The Astral Pulse

Your emotional state is important. If you are feeling good, a combination of happiness and equanimity, and if you are well rested, then it is easier to raise energy and work with it. If you are feeling sick, tired, or unhappy, then it will be harder to concentrate on your energy. The good news is that once you succeed in seeing energy for the first time (like you did at least twice) it will not be as hard as it was before the first time. Mood, lighting, and background can combine spontaneously and you will begin to see auras.

Eh, well I do tend to look at things more on the negative side...guess I'll have to change that.
-Mera

what exactly is your goal? if you are interested in energy development i would highly recommend reading Robert Bruce's NEW (new energy ways) which you can download from this site. The directions are very easy to follow and you can get immediate sensations that will let you know if you are doing it correctly.

kyo, research is not the same as experience. when i first started using energy i thought i might be going insane. it took almost 4 years before i started realizing that this stuff WAS real and that it wasn't just my imagination.

but more importantly, you should practice as much as you study. the ability to use energy doesn't just hit you one day because you think you can do it, and you certainly won't be able to do amazing spectacular things with it right away either.

it's a lot like a baby learning to walk; first it needs to have the muscles to do it, next it must learn (with its body, not its mind) how to use it muscles, then it needs to start doing it, and then it needs to keep doing it. over time it will get better and better, until it comes naturally.

practicing the martial arts will definately give you a bit of an edge over those who don't practice the Arts, when it comes to the power of your spirit, but skill still needs to be learned independantly.

i'm for thinking that practicing magick is the best way to accumulate skill in energy manipulation, practicing the martial arts is the best for power, studying spiritual-energy-related texts is the best for learning how to use energy, and studying philosophy and such is the best for understanding when to use and not to use the energy. and of course experiencing it puts it all together. any one else like to comment on this?

~kakkarot

i started training ki on saturday 8 of feb i tried it once while talking online i felt like a tingling in my right index finger for a secong and after i felt a little happier
later a guy called ki master read my power lvel and said it was a bit over 1000 how was that possiable??

I suggest you get a new master who doesn't watch too much DragonBallZ. It's a little silly to think that you can measure the skill, power, and effects of every person's Ki with just one number.

Or was it just some random guy over the Internet? If it was, he's probably trying to sell you Ki lotion or something crazy like that...[|)]

Actually, I read somewhere that there's a mathematical equation to figure out a person's "power level".
Height + Weight + Age + Strength (average pounds/kilos that you can bench). Then you take the sum of this and divide it by 50.
The average human power level is said to be around 6.
Mine seems to be about 5.8...wow...aren't I strong... -_-'
-Mera

Sounds more like a way to figure out strength as far as muscles go to me. Where is anything that is at all Ki related in this formula? Just curious.

That would be really cool if a universal system was devised that took all of my aforementioned qualities into consideration.[:D]

Well, as I've said before, I'm not very experienced, however, my theory is that one could channel and control his or her ki in order to add what would seem to be physical strenth, and lift a greater amount of weight. Mind over matter. Of course, I could very well be wrong, but it's only an idea.
-Mera

sounds more like the DBZ roleplaying game, which i own. a person's power level isn't calculated like that, but the average human powerlevel, according to the RPG, is indeed between 4 and 6.

there is no way of determining a power level based upon numbers. you can determine how strong you are by doing what the japanese do. "reading" (sensing) your opponents power and comparing it to your own, even testing their power by attacking them spiritually and seeing how well they defend themselves.

obviously if you haven't felt another person's spirit, you probably aren't too skilled in energy use. it is very rare, in my experience, to find someone who is highly unskilled but very powerful.

~kakkarot

Is it really so rare? I would think there would be higher amounts of unskilled powerful people than skilled people with no power. Certainly something to think about...

There's a DBZ roleplaying game? Do you mean Budokai? I have that game and it's awesome! [:D]

Yeah, I know about the knot-in-the-stomach method for sensing ki (and no, I'm not very skilled[:(]).

Kyokushinka - Yeah, I think that strength enhanced by Ki is definitely a possibility. and I'm not just saying that because I like DBZ. [;)]

Yeah, I happen to be a DBZ junkie myself, but from a more practical point of view, the techniques may or may not be real, however I find that it is a great motivator to study ki. I mean, there's even a possibility that one could eventually learn to fly, and that may just be the tip of the iceberg.
-Mera

I whole-heartedly agree. Whose to say what's real and what's not? Just because I can't fly or whatever doesn't mean that you can't and that no one out of the remaining 6 billion people in the world can't.

The way I astral project>>> wait till you're very tired and lie down on your bed in silence and try to go to sleep, just when you're about to drop of to sleep try and remain aware you're falling to sleep (its sort of like you're really tired but so tired you dont know whats happening around you). when you're like that sort of try and make your 'body' rest more and go to sleep but leave yourself 'conscious' at which point you'll get the vibrations and if you can keep them up you'll project. Of course its not as easy as all that but with enough practice you can achieve it within a month or less.

Ummm...I thought Kyokushinka was asking for advice about energy development, not astral projection...

oh yeah, dbz is a great motivator, but the person who told you about the "equation" should learn that there is a big difference between tv and real life. to measure a person's power level, first science would have to have a way to measure energy.

and no, the dbz rpg i'm talking about is a pen and paper one, not video game.

~kakkarot

I was wondering, in your experience, do you tend to see the ki ball before or after you begin to feel that pressure between your hands? I'm just very curious.
-Mera

i haven't practiced hardcore energy stuff for a while now, and even when i did i didn't really practice much with energy balls. but i can easily get pressure pushing my hands apart, when i have enough energy.[:(]

oh well. [xx(]

~kakkarot

Umm...every time I (try to) make a Ki ball I close my eyes (helps concentration). Is that bad? Or possibly why it hasn't worked so far? [|)]

Personally, I first ground myself to make sure that I have enough energy to keep myself from burning out. Incase you don't know, grounding is a technique in which you stand (or sit) and "visualize" sorts of roots or cables coming out from your legs and feet, and going deep into the earth to collect its energy then convert it inside your body to your own energy using, once again, "visualization". I imagine the earth's energy as blue, and my own as green.

I then sit on the ground and for a few mintues I try to clear my mind, then cup my hands comfortably in front of me, making sure that my body feels at rest.

Then I imagine my energy, which I picture as green, swirling around in my dan tien, spreading upward through my chest and then into my arms, and out through my palms swirling into a mass of energy between them. I personally keep my eyes open, not concentrating on watching what is happening, but looking at the ki ball in a sort of dazed way, without focusing on any particular object or space. I feel that helps me to see the outline of the ball, rather than concentrating on whatever may be directly in front of me.

I continue to add energy to the ball until I feel faint tingling in my hands, then I pull them very slowing apart, and move them closer until I'm sure that I can feel a certain pressure as I move my hands closer to one another.

I hope this helped you somewhat, this is my own experience, but of course a different method may work better for you.

-Mera

btw, in another topic (astral knights and their swords), i posted something about trying to create a spiritual sword. this seems rather contradictory to my previous statement in this topic when i said

"i haven't practiced hardcore energy stuff for a while now, and even when i did i didn't really practice much with energy balls. but i can easily get pressure pushing my hands apart, when i have enough energy".

well, with energy balls, my objective isn't to get a feeling, it's to be able to seperate the energy from myself but still have it stay together. i'm having difficulty with that for some reason. so strange. i'm able to do so many other things (affect energy that isn't mine without even sending my energy out to interact with it, use my energy to affect other energy, shield myself or others, even attack others spiritually without making any sort of spiritual "thing" to attack them with, and more), but i can't do that.

oh well, can't do everything i guess[|)].
[:D]
~kakkarot

I was wondering also, what your opinions are on the concept of jing. Some believe that it is an entirely different form of energy from ki, others believe that it is ki, only known with a different name, and yet some also think that it is something in between the two opposing ideas.

I personally could imagine it being ki, because using ki, your own mind can control it, and can create it, so why not just "tell" your ki to become a sort energy that can create a seen destructive affect when used against an object?

Mind you, I don't mean "destructive" in a negative way, I only use it to refer to the affect it would have on its target, such as, in extreme cases, possibly cracking or breaking down a wall.

-Mera

THAT'S how you do grounding? I've just kinda envisioned myself connected with the earth...oops.[|)]

Well, in any case it worked! You know how you said it might all just be wishful thinking? Well, I THOUGHT I was sensing my Ki (I probably was, just a little bit) but last night for some odd reason I was so in tune with it and I just said "So that's what it's supposed to feel like!"

I don't really know how it happened. It was kinda late (11:30) and I had just gotten into bed after doing all my homework. I was grounding myself in my own demented way (I forgot what you were supposed to do after the roots) and just sort of drifting (mentally). All of a sudden there's this tingly electric power surge through my body and it was great. Stupid me, I then tried to do the one thing I seem to be having trouble with (make a ki ball) after about 10 seconds and the feeling faded. But now I have absolutely no faint traces of doubt about whether Ki exists or not.

[|)]Happy Valentine's Day! [|)]

actually grounding is a technique where you take any excess energy that you might have and push it out of your body, usually into the Earth (hence the name) to give back to where you got it from, so that you don't get some weird feelings that having excess energy would give you if you aren't used to having the excess energy.

ok, so it was a bit confusing, but i hope it got it across. kyokushinka's method seems like it is his own personal method.

~kakkarot

Just to clear this up, kakkarot, I'm a girl, but it's sadly not uncommon that I'm mistaken for the opposite sex...

About the grounding, almost everything I read listed a techinique similiar to, if not the same as my own. I don't understand why there was such confusion about it.

-Mera

Is it just me, or is every single person who calls energy Ki into some form of DBZ crap?? Personally, flight is just quick levitation, and levitation is something that recquires vast amounts of energy, in your case, jing.

Jing is just energy strong enough to become physical, in my opinion.

And about wishful thinking, get that thought out of your head. From what I read here, you've already created a ki ball. Your method of seeing it is exactly perfect, auric sight (slight clairvoyancy). Read the article on how to see auras and I'm sure you'll find a similarity my friend.

Energy is simple really, it only takes a bit of convincing your SUBCONCIOUS thoughts to believe. When I come to do a technique I have recently heard about, but do not believe as such (such as the alleged ki blast, which I personally think is inspired by a bunch of DBZ fanatics) to be possible, it takes a bit of trance states and argueing with my subconscious to get results. Don't rush the energy and relax, and don't be so negative! Try gathering energy in your ribcage first, and THEN sending it to your hands for better results for beginners [:)].

And about power levels. Everybody who says they can measure power levels is an idiot who can't use energy for crap. They make up things like how they can run 60mph and things like that.

Which brings me to my last point, the websites you read. Try to find good ones for god's sake. I don't know how many countless sites I have visited with mindless philosophy, 4-year-old spelling and grammar, DBZ techniques (involving power levels and such), and bad instructions over all. Psipog.net is a fantastic site with good articles, albeit their opinions biased that energy is psi and ONLY psi. Bunch of numnuts. Practice as much as you research, but research WELL. I combined good websites with personal experience and some books to create my own personal philosophy, and as soon as I can get to learning HTML I'm gonna make a website that is WORTH reading.

Just remember this equation:
Positive thoughts = results + backed up positive thoughts = more results.

Negative thoughts (scepticism) = failure + backed up negativity = more failure.

If you still need help, add me to MSN or AIM. It's in my profile [:)]

-FT

sorry kyokushinka, ma'am. [:)]

ok, about the grounding: i may have been wrong. i just went to realmagick.com and searched for it and both articles i looked at on the site said that when grounding, you first gather up energy (they each said a specific type, but each article said a different type from the other), use it to cleanse your spirit, and THEN send the bad ju-ju's :P back into the earth.

i guess i forgot about the first part.

~kakkarot

Just curious, FatTurkey, but whose to say what's possible and what isn't?

And I also disagree about the wishful thinking. I had THOUGHT that I was sensing my Ki (energy - excuse me) but I really wasn't. When I finally did it, I knew that I was doing it.
Although I do think that negative attitudes DO hurt your chances of success with K..energy. Don't worry, you'll get it eventually.
And you've already had more success with a Ki ball than I have! [:P]

I've been trying for a while now, and I just can't seem to get anywhere, I don't know what I'm doing right or wrong, I'm totally lost, even though I've been researching energy manipulation alot.
I think I may have managed to create a weak ki ball once, and I may have powered up a little, but I can't tell, I think it's just all wishful thinking. I know that these things are possible, I mean I can sometimes be clairvoyant, I can do some pendulum dousing, and I just all out believe in it. But I'm just not sure I can do it.
When I created that one ki ball, or at least when I thought I did, my fingers and hands tingled and I may have seen kind of a translucent outline of it. I grounded myself before and after attempting it, using the rooting technique. The other day, after reading some of your posts, I tried to power up, and I could see a greenish inch-wide outline around myself, but maybe it was just an illusion?
I've done 2 styles of karate, goju ryu, soo bak do, and now I'm on my third which is kyokushin. I'm not saying I made it to black belt in all of those, but I'm definitely more advanced than the white belt I am at the moment.
I figured if I told you a little about myself you'd have some ideas to share with me, I would really appreciate any advice you have to give.
-Mera