that i had some problems calculating how much i was doing every day, if i was doing more or less than the day before etc, so now i just decided to do 1500 energy raising actions in my legs to my sub navel each day, so i can count easily. It's a good technic to count because it helps concentrating too.

quote:
2. The RECOMMENDED daily working time on this is also 2 thirty minutes session ? (even tough i take 1,5 hour in finishin leg work or arm work) I know you might say that the more the better, but i mean for those that want to develop psychic abilities (without waiting several years) which is the recommended working time on this daily, to not be so long to develop psychic abilities ? A single session of leg work and arm work (or also nose and month work and spinal bounce) is enough ?

Well, i answered above But just one thing : the psychic abilities are just a side effect of the energy training. There canno't be taken as a goal if you want to go safe, as well as there aren't any shortcuts. So to be the more efficient, just take it easy, do your energy training each day, without thinking about the results, and you'll see them come faster than you expected. But anyway with this daily training you should start to see things differently (developping your psychic abilities) in a couple of months (less than a year, maybe 5 or 6, i don't remember precisely, and it depends greatly on your motivation).

quote:
3. How do i know when i should start progress more on NEW and start doing the two parts body circuit ? I mean, how do i know when my secondary system is enough stabilized and developed to start doing the body circuit or energy raising to sub-navel ? When i don't feel any energy blockages in arms and legs ?!

You know you must go a step further when you start becoming bored by the sameness of you training It might sound weird, but in fact at the beginning when dealing with the secundary centres, you might experience many different things in each sessions, making each different from the other. It means that your body is clearing etc. When it starts to become all pretty similar, it means that you're becoming ok with this part, it has stabilized, and you can go on with the next stage. Btw even if you don't think your energetic body is enough developped, continue raising energy to your sub navel, it'll pay in a short future.

quote:
There is some weeks that i am working directly on the third eye chakra, but nothing dangerous happens. Altough i do feel it stimulated with lots of tingling and pressure and sometimes a very little headache but never dizziness and absolutly no psychological side-effects. Altough i never had any psychic abilities and not even intuintion (at least at a noticeable level) and much less any kind of obe or sleep paralysis, but i do have very vivid dreams, almost daily dream recall, hypnagogic imagery before sleeping in some days, but lucid dreams is very very rare, but i do have them about 1 time each 2 months more or less. How is this possible ?! According to my 6th sense being so underdeveloped, my third eye chakra should be with a major energy blockage, or almost fully blocked, but according to my physical conditions (very healthy), the quality and recall of my dreams and not feeling any bad side effects when working directly on the third eye chakra it seems to be working well without blockages ! This is really weird, even i never having any psychic abilities i can stimulate it a lot, and the only thing i ever felt is tingling or pressure. Also the same about other chakras, i stimulate them, but it's exactly the same than with the third eye, i never felt any bad side-effects not even in long term, and no dizzyness.

Well 2 options here :
- your chakra is very blocked and the gentle sensations with almost no consequences are the results of this (but it's doubtful)
- your chakra is ok, but not one of your major ones, just like any other, and i'll take some more time to develop it. But this is better. My third eye is my strongest chakra, followed by the throat and the crown (both almost equally developped). This is why i had a major rush of energy and pain when i first activated it, because there where very big blockages in it although it was designed to be my strongest one. But despite this, i don't see myself as having extra abilities, i got a good intuition, very good sometimes, i can see a part of the people aura (but only after a specific training), i can do some tk without big difficulties on small things, but that's it. I ain't clairvoyant, nor anything like this at this stage. So i guess it takes a lot more time to develop all this. Just be patient, and it'll come naturally Continue your stimulations, on ALL chakras (important !) so htat you get more and more balanced, and everything will go finer for you with the time. Drastical side-effects are therefore more likely to happen on a blocked and suddenly unblocked chakra, or by the quick development of a "part" of the chakra, ie. one of it's "petal", or particular ability.

quote:
Maybe this is doe to me having a very good health and being very resistant to diseases (altough i am fat, because i am a 24 years old male, and i weight 115 quilograms, but i am 1,80 meters tall), but psychologically i have a lot of problems (including being anti-social, shy, lot of sex problems, which seems to relate to the solar plexus chakra and sub-navel chakra respectively), but nothing changed when i worked on primary centers, even if i felt them pulsate normally and with tingling. Altough in my arms and legs and spine i seem to have a lot of energy blockages when i do arm and leg work and spinal bounce.

Just one thing : continue ! Whatever happens, DON'T stop your energy training !! The work on primary centres must be done during a few months before the big problems suddenly start to disapear one by one ! So continue ! Don't give up ! And some other blockages can still be present in your chakras, and they will suddenly be broken during a session, so every session is good for you. For what you said : if you're shy, work on the throat chakra, for your sexual problems, i don't know them but i've found that most of them don't come only from the 2nd chakra, but also from the heart chakra. This one is responsible for making the link between the physical aspect and the mental aspect, so it's particularly important to work on it. I had not, and i too come out to have some sexual problems during the last few months, not very important, but for example i wasn't feeling any physical excitation when i was with my girlfriend, so it was starting to make problems in our couple. My heart chakra was totally blocked btw, i only felt it when attempting OBEs. I did some big work on it during af full week, and only on him, and the week after everything was ok again, i felt like the 2 aspects of me were fusionned again. So it might help you. Another thing, when you say you're fat, well just know that doing some serious energy training each day will bring you to need less and less food for you will take more energy of smaller parts. I was a good eater (hehe french ) since a few months ago, but now i'm happier when i only eat a very little, a salad or so, and i feel as fine, and even better, as before, more energized (and i do a lot of sport, i'm not skinky at all).

quote:
Also i am been doing sub-navel filling (mostly from the legs) even with energy blockages on legs, this isn't dangerous i hope ? But this is weird, i feel that the sub-navel center is my lower guts? That doesn't make much sense, specially because in yoga books they said that it was the solar plexus the center of our energy storage. That's strange, when filling the sub-navel center how much deep i should focus ? In the middle of body a little under the navel ?

Nope, not dangerous at all, even the contrary, continue ! And yes it's in your lower gutts as you say, not in the solar plexus, but near. It's between ne 2nd chakra and the solar plexus for me. So just concentrate on your navel and it'll be ok. With practice, you'll feel better where it is, but just the rough feeling of it is ok. So don't care too much about this, just draw energy from your feet to your navel and it'll be fine.

quote:
Oh just more this question and this one is important : does twitching means energy pathways/energy blockages being cleared ? It's because this only happens when doing energy work and a lot of times in different places (altough sometimes also happens after doing some physical work) and it would be very motivating if i were sure that those twitchings meant that the energy pathway in the place i feel the twitch was cleared. Is that how we feel when a energy blockage is cleant ? They are a bit painfull if it's in the back of my lower logs tough.

This sensation doesn't mean that the aera is cleared, but that it is progressively being cleared of blackages and developping. So continue to stimulate these aeras. When a zone is totally cleared and well developped, you feel almost nothing, except the presence of energy like a fluid in it. The pain is a sign of energy growth, so it's good

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By the way does it exist a NEW teatrise ?! Where ?! (sorry if i have not interpreted well what you said)

The NEW Energy Ways guide is on this site, in the guides section

I hope i have answered your questions.
See you

Kalonek

[blakera]

I've done that exit technique I was talking about 5 more times now and I'd like to share my results for if anyone's interested because I think that this is an efficient thing to do at the start of an OBE.  I mentioned that I thought it felt like the energy almost forced me out, but now, after doing it some more I would say that the energy does force me out. After a few energy sweeps to my abdomen my second body's abdomen rises up, in other words my second body arches itself so that it's partially out, it's easy to go from there. After my first time with this technique I was also thinking that the energy that I built up may have sort of powered my OBE because I thought that my second body was feeling sort of stronger than normal... maybe it's because of this technique, or maybe just the N.E.W. routine I do on a normal basis, but something has made it so that I can achieve a speed that was impossible for me before. During my last two experiences I was going straight up so fast that it felt like I was gonna rip apart and it actually caused pain in my second body. It'd been a while since something about an OBE made me uncomfortable, but this speed did the first time I used it, it was intense, I was like, locked in to the speed and my head and lower abdomen of my second body were hurting.

[Kalonek]

Wow ! Interesting ! I'll try this for my next OBE, to see the difference ! Thanks for having taken the time to share your results with us !

[blakera]

Hi everyone, I'm new here.  My name is Blake, I'm a 22 year old male.  I'm not sure how long ago it was that I first had what would be technically considered an OBE, but I have been practising them off and on for just over a year, and am now just geting serious about practise.  I have many questions regarding new, but I'll stick to my most basic ones for now.  I'm no expert at OBEs, but I can do them most of the time when I try, so if I can answer any questions about them in return for answers to my questions, don't hesitate to let me know.  

OK, first things first, I want to be sure I'm practising NEW right.  I did NO energy raising but just cleared pathways (ie brushing/sponging up and down toes... legs, etc) for almost 3 weeks or so before moving on to the two part full body circuit.  Did I wait long enough before moving on to energy raising?  I've now been doing the energy raising for 3 weeks.  

I'm doing the recommended program from this site which involves 2 thirty minute sessions a day, does that sound like a good thing for me to do at this point?  Does the thirty minute time period include prestimulation?  (I'm currently using every exercise there is that could be used for prestimulation/clearing before going on to the two part circuit does this sound OK?)  

OK, my next question is whether or not I'm supposed to directly stimulate my primary chakras.  In Astral Dynamics Bruce mentions it but on the training instructions on this sight he doesn't seem to mention it and says that filling the sub-brow or heart storage centers directly is not recomended.  When should I start with this primary work if I am in fact supposed to so it at all.

Thank you for your time.  I am a hard worker and am going to practise NEW VERY long term, and I don't want to have any doubts that I'm geting the best results possible.  

Thanks again.
Blake