I had a very strange sleep last night. I semi-woke up in middle of the night, everything around me was shaking. It felt like an earthquake. The room I was semi-awake in didnt look like my bedroom, so I knew I was half sleeping.
My chest also felt weird.
I'm just wondering what the hell happened. Did my heart chakras open up voluntarily??
The reason why I find the timing weird is because I havent done energy, meditation or OBE work in at least the last 9 months.
So why is my chakras suddenly opening up??
Or is it even my chakras?? Could it be something else??
Did I have night time seizure ?? I hope not..LOL
I also had to right away check the internet when I woke up this morning to see if Toronto had any earthquakes...LOL
Nobody likes to hear this, especially experienced people, but my votes on SP. :-)
I've never done any chakra or energy work so I'm ignorant to the effects it can have but nothing I've heard or read sounds like they would explain the perception of an earthquake.
QuoteI had a very strange sleep last night. I semi-woke up in middle of the night, everything around me was shaking. It felt like an earthquake. The room I was semi-awake in didnt look like my bedroom, so I knew I was half sleeping.
My chest also felt weird.
You had a false awakening (out of body experience). Weird and strange and often very intense sensations are very common. Also common are hard "awakening" and problems with getting up in combination with sometimes very strongly distorted visual perceptions of the environment (blurred vision, dark spots and other things, which do not belong on the field of view).
Such experiences can occur several times in a row.
Yeah IAB.. It's definitely Sleep Paralysis. The sinking weird feeling in the chest can be disconcerting.
Have a read of this... This has a direct approach to it and you will probably find the similarities.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html
Quote from: its_all_bad on July 02, 2013, 11:07:32
Nobody likes to hear this, especially experienced people, but my votes on SP. :-)
Sp = Sleep Paralysis, right??
Yes. :)
QuoteThe room I was semi-awake in didnt look like my bedroom, so I knew I was half sleeping.
During sleep paralyzis does the environment look like it always looks. Sleep paralyzis ends, when the eyes are opened (+-1 second).
He had a state, which i experienced many times. If he would have focused on standing up, while the room looked different, he would had an clear and good out of body experience (many of my own OBEs start in this way).
Quote from: proyect_outzone on July 02, 2013, 16:40:16
During sleep paralyzis does the environment look like it always looks. Sleep paralyzis ends, when the eyes are opened (+-1 second).
He had a state, which i experienced many times. If he would have focused on standing up, while the room looked different, he would had an clear and good out of body experience (many of my own OBEs start in this way).
Does it feel like an earthquake to you also??
There are many possibilities, how this can feel. Shaking and wobbling perceptions of the grounds and of the body included.
Most common are these perceptions:
-Intense sensations of pressure inside or outside of body parts or whole body. Often accompanied by tingling. Most frequently are such sensations in the head. Distorted perception of the body.
-Extreme tiredness accompanied by weakness and the strong desire to continue sleep.
-Reduction of the ability to view the environment. Often blurred field of view. It can also contain dark spots or even be almost completely backed out.
-Shaking and wobbling perceptions of the grounds and of the body. Especially during walking.
These perceptions cause often the fear, that one is ill and about to die.
The combination of perceptions change every time. Not all such awakenings contain such perceptions. During some of such awakening one can be just fresh and healthy awake in a clear visible and stable environment and have no problems with standing up.
Quote from: proyect_outzone on July 02, 2013, 19:16:37
There are many possibilities, how this can feel. Shaking and wobbling perceptions of the grounds and of the body included.
Most common are these perceptions:
-Intense sensations of pressure inside or outside of body parts or whole body. Often accompanied by tingling. Most frequently are such sensations in the head. Distorted perception of the body.
-Extreme tiredness accompanied by weakness and the strong desire to continue sleep.
-Reduction of the ability to view the environment. Often blurred field of view. It can also contain dark spots or even be almost completely backed out.
-Shaking and wobbling perceptions of the grounds and of the body. Especially during walking.
Awesome Sleep Paralysis description... excluding the walking bit. :wink:
Quote from: proyect_outzone on July 02, 2013, 16:40:16
During sleep paralyzis does the environment look like it always looks. Sleep paralyzis ends, when the eyes are opened (+-1 second).
It can persist during open eyes because REM atonia doesn't paralyse the eyes... hence Rapid Eye Movement. You can open your eyes during SP but vision is blurred like a white noise... the eyes tend to cross creating double vision and objects to merge creating a 3D forced perspective effect.
OMG, my very first SP and vibrational state were with an earthquake like shake. It was about two weeks after I started a visualization technique before bed. It happened during sleep, I had my eyes closed, I could not see anything, but it lasted only few seconds because as soon as got shaken pretty hard, I woke up (in the physical), jumped out of bed, ran out of my room and looked at the big chandelier in the living room to try to figure out how strong the earthquake was. To my surprise the chandelier was not moving al all. Everything looked normal. I was sooo freaked out, but excited at the same time because I suspected that my energies must have started to rise and I was close to experiencing my first OBE. And sure enough after another week or so it happened. This time, I stayed calm during the vibrations and separated as instructed by Mr. Buhlman.
So, even though you said you are not doing any techniques, sometimes it happens spontaneously to though who read on the subject or had tried at some point meditation and techniques. I would suggest you take advantage of your energies being "awaken" so to speak, do some techniques and see if you will experience another conscious OBE.
QuoteAwesome Sleep Paralysis description... excluding the walking bit. wink
QuoteIt can persist during open eyes because REM atonia doesn't paralyse the eyes... hence Rapid Eye Movement. You can open your eyes during SP but vision is blurred like a white noise... the eyes tend to cross creating double vision and objects to merge creating a 3D forced perspective effect.
Why do you try to use the (so called) scientific explanations to explain supernatural things. You also would not use such scientific explanations to explain OBEs and the respective exit phase.... or would you? (im shure, they have written lots of stuff about which kind of dreams out of body experiences are)
The physical sleeping paralyzis is not the above described astral state. Common sleeping paralyzis is completely different. Main difference besides the lack of strong supernatural perceptions is that attempts of a common (physical) standing up during a common SP does usually lead in a common (physical) standing up. Same attempts during the above described astral states does mostly lead to an out of body experience (even if one does not want any and wants just to awake physically). Many false awakenings begin with such a above described state.
QuoteWhy do you try to use the (so called) scientific explanations to explain supernatural things. You also would not use such scientific explanations to explain OBEs and the respective exit phase.... or would you? (im shure, they have written lots of stuff about which kind of dreams out of body experiences are)
Most people who consider themselves mystics or what not no longer consider SP to be supernatural. I don't know about Beedeekin but I believe science has a good explanation for the cause and mechanisms of SP. They even have a very plausible reason for why we even have the condition.
Without getting into a discussion about God, science is the observation and study of how God works. Feel free to exchange God with Source, Creator, or the Universe.
We may never completely understand them all but there is a functioning mechanism at work for every phenomena. Science may be able to take the "super" out of the equation but that doesn't make something any less special or spiritual.
I for one, look forward to a day where science not only acknowledges OOBE as a legit phenomena but I very much hope they can explain the reason for it and how it's done. That would mean that we are well on our way to being truly enlightened. :|
SP doesn't have to be 'supernatural' for the proceeding OOBE to be 'supernatural' in nature. It's very simple and obvious what causes the sensations during the state. That's about all that science has nailed... and only because they have studied it intimately using Narcoleptics and 'sufferers' of RISP. It's a state of being aware of the normal unconscious process we go through every time we sleep... several times a night.
When I started getting it repeatedly I used to think it was 'paranormal'.. until I began having OOBEs from them and experienced the REAL 'paranormal' side. I began wondering, why when I separated did all the SP sensations disappear?
Why does science hit such a nerve with people when they wouldn't be communicating this way if it wasn't for it. We use it when it suits us... and jilt it when it spoils our view of how we'd like things to be. We are so selective when it comes to belief.
I can start calling it the vibrational state or the old hag.. a nightmare... maybe kanashibari... I use the term SP because most who experience it can relate to it.
QuoteWhy does science hit such a nerve with people when they wouldn't be communicating this way if it wasn't for it. We use it when it suits us... and jilt it when it spoils our view of how we'd like things to be. We are so selective when it comes to belief.
Maybe you have not noticed the rubbish, which the science has told the last 10 years to explain supernatural things. For example, that OBEs can be simulated by viewing a movie of the backside of your own body. Do you feel out of body, when you see a video from your back? I do'nt. If science would have just asked only one real astral traveller, he would have told, that out of body experiences are not just the viewing of own body. But science accepted this explanation. Another thing is, that science tried to explain aura viewing with synesthesia. They asked one (1) person with synesthesia about viewed experiences and used it to falsify the statements of hundreds to thousands of people. Or just look at explanations of physical things. Science did not believe in rogue waves until 1995 just because they didnt want to believe it. There had been dozenz of destroyed ships, which had damages up to top decks, and hundreds of statements of victims. But every seaman, who claimed to have seen a roque wave has just been declared as insane. Science wants still not believe in supernatural things, and i bet, they will find for anything some kind of explanation. Now matter how stupid a explanation will be, science will use it to falsify the claims about supernatural things. Thats, why i do not believe every thing, what the science trys to tell me.
QuoteWe are so selective when it comes to belief.
And science is not?
QuoteMost people who consider themselves mystics or what not no longer consider SP to be supernatural. I don't know about Beedeekin but I believe science has a good explanation for the cause and mechanisms of SP. They even have a very plausible reason for why we even have the condition.
Is my english so bad, that i cannot explain, that SP and the above described things are
two different things? I experienced both alot. Here a comparison.
Sleep paralzis:
-Feelings, that breathing is impossible or extremely hard
-movements are during this state impossible, when they are possible, this state is gone or one has already begun an out of body experience. This state ends even during attempts to move. Every movment ends this state. Even very small movements (fingers).
-No physical perception of body
-Feeling as if one is very light
-partial until complete separation experiences may occur. These are often very suddenly or unexpected (leads often to a startling and this leads to slight awakening)
-the sensations and perceptions, which one can have during relaxation, are now much intensified
-this state can be achieved directly during relaxation and occurs not only after falling asleep
-attempts to stand up in common way lead almost allways to a physical awakening and standing up
-attempts to open the eyes lead also to a complete awakening
Astral state:
-Intense sensations of pressure inside or outside of body parts or whole body. Often accompanied by tingling. Most frequently are such sensations in the head. Distorted perception of the body.
-Extreme tiredness accompanied by weakness and the strong desire to continue sleep.
-movements are during this state often hard (often means not allways!), but they are possible. This state continues after movements, even after movements of the whole body (because its the non physical body, which is moved). Sometimes movements during this state are very easy (like movements during full awakeness)!
-Reduction of the ability to view the environment. Often blurred field of view. It can also contain dark spots or even be almost completely backed out.
-Shaking and wobbling perceptions of the grounds and of the body. Especially during walking.
-this state cannot be achieved directly during relaxation. Occurs only after falling asleep
-perceptions of separation do not occur. Starting a out of body experience is like starting physical movements (with the additional features of astral world, of course).
-attempts to stand up in common way lead almost allways to a out of body experience, often several times in a row
Have you ever tried to leave you body during SP? I think you did.
The above described astral state is different. Emotions and such stuff do not disturb exiting. Almost every attempt to stand (physically) up leads just to another OBE. This state can only be broken by hard trying. It can take Minutes. It can happen, that one just awakes several times in this state again (more than 5 awakenings in a row are not rare!)! During a common sleep paralyzis one awakes just one time, and one is then awake (exept one falls asleep again, but this happens not suddenly).
Quote from: LightBeam on July 02, 2013, 21:26:26
OMG, my very first SP and vibrational state were with an earthquake like shake. It was about two weeks after I started a visualization technique before bed. It happened during sleep, I had my eyes closed, I could not see anything, but it lasted only few seconds because as soon as got shaken pretty hard, I woke up (in the physical), jumped out of bed, ran out of my room and looked at the big chandelier in the living room to try to figure out how strong the earthquake was. To my surprise the chandelier was not moving al all. Everything looked normal. I was sooo freaked out, but excited at the same time because I suspected that my energies must have started to rise and I was close to experiencing my first OBE. And sure enough after another week or so it happened. This time, I stayed calm during the vibrations and separated as instructed by Mr. Buhlman.
So, even though you said you are not doing any techniques, sometimes it happens spontaneously to though who read on the subject or had tried at some point meditation and techniques. I would suggest you take advantage of your energies being "awaken" so to speak, do some techniques and see if you will experience another conscious OBE.
Ha ha....thats exactly how my night went. It felt like an earthquake, only thing is we very rarely get strong earthquakes here in Toronto.
When I briefly got out of my bed I also felt very wobbly. Almost as if I was drunk, even though I hadnt drunk alcohol that night.
I think I'll take your advice and try OBE techniques next few weeks.
Maybe I'll have more luck separating from my body
QuoteIs my english so bad, that i cannot explain, that SP and the above described things are two different things? I experienced both alot. Here a comparison.
Your English is fine. I draw a distinction between the two states as well. I just think that science has explained the Phenomena of SP quite well. Mainstream scientists have to take a scoffing approach publicly to most of this stuff or they risk losing their credibility and careers. I wish it wasn't that way and that they would do more but there you have it. Times are slowly changing and one day science will re-emerge with this in a proper fashion.
I think you have got me wrong. I am saying exactly what you are saying. I also distinguish the two states. I'm not sure about the list of specific 'astral' things you've made though... they are so variable and many I could make a book out of a list.
'-attempts to open the eyes lead also to a complete awakening'
I've opened my eyes a lot.. and it hasn't broke the SP. I've entered SP with my eyes already open. Your eyes aren't affected by REM atonia... only the muscles that control full movement are a bit wobbly.
As well as I can read your English I have also noticed the misguided way science approach OOBEs. Science has got SP in a nutshell because it's counted as a 'medical problem'... they're not interested in OOBEs because they're not a medical problem. I agree... the efforts have been lame in terms of OOBE research, but they're just limited in what they can invest money into... that's all. No need to put hate on a branch of humanity that makes your life extremely easy. It's not so black and white as 'science hates the paranormal'.. it's more like 'who will back them financially?'. All of the scientists I know have there secret little ideas about paranormal but won't bring it up because of the establishment ridiculing them.
Like IAB says they will come around when they run out of options.
QuoteScience has got SP in a nutshell because it's counted as a 'medical problem'... they're not interested in OOBEs because they're not a medical problem.
Very true, I believe. If science was not able to determine some of the physical reasons of SP, they would've very easily relegated it to the "junk sciences".
It's sad that they give out over the counter drugs like Clonazepam to curb them though. They still have to make the connection there.
Imagine how refreshing it would be for a family GP to say to the person.. 'they can be scary but maybe you should try initiating an out of body experience from them. Here are the details for classes and online information... here's your complimentary Mindfold and a comfy pillow."
Quote from: Bedeekin on July 03, 2013, 17:39:45
Imagine how refreshing it would be for a family GP to say to the person.. 'they can be scary but maybe you should try initiating an out of body experience from them. Here are the details for classes and online information... here's your complimentary Mindfold and a comfy pillow."
I see you Dream of that "perfect World" scenario too, Bedeekin. I'm sure we all here do! :-)
QuoteI'm not sure about the list of specific 'astral' things you've made though... they are so variable and many I could make a book out of a list.
I made such a book already, because im really fascinated about the different kinds of things, which can be experienced. There are hundreds of them and it is worth it to give the full attention even to small details.
Quote'-attempts to open the eyes lead also to a complete awakening'
I've opened my eyes a lot.. and it hasn't broke the SP. I've entered SP with my eyes already open. Your eyes aren't affected by REM atonia... only the muscles that control full movement are a bit wobbly.
I can reach it with open eyes too. I noticed, that such a SP becomes unstable, when i move my eyes during this state. The control of muscles during SP is completely off and after it came back (just seconds after attempting to move), it is just as if the SP never had been.
I also noticed, when i attempt to open the eyes to see environment (after awakening from sleep into a SP), this state breaks. But i didnt pay any attention, whether i made other small unnoticed movements or not.
I will research this further.
QuoteQuoteScience has got SP in a nutshell because it's counted as a 'medical problem'... they're not interested in OOBEs because they're not a medical problem.
Very true, I believe. If science was not able to determine some of the physical reasons of SP, they would've very easily relegated it to the "junk sciences".
Yeah, this is it. Science is not interested, which part of SP has physical reasons (like lack of ability to move) and which part not (increased probability to perceive supernatural perceptions).
The problem I have with the SP state as having a 'supernatural' core is the collection of things I've seen during it. I simply can't see how the Predator or Jason from Friday the 13th can manifest as real beings in my bedroom. It was those types of things that made me think.. 'Hang on a second'. This sent me on a 30 year mission to find what SP really is. It just so happens that a great deal of SP can be explained as having physiological origins.. which is good. It means that millions of people aren't getting psychically attacked by a plethora of demons. It also means that we can spend more time on the actual OOBE experience and less time on SP. Sure I talk about it a lot.. but that's to quell people's worries that they are being attacked by a demon.
You mean to tell me that E.T. wasn't really suffocating me with a pillow? :roll:
That I can't confirm IAB. :lol:
Now I can understand Freddie Kruger, because he attacks you in "Dreams".
But Jason or Predator, nah! :-D
QuoteI simply can't see how the Predator or Jason from Friday the 13th can manifest as real beings in my bedroom.
The question is not, how they can manifest. The question is, what room do you see and who or what are the seen persons (of course they are not jason and predator)? There are several kinds of experiences, which allow to see supernatural things with physical eyes open. And you learned most probably in the astral world, that not every perception from there is, what it seems. Same is with any other supernatural perception. They can be the truth and they can be the untruth and everything between. Thats one of the big problems of the application of supernatural skills. One has to learn to interpret the perceived things and to distingish truth and untruth.
So when something with a certain skill percepted cannot be the truth, it is still not necessarily a proof for the non existence of this skill.
QuoteIt just so happens that a great deal of SP can be explained as having physiological origins..
Without participation of physical things,we would never remember any out of body experience and never have any supernatural perception. Just because our brain and our body are physical things. So, the observation of physical reactions is not a prove, that no supernatural thing caused or influenced it. This is one of the main problems of common science. They do not know about supernatural, so they do not search for ways to exclude it. They just tell often enough
"This thing is "blah blah blah" but the causes are not fully known or unknown." One example is the exploding head syndrome. Science found nice words to describe it and to let it look completely physical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome No one would believe in non physical reasons after reading this.
But there is one sentence:
QuoteThe cause of the exploding head syndrome (EHS) is not known, though some physicians have reported a correlation with stress or extreme fatigue.
Stress and fatigue are good triggers for pre OBE phenomena and OBEs (due the slower falling asleep (stress) or the fast falling asleep (fatigue)). The EHS is such a pre OBE phenomenon. The EHS can even be triggered intentionally by application of OBE methods or (better) focusing on own energy body during relaxation. There is just the help of another person required, who must suddenly disturb the relaxation (clapping hands).
Well just the sheer quantity of different and obviously internally created things I've experienced during SP and their unconnected content in comparison to the following Out of Body bit, never washed with me as being important. They have simply been too obvious. The truth behind them correlate to my current fears at the time. Most of the 'nasty' ones happened early on and directly applied to simple fears.
I hold the current understanding that the hallucinations during SP are dualistic. They are spurred on in whatever capacity by ones own expectations and creative ability during this state to make thought reality. Including this is the perceived presence of ones self sensing oneself. Like a type of feedback. If one is scared by the 'supernatural' or sense of presence (oneself) then the physical in this dualistic state releases adrenaline... this causes mechanical effects upon depolarised neurones causing intense buzzing and pressure. This has a knock on effect that causes more fear... until it crescendos.
I've never really been scared during the actual OOBE/AP/projection... unless I have projected myself into the belief I am in SP in another location, when feeling trapped or during precognitive projections. :wink:
QuoteMost of the 'nasty' ones happened early on and directly applied to simple fears.
This is nature of every kind of supernatural experience. If you fear or expect something, it will probably happen. This happens especially with the more useful abilities like telepathy or contact to hereafter or remoteviewing. Example: When i search in a kitchen for objects, i will most probably see kitchen objects even if nothing like this is in this kittchen. Just because i expect such objects in a kittchen. But this percepted expectations are not a proof, that remote viewing does not exist. If someone places spare tires, a hand grenade and a elephant in this kittchen and if i search for uncommon objects, i will most probably see one of these.
The fact, that own expectations and fears have heavy impact on supernatural abilities makes prooving very difficulty. Especially, when this fact is ignored. I learned to accept it and to use it against itself, when possible. This made my abilites way more useful.
Quotethen the physical in this dualistic state releases adrenaline... this causes mechanical effects upon depolarised neurones causing intense buzzing and pressure. This has a knock on effect that causes more fear... until it crescendos.
The perceptions during near sleep state do not need any kind of emotions or adrenaline or such stuff. The right method for perception (there are several kinds of possible visual perceptions which need different methods to be seen intentionally) is enough. The content can be changed by expectation.
QuoteI've never really been scared during the actual OOBE/AP/projection... unless I have projected myself into the belief I am in SP in another location, when feeling trapped or during precognitive projections. wink
But you got still expectations during OBEs. They still have an impact on the course. This cannot be prevented.
One example is passing through walls. What do you expect, when you approach a wall and try to go through? Usually (not allways) the expected thing happens.
Ok... I understand.
Quote from: its_all_bad on July 04, 2013, 11:46:12
You mean to tell me that E.T. wasn't really suffocating me with a pillow? :roll:
That wasnt ET, that was your wife :evil:
Quote from: proyect_outzone on July 02, 2013, 22:22:03
The physical sleeping paralyzis is not the above described astral state. Common sleeping paralyzis is completely different. Main difference besides the lack of strong supernatural perceptions is that attempts of a common (physical) standing up during a common SP does usually lead in a common (physical) standing up. Same attempts during the above described astral states does mostly lead to an out of body experience (even if one does not want any and wants just to awake physically). Many false awakenings begin with such a above described state.
08/23/2013:
Project_Outzone's description is perfect. I used his information here to have another projection. I also focused my awareness on the bottom point again. I found myself awaking in the middle of the night with strong supernatural perceptions. I decided to open up my eyes. I saw my bedroom, but I was actually sitting up in bed, while my body was laying. I thought how is this possible. Then I realized I was out of body. This was the easiest projection. All I had to do was open up my eyes, which were actually my astral eyes since I was already out of body.
So in theory, I could just start opening up my eyes at random times throughout the sleep cycle. If I see my room from a different angle than my normal sleeping self would see it, then I am out of body. And if I see my room from the same angle as my normal sleeping self would see it, then I am experiencing only sleep paralysis and am not out of body.